Is Sun a dying Company, Solaris an obsolete (almost) OS?
Sam_Benner
I have been a user of Sun and Solaris for a over ten years. I am also an
investor in Sun (bought 2,000 shares at 32.50 a couple of years ago).
Lately, I have been wondering about Sun's future. I think it has none.
I have seen Sun quality go down over the years and product offering reduced:
- Almost every Netra 20 that was bought by my company from Sun had serious
problems: not booting up at all, DVD not working, etc. Week long visit from
Sun techs were needed to fix the darn boxes.
- It is a joke how quickly Sun obsoletes its equipment. I don't want to
offend other people out there, but it seems like you buy a box from Sun and
it is declared obsolete within a few months. This results in many different
configurations that one has to maintain.
- Linux is making some incredible additions that Sun never seem to have
thought of adding to Solaris. (check out the osdl website).
- Processor speed always lags behind Intel. SMP is not always the answer.
- Start Office. What a piece of crap this software is. Even Sun employees
say so, but Sun spent billions acquiring this worthless office suite.
- Linux is widely understood thanks to the open source availability. Sun
made its source code available, after one had to sign documents to receive
it. Then they put some morons handling it who couldn't read.
- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
- No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this equipment
for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult it
is to get a PO cut for one thing, and now one has to have two items
approved, signed, two separate POs cut, two separate orders placed etc.
- Sun is too lazy to even install CDROM drives, tape drives etc in the Sun
boxes. They charge for this service after they have the nerve to charge an
arm and a leg for their equipment.
We used to buy millions of dollars of Sun equipment every year, but now we
are moving towards Intel boxes running Solaris. It is sad to see Sun killing
itself. Maybe Sun CEO can stop obsessing about Bill Gates and start thinking
about running his company and actually making a penny or two of profit for
the stock holders.
Greg Menke
"Sam_Benner" <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> - It is a joke how quickly Sun obsoletes its equipment. I don't want to
> offend other people out there, but it seems like you buy a box from Sun and
> it is declared obsolete within a few months. This results in many different
> configurations that one has to maintain.
Obsolete isn't unsupported. Solaris 9 runs just fine on lots of old
hardware. If you have a proliferation of types of hardware to
support, thats not Sun's fault. Perhaps you've been buying equipment
off old product lines.
> - Linux is making some incredible additions that Sun never seem to have
> thought of adding to Solaris. (check out the osdl website).
Its true that Linux has improved a lot. Its also true it has a ways
to go. For instance, I've yet to see anything in Linux remotely close
to the Fair Share scheduling and Resource features that come standard
in Solaris 9. Perhaps the ascendency of Linux will help keep Sun
actively enhancing Solaris. I hope so because I like Solaris and
Linux a lot. Sun Linux seems a bit of a silly idea, but if it
contributes something back to Linux development, then I'm completely
in favor of it.
> - Processor speed always lags behind Intel. SMP is not always the answer.
Processor speed isn't always performance. I have a dual 300 Ultra 2
as my workstation- with the identical scsi-2 hard disk and benchmark,
it achieves nearly 3* the throughput than my dual 466 Celeron running
Linux. Presumably I have a somewhat slow card in the Linux box- but
it can't all be due to that either.
> - Linux is widely understood thanks to the open source availability. Sun
> made its source code available, after one had to sign documents to receive
> it. Then they put some morons handling it who couldn't read.
This can hardly be a criticism of Sun as such- they're in the business
of selling an OS and/or hardware. Perhaps your point would equally
apply to Apple, IBM and Microsoft- and they will certainly have their
own shares of idiots at the helm and they're all more or less closed
source.
Sun makes a LOT of documentation available right online, no stupid
logins or other silliness required. Want to set up ipqos on Solaris
9? docs.sun.com will produce it right off- if you want to do that for
Linux, you have to wade thru gazillions of howto mirrors, some
obsolete some not, then distill the particular kernel versions that do
and don't have the particular feature you want, then upgrade/fiddle
with yours to work towards enabling it- and maybe its not working yet
anyway.
For this reason alone, I value Sun for having put the effort into
making so much well structured and indexed information available so
easily. For me, it means I'll probably think of Solaris first for a
variety of tasks- simply because its less work to track down the info
I need.
> - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
Yes, so? Microsoft seems to think we need their own particular layout
also. Having the control key near your pinky is a really great idea
once you get used to it. If the location of a key is a problem for
your sysadmins then it may be time for new sysadmins.
I don't mean to say Sun is above criticism, but I think the points you
raise may not be where many of the issues exist.
Gregm
Timothy J. Lee
Last I checked, Sun had different keyboards with different layouts
(e.g. a "Unix" keyboard with the control key next the 'A' key, and
some other keyboard that is laid out like a typical PC keyboard).
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Dave Uhring
> In article <0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>
> Last I checked, Sun had different keyboards with different layouts
> (e.g. a "Unix" keyboard with the control key next the 'A' key, and
> some other keyboard that is laid out like a typical PC keyboard).
Some people just prefer to have "Windows" keys. My Type 5C keyboard does
not even have an "Enter" key; it's marked "Return" and I like it that way.
A wheel mouse would be nice, though ;-)
GreyCloud
>
>
> > - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>
> Yes, so? Microsoft seems to think we need their own particular layout
> also. Having the control key near your pinky is a really great idea
> once you get used to it. If the location of a key is a problem for
> your sysadmins then it may be time for new sysadmins.
>
When you look at the Emacs command use of the control key it
makes a lot of sense.
Sun is still pulling a profit. The market overall isn't in
that great a shape either.
Suzie Ormans' advice is to get out of the stock market for
now until the dust has settled.
Rich Teer
> Some people just prefer to have "Windows" keys. My Type 5C keyboard does
> not even have an "Enter" key; it's marked "Return" and I like it that way.
What the label on the key below "+" on the numeric keypad
say? :-)
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Dave Uhring
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Dave Uhring wrote:
>
>> Some people just prefer to have "Windows" keys. My Type 5C keyboard does
>> not even have an "Enter" key; it's marked "Return" and I like it that way.
>
> What the label on the key below "+" on the numeric keypad
> say? :-)
AAAAACCCKKKKK!
Time to pick up a label kit. That any key needs one too.
Rev. Don Kool
Timothy J. Lee wrote:
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
> Last I checked, Sun had different keyboards with different layouts
> (e.g. a "Unix" keyboard
"Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed a
keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
"UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
public. :-(
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
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Erik Magnuson
>On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Dave Uhring wrote:
>
>> Some people just prefer to have "Windows" keys. My Type 5C keyboard does
>> not even have an "Enter" key; it's marked "Return" and I like it that way.
>
>What the label on the key below "+" on the numeric keypad
>say? :-)
>
Except that the "Enter" and "Return" keys are treated differently by some
applications (e.g. NEdit).
What I find even more annoying than the PeeCee control key location is the
random placement of the ~ key on PeeCee keyboards.
