Re: totally new not dived in yet
hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> How many DVD's will I need?
Just one. Or none, if you install into VirtualBox.
> sun says to leave windows on the laptop, install
> and run virtualbox.
> Install Solaris from it and use it to switch back and forth from Solaris
Install Solaris *INTO* it. VirtualBox simulates an entire running computer
inside a window on your Windows machine.
> Have a linksys wireless router and a wireless internet connection.
> Will those work with Solaris?
Yes, but with VirtualBox it won't care. It'll NAT using your Windows
ethernet device using a "virtual" ethernet card inside the VM.
> I plan to just install solaris in a folder (under windows) on the first
> partition, and not give it , it's own partition. Will this work.
Yes, VirtualBox will ask you where it should create the virtual hard drive
image. Keep in mind you'll probably want to give it anywhere from 8G to
16G for the image.
> Is the extraction and install basically straight forward, with wizards
> and such, or should I download and print the directions before I begin?
There's some (minor) tricks. I don't know if the newest Solaris 10 x86
(Are you referring to Solaris 10, or OpenSolaris? They're different) has
ZFS boot/root support in the graphical installer. If you have a choice,
go for ZFS root.
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hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> I downloaded this Iso image sol-10-u8-ga-x86-dvd
> do I first have to record it to a dvd, and then back to Virtual box?
> Or just extract the image from virtual box? new to this style of doing
No need to burn that to DVD. It's a DVD image... Virtualbox knows how to
mount it. There will be an option to configure a CDROM/DVDROM when you
create the virtual machine... just point it to that downloaded image.
> Currently I have 36 gig available on C will that be enough, remember I will
> need a few programs to use with Solaris.
36G is plenty. I'd give it 16G.
>> See above statement for the version I downloaded. I do know suns tech rep
> recommended this version as it has ZFS file system.
Solaris 10 has supported ZFS for a long time... I just don't know if the
Solaris graphical installer supports ZFS root. (I always install via
Jumpstart...)
> Will need a good picture viewer / editor and movie player
> I use xnview as viewer and VLC as movie player.
A movie player will work, but keep in mind that it may not work that well
inside a virtual machine. No matter its other weaknesses, Windows is a
very strong multimedia platform.
> Will need a pre configured database, for my sideline of renting equipment.
> I could design my own, but such a pain, and not much time.
Solaris comes with PostgreSQL. You'll still need to configure some things,
like initial users.
Oscar del Rio
> have a gateway laptop with vista 64
> Have not liked windows or bill gates for a long time.
> Is Solaris any better? Guess we will find out.
You might want to try the latest OpenSolaris. It should have better
hardware support than Solaris 10.
You can get it at
hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> Am I just telling VM to look for a virtual cdrom (the iso image), instead
> of a physical one?
Yes, exactly.
> computer, and I will be accessing it through VM. Do I need to use the ISO
> extraction and subsequent installation process to "create" a partition of
> approximately 16 gig on my existing C:\ drive, and install the Sun O/S
> there? So it would be in it's own "root" partition. Is that what you are
> saying?
The virtual machine will create a single large file. It takes that file
and presents it to the guest OS as if it was a single, blank hard drive.
In exactly the same way as it presents the ISO file as a virtual CDROM.
Keep in mind that your installation of Windows may have problems creating
files larger than 4G.
> If I do it that way, will windows then recognize that partition, to access
> any data stored on it, or will it be invisible to windows.
No, Windows will only see it as a single large file.
> I understand (I think) that I boot my laptop up normally to do windows
> work, then I start VM to access Sun O/S to use it, and windows will be idle
> in the background.
No, Windows is the "host" operating system, and is running all the time.
> With V/M and SUN running, I will be able to access data created and stored
> via windows, and some of my windows programs may run under the SUN O/S,
> Is that correct?
No. The virtual machine has no knowledge of the host (that's deliberate),
and the guest OS is simply an application running on the host.
> What is Jumpstart, is in in V/M or part of the SUN ISO image when it is
> extracted and ran?
Jumpstart is an automated, non-graphical install method used in enterprise
environments. It requires an existing machine to serve the install
environment. Once set up it lets you install a machine - or a hundred
machines - in minutes. But it definitely is not for the new user.
> If I receive a video clip via news, or email, I can save it on the computer
> and then access it either through SUN O/S with a player for Sun or go to
> windows and use a windows player.
If you save it inside the Solaris environment, you'll need to figure out
how to access it from Windows. Remember, Windows doesn't know how to access
the virtual hard drive. VirtualBox has the idea of shared folders, but
you'll still need to figure out how to access them from inside the Solaris
environment.
Keep in mind that once you have Virtualbox installed, you are NOT limited
to running Solaris inside it. You can install Linux, a new Windows instance
(yes, you can have a virtual Windows machine running on a real Windows
machine), and perhaps even some of the hacked versions of MacOS X.
If you're more familiar with Windows, I would actually recommend trying to
install Windows inside a virtual machine. You can destroy it when you are
done (very easily) and gain practice.
