new to painter, have some q's
Tricia Huerta
probably simple but hey i'm gonna ask anyway. I have a design of a
character i created, theni took another canvas and painted water color, just
a scribble single stroke, then brought the character onto that convas and to
my delight the paint went through so that you could see the character like a
transparent image. Now i was wondering...since the watercolor likes to stay
pastel, if this transparent affect could be achieved with the other brushes
such as oil, and if so how? I tried it, bringing the image over onto an oil
scribble, but you could see the character, solid white, with the edges
showing from a sloppy cut out. I don't even think i am explaining this
well. if someone thinks they know what i'm talking about, but wants to see
the pic to see what i mean, e-mail me and i will send it to u. Thank you
ever so much, i can see this group is going to help me tremendously!
~Trish
tjup...@earthlink.net
ron cavedaschi
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're immediate problem is but I'm
sure Jinny will respond and sort it out for you. My contribution is if in
future you draw your character on a layer you will not need to cut it out of
the background as the area not drawn on will remain transparent. If then you
make your coloured scribbled stroke using any media on another layer it
gives you two options.
One put the layer with the character over the layer with the stroke and you
will have the character set against the background as I think you want. Or
you put the 'stroke' layer over the character and reduce the opacity of the
'stroke' layer the 'stroke' will become transparent revealing the character
beneath.
Ugh oh just realised this depends on what version of painter you are using.
Still, I hope it helps
Ron Cavedaschi
"Tricia Huerta" <tjup...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3c553da2_2@cnews...
Jinny Brown
I'll be happy to help, but first I'll need to know a few things since
the same instructions won't apply to all three versons, Painter 5, 6,
and 7.
Please write to me at jinb...@pixelalley.com with the following
information and other information based on the comments inserted below:
Painter version number:
Painter 5.0, 5.0.1, or 5.0.3 (the latest patch)
Painter 6.0.1, 6.0.3, or 6.1 (the latest patch)
Painter 7.0 or Painter 7.1.357 (the only patch/update so far)
Is your design of the character done in black and white? In other words,
is it black and white line art?
I've inserted some additional comments in appropriate locations in your
message, below....
Tricia Huerta wrote:
<SNIP>
> I have a design of a character i created, theni took another canvas
> and painted water color, just a scribble single stroke, then brought
> the character onto that convas and to my delight the paint went through
> so that you could see the character like a transparent image.
If your character was black line work on a light background, when that
image was pasted over the Water Color brush stroke on a Layer (or
Floater if you're using Painter 5.5 or earlier), the Layer (Floater) was
probably set to a Composite Method that causes the white background to
be transparent, i.e., Gel or Multiply.
> Now i was wondering...since the watercolor likes to stay
> pastel, .....
Since the Painter 7 Water Color technology is completely new and
different from earlier Painter versions, this is one of the reasons it's
important to know which version you're using. As you'll see in the
images on these two pages on my website, Water Colors in Painter 7 don't
have to be only pastel:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
http://www.pixelalley.com/Painter7/painter7-water-color-brushes.html
As a matter of fact, Water Color brush strokes in earlier versions of
Painter don't need to be pastel either. The methods for making Water
Color brush strokes do what you want vary somewhat with the particular
Brush Variant and the Painter version, though.
> ... if this transparent affect could be achieved with the other brushes
> such as oil, and if so how?
Yes, there are a couple of ways (at least) to have white areas of black
and white line art appear transparent above any brush stroke that paints
color on either the Canvas or a Layer below the line art.
One is to set the black and white line art Layer to Composite Method Gel
or Multiply.
Another is to make a clean selection of the black line art and lift it
to a Layer above the painted Canvas or other Layer. Making a clean
selection depends a lot on the line work quality, how dense the lines
are, if they're broken or not, etc. Some of this can be adjusted even if
the line work quality is not so good to begin with.
> I tried it, bringing the image over onto an oil
> scribble, but you could see the character, solid white, with the edges
> showing from a sloppy cut out.
It sounds as if you only "cut out" the white areas around the black line
work but not the white areas that were enclosed by black lines. I'm just
guessing here, since there's not enough information in your message to
be sure.
When you write to me, try to be specific about the things I've mentioned
above. If your character was not black and white line art, please
explain it with as much detail as you can. I won't need to see the image
if you can do that. If you don't think you can, please post the image on
a Web page and send me the URL since I don't open attachments to e-mail.
Jinny Brown
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see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
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http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
______________________________________
Karen Sperling
like to know the answers!
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In article <3c55ae2f$1_1@cnews>, Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Jinny Brown
That's OK with me. If you have some answers to Tricia's questions, and
no doubt you have a lot of good ones, please share them with the
newsgroup too. Your experience with Painter is valuable to all of us.
Thanks, and have a great day! :o)
Jinny Brown
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see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
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______________________________________
Karen Sperling
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In article <3c55c91f$1_1@cnews>, Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com>
Jinny Brown
goofy.. then everyone has a good laugh. At least the person knows
someone's listening.