Erik Magnuson
== erik AT cts DOT com ==
Another satisfied nedit user
Running UNIX since 1992
Scott Howard
> I have seen Sun quality go down over the years and product offering reduced:
>
> - Almost every Netra 20 that was bought by my company from Sun had serious
> problems: not booting up at all, DVD not working, etc. Week long visit from
> Sun techs were needed to fix the darn boxes.
This is defintiely not the norm in my experience. I'd suggest you talk to
your Sun account manager regarding this to try and find out what the
problem was.
> - It is a joke how quickly Sun obsoletes its equipment. I don't want to
> offend other people out there, but it seems like you buy a box from Sun and
> it is declared obsolete within a few months. This results in many different
> configurations that one has to maintain.
The shortest shelf-life of any Sun box I can think of was the Netra X1,
which was around for 18 months (and even then was replaced by a very near
equivalent box). The E220/420 were around for 3 years, and the
E450/3500/4500 for a full 5 years. Add to this another 5 years of full
support after the product is discontinued for _all_ machines and you're
talking up to 10 years of supported life for a box.
On top of this most servers are not discontinued until several months
(or more) after the replacement is released. eg, the SF280R was released
in March 2001, but the system it replaced, the E220R, is still shipping
until March 2003! The SF15K was released over 12 months ago, but the
E10K is still available!
Even the Sun Blade 100 and Blade 150's had an overlap of over 3 months,
despite the fact they are very similar machines.
> - Start Office. What a piece of crap this software is. Even Sun employees
> say so, but Sun spent billions acquiring this worthless office suite.
"Billions"? I think you'll find it was more like $73.5 million. I will
agree that SO 5.2 was a little buggy, but 6.0 is a big step forward.
Personally I use Staroffice most every day and find it quite reliable.
> - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
Sun has a number of different keyboard layouts, for a number of differnet
languages. If you don't like the "Unix" layout, then just order a "PC"
layout. This isn't exactly rocket science.
> - No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this equipment
> for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult it
I'm not sure what you mean by "for 50x the price on a PC". Most any PC
CD-R or DVD-R should work under Solaris.
> - Sun is too lazy to even install CDROM drives, tape drives etc in the Sun
> boxes. They charge for this service after they have the nerve to charge an
> arm and a leg for their equipment.
Again it sounds to me like you need to have a chat to your account manager,
or to your reseller if you go through one. I'm guessing you're one of these
people who wants a machine built to your exact spec, and need it delivered
yesterday...
Scott.
Akop Pogosian
> Folks,
> I have been a user of Sun and Solaris for a over ten years. I am also an
> investor in Sun (bought 2,000 shares at 32.50 a couple of years ago).
> Lately, I have been wondering about Sun's future. I think it has none.
> I have seen Sun quality go down over the years and product offering reduced:
> - It is a joke how quickly Sun obsoletes its equipment. I don't want to
> offend other people out there, but it seems like you buy a box from Sun and
> it is declared obsolete within a few months. This results in many different
> configurations that one has to maintain.
This hasn't been our experience. It seems to me that Sun typically
keeps a hardware product available for three to five years before
stopping selling it. If you noticed that Sun stopped offering the
server that you bought months ago, you almost likely have been buying
the wrong kind (the outdated kind) of server.. By the way, have you
looked at how fast the PC vendors obsolete their equipment?
> - Linux is making some incredible additions that Sun never seem to have
> thought of adding to Solaris. (check out the osdl website).
Sun has also added some great additions to Solaris in the past many of
which can't be found in Linux. Check the docs.sun.com site for
details.
> - Processor speed always lags behind Intel. SMP is not always the answer.
> - Start Office. What a piece of crap this software is. Even Sun employees
> say so, but Sun spent billions acquiring this worthless office suite.
This hasn't been my experience after StarOffice 6 release. Have you
tried StarOffice 6.0 yet? It has been getting pretty good reviews.
> - Linux is widely understood thanks to the open source availability. Sun
> made its source code available, after one had to sign documents to receive
> it. Then they put some morons handling it who couldn't read.
Does Sun not provide the documentation and other assistance with this?
Which aspects of Solaris are not understood? By the way, if you were
so anxious to see the SunOS source, you could have downloaded it when
Sun has made Solaris 8 FCS source code available for free in the past
and it has been a success. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually
release Solaris 9 source code too.
> - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
Which is a great keyboard layout. I'll take it over the PC keyboard.
> - No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this equipment
> for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult it
> is to get a PO cut for one thing, and now one has to have two items
> approved, signed, two separate POs cut, two separate orders placed etc.
If it's so hard to prepare a PO for a $200 CDRW drive that you would
come and rant about it on this newsgroup, your company should probably
review its procedures.
You won't get a cookie this time. Nice troll attempt though.
-akop
Casper H.S. Dik
>> - Sun is too lazy to even install CDROM drives, tape drives etc in the Sun
>> boxes. They charge for this service after they have the nerve to charge an
>> arm and a leg for their equipment.
>Again it sounds to me like you need to have a chat to your account manager,
>or to your reseller if you go through one. I'm guessing you're one of these
>people who wants a machine built to your exact spec, and need it delivered
>yesterday...
Typically you can order options as Xoptions which comes in separate boxes
or as Coptions which are installed in the system.
Casper
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Anthony Mandic
George Bush and wrote:
>
> "Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed a
> keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
> "UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
> public. :-(
Last I checked, you couldn't spec Sun keyboards and still can't.
And some more advice for you sonny, UNIX doesn't have a copyright
holder. Why would someone who makes fire extinguishers bother
(http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/mac/unix-extinguisher.jpg)
with a copyright?
Or perhaps you meant the English UNIX sectional bookcases?
(http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/bwkbookcase.jpg)
Or maybe you meant this - http://lars.nocrew.org/unix_line_1.jpg
in which case you should make yourself clear kid, because you
might have confused us with UNIX glue
(http://jumi.lut.fi/ruut/images/unixliima.jpg) or highlighter
pens (http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/pictures/unix-line-memory.jpg).
Then again, little boy, you might have meant UNIX massage chairs
(http://www.thefactoryoutlet.com/massagechair7.htm) but, seeing as
how you pretend to be a man of the cloth to entrap your victims,
the UNIX massage shop in North Hollywood, CA, USA, is probably
more your style - although we understand you prefer kids your
own age. You might also have meant the Unix Electric Co. of
South Korea (http://www.unix-elec.co.kr/) or perhaps the UNIX
hairdressers in Brazil (http://www.hzta.com.br/unixcabeleireiro/).
You might also have meant this -
http://www.dagbrown.com/unix_the_supermodel.jpg
But I doubt you probably meant this - http://www.unionmetals.co.kr/
So, which one did you mean kid?
-am © 2003
Joerg Schilling
Timothy J. Lee <remo...@sonic.net> wrote:
>In article <0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
>Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>
>Last I checked, Sun had different keyboards with different layouts
>(e.g. a "Unix" keyboard with the control key next the 'A' key, and
>some other keyboard that is laid out like a typical PC keyboard).
True sincs at least 1992 ...
Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
Sun gives you the choice.
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Rev. Don Kool
Anthony Mandic wrote:
> The ignorant and ill-informed "Rev. Don Fool" took time out from fellating
> George Bush and wrote:
>
>> "Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed a
>>keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
>>"UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
>>public. :-(
>
>
> Last I checked,
There is no such thing as a "UNIX keyboard".
