Painter 8 watercolors G5 or pentium4?
Ivan Vazquez
Hi, I need a new computer because I´m a pentium III owner, and watercolors
and digital watercolors of painter8 doesn´t work at all.
Is there any G5 or pentium 4 owner who works with watercolors at real time
with images of 300Mb or +?
does anybody knows which is the computer who can do this?
Many thanks.
Bernd Ertl
Hi,
my rough guess is that there simply isn't a computer out there that can
handle such files.
Also, do you mean Painter 7 or 8 (6) watercolours?
My machine here can easily handle A3 formats at 300 dpi, and thats enough
even for a 24 sheet billboard.
And why do you need such huge formats?
Bernd
>
> Hi, I need a new computer because I惴 a pentium III owner, and watercolors
> and digital watercolors of painter8 doesn愒 work at all.
Ivan Vazquez
Hi Bernd,
thanks for your answer. (sorry for my english)
Normally I´m working with Photoshop 7 with A4 or A3 formats at 300dpi and
easily images takes up 300 Mb or plus with all layers,
but now I´m working with painter 8 digital watercolors, because I´m
colouring SnowWhite´s and Lilo & Stitch books and they want a watercolor
look.
I need all layers for possible corrections ´cos later It´s easier for me to
correct them individually.
If your machine can handle it, I think I need one like it. My pc is now
outdated,I´m fed up of making a brush stroke and sand clock appears.
My doubt is if it´s worthy to buy a super expensive G5 or a cheaper pentium
4 or equivalent Amd.
I don´t mind to expend money if it really works to buy a G5 and there´s a
big difference between it and a pc,
I only need to work making a brush stroke at "real time" with that huge
images with any painter 8 brush.
What can I do?
Many thanks Bernd.
"Bernd Ertl" <er...@ausgezeichnet.com> escribió en el mensaje
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>
> Hi,
> my rough guess is that there simply isn't a computer out there that can
> handle such files.
> Also, do you mean Painter 7 or 8 (6) watercolours?
> My machine here can easily handle A3 formats at 300 dpi, and thats enough
> even for a 24 sheet billboard.
> And why do you need such huge formats?
> Bernd
> >
> > Hi, I need a new computer because I´m a pentium III owner, and
watercolors
> > and digital watercolors of painter8 doesn´t work at all.
Bernd Ertl
>
> Hi Bernd,
Hi Ivan,
>
> thanks for your answer. (sorry for my english)
not to worry, I'm not a native speaker either!
>
> Normally I´m working with Photoshop 7 with A4 or A3 formats at 300dpi and
> easily images takes up 300 Mb or plus with all layers,
Okay, got you...
How many layers?
>
> but now I´m working with painter 8 digital watercolors, because I´m
> colouring SnowWhite´s and Lilo & Stitch books and they want a watercolor
> look.
Well, I got ^Painter 8.1 aswell as 7.1 and 6.1.
I must "confess" that I am still working with 6.1.
Sure, it' s faulty, crashes at times and all, but essentially it "feels"
faster than 8.
Have you tried 6.1's water colour tools?
In 8 there is a huge difference between the "water colour" and "digital
water colour" (the latter being close to 6.1 watercolours), the "water
colour" ones are similar to vPainter 7 ones, and those were rather
disappointing, because simply too slow to work with.
By the way, those jobs sound interesting, who commissioned you on those?
> I need all layers for possible corrections ´cos later It´s easier for me
to
> correct them individually.
>
> If your machine can handle it, I think I need one like it. My pc is now
> outdated,I´m fed up of making a brush stroke and sand clock appears.
Well, I got a 2GHz 2GB Pentium4 here, and I must say that speed is not a
problem, really.
It depends on what you want to produce, I guess.
I try to avoid multiple layer documents in Painter.
If you save as riff in Painter, you can always change colours later on, and
the original scan will remain unaffected.
> My doubt is if it´s worthy to buy a super expensive G5 or a cheaper
pentium
> 4 or equivalent Amd.
