Brushes are different
Bill Whelan
> I have played with all those settings, but the end result is still a
> circle or an oval. What I want is a line that has two or more colors in it.
Have you tried the impressionism clone tool?
I'm not sure what you want as an end result, though.
Love your work! :-)
Regards,
Bill
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Cricket
draw a mask in the basic size/shape you want. Then choose a brush tool and
go the property bar and you can select 'make nib from mask'.
Then you have your line.
Cricket
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:39289F98...@flash.net...
> Cricket, I have played with all those settings, but the end result is
still a
> circle or an oval. What I want is a line that has two or more colors in
it.
>
> Ruth
>
> Cricket wrote:
>
> > Open the Brushes docker (Ctrl-F8). You can use the visual control there
to
> > flatten the nib and that will get you closer to what you want I think.
Also
> > click on the words 'Nib properties' and 'stroke attributes' etc in the
> > docker to open up those settings and play around. You'll see under
'Stroke
> > attributes' that Hue, Saturation, and Lightness are set to 25 which
gives
> > the color variation you can see in the stroke. Play with the settings to
see
> > what you can do and how it changes the colors.
> >
> > If you find a combination you like, go up to the property bar and click
> > Brush options (the icon has a paint brush on it) and select 'Save
brush'.
> > Give it a name and it will be added to the drop down brush types under
(in
> > your case) Artistic Brush.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Cricket
> >
> > "Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
> > news:392868A0...@flash.net...
> > > I've recently upgraded from PhotoPaint 7 to PhotoPaint 9. I like to
use
> > > the Impressionist brush and in Paint 7 it is a solid line with more
than
> > > one color. In Paint 9 it is more like a Pointillism brush with a
series
> > > of circles of different colors. I am running Version 9.439. Has some
one
> > > got a fix for this? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Ruth
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ruth Huking
> > > Computer Artist
> > > http://www.flash.net/~rhuking/
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Ruth Huking
> Computer Artist
> http://www.flash.net/~rhuking/
>
>
Ruth Huking
I just reset my PhotoPaint 9 and my Impressionism brush is still the same. The JPG
that I sent was made by making the sample in PP 7 and pasting it in PP 9 as a new
object. Then I did the same with the sample in PP 9. I saved that file and made a JPG
out of it. I really don't understand what you mean by making a Clone. I need the whole
Impressionism tool from PP 7. Can you walk me through it?
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> > Thanks, Bill, Bill and Cricket. My Corel Capture isn't cooperating this morning
> > so I have made a JPG file to attach. This file is just the Impressionism brush
> > with nothing changed except the size. I think Corel just put in the Pointillism
> > brush instead of the Impressionism brush in PhotoPaint 9. I have tried to make a
> > custom brush by using the Quick Doodler but I still end up with the circles.
> > I've checked the Help file and I can't find anything there, but I could be
> > missing something.
>
> Hi Ruth,
> Are you sure you are selecting the Impressionism Clone Tool?
> I just tried it and it looks like your PP 7 attachment.
> If so, you might want to hold down F8 while starting PP 9
> and answer yes to restore factory default.
> Cricket is the expert here. . . I'll let her comment further. . . :-)
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> --
> (10) New "FREE" PHOTO-PAINT 9
> Scripts at Bill's Script Shop for
> English version only.
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/
>
> Bill's Script Shop Gallery
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/gallery.html
>
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Cricket
Impressionism brushes listed, but the second isn't any closer to what you
had in PP7.
I haven't used PP7 for a couple of years now so don't remember specifics,
but it looks like the method of laying down color has changed. In PP9 you
can modify the settings and brush nib but you won't be able to get exactly
the same effect in this case that you got in PP7.
From your attachment it looks like you could get parallel strokes of
different colors. In PP9 you will get a different color per dab. Your dabs
can be spaced and spread out but they won't paint in a sustained manner
meaning that as you move your brush, more dabs are laid down rather than
just painting in a sustained stroke.