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Timothy J. Lee <remo...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>>Last I checked, Sun had different keyboards with different layouts
>>(e.g. a "Unix" keyboard with the control key next the 'A' key, and
>>some other keyboard that is laid out like a typical PC keyboard).
> True sincs at least 1992 ...
>
> Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
> Sun gives you
crap.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Joerg Schilling
Akop Pogosian <akopps...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> - No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this equipment
>> for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult it
>> is to get a PO cut for one thing, and now one has to have two items
>> approved, signed, two separate POs cut, two separate orders placed etc.
>
>If it's so hard to prepare a PO for a $200 CDRW drive that you would
>come and rant about it on this newsgroup, your company should probably
>review its procedures.
A Yamaha F-1 (the latest model from Yamaha) is 65 Euro, a DVD writer is
available starting from 240 Euro.
Casper H.S. Dik
>Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
Yes, the Sun Type-6 USB keyboard (with the "proper" layout)
Dave Uhring
> In article <pan.2003.01.26....@yahoo.com>, Dave Uhring
> <daveu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Time to pick up a label kit. That any key needs one too.
>
>
> OK, but which key is the "any key"?
Unlabeled key between Help and F1. Used when the instructions tell you to
now hit "any key" ;-)
Sam_Benner
news:3E3387B3...@start.com.au...
> The ignorant and ill-informed "Rev. Don Fool" took time out from fellating
> George Bush and wrote:
> >
> > "Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed a
> > keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
> > "UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
> > public. :-(
>
> Last I checked, you couldn't spec Sun keyboards and still can't.
You mean like buying Sun hardware and Sun Software from Sun and still
backspace key not working? You still have do a stty erase ^H. Sun software
doesn't even work with its own hardware. Can you get more pathetic than
that?
Sam_Benner
news:b107ju$edt$1...@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>
> Which is a great keyboard layout. I'll take it over the PC keyboard.
Pearls before a swine.
>
> > - No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this
equipment
> > for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult
it
> > is to get a PO cut for one thing, and now one has to have two items
> > approved, signed, two separate POs cut, two separate orders placed etc.
>
> If it's so hard to prepare a PO for a $200 CDRW drive that you would
> come and rant about it on this newsgroup, your company should probably
> review its procedures.
Yeah, you want me to buy some cheapo Fry's electronic cdrw and put it my
system. The sunstore offers links to sites with 10,000 dvd-rw. As far as
reviewing procedures is concerned, if Sun needs business it better offer
what its customers want. Sun is dead. Your skills will be obsolete in no
time soon.
>
> You won't get a cookie this time. Nice troll attempt though.
What are you talking about moron? Does that asshole Teer has really
brainwashed all you feeble minded people that everything looks like a "troll
attempt." Develop some independent thinking. I offered some valuable
criticism for Sun. It would be hard for you to understand, but such feedback
is provided for betterment.
BTW, asshole Teer once begged me for a job. I rejected of course. Don't
follow his footsteps.
>
> -akop
Sam_Benner
news:1043567243.465633@docbert...
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > - Sun is too lazy to even install CDROM drives, tape drives etc in the
Sun
> > boxes. They charge for this service after they have the nerve to charge
an
> > arm and a leg for their equipment.
>
> Again it sounds to me like you need to have a chat to your account
manager,
> or to your reseller if you go through one. I'm guessing you're one of
these
> people who wants a machine built to your exact spec, and need it delivered
> yesterday...
Not usually. The problem is that I have talked to the Sun account manager,
and they don't really care. Once in a while we need a system ASAP. E.g. at
the end of the year we did request Sun to ship something in 5 days instead
of 8 days they quoted. Sun wouldn't budge. Cisco on the other hand will bend
over backwards when asked to meet an important deadline. Sun used to be very
responsive, but lately I miss the old Sun.
As far as the Netra 20, every single one (~10) had problems and Sun tech had
to be called.
Steve Kappel
> Not usually. The problem is that I have talked to the Sun account manager,
> and they don't really care. Once in a while we need a system ASAP. E.g. at
> the end of the year we did request Sun to ship something in 5 days instead
> of 8 days they quoted. Sun wouldn't budge. Cisco on the other hand will bend
> over backwards when asked to meet an important deadline. Sun used to be very
> responsive, but lately I miss the old Sun.
Sun uses just in time manufacturing. If they didn't everyone would
pay more. How does Dell do when you ask to bypass their normal
delivery schedule?
Maybe Cisco has warehouses full of things.
Sam_Benner
news:slrnb382u6....@isis.visi.com...
Cisco doesn't. They use just in time manufacturing as well. The example I
gave above, they had to especially manufacture equipment for us. And it was
done right before Christmas. Excellent, excellent response to our needs.
Mike Jones
@yahoo.com says...
How much do you spend with Cisco yearly? With Sun?
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Sam_Benner
news:MPG.189debdab...@news.nycap.rr.com...
More with Sun than Cisco. Total was over 10 Mil.
Joerg Schilling
Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You mean like buying Sun hardware and Sun Software from Sun and still
>backspace key not working? You still have do a stty erase ^H. Sun software
>doesn't even work with its own hardware. Can you get more pathetic than
>that?
Do you understand English? I assume not....
Backspace means space backwards and not erase.
Delete is the right key to erase.
On the other side, it's a prostration to the PC kbd layout from Sun to
place the backspace key where the delete key should be. The reason why
similar junk makes no problems on Linux is caused by the fact that the Linux
xterm silently maps the backspace key to DEL.
Sam_Benner
news:b1196r$e11$1...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de...
> In article <7SSY9.17453$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >You mean like buying Sun hardware and Sun Software from Sun and still
> >backspace key not working? You still have do a stty erase ^H. Sun
software
> >doesn't even work with its own hardware. Can you get more pathetic than
> >that?
>
> Do you understand English? I assume not....
>
> Backspace means space backwards and not erase.
OK. Except how does ^H gives me a backspace if you are going to be purist
about it?
>
> Delete is the right key to erase.
>
> On the other side, it's a prostration to the PC kbd layout from Sun to
> place the backspace key where the delete key should be. The reason why
> similar junk makes no problems on Linux is caused by the fact that the
Linux
> xterm silently maps the backspace key to DEL.
OK, I can go along with that. But still please explain how does placing a ^H
on the screen when I press backspace gives me a back space? One more point.
The backspace key is the one with <|X| on a sun keyboard.
Lon Stowell
already knew that.
Regards, etc.
Lon Stowell
> j...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) writes:
>
>
>>Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
>
to acess a buncha Sun's, just borrowed the Sun
keyboard from one, and while at it, that nice
big monitor.
Peter Knaggs
> j...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) writes:
>
>
>>Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
>
>
> Yes, the Sun Type-6 USB keyboard (with the "proper" layout)
>
to send this message. Not only that, but I am also using a MiscroSnot
floptical mouse (USB) on my Sun. This allows me to use a USB KVM to
switch between all my kit Sun/PC/Mac.
