I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI controller card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives and act like their total combined storage space was one big continuous space and make those old drives useful.
(It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After researching it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris 2008.11. Everyone confidently declares that it works just fine after installation of the OS.
My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without a driver and the install driver function states there is no driver available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the known info about the subject states that the card just works.
Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
> I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI controller > card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives and act like > their total combined storage space was one big continuous space and make > those old drives useful.
> (It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
> This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After researching > it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris 2008.11. Everyone > confidently declares that it works just fine after installation of the OS.
> My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that > consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without a > driver and the install driver function states there is no driver > available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the known > info about the subject states that the card just works.
> Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were put out to pasture.
> I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI controller > card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives and act like > their total combined storage space was one big continuous space and make > those old drives useful.
> (It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
> This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After researching > it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris 2008.11. Everyone > confidently declares that it works just fine after installation of the OS.
> My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that > consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without a > driver and the install driver function states there is no driver > available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the known > info about the subject states that the card just works.
> Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
> Thanks.
Start by telling us which platform you are talking about; SPARC or X86?
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > John McKenzie wrote: >> Hello, all.
>> I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI >> controller card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives >> and act like their total combined storage space was one big continuous >> space and make those old drives useful.
>> (It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
>> This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After >> researching it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris >> 2008.11. Everyone confidently declares that it works just fine after >> installation of the OS.
>> My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that >> consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without >> a driver and the install driver function states there is no driver >> available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the >> known info about the subject states that the card just works.
>> Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
>> Thanks.
> Start by telling us which platform you are talking about; SPARC or X86?
John McKenzie <dav...@accesscable.net> writes: >>Start by telling us which platform you are talking about; SPARC or X86? >Sorry I thought OpenSolaris was only 32-bit and only x86. >Running on an AMD Semperon 2000. >isainfo -v >32-bit i386 applications > ahf sse fxsr amd_3dnowx amd_3dnow amd_mmx mmx cmov sep cx8 tsc >fpu
Well, it isn't available for SPARC, but it is fully 64-bit capable..
Earlier Semprons are 32 bit only, and that looks like it applies to yours, although not having one myself, I don't know for sure if Solaris will actually run in 64 bit mode on later ones. (It certainly does on Athlon64's.)
-- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
That is good to know. My system is an old machine I got cheap sued from a guy. It is a 32-bit CPU, but it is good to know I can move to 64-bit if I get such a machine to use for this project in the future.
Looks like I will need to if I want to use that card and my SCSI drives for it. Or I can just make myself not care as those drives were free. :-)
> > I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI controller > > card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives and act like > > their total combined storage space was one big continuous space and make > > those old drives useful.
> > (It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
> > This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After researching > > it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris 2008.11. Everyone > > confidently declares that it works just fine after installation of the OS.
> > My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that > > consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without a > > driver and the install driver function states there is no driver > > available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the known > > info about the subject states that the card just works.
> > Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used > to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were > put out to pasture.
> -- > Ian Collins
I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!!
> On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > John McKenzie wrote: > > > Hello, all.
> > > I got a bunch of SCSI drives free and found a used PCI SCSI controller > > > card for $5.00. With ZFS I figured I could use these drives and act like > > > their total combined storage space was one big continuous space and make > > > those old drives useful.
> > > (It dates me a little, but I can remember being a SCSI snob. :-))
> > > This SCSI PCI controller is an Adaptec AHA-2940U card. After researching > > > it I see that it supposedly works with opensolaris 2008.11. Everyone > > > confidently declares that it works just fine after installation of the OS.
> > > My fresh install of Opensolaris does not seem to be part of that > > > consensus. The Device Driver utility flags as hardware that is without a > > > driver and the install driver function states there is no driver > > > available. My research into this leads me nowhere because all the known > > > info about the subject states that the card just works.
> > > Any advice is get a driver for the card is welcome.
> > There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used > > to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were > > put out to pasture.
> > -- > > Ian Collins
> I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone > please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!!
Churnd wrote: > On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used >> to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were >> put out to pasture.
> I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone > please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!!
I'm sure it worked out of the box with Solaris 10. Failing that, look on the Adaptec support page.
On Mar 20, 5:55 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Churnd wrote: > > On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used > >> to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were > >> put out to pasture.
> > I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone > > please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!!