If, however, this is what you want...different dabs of color laid down. Then
simply test different nibs and adjust the Dab Attributes and Nib Properties
from the Brushes docker until you see something you want to use.
BTW...I love your artwork.
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:3929838B...@flash.net...
Ruth Huking
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> Ruth Huking wrote:
>
> > I just reset my PhotoPaint 9 and my Impressionism brush is still the same. The JPG
> > that I sent was made by making the sample in PP 7 and pasting it in PP 9 as a new
> > object. Then I did the same with the sample in PP 9. I saved that file and made a JPG
> > out of it. I really don't understand what you mean by making a Clone. I need the whole
> > Impressionism tool from PP 7. Can you walk me through it?
>
> Hi Ruth,
> If the file below is what you are looking for, then from the Help Menu>Index
> type the word 'Clone' and read on. . .
> If this is not what you are looking for; I'll delete the capture shot
> below and hang my head in shame. <BG!> :-))
> Bill (hard head) Whelan
Ruth Huking
have Corel 7 loaded so I can "paint" my pictures there. I will just have to be
careful if and when I send a tutorial to Foster. I have nothing against Corel 9,
but I was very happy doing my thing in Corel 7!
Ruth
Cricket wrote:
> I have the same brush in PP9 that you have, Ruth. In fact there are two
> Impressionism brushes listed, but the second isn't any closer to what you
> had in PP7.
>
> I haven't used PP7 for a couple of years now so don't remember specifics,
> but it looks like the method of laying down color has changed. In PP9 you
> can modify the settings and brush nib but you won't be able to get exactly
> the same effect in this case that you got in PP7.
>
> From your attachment it looks like you could get parallel strokes of
> different colors. In PP9 you will get a different color per dab. Your dabs
> can be spaced and spread out but they won't paint in a sustained manner
> meaning that as you move your brush, more dabs are laid down rather than
> just painting in a sustained stroke.
>
> If, however, this is what you want...different dabs of color laid down. Then
> simply test different nibs and adjust the Dab Attributes and Nib Properties
> from the Brushes docker until you see something you want to use.
>
> BTW...I love your artwork.
>
> "Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:3929838B...@flash.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I just reset my PhotoPaint 9 and my Impressionism brush is still the same.
> The JPG
> > that I sent was made by making the sample in PP 7 and pasting it in PP 9
> as a new
> > object. Then I did the same with the sample in PP 9. I saved that file and
> made a JPG
> > out of it. I really don't understand what you mean by making a Clone. I
> need the whole
> > Impressionism tool from PP 7. Can you walk me through it?
> >
> > Ruth
Jerry Sanderson [C_Tech]
Too bad you didn't manage to get the image attached here, rather than
in Message-ID: <3929D9ED...@frontiernet.net>. ;)
Jerry
C_Tech Volunteer
Ruth Huking
what I send Foster in a Tutorial.
I thank all of you for your help with this problem. My wish for Corel 10 is to get back the Impressionism Brush from Corel 7. Does anyone know if it was also dropped in Corel 8?
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
>
> Worked this time! I must have hit the wrong send button.
> Sorry about that. . . :-)
> I can still create with 5 or 6 different nibs a stroke similar to
> the one you posted.
> Best regards,
> Bill
>
> --
> (10) New "FREE" PHOTO-PAINT 9
> Scripts at Bill's Script Shop for
> English version only.
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/
>
> Bill's Script Shop Gallery
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/gallery.html
>
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Bill Whelan
> so I have made a JPG file to attach. This file is just the Impressionism brush
> with nothing changed except the size. I think Corel just put in the Pointillism
> brush instead of the Impressionism brush in PhotoPaint 9. I have tried to make a
> custom brush by using the Quick Doodler but I still end up with the circles.
> I've checked the Help file and I can't find anything there, but I could be
> missing something.
Hi Ruth,
Are you sure you are selecting the Impressionism Clone Tool?
I just tried it and it looks like your PP 7 attachment.
If so, you might want to hold down F8 while starting PP 9
and answer yes to restore factory default.
