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Ro2head

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Aug 8, 2003, 1:09:56 PM8/8/03
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How do I set up a brush to act like a Copic marker pen (or similar) in
Painter 8?
The "felt pens" dosn't work like real marker pens. If I use a pale gray,
e.g. Copic C1, it stay pale gray, even if I empty the hole pen in one single
spot. It dosn't suddenly turn into black, and it dosn't smear with other
colors like the ones in Painter do. And if I take a pastel like red it
dosn't buildup to a clear red - it stays pastel like.

Can someone help, or do I have to look for another program (or go back to
Photoshop)?!

David Gell

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Aug 8, 2003, 4:30:54 PM8/8/03
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There are currently two custom brush libraries I know of, which provide
marker variants to work in a similar way to what you describe. Both mainly
use the 'digital wet' method.

Shane Caudle's 'Concept art' brushes are a Painter 6 library which can be
'imported' into painter 8 if you are using a PC. You won't be able to use
his custom palettes in painter 8 though. Shane's brushes may be downloaded
from his home page;

http://www.planetshane.com/

The second library is one which I created using Shane's brushes as a
starting point. The digital wet method can take a bit of 'getting used to',
but I have included a comprehensive FAQ in the download folder. My 'Prize DW
Markers' (for Painter 8 only) are available from;

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.gell/Pages/Sandmans_Brushes3.html

David

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Ro2head

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Aug 8, 2003, 9:02:06 PM8/8/03
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Thanks for the tip. It didn't really do the trick but almost. The 'Concept
art' brushes gets all black? Strange that Corel didn't inplement markers
with "normal behavier" in their default brushes!?

RH

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Karen Sperling

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Aug 8, 2003, 10:06:53 PM8/8/03
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I admit never trying a copic marker, but if you want to prevent the felt
pens from muddying to black, choose the Brush Creator, and in the General
Section, set the Method pop-up to Cover. Now when you draw with the felt
pens, they will cover or hide underlying strokes, whereas before on the
Buildup setting, they were building up underlying strokes.

This will stop some of the smearing, as will setting Resat to 100% and Bleed
to 0% in the Property Bar.

Hope this helps!


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Ro2head

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Aug 9, 2003, 1:49:45 PM8/9/03
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Didn't work either, but we're on the way. Marker pens doesn't cover. They
acts more like watercolor or ink. E.g. a yellow on a dark bue gives a dark
green. Has no one on Corel used colored ink before? The problem is that the
bildup method bild up the color to 100% saturation or if you pick a color
with Value lower than 100% it becomes black. Anyway to go around this?
One other thing is that if you work quite fast, wet in wet, you get a
homogeneous effect, a filled area with no stripes, as with watercolor but
markers act much quicker. The effect depends on the media (canvas).

RH

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Karen Sperling

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Aug 9, 2003, 2:46:52 PM8/9/03
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Well, it does work, if you want to know how to stop the pens from muddying
to black, that's how to do it, change to cover method, like I described.

Instead of saying what you don't want, say what you do want and I or someone
else can tell you how to do it in Painter.

Also, in your experimentations, don't pay too close attention to what the
brushes are called, it's just what the person naming them thought the name
should be. For instance, I use square chalk to do oil strokes all the time,
just because the square chalk strokes look more like oil paint strokes to me
than the strokes of oil variants.

Have you tried the digital watercolor brushes for the effect you're looking
for? Are you saying you want banding in the color? Try using the digital
watercolor, then quit Painter then relaunch. The watercolors dry so the next
strokes are like painting wet on dry.

Happy to help!

Jinny Brown

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Aug 8, 2003, 8:30:18 PM8/8/03
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Hi,

Open the Brush Creator, open the General section, and change the Method
to Cover.

The default Felt Pens variants' Method: Buildup causes color to build,
eventually, to black (sometimes "eventually" is sooner rather than
later).


Jinny Brown

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Jinny Brown

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Aug 9, 2003, 6:01:26 PM8/9/03
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Hi,

To add to Karen's good suggestions:

Unless you want to close Painter and relaunch for some other reason, if
you want to dry Digital Water Colors, use Ctrl/Command+Shift+L or choose
Dry Digital Water Color from the Layers palette menu.


Jinny Brown

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Bernd Ertl

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Aug 11, 2003, 8:47:58 AM8/11/03
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Hi all,

well, coming from Copic markers I used the watercolours in 6.1, they are
close to the real thing.
Bernd

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