It's not just the watercolors
Chris
watercolors. Sure it doesn't look like any watercolor I've ever used, but
hey, if I pay $400.00 + for something, I want cute meaningless animation!
Try using the "Brushes." In real life, if I put blue oil paint on a canvas,
and blend in some yellow I get green. With Painter's defaults, I have to go
and "Just Add Water". So much for natural media.
After about a week of fiddling with custom brushes I have finally managed to
make oil paints that act reasonably like oil paints. A "natural media"
system should have done thins right out of the box.
Corel/Procreate - if you're listening, here's my top suggestions:
1. Make your watercolors act like real watercolors right out of the box.
That grainy, bleedy, animated stuff is just nonsense.
2. Make your oil paint act like real oil paint right out of the box. Blue
and yellow make green!
3. The manual mentions that having Painter is like having an art store with
unlimited aisles and stock. How about spending some time and including some
of this? Gimmie soft and hard nylon, gimmie sable, gimmie camel hair where
the bristles aren't the same diameter as a piece of thick spaghetti. Gimmie
fan brushes. Gimmie flats. Gimmie filberts.
ron cavedaschi
This is exactlt right. By all means have fantasy brushes and media included
in the box but keep refining and improving the natural media brushes until
they are really like natural media. Corel please understand that many of
Painters users are artists both fine and applied. We don't want to spend
hours, days, weeks, making use of the potential, we want it there straight
out of the box. Version seven is like ordering a sweater and being sent
knitting needles and a ball of wool and not even supplying a pattern.
Yes we like to have some fun but mostly we want to do serious work with this
product.
Ron Cavedaschi
"Chris" <fro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c2cc812$1_2@cnews...
Ed Wiser
digital color mixing. The program is called Paintbox by a company call
Quantel. If you got 20 grand you can do paint mixing with a computer.
Hopefully one day we will see an affordable way in Painter.
Here is a link to Quantel and Paintbox.
http://www.quantel.com/domisphere/infopool.nsf/html/GraphicsProducts
William Robinson
tring to do that yesterday, by coincedence, but couldn't see any way to
make that happen. Blue and yellow can smudge together and make something
darker, but never a true green, nor red and yellow make orage, nor red
and blue make purple.
I hit on the technique of setting Expression>Color>velocity and have the
background color and forgroound color mix. Blue foreground and yellow
background sort of make a muddy green, but nothing like real paint.
I plan to try this approach with liquid ink brushes to see if there
would be more options there.
william
Karen Sperling
manual index under color, not there) is to use the General Section: Method:
Buildup in Brush Controls (command+7, Mac; ctrl+7, Windows).
As an example, try the Captured Bristles variant of the Brushes category.
Set the Method to buildup, turn down the opacity slider. Paint with a yellow
then paint over it with blue and you get green. If it doesn't work you have
to turn down the opacity slider more.
And yes, the choices in the Expression palette under color let you pick up
the colors in the Color palette's front and rear rectangles (expression
isn't in the index either). If you choose pressure, pressing lightly with
the stylus gives you one color, pressing heavily gives you the other.
Too bad my publisher didn't see Painter as a big enough market to continue
my series of books. This is all in my Painter Complete books (they stopped
at 5). Oh well. Hope this helps.
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Paulo Roberto Purim
I agree that oil painting should be much more intuitive and ready to
use in version 7 of a "natural mediaŠ" program. The secret of color
mixing in Painter is well hidden in the Well section of Painter,
though. If you understand it, you understand it all.
I've put up some oil painting mixing brushes for you all to experiment
with. They are for Painter 7.
http://www.inmidia.com.br/carpen/oilmixer.xml
http://www.inmidia.com.br/carpen/oilmixer2.xml
Peace,
Paulo
talos72
that the company makes products for broadcast/video post-production. They
where kinda vage about the tools and specific functions of their products,
the specs and features. I assume they make hardware and software. Is their
stuff like Adobe Premier and After Effects, but much more expensive?
"Ed Wiser" <ewi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:3c2dea57_2@cnews...
Ed Wiser
but to business users. Their products are designed more for each customer.
They are more like Avid with there systems than Adobe in that they provide
computers switchers the whole works not just a program. Broadcast software
is quite different than generally use. I have one piece of broadcast
software that has been in Beta now for 2 years. :) As far as the vagueness I
guess they feel if you don't know their stuff you could not afford it. :)
Mainly brought this up to explain why Painter does not have a color mixing
feature. The developers have said on many postings in the past that because
Quantel owns the copyrights to color mixing of digital color they could not
add that feature to the software. I hope that in the future we could see a
license for using Quantel's color mixing in Painter as this would be a great
feature to add to painter.
Karen Sperling
doubt you're going to see it happen.
My guess is, the same high price of their system is reflected in any kind of
licensing agreement they would offer to Corel, if indeed they would license
at all.