> Many pictures are square bordered, but the actual content is circular (like
> a decal). Can you recommend a editor that will allow cropping in a full
> circle, not just the square, for the Sun O/S? xnview doesn't do it.
No idea. I don't do graphical design.
hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> I was intending to do the open solaris 10
There is no such thing as OpenSolaris 10. There's Solaris 10, which is
the full, enterprise-ready product offering from Sun, and then there's
OpenSolaris (sometimes called Indiana) which is the active-development,
open-source implementation.
OpenSolaris is where current development is happening. This means it can
differ quite a bit from Solaris. It can be less stable. It can be far more
user-friendly, and sometimes far more Linux-like (some purists hate it
because of that).
Solaris is the "big iron" operating system. While friendlier than most other
enterprise-grade operating systems, it assumes that you are doing something
very important and thus you know what you're doing. It says out of your way
so that you can do anything you want - this can be bad if you don't know
what you want to do.
If you're developing for a Solaris platform, or simply learning to be a
big-iron administrator, you'll want to Solaris. If you're simply learning
how to use a new desktop OS, you'll want OpenSolaris.
Oscar del Rio
> As I said I believe I d/led Open solaris as it was free.
Solaris 10 is also free!
Richard B. Gilbert
> Oscar del Rio <del...@mie.utoronto.ca> wrote in news:heiabp$cam$1...@news.mie:
>
>> My name wrote:
>>
>>> As I said I believe I d/led Open solaris as it was free.
>> Solaris 10 is also free!
>>
I think there MAY be a modest charge if you want the Media (DVD) kit.
Either way it's a real bargain. If you want to download the kit it's
free. I've always purchased the media kit; it's not terribly expensive
and you do have the DVD you can boot from at any time. Home made CDs
and DVDs have proved to be less than totally reliable; some drives read
them without problems and others will not.
--
draco vulgaris
Oscar del Rio
> Many pictures are square bordered, but the actual content is circular (like
> a decal). Can you recommend a editor that will allow cropping in a full
> circle, not just the square, for the Sun O/S? xnview doesn't do it.
OpenSolaris includes GIMP, which should be able to do that and much more.
Richard B. Gilbert
> have a gateway laptop with vista 64
> Have not liked windows or bill gates for a long time.
> Is Solaris any better? Guess we will find out.
> I have dvd drive in laptop.
> I have the iso files for newest solaris.
> How many DVD's will I need?
> and run virtualbox.
> Install Solaris from it and use it to switch back and forth from Solaris
> comfortable with Solaris and find the programs I need.
> I have an Epson NX515 all in one printer/ copier/faq. Don't use the faq.
> Have a linksys wireless router and a wireless internet connection.
> Will those work with Solaris?
>
> MY hard drive is two partitions, both 3/4 or so full.
> I plan to just install solaris in a folder (under windows) on the first
> partition, and not give it , it's own partition. Will this work.
>
> Is the extraction and install basically straight forward, with wizards
> and such, or should I download and print the directions before I begin?
> Want to clean as many files off the drives as I can before I start.
>
> thanks
Installing Solaris, if not idiot proof, comes close. Installing Windows
is also almost idiot proof. Building a system to dual boot Solaris and
Windows is somewhat more complicated. ISTR that you install Windows
FIRST and use fdisk to partition the disk. You can then install Solaris
in the unused partition. It has been six or seven years since I last
dealt with such a system. The world moves on and my recollections may
be ancient history or, I may have forgotten significant details. Also,
there have been at least two major releases of both Windows and Solaris
since then.
You have been warned!
Barry OGrady
I installed Solaris 10 and Windows 7 on a Sunfire X2100.
It boots to a Solaris menu from which I can select Solaris or Windows.
Solaris is installed on one hard drive and Windows on the other.
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Barry OGrady
wrote:
I have installed the latest Solaris 10 in Virtual Box on a PC with an
AMD Athlon 2.7Ghz dual core and 2G RAM.
The install worked up to the point where I entered the name for the
eithernet port. Because I used an _ in the name it gave me an error
message but would not allow me to change the name. I clicked on the x
and the installation continued. Later it asked for the network
information and now it is working but without network access.
How can I fix the networking?
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Barry
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hume.sp...@bofh.ca
> The install worked up to the point where I entered the name for the
> eithernet port. Because I used an _ in the name it gave me an error
Solaris doesn't ask for a name for the ethernet... do you mean it asked
for a hostname?
> and the installation continued. Later it asked for the network
> information and now it is working but without network access.
> How can I fix the networking?
Log into the machine as root, do a "sys-unconfig". Then reboot. It'll do
the questions all over again once it comes back up. Read the sys-unconfig
manpage first to see what it touches... it'll undo any network configuration
you've tried, and I believe it deletes all custom users as well. I'm
assuming you haven't done much configuration to the VM yet.
Barry OGrady
wrote:
Thanks for that. I got it working by changing the network setting in
VB to bridged.
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Barry
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