NYT: Girl-Talk and "Throat-Slitting"

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Subject: NYT: Girl-Talk and Throat-Slitting

Date: Sep 11, 2008 6:35 AM

Nancy and Carolyn Martin, since each actually has no
friends, never stopped co-ruminating. Usually the topic
was your's truly. This is how the "throat-slitting" and all
the other 30+ insane allegations were invented for DCF by
Carolyn and Nancy Martin:
http://www.actionlyme.org/THROAT-SLITTING.htm

http://www.actionlyme.org/Hilarious.htm
At my father's wake, just after everyone left, Nancy
zoomed over to her mother, Carolyn, to inform Carolyn
of her conquest:
"Sharon was looking for infermashin. She's always
looking for infermashin. I didn't givver any."

Sharon (Trembicki) has Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and is
a patient of Dr. Bernard Raxlen's. This is also how
Nancy invented for herself that she has Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome, too. But Nancy never went to a doctor with this
self-diagnosis, and instead took a few years off work from
her employer (AETNA) so that she could go to Trinity
College in Hartford to become a professional gossip.

(She defrauded her employer. She was never sick.)

She, Nancy Martin, in all her thought-disordered pinheadedness
never told the DCF in all her false allegations that I was sick
with Lyme/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Nancy E. Martin, defrauded her employer about being sick
since no one we know has ever gotten cured from Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome, much less through "deep-breathing"
http://www.actionlyme.org/CAROLYN_VOSSLER_MARTIN.htm
as Nancy-the-pinhead claims.


Nancy has a thought-disorder, like my niece, who was also
raised by Carolyn Martin. The thought disorder is so severe,
the school counselors wanted to diagnose "Childhood Schizophrenia."

I intervened and declared that they could not diagnose
Childhood Schizophrenia in a child her has a learning disability
associated with Neurofibromatosis. Nancy Martin, however, has
never mentioned Neurofibromatosis, much less tried to help
anyone in the family who has it (3 of them).

So, that's the Professional Gossip story. We will hear
more about it at the DCF's little-boy penis-biter's trial:
http://www.actionlyme.org/andersonpenisbiter.htm
especially since DCF continued to harp that false allegation
in court, under oath, despite knowing Carolyn Martin invented
that very sick allegation, (throat slitting) in her very own sick
head.

We're also going to hear about how Nancy Martin took me to
Sam Donta's for the first time, in Boston, and how she
also took me to Jesse Stoff's office (where I learned
I had all the activated viruses, as you can see from the
data entered in the Penis-Biter's trial:
http://www.actionlyme.org/PENISBITERDOCS.htm
http://www.actionlyme.org/DCF_NANCY_MARTIN_BLOW_ME_OFF_1996.htm

We're going to hear all about that, so that some certain
psychotics and professional gossips spend a year in jail.

And guess what, in jail they can't talk to each other for
an hour on the phone everyday. Neither of them have any
real friends, and Carolyn has even taken to staring out the
front window at all the neighbors so that she can comment later
about how this one and that one "orders herself a pizza in
the middle of the day..."

!!!

"HMMPH!! How *dare* she order a pizza for herself in the
middle of the day! Does she think she's a queen or something!!??


LMAO

That's surely hurting for gossip-topics.



Kathleen M. Dickson
http://www.actionlyme.org

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September 11, 2008
Girl Talk Has Its Limits
By SARAH KERSHAW

MOST teenage girls love to talk to their friends. And talk. And talk.

As Debra Lee, the Brooklyn mother of a 13-year-old, observes about her
daughter
Tessa and Tessa’s teenage friends: “They just keep talking. All day.
On the phone
all night. Sometimes I think they just like to hear each other
breathe.”

Virginia Woolf said, “Some people go to priests; others to poetry; I
to my friends.”

Female friendship, in all its lovely layers and potentially dark
complexities, is
inexhaustible grist for film, television and literature — from
“Heathers” and “Mean
Girls” to “Thelma and Louise,” “Sex and the City,” “Gossip Girl” and
“Sisterhood
of the Traveling Pants.”

And who has time to keep up with all the falling ins and falling outs
of celebrity
BFF’s and Frenemies?

But recently female friendship and girl talk, particularly among
adolescents, has
drawn growing interest from psychologists and researchers examining
the question
of how much talking is too much talking. Some studies have found that
excessive
talking about problems can contribute to emotional difficulties,
including anxiety
and depression.

The term researchers use is “co-rumination” to describe frequently or
obsessively
discussing the same problem. The behavior is typical among teens — Why
didn’t he
call? Should I break up with him? And, psychologists say, it has
intensified significantly
with e-mail, text messaging, instant messaging and Facebook. And in
certain cases
it can spin into a potentially contagious and unhealthy emotional
angst, experts
say.

The research distinguishes between sharing or “self-disclosure,” which
is associated
with positive friendships and positive feelings, and dwelling on
problems, concerns
and frustrations. Dwelling and rehashing issues can keep girls, who
are more prone
to depression and anxiety than boys, stuck in negative thinking
patterns, psychologists
say. But they also say it is a mixed picture: friends who co-ruminate
tend to be
close, and those intimate relationships can build self-esteem.