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Rich Teer
> BTW, asshole Teer once begged me for a job. I rejected of course. Don't
> follow his footsteps.
I don't recall asking you for a job - and I've NEVER "begged"
someone for a job. Please post your evidence, or at least
your company name, so that I can refute or concur with your
claim publically.
You're calling me an asshole, yet you're a clueless Linux fanatic
that thinks M$ has actually done a lot to help advance computers?!
Been hit by a virus recently? I laugh in the face of your feebleness.
So, you think that Linux r00lz, yet you use Outhose to post.
At least most other Linux advocates stand behind their words,
and use a Linux machine to post. No matter how misguided I
think those people are, at least they stand by their convictions.
Not only are you a drooling Linux fool, but you're a hypocritical
one.
--
Rich Teer
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-online.net
Akop Pogosian
> Pearls before a swine.
Guess what. Your posting using inflamatory language and name calling
shows your lack of netiquette and automatically qualifies you as troll
regardless on what your original intention was.
-akop
Shawn
Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> forecasts the downfall of SUNW based on:
>
>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
Damn, you're right. As a seasoned Sun luser (and investor), your deep insight
into the horrendous injustice Sun has committed by forcing a non-standard (as
determined by MSFT) keyboard layout on its users is not lost on us.
Have you mentioned this to Scott? I'm sure he'd be all ears.
Oh, and have you met Rev. Don Fool?
Shawn
--
sha...@rpcbind.org
"Loose with the truth, baby it's your fire, but baby don't get burned."
Sam_Benner
news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0301261744050.21985-100000@electron...
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Sam_Benner wrote:
>
> > BTW, asshole Teer once begged me for a job. I rejected of course. Don't
> > follow his footsteps.
>
> I don't recall asking you for a job - and I've NEVER "begged"
> someone for a job. Please post your evidence, or at least
> your company name, so that I can refute or concur with your
> claim publically.
We both know the truth. Does Unix Internals ring a bell?
>
> You're calling me an asshole,
You called me a troll when all I was doing was offering my honest opinion
based on a comparative study on this subject. No, I can't make that study
public since it is proprietary.
> yet you're a clueless Linux fanatic
> that thinks M$ has actually done a lot to help advance computers?!
> Been hit by a virus recently? I laugh in the face of your feebleness.
No, I have not been hit by a virus lately. Microsoft, Ebay, Google etc have
fundamentally influenced people's way of going about their every day life.
>
> So, you think that Linux r00lz, yet you use Outhose to post.
I only like Linux for the items I have highlighted in this thread. For non
technical use, I prefer MS software. I find Outlook to be better than rn,
xrn and even Netscape etc.
> At least most other Linux advocates stand behind their words,
> and use a Linux machine to post. No matter how misguided I
> think those people are, at least they stand by their convictions.
I think it would be foolish for me post using both Sun or a Linux machine.
You wouldn't find me coding in Windows environment. I just find Unix a lot
easier than windows interfaces, but perhaps Richard Stevens has something to
do with that. Such a tragedy that he is dead.
>
> Not only are you a drooling Linux fool, but you're a hypocritical
> one.
On given day, I use four flavors of Unices (calling Linux Unix might upset
you, but I am not trying to upset you): IRIX, Solaris, Linux and a
proprietary Unix. I also use Windows and Macintosh. I don't see any
hypocrisy in finding one platform better for one thing and another one
better for something else.
Sam_Benner
The same applies to you as well.
>
>
> -akop
Sam_Benner
news:b12cr4$nfr$1...@shiva.rpcbind.org...
> In article <0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> forecasts the downfall of SUNW based on:
> >
> >- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>
> Damn, you're right. As a seasoned Sun luser (and investor), your deep
insight
> into the horrendous injustice Sun has committed by forcing a non-standard
(as
> determined by MSFT) keyboard layout on its users is not lost on us.
Actually it was IBM not MSFT. Besides what is wrong with standardizing? A
brilliant idiot like you probably hates making things simpler.
>
> Have you mentioned this to Scott? I'm sure he'd be all ears.
>
> Oh, and have you met Rev. Don Fool?
No, but I have the misfortune of meeting you (thank God not in person for if
I did meet you in person I probably would be blinded by the brilliance of
your stupidity).
Rich Teer
> We both know the truth. Does Unix Internals ring a bell?
By Uresh Vahalia? Yep, I've got it. Looks like it's
not a bad book, though I've not got around to reading
it yet.
UNIX internals job? Nope, that doesn't ring any bells
either. The only job I've applied for in the last year
or so was one at a South Carolina company. And that was
definately NOT UNIX internals.
> You called me a troll when all I was doing was offering my honest opinion
You whole approach, name calling, etc., paints you as a troll.
The majority of your posts have yet to refute that. You've
called many people names in this newsgroup - many people who
are regulars here, and unlike you, seem to have a clue.
> I only like Linux for the items I have highlighted in this thread. For non
I've not read ALL of your banal posts, but I've yet to see
anything more than hyperbole coming form you. No technical
argument whatsoever.
> technical use, I prefer MS software. I find Outlook to be better than rn,
> xrn and even Netscape etc.
To each their own. Personally, I avoid M$ stuff at all costs.
> I think it would be foolish for me post using both Sun or a Linux machine.
Why?
> You wouldn't find me coding in Windows environment. I just find Unix a lot
> easier than windows interfaces, but perhaps Richard Stevens has something to
> do with that. Such a tragedy that he is dead.
That's about the first sensible thing you've posted, and FWIW,
I agree with you. I was fortunate enough to be one of the
people to be a technical reviewer for his last book: the
2nd edition of UNP v2.
> On given day, I use four flavors of Unices (calling Linux Unix might upset
I'm not that much of a pedant. :-)
> you, but I am not trying to upset you): IRIX, Solaris, Linux and a
You could've fooled me. I assume you've taken your medication
now...
> proprietary Unix. I also use Windows and Macintosh. I don't see any
> hypocrisy in finding one platform better for one thing and another one
> better for something else.
Nor do I.
Shawn
Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Shawn" <sha...@shiva.rpcbind.org> wrote in message
>news:b12cr4$nfr$1...@shiva.rpcbind.org...
>> In article <0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
>> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> forecasts the downfall of SUNW based on:
>> >
>> >- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
>>
>> Damn, you're right. As a seasoned Sun luser (and investor), your deep
>insight
>> into the horrendous injustice Sun has committed by forcing a non-standard
>(as
>> determined by MSFT) keyboard layout on its users is not lost on us.
>
>Actually it was IBM not MSFT. Besides what is wrong with standardizing? A
>brilliant idiot like you probably hates making things simpler.
>
>>
>> Have you mentioned this to Scott? I'm sure he'd be all ears.
>>
>> Oh, and have you met Rev. Don Fool?
>
>No, but I have the misfortune of meeting you (thank God not in person for if
>I did meet you in person I probably would be blinded by the brilliance of
>your stupidity).
We haven't had the misfortune of meeting yet, but if we ever do, you would be
be laughed out of the job interview within 5 minutes tops.
You are an amazing idiot.
