Is anybody truly happy with 7? NOT!
Testarossa
I was just thinking, the Painter 6.1 update came out around January 2001 and
then Painter 7 came out in August 2001. With a development time that short
it is no wonder that it has so many "issues" as Corel calls them. Adobe Beta
1"s are in twice a good a shape as this!!
Babushka
Me thinks the users for PS and dollars behind them must be 50 times greater,
so therefore one must think Painter will be proportionately slower for
updates. I am thinking most of corels green comes from corel draw and
wordperfect users, etc.
When more people buy and use professional tools like Painter, more people at
corel will update it quicker.
ANSWER TO PROBLEM = testarosa please volunteer to market good ideas about
Painter to worldwide market so more people start buying and using painter,
therefore make corel spend more time with Painter, therefore make better
upgrades, therefore make testarosa and everyone more happy in the end.
Testarosa please give, then recieve later.
Nice day.
"Testarossa" <testa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
You've made a faulty assumption. Here are some facts that should help
clear that up:
Development of Painter 7 had already begun at Metacreations when Corel
bought Painter in Spring 2000. If memory serves me well, it had begun
either before the end of the year in 1999 when Metacreations announced
they would be selling their graphics software, Painter included, or
shortly after the first of the year 2000.
In April 2000, Painter developers Mark Zimmer, John Derry, and Tom
Hedges formed a new company named fractal.com and contracted to work
with Corel to complete the Painter 7 upgrade. Take a look here:
Also in April 2000, I set up a database at eGroups and all Painter users
were invited to enter their issues, requests, and comments about what
they wanted to have improved or added in the Paitner 7 upgrade. Take a
look here (click the graphic to read the database contents sent to Corel
in PDF format):
http://www.pixelalley.com/painterusers2corel-dialog/database-info.html
Painter 7 was released in August 2001. Let's see, that means it was in
development for at least a year and half, maybe longer.
Yeah, I'm very happy with Painter 7. That doesn't mean it has no bugs,
doesn't need improvement, or that it's even close to perfect.
It's a great program and I'm willing to work hard with other Painter
users to let Corel/Procreate (via Corel Painter Program Manager Tanya
Staples) know what we want them to fix, improvements we want, and to pay
attention to us.
The Painter list at Topica.com currently has a discussion going on in
two or three threads on this very subject and participants are listing
what they want included and/or fixed in the Painter 8 upgrade. Tanya
Staples has confirmed she's reading the Painter list and other Painter
newsgroups, forums, lists. Take a look here:
http://www.topica.com/lists/painter-list/
There's a thread named "Painter Comments, Laments, and Bug Reports" in
the Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions. We've already submitted
two detailed problem reports and another long list of problem reports
and wish list items.. and received positive responses from Tanya Staples
within three days. The URL is below my signature.
Want to pitch in too? You'd be most welcome if you have some specific
bugs or problems to report and/or some suggestions for improvement.
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Jinny Brown
Excellent post! Please read my response to Testarossa's message and join
in with us to help make Painter even better than it is.. fix bugs.. make
improvements.
Complaining doesn't get much done, does it? Making positive suggestions
and reporting bugs and other problems clearly, with complete specifics
does help, and the developers do listen.
Thanks, :o)
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
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Testarossa
Hey Jinny;
YOU are under some faulty assumptions.
"Development of Painter 7 had already begun at Metacreations when Corel
bought Painter in Spring 2000. If memory serves me well, it had begun
either before the end of the year in 1999 when Metacreations announced
they would be selling their graphics software, Painter included, or
shortly after the first of the year 2000."
Development was begun yes, but no real QA testing was started until
2001.This is what makes a good bug free product and 6 months is not enough !
"In April 2000, Painter developers Mark Zimmer, John Derry, and Tom
Hedges formed a new company named fractal.com and contracted to work
with Corel to complete the Painter 7 upgrade."
They may have been contracted at this time, but little was done towards
Painter 7 with Corel. They were busy with Corel Draw 10 at the time as the
tech boom had decimated Corel staff and all remaining staff were assigned to
Corel Draw 10.
Corel's tech support is not up to Adobe or Macromedia's. That's a fact.
Sure there are lots of cool new things in P7 and the Text and layers are
fixed up. But there are far to many "issues" (read bugs) for a product that
is marketed at a graphic professional!!
Testarossa
Bernd Ertl
"Babushka" <bushi...@dontsendmestuff.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> Me thinks the users for PS and dollars behind them must be 50 times
greater,
> so therefore one must think Painter will be proportionately slower for
> updates. I am thinking most of corels green comes from corel draw and
> wordperfect users, etc.
>
> When more people buy and use professional tools like Painter, more people
at
> corel will update it quicker.
>
> ANSWER TO PROBLEM = testarosa please volunteer to market good ideas about
> Painter to worldwide market so more people start buying and using painter,
> therefore make corel spend more time with Painter, therefore make better
> upgrades, therefore make testarosa and everyone more happy in the end.
>
> Testarosa please give, then recieve later.
I think Testarosa has given already, like all of us, by paying for Painter!
What is this, is this some secret church or something?
Is criticism not allowed or what?
Bernd
ghi stecyk
i worked on the Painter 7 beta... or was it alpha... both actually. at the time
the program was pretty much useless to critique but i filed some bugs. one of
which still remains - an issue with P7's vector support. in the P7 Mac version
there are problems with dark artifacts that appear around vector shapes. it
tends to look like a very subtle beveling effect, but it's not. also when a
vector is converted to a layer i find these artifacts are amplified. this was
present in the beta and is still present in the final P7.1 version. they are in
the file and print out. this is not good. so for the most part i still use P6.
it's faster under Os8.6, prints great and fast and does what i need. screen
redraws are faster and the gui is more responsive. it is also stable. P7 is
more cluncky with Os 8-9 and it is understandable since it is optimized for the
X. it will be interesting to see what P8 will be like. should be coming around
pretty quick. hopefully those Fractal.com guys are working on implementing
Quartz Extreme optimizations to the brush engine. if that's doable .....?
ghi~
Dwain Alford
just got through applying to be a beta tester for painter 8. for all of
you who would like to see changes in version 8 apply now.
cheers,
dwain alford
Bernd Ertl
"Dwain Alford" <AlfordDe...@earthlink.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> hi,
> just got through applying to be a beta tester for painter 8. for all of
> you who would like to see changes in version 8 apply now.
Hi there,
where do you apply for it??
cheers,
Bernd
Dwain Alford
go to www.corel.com. skip the intro. click on designer.com on the left
side of the home page. on the left side of the next page scroll down to
"product information" and click on Beta tester. on the next page there
is a hard to read link (beta tester) in the sentence to the answer
"would you like to become a beta tester?
good luck,
dwain alford
Raghavendra Chandrashekara
Here's the address: http://www.corel.com/betaprogram
Good luck!
Raghavendra.
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