Besides, answering Painter questions is partly being a detective, isn't
it?
Jinny
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Tricia Huerta
little more:
the version of painter I have seems to be Classic.
When I open the program, it says Corel painter Classic. I searched for any
numbers, but could not find any, so i figured that must be the version. i
can tell from your response that i am going to have a lot of fun with this
program though! My drawing is a color drawing of a rugby player, rather
sketchy, not solid. I was taking it from its original window, cutting it
out with the lasso tool and then dragging and dropping it into a window with
a scribble of water color. Once i clicked off the image, to deselect (drop
image) you could see the water color through the drawing, as though it had
been drawn directly on to the watercolor scribble. i liked this effect.
While i scan through your post, i see that u answered my question,
basically, and i do believe i am going to fool around with this program a
bit, I think the composite method transparencey was the key. But thank
you for your detail reply!
here is the URL for the pic:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/rugbyfine.gif
the water color in the bg is what i want to change, i was thinking to oil or
something, just to try it out. but when i would try a different medium it
would come out like this:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/rugbyno.JPG
see how the paint can not be seen through him?
Also, is there a better way to tranfer one image to another than
painstakingly cutting it out with the lasso, being careful to go as close to
the drawing as possible? lol. as u can see in the pic, i was doing a quick
cut out to use as an example. I think the transparency is what i needed, as
u had said before, jinny.
Ok guys and gals, i hope this was enough info. If not, give me a holler and
i don't mind sending more. on a side note, this image was scrapped for the
rugby commission, i drew another, more aggressive design instead. But I am
still interested in the answer to this question for future reference. I am
young (16), and have a while to go before i know all the bells and whistles
of this program. Thank you all!
~Trish
"Karen Sperling" <arti...@artnet.net> wrote in message
news:3c55b3b7$1_2@cnews...
Jinny Brown
Painter Classic is an appetizer to get people interested in using full
Painter versions. It's based on Painter 5, which is a full Painter
version, but three versions behind the current Painter 7. Since Painter
5, we've had Painter 5.5, 6, and now Painter 7.
Though Painter Classic offers some very nice Painter brushes, and has
the Cloning feature, it doesn't offer fully functioning Floaters and
Transparent Layers that were in the full Painter 5 software. Though you
can create a single Floater in Painter Classic, by making a Selection
then clicking inside that Selection with the Adjuster tool, and you can
also move that Floater, the moment you click either the Canvas or
another tool, the Floater drops to the Canvas and can't be moved again.
Starting with Painter 6, Floaters and Transparent Layers no longer
exist. They are replaced with Layers that are automatically transparent
until filled with color or paint is applied. Wherever they are not
filled with color or paint has not been applied, they remain
transparent. This is with one exception: If a Layer is created by
selecting the entire Canvas, then clicking inside the selection with the
Layer Adjuster tool to lift the Canvas to a Layer, the entire Layer will
be opaque. Wherever other color was not applied, the Layer is the color
of the original blank Canvas.
Now back to Painter Classic:
Painter Classic is limited in the ways it allows you to make Selections,
along with its other limitations. If you want to have more control over
your artwork, learn how to use the Clone Painting capabilities in
Painter Classic. Open the Pclassic.pdf file on your CD, the Painter
Classic User Guide. Read through the chapters, then focus on the one
named "Cloning and Tracing". If there is something you don't understand,
go back to the Painter Classic User Guide and look through it to see if
there is information on that subject. You may be able to find it by
using Edit menu, Find, then typing in key words and clicking the Find
button.
There are tutorials in the Painter Classic User Guide's chapters, so be
sure to look carefully for them and read that chapter first, so you'll
understand the tutorial.
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
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Jinny Brown
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
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Jinny Brown
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
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Jinny Brown
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
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Jinny Brown
I forgot to mention that I'm getting a Yahoo! page that says "This page
is not available" for each of your URLs.
Jinny Brown
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or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
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Tricia Huerta wrote:
<SNIP>
> here is the URL for the pic:
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/rugbyfine.gif
> the water color in the bg is what i want to change, i was thinking to oil or
> something, just to try it out. but when i would try a different medium it
> would come out like this:
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/rugbyno.JPG
> see how the paint can not be seen through him?
<SNIP>
Jinny Brown
Good luck,
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
______________________________________
Jinny Brown
five times! I am almost afraid to send this one lest the same thing
happen again.
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions:
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______________________________________
Tricia Huerta wrote:
>
> Ok, guys, i am going to post what i have just sent off to Jinny, plus a
> little more:
> the version of painter I have seems to be Classic.
<SNIP>
Mike C
Tricia Huerta wrote:
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/rugbyfine.gif
Just so you are aware... GeoCities does not allow people to
directly access a graphic without first going to your site.
People must first go to the
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/ part of the address
and then access the picture from there, by plugging in the last
part of the link.
1 step = http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/7798/
2 step = adding the rugbyfine.gif to the end.
You might consider this when you give links next time.
":^) ®
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