> I'm sure it worked out of the box with Solaris 10. Failing that, look > on the Adaptec support page.
> -- > Ian Collins
It does work out of the box with Solaris 10. The problem is the drivers aren't included in OpenSolaris. I guess the card is "too old". What I'm trying to do now is import the older drivers from a Solaris 9 dvd (cadp160 and SUNWadp). Now my problem is I can't figure out how to properly import them into OpenSolaris after it's been installed. Any help there?
C. Hearn wrote: > On Mar 20, 5:55 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Churnd wrote: >>> On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used >>>> to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were >>>> put out to pasture. >>> I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone >>> please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!! >> I'm sure it worked out of the box with Solaris 10. Failing that, look >> on the Adaptec support page.
>> -- >> Ian Collins
> It does work out of the box with Solaris 10. The problem is the > drivers aren't included in OpenSolaris. I guess the card is "too > old". What I'm trying to do now is import the older drivers from a > Solaris 9 dvd (cadp160 and SUNWadp). Now my problem is I can't figure > out how to properly import them into OpenSolaris after it's been > installed. Any help there?
If you are using Sun's "OpenSolaris" distribution, no. The packaging system is different.
> C. Hearn wrote: >> On Mar 20, 5:55 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Churnd wrote: >>>> On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used >>>>> to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were >>>>> put out to pasture. >>>> I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone >>>> please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!! >>> I'm sure it worked out of the box with Solaris 10. Failing that, look >>> on the Adaptec support page.
>>> -- >>> Ian Collins
>> It does work out of the box with Solaris 10. The problem is the >> drivers aren't included in OpenSolaris. I guess the card is "too >> old". What I'm trying to do now is import the older drivers from a >> Solaris 9 dvd (cadp160 and SUNWadp). Now my problem is I can't figure >> out how to properly import them into OpenSolaris after it's been >> installed. Any help there?
> If you are using Sun's "OpenSolaris" distribution, no. The packaging > system is different.
It is different, but you can still pkgadd a SVR4 pkg to an OpenSolaris system. Sun's VirtualBox still comes as SVR4 pkgs so I know this works :-( -- Chris
> On 2009-03-21 20:38:05 +0000, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> said:
> > C. Hearn wrote: > >> On Mar 20, 5:55 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> Churnd wrote: > >>>> On Jan 22, 4:30 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> There is a 32 bit diver, but I don't think there's a 64 bit one. I used > >>>>> to use these on 32 bit systems, but binned them when those boxes were > >>>>> put out to pasture. > >>>> I have the same problem. I'm on a 32-bit platform. Can someone > >>>> please tell me how to get this SCSI card working? Many thanks!! > >>> I'm sure it worked out of the box with Solaris 10. Failing that, look > >>> on the Adaptec support page.
> >>> -- > >>> Ian Collins
> >> It does work out of the box with Solaris 10. The problem is the > >> drivers aren't included in OpenSolaris. I guess the card is "too > >> old". What I'm trying to do now is import the older drivers from a > >> Solaris 9 dvd (cadp160 and SUNWadp). Now my problem is I can't figure > >> out how to properly import them into OpenSolaris after it's been > >> installed. Any help there?
> > If you are using Sun's "OpenSolaris" distribution, no. The packaging > > system is different.
> It is different, but you can still pkgadd a SVR4 pkg to an OpenSolaris > system. Sun's VirtualBox still comes as SVR4 pkgs so I know this works > :-( > -- > Chris
OK, I also noticed that the SUNWadp drivers are in Solaris 10, so I'd like to try them. The problem is, it's just in a folder, no pkg. The folder has this in it: "install pkginfo pkgmap reloc". I checked inside reloc and saw "boot kernel", with a directory "drv", then two files "adp" and "adp.conf".
Long story short, I realzied that the files in "reloc" could be copied to their respective place on the actual OS filesystem itself, right? I noticed also that the "master" file in boot should probably be added onto the "master" file on the OS.
> OK, I also noticed that the SUNWadp drivers are in Solaris 10, so I'd > like to try them. The problem is, it's just in a folder, no pkg. The > folder has this in it: "install pkginfo pkgmap reloc". I checked > inside reloc and saw "boot kernel", with a directory "drv", then two > files "adp" and "adp.conf".
The directory SUNWadp on the install media *is* the package.
