Painter 7 vs Photopaint
Socrates
Hi - are there any good reasons for using Corel painter 7 instead of
photopaint?
Am I right in thinking that painter 7 incorporates all the functions and
versatility of photopaint?
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Mosh (Capitán Flamita)
I have only a minor overview on Painter 7, because I have recently acquired
it. Seems to me Painter replicates in a wonderful way traditional artistic
media. PP only takes a medium approach at this. In Painter, you can choose
among different styles of paper, brush hairs, quantity and density of the
ink in the brushes, etc. I think although they have mainframe similarities,
Painter is focused on graphic artists and PP on graphic designers. (I hope
this statement doesn't hurt any feelings). Painter has got some amazing
features of its own.
Mosh
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And Painter works greatly with pen tablets. Ahhh, it's such a nice horizon
tu explore...
K.N.Pepper
Hello Mosh,
First and foremost, let me tell you that Diablito is a fine bit
of work. Very nice strokes and form. Clearly you're a classically
trained artist. However, I do not recall posing for you. See my
self-portrait (if you haven't seen it already) at:
http://corelchat.freeservers.com/Self-portrait.jpg
(I hope David Strutt and David Mutch notice this conversation.)
> Painter is focused on graphic artists and PP on graphic
> designers. (I hope this statement doesn't hurt any feelings).
No one should be offended. I make a very clear distinction
between those who create the clipart and those who arrange it
beautifully to form a beautiful ad or web page (Horticulture vs.
Floral Arrangement). I'm always on the lookout for the most
current titles. 10 years ago, the one who could Draw, Paint,
Sculpt, and Calligraph (new verb) was called an Illustrator or
Commercial Artist. The one who arranged this other person's work,
adding text, photographs, and other existing elements was called
a Graphic Artist. I believe this is the usage today. In my naive
days I was shocked to discover that graduate graphic artists
could not draw or paint. (I was equally shocked to find that
physicists could not design an electronic circuit.) Yet GA's were
superb at composition, page layout, etc. and certainly were the
*experts* in commercial reproduction. For illustrations one had
to go to graduates of fine arts who couldn't find patrons, didn't
make it into the galleries, or couldn't get government grants to
subsist. They sneered at commercialism, but took on the
assignment. But they sure as heck were the only ones skilled at
DPSC (the four Rs of art school).
As in everything there is a hierarchy:
Heart surgeon...General Practitioner...Graduate Nurse
Engineer...Technologist...Technician
So it is in our field as well.
CD and PP are clearly made for, and largely used by Graphic
Artists (my usage of the term). There are of course notable
exceptions.
Ah, how about: Renditional Artists and Compositional Designers.
Graphite? Nah, forget it.
Regards,
KNPepper
(To respond privately, remove the "Extra" stuff from my address.)
Mosh (Capitán Flamita)
Hello Pepper
I am a mostly self-taught "artist", and was glad to receive that comment.
But I'm intrigued. You say I had a classical training; I'd like to know what
would the other kind(s) of training be. I am disconnected from art schools,
so it would be a useful thing for me to know.
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Look at it this way, Mosh ... I have been accused of having a "classical"
education because I finished high school in the late 60's ... I guess that
is a contemporary assessment of the educational system today. Fortunately,
my "classical" period never hurt me none.
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Painter
of the best artists of our time made commercial art their vocation and fine
art their avocation. Bob Bateman was my art teacher in school ... most of
the Group of Seven were commercial artists and so was Toulouse-Lautrec. Even
Michelangelo was forced to paint ceilings rather than sculpt to earn a
living. I prefer the private works of commercial artists over most of the
"fine" crap I see out there.
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K.N.Pepper
Mosh wrote:
> You say I had a classical training; I'd like to know what
> would the other kind(s) of training be.
The "other" is a large set. So your question is more easily
answered by saying that anything that is not along the following
lines is the "other".
o----------------o
A classical program in Fine Arts would typically consist of:
(1) Three to four year program in a university or academy leading
to a degree.
(2) Stringent entrance requirements (must demonstrate natural
ability)
(3) Curriculum consists of Drawing, Painting, Sculpting,
Calligraphy, Studio practice
- Extensive treatment of geometry and perspective theory
- Light play, Contrast, Colour theory and colour interplay
- Composition
- Anatomy
- Minor options: Art history, Architectural history, Basic
Photography, Casting and moulding
On completion the individual is competent in:
- Still life, Portraiture, Human studies, Animals studies,
Landscapes
- Media: Pen, Pencil, Charcoal, Wash, Oils, Acrylics, clay, wood,
marble, Plaster of Paris, limited print techniques, etc., etc.,
etc.
o----------------o
Briefly, the "other" is a shorter program. The entrance
requirements are less demanding. (Generally, no prerequisites.)
It is vocational. Its focus is dictated by industry and generally
consists of computer aided design (read Adobe products),
composition, typesetting, colour separation, commercial printing
techniques, basic photography, etc.
o----------------o
As an aside, I'll mention the renowned Sheridan College, known
for producing the world's finest animators. This is by all
definitions a vocational school. I peeked into what the students
do in the first year. All hand drawings on a flip pad! Despite
cutting-edge technology, they are classicists. Disney Studios,
Warner Brothers, Industrial Light and Magic, and others can't get
enough of their grads.
Best regards,
K.N.Pepper
> Bob Bateman was my art teacher in school ...
I hate you!
> I prefer the private works of commercial artists over
> most of the "fine" crap I see out there.
You mean you disapprove of our Govt's decision to pay X millions
for the infamous red stripe?
Painter
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> You mean you disapprove of our Govt's decision to pay X millions
> for the infamous red stripe?
Was going to mention that but I figure having a Prime Minister like Cretien
is embarrassment enough for one country.