Cricket is the expert here. . . I'll let her comment further. . . :-)
Regards,
Bill Whelan
> I just reset my PhotoPaint 9 and my Impressionism brush is still the same. The JPG
> that I sent was made by making the sample in PP 7 and pasting it in PP 9 as a new
> object. Then I did the same with the sample in PP 9. I saved that file and made a JPG
> out of it. I really don't understand what you mean by making a Clone. I need the whole
> Impressionism tool from PP 7. Can you walk me through it?
Hi Ruth,
If the file below is what you are looking for, then from the Help Menu>Index
type the word 'Clone' and read on. . .
If this is not what you are looking for; I'll delete the capture shot
below and hang my head in shame. <BG!> :-))
Bill (hard head) Whelan
--
Bill Whelan
> Your Capture doesn't work any better than mine!
Look down lower in this newsgroup. My Corel Capture 9
works very nicely. Somehow it didn't get posted in this thread.
Look below in this newsgroup. :-)
Bill
Bill Whelan
> [Image]
Worked this time! I must have hit the wrong send button.
Sorry about that. . . :-)
I can still create with 5 or 6 different nibs a stroke similar to
the one you posted.
Best regards,
Bill Whelan
> >Have you tried the impressionism clone tool?
>
> Too bad you didn't manage to get the image attached here, rather than
> in Message-ID: <3929D9ED...@frontiernet.net>. ;)
What can I say, Jerry,
Some of us are perfect. . . <g>
It's my new DSL connection at Frontier/World Global.
Lightening fast. . .
Ciao,
Bill Whelan
> I think we are talking about apples and oranges. I need the Impressionism Brush, not just to be able to clone something. I still have Corel 7 loaded so I will do my "painting" there and then be very careful
> what I send Foster in a Tutorial.
>
> I thank all of you for your help with this problem. My wish for Corel 10 is to get back the Impressionism Brush from Corel 7. Does anyone know if it was also dropped in Corel 8?
Ruth,
Send Foster D. Coburn some SNOW! If you can not find any, I have some
here in my freezer from his last trip to Corel Canada. ;-)
I was not sure what you were creating, and
thought you might be interested in the impressionism clone tool.
Do I have to remove my capture shot? <g>
Best regards,
Cricket
I think all the painting stuff was changed in version 8. Only because I find
verions 9's painting to be pretty much the same as version 8. I honestly
don't remember painting in version 7...I don't think I had it long enough
before 8 came out.
Cricket
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Cricket
important and sometimes it's just impossible to substitute something else
when you have something specific in mind.
Cricket
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks Cricket. You see what I see and I guess I have to live with it. I
still
Jerry Sanderson [C_Tech]
>Lightening fast. . .
<sniff> R0G255B0
Jerry
C_Tech Volunteer
Debbie Cook [C_TECH]
Green.
R 0
G 255
B 0
RGB ...
So, now are you R255G0B0 ? <BG>
--
Debbie Cook
============================
http://www.cedesign.com/cefx
Ruth Huking
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> > Green.
> >
> > R 0
> > G 255
> > B 0
> >
> > RGB ...
> >
> > So, now are you R255G0B0 ? <BG>
>
> You couldn't resist, could you!? <LOL>
> Feeling RGB in the face. . .
> Life's good,
> Bill
>
> --
> (10) New "FREE" PHOTO-PAINT 9
> Scripts at Bill's Script Shop for
> English version only.
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/
>
> Bill's Script Shop Gallery
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/gallery.html
>
> Cutting Edge F/X Gallery
> http://www.cedesign.com/cefx/gallery.html
--
K.N.Pepper
> If you all are so smart, how about making me a new Impressionism
> Brush!
Hey PI Bill,
Don't give her the brush-off. Give her the brush. This is your
chance to make a lasting impression.
Bristling with anticipation,
K.N.Pepper
Ruth Huking
Ruth
"K.N.Pepper" wrote:
--
Bill Whelan
Didn't mean to make you cry. <g>
What do those numbers and letters stand for (R0G255B0)?
Thank you,
Bill Whelan
>
> R 0
> G 255
> B 0
>
> RGB ...