Instead of a substantive list of Suns technical problems (which for anyone
who supposedly buys $10M in Sun gear every year could do) you talk about
keyboard layouts, StarOffice, and think Linux is a superior kernel.
Yes, quite an amazing idiot.
diomedes
entirely on your Sun access point and the relationship you have with them,
as a Sun iForce partner i can get items dispatched to me over night so long
as it's in the country, and any Xoption will come installed. I enjoy a
great relationship with my sun contacts and as a result my clients benefit
greatly.. maybe you just need to work on your people skills some..
as for Sun dying, i think in alot of areas it hasn't even started, Sun are
missing out on alot of markets due to poor management / policies... Sun also
need to pull THEIR margins into line, ie not giving end users discounts and
cutting it out of the resellers margin.
there has to be enough fat in it for the resellers because the turn over is
quite small, and frankly companies can go a good 10 years without needing to
replace their sun gear, i mainly turn over sun rays and workstations, not
servers. Suns lists prices are just too high, i think maybe Sun should aim
to be 50-60% more expensive then their rivals, that way it's still a premium
but not so much that it prices them out of the market.
Sun gear can be great Value for money if you buy it at the right time, also
you get alot of unwritten advantages with Sun that you don't get else where,
but these don't sell solutions.
Solaris is the best *nix i've ever worked with, for nicer then Linux,
HP-UX, or Irix.. it's biggist fall down at this point isn't commercial
packages or processor speeds, it's the serve lack of 3rd party
functionality. Sun can say all they want that it's not their job to provide
drivers, but it is. Linux support all manner of devices that Solaris can't
even blink at.. Firewire being a sore point.. why bother having the hardware
in the boxes if Solaris can't support it.
Matt
Anthony Mandic
> >> Oh, and have you met Rev. Don Fool?
> >
> >No, but I have the misfortune of meeting you (thank God not in person for if
> >I did meet you in person I probably would be blinded by the brilliance of
> >your stupidity).
>
> We haven't had the misfortune of meeting yet, but if we ever do, you would be
> be laughed out of the job interview within 5 minutes tops.
Well, if he can get his crappy Contax camera to work maybe he
could take his own photo and put it up somewhere so we can all
have a good laugh at the goober. But a job interview should
prove to be highly amusing. You could start by asking him about
this post of his -
> You are an amazing idiot.
He certainly is. Check this post of his out -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e837c23.0111240945.7e992af0%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
The FBI better keep an eye on him. Looks like he might be another
Al Qaeda undercover operative who infiltrated the US.
> Yes, quite an amazing idiot.
Yes, no denying it.
-am © 2003
Greg Menke
>
> Solaris is the best *nix i've ever worked with, for nicer then Linux,
> HP-UX, or Irix.. it's biggist fall down at this point isn't commercial
> packages or processor speeds, it's the serve lack of 3rd party
> functionality. Sun can say all they want that it's not their job to provide
> drivers, but it is. Linux support all manner of devices that Solaris can't
> even blink at.. Firewire being a sore point.. why bother having the hardware
> in the boxes if Solaris can't support it.
For example, it would be <really> nice if Sparc Solaris had native
support for the same set of ethernet boards the x86 Solaris does. It
turns out you can use particular versions of 3c95x pci boards with the
Performance Technologies driver, but that doesn't help with eepros and
other 3com boards.
Gregm
Joerg Schilling
If these boards are also available as PCI-II compliant versions, then
thare are the needed drivers.
Note that PC type PCI cards do not follow PCI-II because they do not include
the needed FORTH prom to identify properly. If you have a drive but the
board is missing the FORTH prom, then you may add a line in /etc/driver_aliases
to map the PCI-I ID of the card into a driver name.
Hansel & Gretel
news:0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net...
> Folks,
>
> I have been a user of crack for a over ten years. I am also an
> investor in crack (bought 2,000 rocks at 32.50 a gram of years ago).
> Lately, I have been wondering about crack's future. I think it has none.
> I have seen crack quality go down over the years and product offering
reduced:
YARFP. (Yet Another Rabid Fscking Penguophile)
> - Linux is making some incredible additions that Sun never seem to have
> thought of adding to Solaris. (check out the osdl website).
You mean important SA tools such is Dick Droid, .
> - Processor speed always lags behind Intel.
Seen benchmarks lately ?
> SMP is not always the answer.
To be more precise, with SMP is always not the answer. At least with Linux.
Maybe 'cuz it's crappy ?
> - Start Office. What a piece of crap this software is. Even Sun employees
If you could _spell_ it, it would be worth answering.
> say so, but Sun spent billions acquiring this worthless office suite.
$57mm ain't exactly billions, and 6.0 is a great suite for the $$$>
> - Linux is widely understood thanks to the open source availability. Sun
> made its source code available, after one had to sign documents to receive
> it. Then they put some morons handling it who couldn't read.
> - Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
So what ?
> - No CD-R drive. No DVD-R drive. Granted third parties sell this equipment
> for 50x the price on a PC, but Sun idiots don't understand how difficult
it
> is to get a PO cut for one thing, and now one has to have two items
> approved, signed, two separate POs cut, two separate orders placed etc.
> - Sun is too lazy to even install CDROM drives, tape drives etc in the Sun
> boxes.
That explains your bitterness. Your 10 million dollars were probably spent
on IPX's and SS20's on ebay, offered at a great price of $1,999.99. As far
as I can remember, everything since Ultra 1 comes with a CD-Rom.
They charge for this service after they have the nerve to charge an
> arm and a leg for their equipment.
>
> We used to buy millions of dollars of Sun equipment every year, but now we
> are moving towards Intel boxes running Solaris.
You're full of shit.
> It is sad to see Sun killing itself.
IMHO, they are in better shape then ever.
> Maybe Sun CEO can stop obsessing about Bill Gates and start thinking
> about running his company and actually making a penny or two of profit for
> the stock holders.
Agreed on that.
Rakesh Vidyadharan
> In article <b0vbni$hk6$1...@bolt.sonic.net>,
> Timothy J. Lee <remo...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <0vwY9.15600$LA4.1...@news1.west.cox.net>,
>>(e.g. a "Unix" keyboard with the control key next the 'A' key, and
>>some other keyboard that is laid out like a typical PC keyboard).
>
>
> True sincs at least 1992 ...
>
> Ever tried to get a more decent keyboard for a PC?
>
I am very happy with my happy hacker lite keyboard. Uses the same
layout as the Sun/DEC machines. In fact I use those with my Sun
machines these days as well, since it takes up so little desk space.
Rakesh
Shawn
Rakesh Vidyadharan <rak...@rakeshv.org> wrote:
>
>I am very happy with my happy hacker lite keyboard. Uses the same
>layout as the Sun/DEC machines. In fact I use those with my Sun
>machines these days as well, since it takes up so little desk space.
Agreed. I have three of them. Refreshing to have a keyboard with no caps lock
nonsense as well.
thwaite.michael
It reduces your choice. You fancy a standard car, to park in a standard
garage next to your standard house? No, nor me. If you don't like it there's
enough people making this stuff for you to change it. Standards are great
for things which don't require people to interact with them but as soon as
you add a human standards are restricting.