Why would a company making $20,000+ systems make available technology to a
company selling $300-$500 software?
Just my opinions, I have no inside track on Quantel or Corel's thinking.
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Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter Tutorial CD's might be tax deductible, depending on your
finances.
http://www.artistrymag.com
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talos72
they are the natural media app. As far as Quantel, I was awar of the
expensiveness of their products but wanted to check it out for curiousity's
sake. Painter and Photoshop work fine for me ;)news:3c2f2929$1_2@cnews...
Ed Wiser
Chris
blending colors. That would be akin to Microsoft attempting to patent spell
checking, or even the concept of the taskbar (which has been adopted by some
Linux window managers).
And, we already know Painter can do it - if you use the buildup method for a
brush you can make blue and yellow become green - you just don't get edge
blending.
I think Corel/Procreate need to worry less about animating their watercolors
and focus on making paint that acts like real paint.
Chris
Paulo Roberto Purim
wrote:
Hey,
I don't know what you guys are talking about. It is sure possible
mixing colors with Painter - or else I don't know what "mixing colors"
is.
I've posted a sample I did with the two brushes I just posted. Yellow
and Blue produce Green, Yellow and Red produce orange.
http://www.inmidia.com.br/carpen/images/mix.jpg
Is this the effect you're trying to achieve?
Peace,
Paulo
David Goerndt
Ed Wiser <ewi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:3c2f2929$1_2@cnews...
Adobe was sued because it used color mixing in one of its early versions of
Photoshop (ver. 3.0 I believe). I thought it was very cool to have that, but
it was removed as part of the settlement. Deluxe Paint on the Amiga had
color mixing also, again nice feature, but that app is long gone.
David Goerndt
David Goerndt
> Adobe was sued because it used color mixing in one of its early versions
of
> Photoshop (ver. 3.0 I believe). I thought it was very cool to have that,
but
> it was removed as part of the settlement. Deluxe Paint on the Amiga had
> color mixing also, again nice feature, but that app is long gone.
>
I just did a search for the relevant story and found this URL
http://www.siggraph.org/publications/newsletter/v32n3/contributions/phillips
.html
Apparently, Adobe didn't infringe any patents and the case was dropped. It
makes no mention of color mixing as on of the specific patents allegedly
infringed, but a lot of others that are in Painter. The courts found the
patents invalid. I know that Photoshop had a color mixing palette and it was
dropped for the next version. Anyone have a working version PS 3.0 or 2.5
that has this mixing palette?
David Goerndt
Ed Wiser
Deluxe Paint and a Amiga at work will check and see. It has been several
years since I went through the program. Though at the time Deluxe Paint was
one of the best graphics programs around.
Ed Wiser
sometime when Paint mixing has been brought up as a feature. I just wanted
to inform those who have not been using painter or have never followed
Painters development of what the facts are. An yes you can patent things
Adobe and Macromedia have pending cases on the tear off palette.
Chris <fro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c2f528e$1_1@cnews...
MD
certain companies have rights to things that you would not believe. This
makes very good sense why Painter does not have the color mixing feature.
Take for example ipix, they have a patent on images stitched together taken
with a camera with a fisheye lens. US patent laws states that you cannot
stitch your own images from your own camera and your own fisheye lens with
your choice of software and sell them unless you use their software to do
it!
The companies that hold rights to such insane things started when everyone
was new to digital things so the ignorant judges and juries gave them
everything they asked for. Now only an elite few hold the goods to things we
now would consider like patenting a spoon or a keyboard.
MD
"Karen Sperling" <arti...@artnet.net> wrote in message
news:3c2e263f_3@cnews...
Chris
US patent laws states that you cannot
> stitch your own images from your own camera and your own fisheye lens with
> your choice of software and sell them unless you use their software to do
> it!
I suppose I'll have to take into account the foolishness of the American
legal system.
David Goerndt
> Take for example ipix, they have a patent on images stitched together
taken
> with a camera with a fisheye lens. US patent laws states that you cannot
> stitch your own images from your own camera and your own fisheye lens with
> your choice of software and sell them unless you use their software to do
> it!
>
Pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical about the above statement, but I thought a
patent granted the holder protection against competitors making something
similar, in this case writing software to stitch images together, not from
an individual stitching photos together using whatever software they want.
Stitching photos together was being done long before software existed to do
it. All the patent does is say I can write software to do it. This is
similar to Quantel's suit against Adobe. Their patents didn't hold up in
court.
David Goerndt
Mike C.
Ed Wiser wrote:
>
> David I have Photoshop 3 at work in a box might look and see. I also have
> Deluxe Paint and a Amiga at work will check and see. It has been several
> years since I went through the program. Though at the time Deluxe Paint was
> one of the best graphics programs around.
Some Sesame Street stills from some animations done
with Deluxe Paint on an Amiga.
http://www.artistmike.com/SesameStreet/Sesame1.html
":^) ®
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