The patch for 5.5
Diane Fields
version with my Jungle 3D (and am having problems getting the nozzle
libraries to load--I've uninstalled and am going to install again).
However, my question is what is the above for (I've dled it) and would this
affect the nozzle problem, do you imagine. I've had 5.5 for awhile but
haven't used it much--in fact, didn't have it installed on this computer. I
just had a new one built, have ME instead of 98SE on this one and have had
Wacom Intuos driver problems so nothing else surprises me LOL.
I'm just getting the 'floaters' figured out. I completely understand layers
and objects in PSP and Photopaint--these just seem a bit obscure, but I"ll
get it. Enjoyed the interchange with Diane Walters above--was quite
interesting to me.
Diane
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Cricket
What problems are you having with nozzle files?
Cricket
C_Tech Volunteer
"Diane Fields" <pic...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Diane Fields
would go to 'load libraries' and choose a .NZL library from the CD and it
would not show up. Not sure what the problem was. I had done one of the
tutes from Digarts site using their .NZL and brushes (samples) and they
loaded. However, I never could get the CD libraries to load.
In the meantime, after I uninstalled Painter, I could only reboot in Save
mode. I'm assuming that Painter uninstalled a .dll that was needed (several
were missing), so, the one good thing about ME came in handy--I restored
back to several days ago before this problem. Now I will go ahead with my
reformat and wait to install Painter again after that. BTW, I had not had
problems that I knew of with my tablet in 5.5 and hadn't installed that file
yet. Thanks for the information. If I continue to have problems with
nozzles after installing with 98SE, I will come back to ask.
Diane
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"Cricket" <ct...@corel.ca> wrote in message news:3acaa9ea_1@cnews...
Cricket
Cricket
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"Diane Fields" <pic...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Diane Walters
I had the same problem with the 5.5 from DigArts. That was a major
reason for my decision to upgrade to 6.
Grins,
Diane
Jinny Brown
To load nozzles (or any Painter file) from a CD, first copy it to your
hard drive, then remove the Read Only status. In Windows, you can do
this in Explorer (file manager): Highlight the file, or files, then in
the File Menu click Properties and uncheck the Read Only Box and check
the Archive Box.
To load a Nozzle Library (NZL file, in the Brushes Palette, Nozzles
Menu, click Nozzles. Then in the Nozzle List, scroll to the bottom click
Load Library. Find the Nozzles Library file and load it. Then in the
Brushes Palette, chose the Image Hose and paint. Also try the Image Hose
variants.
If it's a single Nozzle (RIFF file) you want to load, in the Brushes
Palette, Nozzle Menu, click Load Nozzle, find the Nozzle file and load
it.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Diane Fields
and the 5.5 were bundled. That's the major reason I bought the Jungle
Bundle/5.5 bundle, to be truthful. I could have bought the PSP version and
used it w/o the problems. Hmmm, maybe need to notify Digarts.
Thanks, Diane (Cricket, I did have the nozzles copied to HD--strange).
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"Diane Walters" <Wa...@tx3.net> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
Did you contact DigArts to find out what was wrong? This is the first
I've heard that there's a problem loading Nozzles. Mine load just fine
in Painter 6 but I can't test in Painter 5.5 since I don't own that
version.
Also, and this is a common thing new users run into, did you copy the
files to your hard drive, the remove the Read Only status (see my
message to Diane Fields earlier this morning for instructions)? If not,
they won't load.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Diane Fields
only'. I should absolutely know better because I have to do it all the time
when I copy things from my own burned CD's. Now *G*--do <I> feel really
stupid LOL. I'll try that immediately.
Diane
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"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Diane Fields
that many do--I use mainly to create textures/skins for 3D programs but who
knows--I do a lot of 'masks' to use in surface design for my textile work.
I had Painter Classic and that didn't inspire me too much. The full app is
absolutely wonderful though--I'm in awe of how it acts very much like real
paint/brushes. I can't justify spending the bucks for 6.0, but will enjoy
5.5 now that I have this straightened out. I bet that's Diane Walters
problem also.
Thanks Jinny and Cricket. Newsgroups are always the way to go to try and
figure things out if you've tried the manual/help and that didn't do it. Of
course, since I knew how to load nozzles, I was just butting my way through
this and caused myself many more problems (what a mess uninstalling,
reinstalling, etc.--this is one time where I'm glad ME is my OS--I finally
found a 'restore system' that was the right one with the right .dlls in
place).
Diane
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dyer/weaver/colorist of interior textiles
"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Diane,
>
> Don't feel stupid. It's an easy thing to forget even when you know.
>
> Just wanted to make sure that no one thought there was something wrong
> with the DigArts software. As far as I know, it works beautifully...
> Lots of fun to use, too!
Jinny Brown
Don't feel stupid. It's an easy thing to forget even when you know.
Just wanted to make sure that no one thought there was something wrong
with the DigArts software. As far as I know, it works beautifully...
Lots of fun to use, too!
Jinny Brown
Jinny Brown
I'll bet it is too. It pays to ask questions, both on the newsgroups,
and of the software creators. Often it's a very simple answer that does
the trick.