For boys, such intense emotional conversations, which tend to occur
less often,
did not contribute to heightened anxiety or depressive moods,
according to research
by Amanda J. Rose, an assistant professor of psychological sciences at
the University
of Missouri, Columbia.

“When girls are talking about these problems, it probably feels good
to get that
level of support and validation,” said Dr. Rose, whose latest study on
co-rumination
was published in the journal Developmental Psychology last year. “But
they are not
putting two and two together, that actually this excessive talking can
make them
feel worse.”

Teenage girls are particularly vulnerable to co-ruminating — and
depression and
anxiety — because “there are so many stressors in adolescence and a
lot are ambiguous,”
Dr. Rose added. “So things like starting dating or starting serious
relationships
with boys, concerns about cliques, being popular — these very social
stressors,
they can be really hard to control and they really lend themselves to
rumination.”

Dr. Rose first published a paper on co-rumination in 2002, in the
journal Child
Development, and has, along with other psychologists, continued to
study it. In
her study published last year, she followed 813 third-, fifth-,
seventh- and ninth-grade
girls and boys over six months. Researchers at the State University at
Stony Brook
will soon publish another paper on co-rumination. Both studies confirm
Dr. Rose’s
earlier findings.

The relationships the experts looked at will certainly be familiar to
many teenagers
and parents.

Ms. Lee’s daughter Tessa Lee-Thomas said she sometimes felt worse
after talking
to friends about problems. “Sometimes we get into disagreements,” said
Tessa, who
lives in Prospect Heights, Brooklyn. “And we have to settle them. My
friends think
that my other friend did something wrong, but she didn’t do something
wrong. Sometimes
it makes the situation worse than where we were when we began. It
spiraled into
something bigger than it was.”

Patricia Letayf, a sophomore at Tufts University, said she tended to
overanalyze
situations and ask many different friends for advice about the same
problem, which
at times made her feel more anxious.

“It’s like you want to solve a problem whatever it may be, but the
advice of one
person never satisfies you and you’re constantly on the hunt for more
advice,” she
said. “I think a lot of times you are looking for empathy and you want
someone to
feel the way you do. You want your feelings to be justified. In the
end, I hope
to feel better. You want them to say, ‘It’s O.K. he dumped you, you
failed the test.’
You’re seeking reassurance.”

Ms. Letayf, 19, spent the summer as a camp counselor and said she
noticed that the
nine-year-old girls at the camp were already starting to obsess about
their problems
— talking about the boys at the camp and about conflicts between two
groups of girls.

“I could see it starting already,” she said, adding that she has made
a concerted
effort recently not to dwell on her own problems with friends and to
try to stop
negative thoughts. “From sixth grade, it’s boys are stupid, boys have
cooties,”
she said. “And then it progresses to boys have cooties but 20-year-old
cooties.
So you might as well change it when you can.”

Trish Gilbert, a Brooklyn mother of 11-year-old twins, a boy and a
girl, and a 16-year-old
daughter, said she worried sometimes about “kids giving kids advice.”

But she said she was pleased when her younger daughter, after feeling
mistreated
by a fifth-grade classmate last year, decided with some other friends
to do something
about it, rather than just ruminating. They consulted the American
Girl series book
“Friends: Making Them and Keeping Them,” which offers suggestions, for
example,
on how many chances to give a friend. The girls talked about
forgiveness and even
did some role-playing.

THE research into co-rumination has looked only at symptoms of
depression and anxiety
over short periods and has not established a basis for predicting long-
term negative
effects.

But a related mental hazard is what psychologists call “emotion
contagion” or “contagious
anxiety,” in which one person’s negative thoughts or anxiety can
affect another’s
mood, sometimes over a long period. Research has shown that people who
live with
others suffering from depression tend to become depressed themselves.
Teenage girls
who intentionally cut themselves are said to draw friends into the
behavior.

A great deal of research, including the work on co-rumination, has
shown the emotional
benefits of friendship, particularly in instances of physical bullying
among boys
or “relational aggression,” which is more common among girls and
typically characterized
by teasing, rejection or even emotional torture.

With co-rumination, psychologists studying it say, one way for
parents, and friends,
to avoid the negative consequences is to focus on problem-solving,
rather than on
problem-dwelling, much as Ms. Gilbert’s daughter and her friends did
in consulting
the American Girl book.

“It’s a fine line,” said Joanne Davila, associate professor of
psychology at the
State University at Stony Brook, whose paper on co-rumination is being
published
by the Journal of Adolescence. “We want to encourage young girls to
have friends
and to use their friends for support, but we may want to help them
learn how to
use more active techniques. So if there is a problem, how do you solve
it?”

Toby Sitnick, a Brooklyn psychologist who works with adolescent girls,
said therapists
had also tried to move away from focusing on problems to focusing on
good experiences
and solutions.

“There are quite a few adolescent girls who have high levels of
obsessive thinking
to begin with,” Dr. Sitnick said. “They often do this with their
mothers as well.
It certainly does seem to be a female behavior, and grown women do it,
too, ruminating
about certain issues and experiences. It can become a mutual complaint
society.”

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