It's also on SXCE:
more /mnt/Solaris_11/Product/SUNWadp/pkginfo PKG=SUNWadp NAME=Adaptec 29xx/39/xx/78xx Family of SCSI HBA VERSION=11.11.0,REV=2009.03.02.23.50
(output filtered)
and 10 update 6:
more /mnt/Solaris_10/Product/SUNWadp/pkginfo PKG=SUNWadp DESC=Adaptec 29xx/39/xx/78xx Family of SCSI HBA VERSION=11.10.0,REV=2005.01.17.23.31
(output filtered)
So you should be able to pkgadd the package from your Solaris 10 or SXCE media.
> > OK, I also noticed that the SUNWadp drivers are in Solaris 10, so I'd > > like to try them. The problem is, it's just in a folder, no pkg. The > > folder has this in it: "install pkginfo pkgmap reloc". I checked > > inside reloc and saw "boot kernel", with a directory "drv", then two > > files "adp" and "adp.conf".
> The directory SUNWadp on the install media *is* the package.
> It's also on SXCE:
> more /mnt/Solaris_11/Product/SUNWadp/pkginfo > PKG=SUNWadp > NAME=Adaptec 29xx/39/xx/78xx Family of SCSI HBA > VERSION=11.11.0,REV=2009.03.02.23.50
> (output filtered)
> and 10 update 6:
> more /mnt/Solaris_10/Product/SUNWadp/pkginfo > PKG=SUNWadp > DESC=Adaptec 29xx/39/xx/78xx Family of SCSI HBA > VERSION=11.10.0,REV=2005.01.17.23.31
> (output filtered)
> So you should be able to pkgadd the package from your Solaris 10 or SXCE > media.
> -- > Ian Collins
Oh sweet!! I had to copy the SUNWadp dir into /var/spool/pkg then do "pfexec pkgadd", and it automatically picked it up and installed it! Could I have done this without copying it to /var/spool/pkg?
So, I installed both SUNWadp and CADP160. Problem is, I still can't see my SCSI hard drives. Am I missing something?
C. Hearn wrote: > On Mar 21, 8:40 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> So you should be able to pkgadd the package from your Solaris 10 or SXCE >> media.
*Please* don't quote signatures.
> Oh sweet!! I had to copy the SUNWadp dir into /var/spool/pkg then do > "pfexec pkgadd", and it automatically picked it up and installed it! > Could I have done this without copying it to /var/spool/pkg?
Yes, you can use the -d option, see the man page.
> So, I installed both SUNWadp and CADP160. Problem is, I still can't > see my SCSI hard drives. Am I missing something?
Are there any entries relating to the driver in /var/adm/messages after rebooting?
> C. Hearn wrote: > > On Mar 21, 8:40 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> So you should be able to pkgadd the package from your Solaris 10 or SXCE > >> media.
> *Please* don't quote signatures.
> > Oh sweet!! I had to copy the SUNWadp dir into /var/spool/pkg then do > > "pfexec pkgadd", and it automatically picked it up and installed it! > > Could I have done this without copying it to /var/spool/pkg?
> Yes, you can use the -d option, see the man page.
> > So, I installed both SUNWadp and CADP160. Problem is, I still can't > > see my SCSI hard drives. Am I missing something?
> Are there any entries relating to the driver in /var/adm/messages after > rebooting?
Yes, I'm seeing this:
cat /var/adm/messages | grep adp Mar 21 22:37:53 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:37:55 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:37:57 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:37:59 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:44:35 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:44:38 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:44:39 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:44:41 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:49:48 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found Mar 21 22:54:19 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver module not found
C. Hearn wrote: > On Mar 21, 10:53 pm, Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> C. Hearn wrote:
>>> So, I installed both SUNWadp and CADP160. Problem is, I still can't >>> see my SCSI hard drives. Am I missing something? >> Are there any entries relating to the driver in /var/adm/messages after >> rebooting?
> Yes, I'm seeing this:
> cat /var/adm/messages | grep adp > Mar 21 22:37:53 unix: [ID 469452 kern.info] NOTICE: adp: 64-bit driver > module not found
So it looks like you have a 64 bit system after all. 32 bit drivers only work with a 32 bit kernel.
> So it looks like you have a 64 bit system after all. 32 bit drivers > only work with a 32 bit kernel.