Glad you got things working. :o)
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Diane Fields wrote:
> I bet that's Diane Walters problem also.
<SNIP>
Cricket
a great time with it.
Cricket
C_Tech Volunteer
Dennis
Hi Diane(s).
Sorry to hear of your problems. It's unfortunate you went through the
assorted installs and uninstalls and they were probably unnecessary.
If you have questions in the future, please contact us first.
We fully expect some of our users will questions. I am happy to help
out, so I encourage you to send us an email. I think most users will
tell you that I generally respond within an hour or two.
Per your problems, I've just tested and was able to load both nozzles
and nozzle libraries from the CD directly without any problems.
Perhpas the problem you're having is reflected in the post.
> > The nozzles from the Jungle CD would not load into the nozzle
> > palette.
Nozzles (.RIF) will not load into the nozzles palette. Only nozzle
libraries (.NZL) load in the nozzles palette. I don't know if that was
your problem, but the Painter manual should address this question. I
think we cover it in our manual as well.
> > I would go to 'load libraries' and choose a .NZL library from the
> > CD and it would not show up. Not sure what the problem was.
It's not uncommon that new users will sometimes try to load nozzles
using the "load library" command. Again, that may not apply here but
I can't think of another explanation for the problem you describe. I
was able to see and load both types this morning.
Here's a general rule: If you attempt to load a nozzle file (.RIF)
using the Load Library command, nothing will "show up" in the directory
menu because Painter is looking for .NZL files in a directory
containing only .RIF files. Painter does not see .RIF files when
looking for .NZLs.
> I had the same problem with the 5.5 from DigArts. That was a major
> reason for my decision to upgrade to 6.
The Painter 5.5 that comes with PC Format is the same Painter 5.5
Metacreations sold and, presumably, Corel licensed the magazine's
publishers. There is no difference, at least that I am aware of.
What's more important is that you mention that you upgraded to Painter
6. That's great! So Corel gave you the upgrade discount as an
owner of Painter 5.5 from DigArts?
Please share your experience because I'm sure some of the other listees
are interested to know if they can get the upgrade discount by
purchasing Jungle 3D with Painter 5.5. That's like getting Jungle 3D
for free while saving $100 besides.
Last but not least, thanks Jinny and Silvia. You guys never cease to
amaze and impress me with your unwavering helpfulness. It really is a
treasure to Painter users everywhere.
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Dennis@Digarts
http://www.gardenhose.com
My opinions only...
Diane Walters
Just received a nice/wonderful email from Dennis at DigArts. I think
you're right, Jinny, I didn't check off the read only files. I'm
slammed today, so maybe tonight I'll look into it again and let you know
if I have any trouble.
Dennis wanted me to point out that I did get the upgrade price from
Corel for the 6 CD from when I ordered the 5.5 Painter from DigArts.
:) Such a deal! I must thank you guys again!!!
Grins,
Diane
Dennis Berkla
Thank you. I think it's great news, both for you and anyone else wanting Painter
6. You can get Painter 5.5, save a lot on Painter 6 while getting Jungle 3D too.
Per the previous post, and for the sake of anyone else running into similar
problems with nozzles, here are a couple of follow-up tips.
You really don't need to copy nozzles to your HD, whether they're from our products
or from somewhere else. And absent that, you don't need to uncheck Read Only (you
can't actually since they're on a CD). Painter can access these files directly
from the CD, which is a nice feature not unlike PhotoPaint's.
Because Painter can and will load these files directly from the CD, you don't have
to use valuable HD space by copying the files. However, there is a good argument
for copying nozzles and nozzle libraries to your HD before you work. They will
always load faster from the HD than from the CD. That's because data reads much
faster from your HD than from a CD.
As I recall, our manual suggests doing what oil, acrylic and watercolor painters
do, load a palette before you start your painting. Now please don't confuse this
metaphor with Painter commands. Think of it in terms of old style painting. If
you're going to paint with nozzles, copy the ones you'll likely use into a folder
your hard drive, just like you put different colors of paint onto a palette before
you begin painting. It keeps you from having to mess with tubes of paint, and you
can mix and match much more easily.
Here's my preference, and it's a continuation of the metaphor. Rather than copying
nozzles into a folder, I actually create a new nozzle library using the Nozzle
Mover. The library becomes a disposable paint palette doily. Like using real
paint media, I simply load whatever grass, leaf and flower nozzles I plan to use
into the library before I start painting. That way, all of my media choices are in
one place, ready to use. If I decide to use another nozzle later, while painting,
I can easily add it to the library.
It's very convenient. When the painting is done, you simply throw out the library
just like you would a paper doily containing the used paints. There's an infinite
supply of nozzles on the CD, so why not? You save HD space that way and you just
make another next time you paint.
Hope this helps,
Dennis@DigArts
http://www.gardenhose.com
Diane Walters wrote:
> Hi, Jinny, et al,
>
> Just received a nice/wonderful email from Dennis at DigArts. I think
> you're right, Jinny, I didn't check off the read only files. I'm
> slammed today, so maybe tonight I'll look into it again and let you know
> if I have any trouble.