>
> So, now are you R255G0B0 ? <BG>
You couldn't resist, could you!? <LOL>
Feeling RGB in the face. . .
Life's good,
Bill Whelan
> If you all are so smart, how about making me a new Impressionism Brush!
Hi Ruth,
Excellent idea! Actually I was thinking along those lines myself.
Now I'll have to install Photo-Paint 7, 'cause I can't remember
what it looked like. Give me a little time and I'll get back to you. . . :-)
Bill
-----------------
Bill Whelan
> Don't give her the brush-off. Give her the brush.
I'm going to try, but I'll have to reinstall PP 7 to
see what the melee looked liked. Perhaps I can use the PP 7
brush in PP 9!? <g>
I Paint with the Alchemy Tool, however.
Bill
Debbie Cook [C_TECH]
> as you did in PP 7. . .
Yeah, but can you do it on a blank canvas? ;-)
I'm afraid Ruth's Impressionist brush is severely broken in PP9.
Bill Whelan
> Yeah, but can you do it on a blank canvas? ;-)
And the same to you. . . :-)
NO!
You should see some of my artistic work created from PP 9
with artistic brushes. My granddaughter can do better
than me (she's only 3 years old). . . <g>
Thanks,
Bill Whelan
> Yeah, but can you do it on a blank canvas? ;-)
I was showing a friend how to set the time zone for a Win 2K SP installation,
and forgot to set set things back to my time zone. I don't use the SPs anymore,
but surely I do know how to mess things up.
Jerry, where were you when I needed you!? <g>
Ruth Huking
who would like to see how I use the Impressionism brush look at
http://home.flash.net/~rhuking/helensrd.htm I couldn't do that again in
PhotoPaint 9.
"Debbie Cook [C_TECH]" wrote:
> > As I said before, I _can_ create the same in PP 9
> > as you did in PP 7. . .
>
> Yeah, but can you do it on a blank canvas? ;-)
>
> I'm afraid Ruth's Impressionist brush is severely broken in PP9.
>
> --
> Debbie Cook
> ============================
> http://www.cedesign.com/cefx
--
Cricket
I tried for a long time to recreate what you had in PP7, but as I mentioned
earlier, the way Photopaint 9 paints is totally different and the exact same
thing can't be duplicated.
BTW...you *can* play around with nibs and settings and get some interesting
brushes though.
Cricket
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Ruth Huking
"style" a little bit!
It's unbelievable the help I have gotten with my problem. Thanks again to all of
you.
Ruth
Jerry Sanderson [C_Tech]
At the donut shop, where else? ;)
Jerry
C_Tech Volunteer
Bill Whelan
> >Jerry, where were you when I needed you!? <g>
>
> At the donut shop, where else? ;)
Yummy! Donuts sound good this morning.
Think I'll head there myself for a bakers dozen. <g>
Thank you,
Bill (PP9) Whelan
Bill Whelan
> I'm afraid Ruth's Impressionist brush is severely broken in PP9.
Do you know how Ruth might fix her Impressionism Strokes in PP 9?
This screen shot Ruth displayed is not one I can duplicate here.
Looks like she used a Pointillism Stroke. . .
I will remove my Corel Capture Shot posted below, at the end of the day.
Thank you,
Bill
Ruth Huking
sample. I agree, the second one does look like the Pointillism brush, but it
isn't. Did you try the Impressionism brush in both versions of Paint? I need
to start from scratch with the Impressionism brush, not clone something. I
adjust the numbers when I "paint" with the brush but the samples are Corel's
defaults.
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
--
Bill Whelan
> Bill, I really did use the Impressionism brush with both the strokes in my
> sample. I agree, the second one does look like the Pointillism brush, but it
> isn't. Did you try the Impressionism brush in both versions of Paint? I need
> to start from scratch with the Impressionism brush, not clone something. I
> adjust the numbers when I "paint" with the brush but the samples are Corel's
> defaults.