I thought I was in a 32-bit kernel because "uname -a" returned this: "SunOS host 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris". I did more digging then realized that's not an accurate way to tell which kernel you're using, but rather to use "isainfo -b", which will show eithe 32 or 64.
So, to boot into 32-bit mode, I just removed the $ISADIR line from / rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst. Is there a better way to do this?
Luckily now, I see the drives!!:
~$ dmesg | grep adp Mar 22 08:27:01 pci_pci: [ID 370704 kern.info] PCI-device: pci9004,7881@9, adp0 Mar 22 08:27:01 genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] adp0 is /pci@0,0/ pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9 Mar 22 08:28:17 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd2 at adp0: target 0 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:17 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd3 at adp0: target 1 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:17 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd4 at adp0: target 2 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:18 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd5 at adp0: target 3 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:18 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd6 at adp0: target 4 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:18 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd7 at adp0: target 5 lun 0 Mar 22 08:28:18 scsi: [ID 193665 kern.info] sd8 at adp0: target 6 lun 0
~$ pfexec format Searching for disks...done
c6t0d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t1d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t2d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t3d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t4d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t5d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB c6t6d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB
AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS: 0. c4d0 <DEFAULT cyl 9726 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63> /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@0/cmdk@0,0 1. c6t0d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@0,0 2. c6t1d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@1,0 3. c6t2d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@2,0 4. c6t3d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@3,0 5. c6t4d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@4,0 6. c6t5d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0002 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@5,0 7. c6t6d0 <SEAGATE-ST173404LC-0004 cyl 14087 alt 2 hd 24 sec 424> /pci@0,0/pci8086,244e@1e/pci9004,7881@9/sd@6,0
C. Hearn wrote: >> So it looks like you have a 64 bit system after all. 32 bit drivers >> only work with a 32 bit kernel.
> I thought I was in a 32-bit kernel because "uname -a" returned this: > "SunOS host 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris". I did more > digging then realized that's not an accurate way to tell which kernel > you're using, but rather to use "isainfo -b", which will show eithe 32 > or 64.
> So, to boot into 32-bit mode, I just removed the $ISADIR line from / > rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst. Is there a better way to do this?
I don't know, I replaced my 32 bit only cards.
> c6t0d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t1d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t2d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t3d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t4d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t5d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > c6t6d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > Now, off to create my raidz pool!
You really should look at replacing the controller with one with a 64 bit driver (LSI?). ZFS performance will suffer badly on a 32 system.
> C. Hearn wrote: > >> So it looks like you have a 64 bit system after all. 32 bit drivers > >> only work with a 32 bit kernel.
> > I thought I was in a 32-bit kernel because "uname -a" returned this: > > "SunOS host 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris". I did more > > digging then realized that's not an accurate way to tell which kernel > > you're using, but rather to use "isainfo -b", which will show eithe 32 > > or 64.
> > So, to boot into 32-bit mode, I just removed the $ISADIR line from / > > rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst. Is there a better way to do this?
> I don't know, I replaced my 32 bit only cards.
> > c6t0d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t1d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t2d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t3d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t4d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t5d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > c6t6d0: configured with capacity of 68.35GB > > Now, off to create my raidz pool!
> You really should look at replacing the controller with one with a 64 > bit driver (LSI?). ZFS performance will suffer badly on a 32 system.
The most important thing is, it's working! My main goal was to get it working and learn how to use OpenSolaris. I started from scratch again, getting the SUNWadp driver from the SXCE DVD. I have a 400GB ZFS raidz pool with a 100GB volume shared via iscsi which I've backed my laptop up to. Performance was better than my Linux/mdraid/AFP setup. I will see if I cam come across a SCSI card with a compatible 64-bit driver. If I swap the two out, will I have to re-create my zpool?
"C. Hearn" <che...@gmail.com> writes: >The most important thing is, it's working! My main goal was to get it >working and learn how to use OpenSolaris. I started from scratch >again, getting the SUNWadp driver from the SXCE DVD. I have a 400GB >ZFS raidz pool with a 100GB volume shared via iscsi which I've backed >my laptop up to. Performance was better than my Linux/mdraid/AFP >setup. I will see if I cam come across a SCSI card with a compatible >64-bit driver. If I swap the two out, will I have to re-create my >zpool?
If both devices support the disks "as they are", then you can use the disks. But some cards, specifically those which support RAID, might take a bit of the end of the disk.
Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth.
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