>
> Dennis wanted me to point out that I did get the upgrade price from
> Corel for the 6 CD from when I ordered the 5.5 Painter from DigArts.
> :) Such a deal! I must thank you guys again!!!
>
> Grins,
> Diane
>
Dennis@Digarts wrote... (but could not get the message to post ):
> Hi Diane(s).
>
> Sorry to hear of your problems. It's unfortunate you went through the
> assorted installs and uninstalls and they were probably unnecessary.
> If you have questions in the future, please contact us first.
>
> We fully expect some of our users will questions. I am happy to help
> out, so I encourage you to send us an email. I think most users will
> tell you that I generally respond within an hour or two.
>
> Per your problems, I've just tested and was able to load both nozzles
> and nozzle libraries from the CD directly without any problems.
> Perhaps the problem you're having is reflected in the post.
> Dennis@DigArts
> http://www.gardenhose.com
>
Diane Fields
uncheck the readme. I haven't tried that, but I did, at his suggestion, try
accessing from the CD. That worked fine--this time. I'm wondering if there
was a corrupt file or something. I did nothing different this time than
previously, but I assure you that not one library (.NZL) would open. I was
stuck with the default nozzles. Strange, but I know when I tried to
uninstall, I had a lot of problems, so I feel something was wrong with the
first install.
Diane
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"Diane Walters" <Wa...@tx3.net> wrote in message
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Cricket
Great tip.
Cricket
C_Tech Volunteer
"Dennis Berkla" <dig...@gardenhose.com> wrote in message
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Diane Walters
Thank you again for all the time you spent explaining all of this.
Grins,
Diane
Alois Lehner
Yes, Dennis is a great guy.
Greetings from Jordan
Alois
Cricket schrieb:
Diane Fields
Since I'm just learning Painter, all the tips are very helpful. I had
already created my own palettes, but hadn't thought of creating a nozzle
library.
Thanks, Diane
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dyer/weaver/colorist of interior textiles
"Dennis Berkla" <dig...@gardenhose.com> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
I expect that you'll get the Nozzle loading thing straightened out. It
seems to work for most folks once they learn how to do it.
Great that you got the upgrade price! I thought you would since Corel
Customer Support assured me that one can upgrade from any Painter
version (including Painter Classic which is not part of the series of
full Painter versions), as long as a serial number can be supplied.
Keep us informed on your Nozzle progress, and if you have any more
trouble, be sure to contact Dennis at DigArts. He's a good guy and will
help you as much as he can.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinny Brown
Aside from the Nozzle loading problem which seems to have been nicely
solved (thanks, Dennis for the great tips)....
Some other files may not load without removing the Read Only status.
Because I recalled running into this before but couldn't remember where
and when, I did a quick check this morning with both The Painter 6 WOW!
Book CD and the Painter 6 Application CD. In both cases, the Brush
Library files would not load from the CD (these are .BRS files), though
everything else seemed to load just fine.
I noticed, also, that all of the files had a Read Only status, even the
ones that loaded from the CD with no problem. I wonder why this is?
Anyone know?
Anyway, I mention it so new Painter users will know they may still have
to copy * some * files from their CD's and remove the Read Only status
in order to use them.
Dennis@Digarts
In most cases, Painter libraries will load just fine from a CD. Gradient, Paper,
Pattern, Floater, Selection, Nozzle, even Brushes. But without knowing exactly
how library files operate with the system resources, it's hard to determine where
you're likely to encounter problems.
For example, I'm told that nozzle libraries (.NZL) are loaded into RAM. So even
when you Scale the size of a nozzle in a library, the change is factored in
memory only. It's likely most of the other libraries operate in much the same
way, which explains why they load from the CD. Say you load a Pattern library
from a CD. Notice that you can change the settings of a pattern in the library,
but you cannot capture a new pattern to add to that library. That's the caveat
of loading a library from a CD.
Moreover, brush libraries differ from the other kinds of libraries. They're
relatively dynamic. With earlier versions of Painter, brush libraries change
size "as" new settings or variants are created. Loading brushes from a CD
becomes problematic because files on a CD cannot be altered, the same reason you
can't add a new pattern to a CD pattern library. As soon as the brush library
attempts to change size to accommodate new settings, watch out because you're
driving way too fast in crash city.
The dynamic nature of brush libraries doesn't mean you can't load brush libraries
from a CD. It simply means that it's not wise to do so. So long as you don't
make a setting change that causes the library's size to increase, a brush library
should work even when loaded from a CD. Doubtless there are exceptions to this
rule, however.
Painter 6 addresses the brush library size problem by using a separate "Pre-built
Brush File." To the best of my knowledge, setting and variant information is
stored in that file rather than the brush library itself. Presumably then, even
a brush library that's loaded from a CD will have certain types of new
information written to the Pre-built Brush File rather than the library. How far
you can go is anyone's guess. Best bet is to copy brushes to the HD and thereby
avoid such problems.
Hope this helps,
Dennis@DigArts
http://www.gardenhose.com