Hi Ruth,
WOW! I am truly confused. :))
Where did you get the Impressionism brush? I used the Impressionism
Clone with the default brush settings and a big glob of paint on another
background I call my palette.
No laughing, Debbie Cook. <BG>
I know there are some factory default brushes with numbers on them.
Sometimes I use them. I don't know the names of them, though.
Then to confuse myself more, I know there is an Impressionist Filter
in PP 7, 8 and 9. <g>
If you can point me to the Brush you are talking about in PP 7,
I'll be the better for it. <grin>
=============INFO============================
The Impressionist filter gives your image the look of an impressionist
painting by converting your image to dabs of solid color.
The higher the values you determine with the
Horizontal and Vertical sliders, the greater the
blurring of the original image
Clone tool
PP7
Found on the Toolbox and the Clone Tools toolbar.
Use to duplicate part of an image and apply it to
another part of the image or to another image altogether.
The Property Bar and Tool Settings Roll-Up provide specialized
cloning brushes that create a duplicate in the pointillist style (dots)
and impressionist style (lines).
You can achieve different effects by customizing the brush
you use to apply the effect.
=============INFO============================
I probably wouldn't be so darned confused if I painted with
brushes more often. This is not one of my strengths. . .
Again, below is capture shots from PP 9. . .
Will you help me better understand? :-)
Regards,
Cricket
(from all the icons) the last one. It's called the 'Artistic Brush' and
under the pulldown menu you'll find the 'impressionism' brush.
Thanks for telling us your method of cloning...wow. That sounds really
useful. I'm going to try that myself!
Cricket
"Bill Whelan" <le...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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Bill Whelan
> Bill...click the paint tool. Then click the icon on the toolbar and select
> (from all the icons) the last one. It's called the 'Artistic Brush' and
> under the pulldown menu you'll find the 'impressionism' brush.
>
> Thanks for telling us your method of cloning...wow. That sounds really
> useful. I'm going to try that myself!
Thank you, Cricket,
Now I remember that sucker, I used to use the Op Art brush in PP 7. .
The Impressionism Brush seems to be broken in PP 9.
_Anybody have a workaround for Ruth from PP 9?
I'm getting an education here, and it's for FREE.
Sorry for putting you through the hoops, but you understand. :-)
Best regards,
Bill Whelan
> Will you help me better understand? :-)
> Regards,
I pulled the Capture shots. They were not necessary.
Thanks,
Ruth Huking
is smoking! If someone can make me an Impressionism Brush like the one in Corel
7 I will be very grateful. Just be sure to give me instructions on how to get it
into Corel 9. Just for the record, it's the first Impressionism Brush that is
listed. The other two are fine.
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> Cricket wrote:
>
> > Bill...click the paint tool. Then click the icon on the toolbar and select
> > (from all the icons) the last one. It's called the 'Artistic Brush' and
> > under the pulldown menu you'll find the 'impressionism' brush.
> >
> > Thanks for telling us your method of cloning...wow. That sounds really
> > useful. I'm going to try that myself!
>
> Thank you, Cricket,
> Now I remember that sucker, I used to use the Op Art brush in PP 7. .
> The Impressionism Brush seems to be broken in PP 9.
>
> _Anybody have a workaround for Ruth from PP 9?
>
> I'm getting an education here, and it's for FREE.
> Sorry for putting you through the hoops, but you understand. :-)
> Best regards,
> Bill
>
> --
> (10) New "FREE" PHOTO-PAINT 9
> Scripts at Bill's Script Shop for
> English version only.
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/
>
> Bill's Script Shop Gallery
> http://www.unleash.com/billw/gallery.html
>
> Cutting Edge F/X Gallery
> http://www.cedesign.com/cefx/gallery.html
--
Bill Whelan
> If someone can make me an Impressionism Brush like the one in Corel
> 7 I will be very grateful. Just be sure to give me instructions on how to get it
> into Corel 9. Just for the record, it's the first Impressionism Brush that is
> listed.
Hi Ruth,
I think it's broken badly, very badly. . .
I've been driving myself crazy trying to figure out why. . .