>
> I don´t mind to expend money if it really works to buy a G5 and there´s a
> big difference between it and a pc,
Well, Personally, I think that Apple only caught up to PC speeds, they might
be slightly faster with some filters in Photoshop, but essentially I believe
that PCs are still faster.
You can get a top of the range DELL 3.2 Ghz machine for around 2,300.- Euros
or so and the G5 would cost at least 4,000.- Euros to get a similar machine.
So if money is a consideration, go for the PC.
> I only need to work making a brush stroke at "real time" with that huge
> images with any painter 8 brush.
>
> What can I do?
Hard to say, ideally, go to a computer shop, ask if you can try the
machines. It's best to try what you specifially need. In fact you might find
that even the fastest computers still can not do what you want to do.
best,
Bernd
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Michael Clarke
Bernd Ertl wrote:
>>
>>I don´t mind to expend money if it really works to buy a G5 and there´s a
>>big difference between it and a pc,
>
>
> Well, Personally, I think that Apple only caught up to PC speeds, they might
> be slightly faster with some filters in Photoshop, but essentially I believe
> that PCs are still faster.
> You can get a top of the range DELL 3.2 Ghz machine for around 2,300.- Euros
> or so and the G5 would cost at least 4,000.- Euros to get a similar machine.
> So if money is a consideration, go for the PC.
Bear in mind that a fully tricked out G5 should leave most PCs for dead
and has some rather impressive upgrade options. You'll have to spend
some money to get it though. The internal bus structures are closer to
a mainframe than a desktop system, with separate 1GHz buses for most
purposes and the ability to support multiple 2-3GHz processors. For
comparison, my 2.8 Ghz AMD box only runs a single, shared, 300Mhz
external bus. Means the G5 can move data around inside the box abut 3
times as fast and it can do it in parallel. Intel PCs have faster
busses, but they are still shared and only up to about 800Mhz.
Personally I'm happy with the performance of my system, but I'm not a
pro and my objections to the new style water colours are astetic as well
as speed based. Note that my system was placed at the cusp of the price
performance curve, where you have to spend a lot more money to get a
little more function, but a bit less money will get you a lot less
function. It changes week by week, but it's a good place to buy a system.
Mik
Ivan Vazquez
Many thanks Mik, (excuse my poor english)
I feel lucky that you explained this to me, because I have no idea about
speeds of compuers, buses, Ghz´s. I only know to run Photoshop and
Painter,and I´m a very big ignorant of the thecnical specs of computers.
Well I know with a higher "number" of ram or bus, etc, it´ll be faster.
What do you think about that a diference of 1700 Euros between G5 and Dell
3.2 Ghz. Is it fair? Can I recoup that difference of cost working with it?
Ivan.
"Michael Clarke" <myk...@ellenbrook.net> escribió en el mensaje
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ghi
ivan
basically you are asking if there is a system available that will make
Painter water color brushes work in real time... short answer is no. a
new pentium 4 machine with more, and faster ram, will prove to be a
better performer than what you have now. the G5 is essentially to the
level of the 3 ghz dual xeon. Apple was only boasting that their system
was more efficiently engineered, claiming the ghz difference was moot.
OsX still needs to be worked on but at least with macs the gui is not
taking up main cpu clock cycles, giving it a slight edge over windows.
painter is not dual processor aware either. the AMD 64 is suppose to be
a great performer, utilizing the same HyperTransport Apple uses. Athlon
64 rivals any top end Intel. but it is close to the price of a Mac.
painter is a slow program. the watercolor brushes introduced in version
7 are animations. not only that but i'm not sure if any effort is put
into coding painter with any optimizations to make it work faster. it
pretty much is dependant on raw processor power. in future painter might
be recompiled for 64 bit, which won't happen for years to come. both IBM
and Intel will be coming out with 90nm processors soon and with it speed
increases. Intel will also be introducing fast buses also.
i checked out a couple of sites where the artists used Painter 7 to do
very large image files ( up to 1 gig working files!) for murals and
large giclees. they both used PCs with the maximum RAM (4GB) and fast
SCSI drives. try that.
have fun!
ghi~