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Geoffrey

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May 28, 2001, 9:41:00 AM5/28/01
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Article here:

http://penguinista.rainyday.mb.ca/cgi-bin/article?byTopicId=18

X: Your comments are 100% dead-on accurate. Only one problem, is academia
listening?

Geoffrey
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Xavier Basora

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May 28, 2001, 3:01:30 PM5/28/01
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Geoffrey:
Thanks for the generous compliment. It's a bothersome trend that's really
unfair to the undergrads and practically encourages them to become cheats.
Once a wise professor told me that no one will ever be original at the
bachelor's level (he wasn't and told me so) and shouldn't be expected to be so.
I relaxed and concentrated on writing as clearly and concisely as I could. I'm
still a terrible stylist and pathetically unoriginal but the advice is still
invaluable to this day :)
Further, I'm so tired of lazy profs who berate their students for turgid
essays when the former can't be bothered to think up new essay topics. Gee,
you'd think that some topics, the subject mater would be inexhaustable and
that's what the prof are paid to do: think.
xavier

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Geoffrey

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May 28, 2001, 3:54:29 PM5/28/01
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One nit: I've seen some truly creative work from undergraduates. It's not a
"never," just a bit unusual. One critical prerequisite seems to be an
extraordinarily motivated student (which in and of itself is uncommon).

Keep in mind too, that our discussion is based on our limited experiences. I
don't doubt for a minute that creativity can be found at any age. Accounting
students however, are not known for their creativity. Most often they must be
encouraged to think "outside of the box." (Sorry for the cliche.)

re: lazy profs. I cannot agree more. It is, in fact, academia's double-
standard, repeated even among the faculty themselves. Senior faculty
often demand originality from junior faculty, yet close inspection of the
senior's resume reveals nary a creative thought in his/her entire life.

I agree, your professor was wise. Undergrads should focus first on the skills
needed to succeed in life. If creativity is there, by God encourage it! But
don't require it of the students, at least not until the Professor is willing
to live to an even *higher* standard.

Geoffrey

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Xavier Basora

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May 28, 2001, 4:38:17 PM5/28/01
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geoffrey:
OK I shouldn't've said never :) Nonethless what you state is accurate there may be 1
or 2 truly creative and brillant undergrads out of 300; self motivated is probably
far less :)
The lazy prof is my biggest beef and honestly nothing can be done other than to
avoid his classes (which is impossible as he/she teaches all the obligatory first
year courses :) )
xavier

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Geoffrey

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May 28, 2001, 5:06:19 PM5/28/01
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I could say I've lost count of the number of lazy profs I've encountered, but
I won't. ;-))

A parable (of sorts) from my own life may be useful here. After completing my
Master's I had the opportunity to work in Public with an old High School
friend, an opportunity I looked forward to. But, unfortunately, something had
happened in the intervening years to my friend. When I started working with
him I found him to be greatly embittered, frequently insulting his co-workers
and clients.

I was stunned. For a couple of days I really didn't know what to do. Until
then I had never been subject to personal abuse on the job (and I wasn't again
until my last school). Then it dawned on me.

Whether Tim [not his real name] was a jerk, a twit, or an @$$, was not
important. We had clients to work with. Clients who would walk unless I proved
to them that the firm I worked for was worth their money, and that Tim was not
the normal firm employee.

Your accomplishments are what matters. If you need work around (or through)
the odd incompetent, do it. We have little other choice.

Geoffrey

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Erik Wessman

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May 28, 2001, 4:47:46 PM5/28/01
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I wonder about hearing that from you, Geoffrey. <g> Doesn't
creative accounting vex the tax dept and other quasi-legal
regulators?

Geoffrey

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May 28, 2001, 5:31:14 PM5/28/01
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In article <3B12B972...@corelcity.com>, Erik Wessman says...

> I wonder about hearing that from you, Geoffrey. <g> Doesn't
> creative accounting vex the tax dept and other quasi-legal
> regulators?

Depends upon the specialization. In tax, well, my definition of a successful
tax accountant is one who has a loophole named after him/her. And lately even
when dealing with GAAP creativity can be greatly rewarded (and not always to
the favorable enhancement of the accounting profession's reputation).

An accountant's creativity must be disciplined.

Peter

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May 28, 2001, 9:03:29 PM5/28/01
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But, sometimes, GAP can lead to overcreativity. Two recent instances come to
mind. both of which I have forgotten.


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Geoffrey

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May 28, 2001, 9:15:48 PM5/28/01
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"Two recent instances come to mind. both of which I have forgotten."

Is that the GAP to which you refer? ;-))

Yes, there are problems (I.e., ambiguities) in GAAP. Just like those in tax
law, discovery and exploitation of such ambiguities can make one's career. The
details of recent events escape me as well, however. Perhaps another of our
esteemed colleagues can help? (Steve?)

Geoffrey

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Peter

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May 28, 2001, 9:45:17 PM5/28/01
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Actually GAP turned out to be an inadvertent pun. I was thinking of an
incident, within the last two months where the SEC is now considering taking
some type of action.
BTW, I was pleasantly surprised to learn that Harvey Pitt is being
considered to become SEC chair. He is bright, articulate hard working and
calls things the way they are.

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