I found the .msk and .nib, and even changed the Artistic Brush .ini
to PP 7's. . . No dice. . . The .nib is Okay but I suspect like PP 8
it's somewhere in the total PP9 configuration. I have the brush settings, but
I don't know if I can create a mask to match. Even if I could, I
don't think it would work.
Apparently Debbie knows and that's what she meant by saying,
<<I'm afraid Ruth's Impressionist brush is severely broken in PP9.>>
Sorry for all the hoopla over this. If there is a way for one to create
a brush to save the day; I think it would have been posted here in this thread.
Sorry to disappoint you, but that's the way things go these days in the
world of software. May I recommend PP 7 for this task?
The very best to you,
Cricket
No, I cannot create the brush you need BUT I think you can use this
workaround. It's a bit of a pain at first, but once set up it works great.
The idea is to use the Impressionism clone for the strokes.
Are you ready? Roll up your sleeves.
Have the image you want to paint on open.
Make a new image the SAME dimensions as the image you are working on.
Choose a paint color that you want for the general 'base' color of the
stroke. We can change this later.
Select the Fill bucket and click in the new image. This will fill it with
the base color.
Select the Clone tool and select the Impressionist Clone.
Open the INFO docker (pain pain pain)
CTRL-click in the new image. Doesn't matter where.
From now on, you can RIGHT-click to move the source point.
Look at the info docker and get your point to x=0, y=0 and right-click in
the new image. (It may take a couple of tries to get it exact)
Now click on the title bar of your working image and while looking at the
Info docker, left click at X=0, Y=0. UNDO this stroke.
You are now all set up to paint with an impressionist brush.
As usual, if you want to change nib or size or anything else you can do it
with the settings on the brushes docker.
When you want a different color set, just select a new paint color. Click in
the title bar of the PLAIN image (the one we're cloning FROM) to make it
active, go to the Fill tool and fill with the Paint color. Then continue to
paint in your painting. No need to reset the source point.
Cricket
"Ruth Huking" <rhu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> We are all getting an education here! I'll never remember it all and my
printer
> is smoking! If someone can make me an Impressionism Brush like the one in
Corel
> 7 I will be very grateful. Just be sure to give me instructions on how to
get it
> into Corel 9. Just for the record, it's the first Impressionism Brush that
is
Ruth Huking
Cricket's instructions and see what I come up with using the Impressionism Clone tool.
As I told Cricket, I still have Corel 7 loaded so I can go back and paint in there.
Thanks again for all the effort.
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
> Ruth Huking wrote:
>
> > If someone can make me an Impressionism Brush like the one in Corel
> > 7 I will be very grateful. Just be sure to give me instructions on how to get it
> > into Corel 9. Just for the record, it's the first Impressionism Brush that is
> > listed.
>
--
Ruth Huking
instructions look very clear. I'll get back with the results.
Ruth
Cricket wrote:
> > is smoking! If someone can make me an Impressionism Brush like the one in
> Corel
> > 7 I will be very grateful. Just be sure to give me instructions on how to
> get it
> > into Corel 9. Just for the record, it's the first Impressionism Brush that
> is
> > listed. The other two are fine.
> >
> > Ruth
> >
--
Bill Whelan
> Bill, don't apologize! All of you have bent over backwards to help me. I will try
> Cricket's instructions and see what I come up with using the Impressionism Clone tool.
> As I told Cricket, I still have Corel 7 loaded so I can go back and paint in there.
> Thanks again for all the effort.
You're welcome, Ruth,
I just looked up (for the first time) the word brush in the dictionary and
suddenly realized I have a long way to go. <grin>
Part of trying to help out here is, compassion plays a role with me, and
after all, we are not computers/machines, but rather we are all artists
in our own world trying very hard to overcome. . .
Hope to see more of your articles at unleash.com soon. :-)
Ruth Huking
Ruth
Bill Whelan wrote:
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Bill Whelan
> You will, if I can get unleashed from this News Group!
Now that's really cool! :-)
You're Okay, Ruth,