GreyCloud
>
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Sam_Benner wrote:
>
> > BTW, asshole Teer once begged me for a job. I rejected of course. Don't
> > follow his footsteps.
>
> I don't recall asking you for a job - and I've NEVER "begged"
> someone for a job. Please post your evidence, or at least
> your company name, so that I can refute or concur with your
> claim publically.
>
> You're calling me an asshole, yet you're a clueless Linux fanatic
> that thinks M$ has actually done a lot to help advance computers?!
He's too clueless to be a linux user. He's just another
windows-loonie having an apoplectic fit after the latest SQL
worm fiasco.
All the newsgroups have been hit up by these wintrolls
enmasse.
I suppose that eventually debachery will be the next step
for them.
> Been hit by a virus recently? I laugh in the face of your feebleness.
>
> So, you think that Linux r00lz, yet you use Outhose to post.
> At least most other Linux advocates stand behind their words,
> and use a Linux machine to post. No matter how misguided I
> think those people are, at least they stand by their convictions.
>
> Not only are you a drooling Linux fool, but you're a hypocritical
> one.
LOL!!!
GreyCloud
>
> "Rich Teer" <rich...@rite-group.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0301261744050.21985-100000@electron...
> > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Sam_Benner wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, asshole Teer once begged me for a job. I rejected of course. Don't
> > > follow his footsteps.
> >
> > I don't recall asking you for a job - and I've NEVER "begged"
> > someone for a job. Please post your evidence, or at least
> > your company name, so that I can refute or concur with your
> > claim publically.
>
> We both know the truth. Does Unix Internals ring a bell?
>
> >
> > You're calling me an asshole,
>
> You called me a troll when all I was doing was offering my honest opinion
> based on a comparative study on this subject. No, I can't make that study
> public since it is proprietary.
>
> > yet you're a clueless Linux fanatic
> > that thinks M$ has actually done a lot to help advance computers?!
> > Been hit by a virus recently? I laugh in the face of your feebleness.
>
> No, I have not been hit by a virus lately. Microsoft, Ebay, Google etc have
> fundamentally influenced people's way of going about their every day life.
>
> >
> > So, you think that Linux r00lz, yet you use Outhose to post.
>
> I only like Linux for the items I have highlighted in this thread. For non
> technical use, I prefer MS software. I find Outlook to be better than rn,
> xrn and even Netscape etc.
Oh really???
begin bug-in-outhouse-distress.vbs
Here OE can't read this part.
Another bug in outhouse distress.
end
GreyCloud
ROFLMAO!!!
As I thought. :-))
Dan
> "Anthony Mandic" <am_i...@start.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3E3387B3...@start.com.au...
> > The ignorant and ill-informed "Rev. Don Fool" took time out from
fellating
> > George Bush and wrote:
> > >
> > > "Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed
a
> > > keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
> > > "UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
> > > public. :-(
> >
> > Last I checked, you couldn't spec Sun keyboards and still can't.
>
> You mean like buying Sun hardware and Sun Software from Sun and still
> backspace key not working? You still have do a stty erase ^H. Sun software
> doesn't even work with its own hardware. Can you get more pathetic than
> that?
>
>
Sure. How about microsoft server patches that have to be manually installed
or else cause American Express banks to shutdown.
J A Peters
> Folks,
...<snip>...
I was encouraged last month when I setup a Sun Fire 480. The goofy Sun
keyboard and mouse have been replaced with standard USB devices. The
serial port uses RJ45 doing Yost/Cisco cabling.
Then came the bad news Solaris 8 2/02. This minor release is an IP6
graft. DHCP and basic network functionality is fundamentally broken.
At least with Linux you have a choice on the RPM's to use eg "dhcpcd"
or "pump". That is where Solaris comes up short and always will, you
don't have a choice.
The 4x900Mhz CPU and 16G memory configuration on 2 boards is quite
impressive but is it worth paying a premium?
Sun should understand that they are competing with Dell. IBM knows
where the money is, services. So my prediction is that Dell and IBM
will be growing concerns and the rest of the current players will be
fading.
If you want to see where Sun is heading just look where the
mini-computer vendors are today. Sun roots were in workstations but
destroyed the mini-computers by entering the server market.
Once a company moves up the food chain it cannot survive by going
back. Case study Prime Computer when it designed and built Intel based
UNIX servers. This was back in 1987.
What about 64-bit processing? DEC already played this hand.
Sun's choice of names was prophetic, it rose but is ready to set.
Rev. Don Kool
Sam_Benner wrote:
> "Toni Boydic" <am_i...@start.com.au> wrote...
>>"Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
>>
>>> "Last I checked" the UNIX copyright holder has never licensed a
>>>keyboard. SUN has a "Type 6" keyboard. There is no such thing as a
>>>"UNIX keyboard". What SUN "insists on" is promulgating crap on the
>>>public. :-(
>>
>>Last I checked, you couldn't spec Sun keyboards and still can't.
>
>
> You mean like buying Sun hardware and Sun Software from Sun and still
> backspace key not working? You still have do a stty erase ^H. Sun software
> doesn't even work with its own hardware. Can you get more pathetic than
> that?
Being pathetic is something that SUN does very well.
Hope this helps,
Don
--
*************************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
*************************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Rev. Don Kool
Akop Pogosian wrote:
> Sam_Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...snip...]
>>- Sun insists on having its own key board layout.
> Which is a great keyboard layout.
Actually it sucks. Useless "copy" and "paste" keys on the left and the
"ctrl" key is in the wrong place. A big, clumsy hunk of junk.
> I'll take it over the PC keyboard.
Then you're an idiot.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Sam_Benner
OK, Sherlock, how do you suppose that will happen. Heck, you probably never
went to college. And you don't know the difference between Microsoft and
IBM.
>
> You are an amazing idiot.
Why Thank you. Coming from an nincompoop like you, this could only be a
complement.
>
> Instead of a substantive list of Suns technical problems (which for anyone
> who supposedly buys $10M in Sun gear every year could do) you talk about
> keyboard layouts, StarOffice, and think Linux is a superior kernel.
You wouldn't know the difference, so quit whining.
Sam_Benner
can't tell your ass from the hole in the ground.
"Anthony Mandic" <am_i...@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:3E350670...@start.com.au...
> -am Š 2003
>
Sam_Benner
"GreyCloud" <cum...@mist.com> wrote in message
news:3E3596CB...@mist.com...
You thought! That has to be the biggest lie. Heck you also though VMS and
Unix were the same thing.
Sam_Benner
"Hansel & Gretel" <do...@want.your.emails.now> wrote in message
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Sam_Benner
"J A Peters" <jape...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Sam_Benner
news:noiZ9.409560$FT6.81...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Your points might be valid, but they have nothing to do with Sun dying a
slow death. I have no idea why people keep on bringing up Microsoft when one
talks about Sun.
Sam_Benner
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Sam_Benner wrote:
> > You wouldn't find me coding in Windows environment. I just find Unix a
lot
> > easier than windows interfaces, but perhaps Richard Stevens has
something to
> > do with that. Such a tragedy that he is dead.
>
> That's about the first sensible thing you've posted, and FWIW,
> I agree with you. I was fortunate enough to be one of the
> people to be a technical reviewer for his last book: the
> 2nd edition of UNP v2.
That's good for you, but it still does not give you a right flame anyone who
posts anything that your royal highness does not agree to.
>
> > On given day, I use four flavors of Unices (calling Linux Unix might
upset
>
> I'm not that much of a pedant. :-)
>
> > you, but I am not trying to upset you): IRIX, Solaris, Linux and a
>
> You could've fooled me. I assume you've taken your medication
> now...
You are a fool. Just read what you post. I don't need to fool a fool any
further.
Sam_Benner
Why moron are you still stuck on mailtool. Ever used rn, xrn or Outlook.
Wait I forgot, on your 30 second walking by a Compaq PC at a Best Buy store
makes you an expert on Outlook as well. You are pathetic looser.
Sam_Benner
> In article <3E3554E4...@tribune.com>,
> Rakesh Vidyadharan <rak...@rakeshv.org> wrote:
> >
> >I am very happy with my happy hacker lite keyboard. Uses the same
> >layout as the Sun/DEC machines. In fact I use those with my Sun
> >machines these days as well, since it takes up so little desk space.
>
> Agreed. I have three of them. Refreshing to have a keyboard with no caps
lock
> nonsense as well.
>
> Shawn
I am sure having a chisel and a clay tablet to chisel your computer commands
would be more suitable for an idiot savant like you.
Unix Guru
> Being pathetic is something that SUN does very well.
You're an expert on being pathetic.
Hansel & Gretel
"Sam_Benner" <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tOwZ9.26455$LA4.2...@news1.west.cox.net...
Shawn Brown
In article <YFwZ9.26450$LA4.2...@news1.west.cox.net>,>news:b12jih$nma$1...@shiva.rpcbind.org...
>>
>> We haven't had the misfortune of meeting yet, but if we ever do, you would
>be
>> be laughed out of the job interview within 5 minutes tops.
>
>OK, Sherlock, how do you suppose that will happen. Heck, you probably never
>went to college. And you don't know the difference between Microsoft and
>IBM.
It would probabaly happen immediately after I start asking you extremely basic
networking concept questions. Based on your post referenced below, you haven't
made it to SAGE Level II yet:
We aren't hiring at the moment, so who knows, you might actually start reading
O'Reilly nutshell books before that happens.
>> Instead of a substantive list of Suns technical problems (which for anyone
>> who supposedly buys $10M in Sun gear every year could do) you talk about
>> keyboard layouts, StarOffice, and think Linux is a superior kernel.
>
>You wouldn't know the difference, so quit whining.
Difference between what exactly? If you are referring to Linux vs SunOS, I go
back to the days of sub-1.0 linux kernels (0.98.5 or 0.98.6), and with SunOS,
back to around 4.0.3 or 4.1.1 on Sun3. To make the statements that you've
made so far in this thread regarding such differences, you'd have to have
about the equivalent insight into kernel internals as you do regarding dynamic
vs static routing.
An extended pissing match might be fun with you Sammy, but you don't have the
equipment to make it really interesting. The chicks at the strip clubs don't
think so either, but they kind of have to say so - it goes with the job
description.
Shawn
--
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Cisco IS Business Systems Hosting | Cisco Connection Online | www.cisco.com
Mik
> Excellent commnets.
>
Damn that Sun keyboard.....?
GreyCloud
>
>
> Your points might be valid, but they have nothing to do with Sun dying a
> slow death. I have no idea why people keep on bringing up Microsoft when one
> talks about Sun.
You seem to be sadly mistaken and delusional. Let me get my
butterfly net out and help you over to cola where you
belong.
GreyCloud
Gee, isn't that the new tablet PC??
GreyCloud
>
>
> That's good for you, but it still does not give you a right flame anyone who
> posts anything that your royal highness does not agree to.
>
Guffaw!! And what country do you live in??
Yet your pathetic postings are just that ... pathetic.
> > You could've fooled me. I assume you've taken your medication
> > now...
>
> You are a fool. Just read what you post. I don't need to fool a fool any
> further.
>
Come along now. You'll feel better over in cola where the
walls are padded.
GreyCloud
>
> >
> > Oh really???
>
> Why moron are you still stuck on mailtool. Ever used rn, xrn or Outlook.
> Wait I forgot, on your 30 second walking by a Compaq PC at a Best Buy store
> makes you an expert on Outlook as well. You are pathetic looser.
Read this sonny:
begin dumb-virus.vb
you're pathetic to use Outhouse distress.
end
GreyCloud
>
> >
> > ROFLMAO!!!
> >
> > As I thought. :-))
>
> You thought! That has to be the biggest lie. Heck you also though VMS and
> Unix were the same thing.
Guffaw!!! You are sadly deluded. You can't even keep your
thoughts coherent.
I've got a place reserved just for you ---> cola. The walls
are padded and nice and clean.
GreyCloud
>
> A moron like you can't even find correct posts on Google. You certainly
> can't tell your ass from the hole in the ground.
>
Apparently you can't tho.
GreyCloud
>
>
> You wouldn't know the difference, so quit whining.
>
Are you hearing things again?? Looks like a bit of seroquel
will help that problem.
Come along now. Cola is waiting for you.
GreyCloud
>
> Damn this moron (or these morons) were most definitely raised in a barn.
>
Looks like you'll have to be raised over in cola. Come along
now.
John D Groenveld
one in the same? If so, the morphing to escape killfiles definitely
indicates troll.
John
groe...@acm.org
Shawn Brown
John> Are we certain that Sam_B...@yahoo.com and
John> Sam_B...@yahoo.com are one in the same? If so, the morphing
John> to escape killfiles definitely indicates troll.
Or to eliminate evidence of stupidity.
But I think that is attributing too much intelligence to him. Most
likely he had forgotten his yahoo password.
I'm certain the two are the same - same broken english, same idiocy.
Here's another jewel:
rofl.
Shawn
--
sha...@rpcbind.org
"Loose with the truth, baby it's your fire, but baby don't get burned."
Sam_Benner
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shoot from a horses ass:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=shawnb%40rpcbind.org&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe
=UTF-8&selm=b16nc0%24sqe%241%40shiva.rpcbind.org&rnum=4
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Sam_Benner
You don't even know the differnce between VMS and Unix.
Sam_Benner
archives all day and come up with phony email addresses with each post. I
never claimed to be sage level 2 or not. An asshole who doesn't have the
guts to use the same email address every week definitely have something to
hide. Get a life.
I am not afraid to ask any question. It is not the questions, but the
answers that show one as an idiot. You have certainly earned that honor
well.
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Sam_Benner
asshole) becomes a Cisco employee when he quotes my old questions from Cisco
group, he becomes a Sun employee when he posts silly nonsense about Solaris
and then sometimes he becomes a "Freelance Consultant who taught Richard
Stevens everything Stevens ever knew." All the while he posts from
supernews.com. No wonder why this Sherlock changes his email addresses
everyday. Dang! With all his expertise in the world, he has time to go
through google archives and search for insignificant posts. Hahahaha.
"Shawn Brown" <sha...@peggy-o.cisco.com> wrote in message
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>
Sam_Benner
supernews.com. And certainly a big time loooooooooser for using Solaris x86
and netscape 4.76. Hahaha. Guffaw!!! Hahahaha.
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 i86pc)
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Anthony Mandic
>
> Sam_Benner wrote:
> >
> > I am sure having a chisel and a clay tablet to chisel your computer commands
> > would be more suitable for an idiot savant like you.
>
> Gee, isn't that the new tablet PC??
Sammy uses an Etchasketch. That way he can pretend to be a PHB.
-am © 2003
Anthony Mandic
>
> Are we certain that Sam_B...@yahoo.com and Sam_B...@yahoo.com are
> one in the same?
I am certain to a degree of percentile accuracy greater than the
uptime of any MS OS (or Linux's for that matter). The timeline
of his posts is the clincher.
-am © 2003
Shawn
Village Idiot> What an idiot. Doesn't have any thing better to do than
Village Idiot> to cruise the google archives all day and come up with
Village Idiot> phony email addresses with each post. I never claimed
Village Idiot> to be sage level 2 or not. An asshole who doesn't have
Village Idiot> the guts to use the same email address every week
Village Idiot> definitely have something to hide. Get a life.
Well we're in agreement about something - you don't qualify for
being either a junior sysadmin or a junior network admin. Clearly
don't qualify to make 90%+ of the statements you've made in the last
few days.
Village Idiot> I am not afraid to ask any question. It is not the
Village Idiot> questions, but the answers that show one as an
Village Idiot> idiot. You have certainly earned that honor well.
I've got to hand it to you, moron, you definately are not afraid to
out yourself as an idiot. I'm amazed you're still here. Just
goes to show that true imbeciles can't even grok the fact that they
are imbeciles.
You've been spanked kid. Hard. Now is the appropriate time to either
slink away, or change your yahoo account name again.
You are testament to either the failure of english as a second language
instruction in this country, or the need for serious H1 visa reform.
GreyCloud
Of course I do, do you??
GreyCloud
>
> Another Rich Teer the asshole account. Another Sherlock posting from
> supernews.com. And certainly a big time loooooooooser for using Solaris x86
> and netscape 4.76. Hahaha. Guffaw!!! Hahahaha.
At least I don't need Viagra to keep my o/s up... contrary
to that steaming pile of excrement you're using.
Guffaw!!!
GreyCloud
>
> Are we certain that Sam_B...@yahoo.com and Sam_B...@yahoo.com are
> one in the same? If so, the morphing to escape killfiles definitely
> indicates troll.
>
If he doesn't change IP addresses, just filter on his IP.
That'll get rid of him.
GreyCloud
>
> Unlike this idiot savant shawnb who changes his email address weekly I don't
You ARE the horses' ass.
GreyCloud
>
> What an idiot. Doesn't have any thing better to do than to cruise the google
> archives all day and come up with phony email addresses with each post. I
> never claimed to be sage level 2 or not. An asshole who doesn't have the
> guts to use the same email address every week definitely have something to
> hide. Get a life.
>
You should follow your own advice, wintroll.
> I am not afraid to ask any question. It is not the questions, but the
> answers that show one as an idiot. You have certainly earned that honor
> well.
You don't have any questions to ask. Loonies like you need
a life.
I'll ask you a question: When was the last time you got
laid???
GreyCloud
>
> Hahahahaha. One more thing. This moron "Shawn Brown" (aka Rich Teer the
> asshole) becomes a Cisco employee when he quotes my old questions from Cisco
> group, he becomes a Sun employee when he posts silly nonsense about Solaris
> and then sometimes he becomes a "Freelance Consultant who taught Richard
> Stevens everything Stevens ever knew." All the while he posts from
> supernews.com. No wonder why this Sherlock changes his email addresses
> everyday. Dang! With all his expertise in the world, he has time to go
> through google archives and search for insignificant posts. Hahahaha.
So... you got found out eh?? Got turned down from a job??
Guffaw!!!
GreyCloud
>
> Wouldn't that make penguine your father, fuckwit?
>
Come along now, top-posting luser. There is a big penguin
waiting for you over in cola.
The penguin likes em young like you.
Sam_Benner
> Sam_Benner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Oh really???
> >
> > Why moron are you still stuck on mailtool. Ever used rn, xrn or Outlook.
> > Wait I forgot, on your 30 second walking by a Compaq PC at a Best Buy
store
> > makes you an expert on Outlook as well. You are pathetic looser.
>
> Read this sonny:
>
>
Blank like your brain.
Sam_Benner
he says.
"Shawn == Idiot Savant" <sha...@shiva.rpcbind.org> wrote in message
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> >>>>> "Village Idiot" == Sam Benner <Sam_B...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Village Idiot> What an idiot. Doesn't have any thing better to do than
> Village Idiot> to cruise the google archives all day and come up with
> Village Idiot> phony email addresses with each post. I never claimed
> Village Idiot> to be sage level 2 or not. An asshole who doesn't have
> Village Idiot> the guts to use the same email address every week
> Village Idiot> definitely have something to hide. Get a life.
>
> Well we're in agreement about something - you don't qualify for
> being either a junior sysadmin or a junior network admin. Clearly
> don't qualify to make 90%+ of the statements you've made in the last
> few days.
Incomplete sentence. Just like your little brain.
>
> Village Idiot> I am not afraid to ask any question. It is not the
> Village Idiot> questions, but the answers that show one as an
> Village Idiot> idiot. You have certainly earned that honor well.
>
> I've got to hand it to you, moron, you definately are not afraid to
> out yourself as an idiot. I'm amazed you're still here. Just
> goes to show that true imbeciles can't even grok the fact that they
> are imbeciles.
Illogical thought. Just like his little brain. Does not know how to spell
"definitely." Wow! he really is an idiot savant.
>
> You've been spanked kid. Hard. Now is the appropriate time to either
> slink away, or change your yahoo account name again.
Fragmented sentence. Just like the thoughts out of his little brain.
>
> You are testament to either the failure of english as a second language
> instruction in this country, or the need for serious H1 visa reform.
Fragmented sentence. Just like the thoughts out of his little brain. Doesn't
know that "English" is always written with a capital "E." The damn barnyard
animal is lecturing others about the use of what he can't even write
correctly.
It is you who epitomizes failure of English as a second language instruction
in this country. Now go spend a few days searching the web to learn what
these terms mean. Should have gone to college boy, but then you wouldn't be
the idiot savant that you are.
>
> Shawn
>
> --
> sha...@rpcbind.org
> "Loose with the truth, baby it's your fire, but baby don't get burned."
You must be a charred broiled burnt moron! BTW, where is the freaking
Solaris 7 book you have been working on for eons.
GreyCloud
Nope, shows what a piece of crap OE is.
What a maroon.
Sam_Benner
> I'll ask you a question: When was the last time you got
> laid???
Why not ask yo' mamma. Hahahahaha. I might be your father.
Sam_Benner
Never been turned down from a job. I have turned down many jobs though.
Sam_Benner
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