Daniel Berger wrote: > On Aug 6, 6:16 am, Mark <mark.ro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Anyone know if something is up with them? I haven't been able to reach >>> the site for almost a week now. >> AFAIK, Dennis was doing some maintenance on the web server - I'll ping >> an email to the maintainers list and see what's up...
Hello, Dennis is screwing around again. It seems that Dennis turned blastwave into a commercial entity[1] (on top of non-payed work done by the community) - he has tried that before that is when I decided to leave blastwave behind. In the process Phil Brown (the real father of blastwave) tried to fork blastwave off, but Dennis logged into the master mirror at university Erlangen that is provided by Michael Gernoth (and myself a long time ago). He wiped the repository there. Luckily we have offsite-backups (that are out of reach for Dennis) so the mirror at
Sounds like kindergarden. But with Dennis gone, I'm sure Phil has the normal operations restored within days. - But the ,,blastwave.org'' domains is gone, I guess.
Looks like Dennis no longer wishes to make the "blastwave.org" domain available to the team of non-profit volunteers who wish to continue doing CSW packaging, unless he can control business access to it.
He has revoked use of his domain from us. So, we are forced to look elsewhere. I'm starting discussion for a new domain to use, on the maintainers list.
"CSW packaging" shall indeed resume in a few days(well probably more like a week) once we get fixed on a new domain name, etc.
> The site has a page up that says all assets are frozen until further > notice. :(
> Dan
If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation though.
sergiusens wrote: > On Aug 6, 10:43 pm, Daniel Berger <djber...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Aug 6, 6:16 am, Mark <mark.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anyone know if something is up with them? I haven't been able to reach >>>> the site for almost a week now. >>> AFAIK, Dennis was doing some maintenance on the web server - I'll ping >>> an email to the maintainers list and see what's up... >>> -Mark >>> m...@blastwave.org >> The site has a page up that says all assets are frozen until further >> notice. :(
>> Dan
> If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made > some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm > due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation > though.
> If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made > some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm > due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation > though.
this is the usual bullshit that comes out of Dennis mouth. Just ignore it. His primary objective was to make money out of blastwave. That will never happen (because CSW is software packaged by the community for free and because noone would ever buy it in a way that it is profitable for Dennis). What we saw yesterday was done because he is highly frustrated. It is not the first time Dennis did that and he screwed around with a lot of people in the past, but this times it seems that he has to face the consequences by getting kicked out of the community. From my point of view this should have happened a long time ago. But the people tolerated the behaviour of this madman and let him in charge of to many assets (for example DNS domains). As a consequence a lot of people left the project - as least that is what I heard and experienced.
> > If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made > > some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm > > due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation > > though.
> this is the usual bullshit that comes out of Dennis mouth. Just ignore > it. His primary objective was to make money out of blastwave. That will > never happen (because CSW is software packaged by the community for free > and because noone would ever buy it in a way that it is profitable for > Dennis). What we saw yesterday was done because he is highly frustrated. > It is not the first time Dennis did that and he screwed around with a > lot of people in the past, but this times it seems that he has to face > the consequences by getting kicked out of the community. From my point > of view this should have happened a long time ago. But the people > tolerated the behaviour of this madman and let him in charge of to many > assets (for example DNS domains). As a consequence a lot of people left > the project - as least that is what I heard and experienced.
Is blastwave.org getting some corporate sponsorship from Sun and others? I thought it was, but could very well be mistaken.
Not one for drama here, but could someone please give a on the future of the csw project? I've noticed that blastwave.org is (somewhat) up and working (a few files missing here and there).
Should users continue to use blastwave.org or use http://www.suncsw.de. Is the suncsw.de a temporary holding spot until things clear up?
> Should users continue to use blastwave.org or use http://www.suncsw.de. > Is the suncsw.de a temporary > holding spot until things clear up?
yes, it's temporary for now. It is unclear what the new, long-term domain will be.
There wont be any package updates for a while. (week or two?) [although if you want to give feedback on the look of the website, that's fine :) I'm very happy that I managed to get our bugtracking system updated and working again, after way too long :( ]
So, at this point, just keep your pkg-get configs exactly where they pointed to a few days ago, and please be patient.
When we (the actual people behind CSW packaging, rather than "the owner of the blastwave.org domain") get an official, long-term-safe domain name to use, then we'll post where to update from.
>> If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made >> some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm >> due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation >> though.
> this is the usual bullshit that comes out of Dennis mouth. Just ignore > it. His primary objective was to make money out of blastwave. That will > never happen (because CSW is software packaged by the community for free > and because noone would ever buy it in a way that it is profitable for > Dennis). What we saw yesterday was done because he is highly frustrated. > It is not the first time Dennis did that and he screwed around with a > lot of people in the past, but this times it seems that he has to face > the consequences by getting kicked out of the community. From my point > of view this should have happened a long time ago. But the people > tolerated the behaviour of this madman and let him in charge of to many > assets (for example DNS domains). As a consequence a lot of people left > the project - as least that is what I heard and experienced.
> Thomas
reading all this really makes me sad, but it also shows that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about
just to clear some things up, Dennis never indented to make money out of blastwave with his recent actions, did you ever ask yourself what happens with blastwave when he's not there anymore (he provides all the machines and connectivity after all)
so creating a blastwave trademark and transferring it to a community makes sense to me, he also stated that he doesn't want to work on the old Solaris 8 cruft anymore (who's still using Solaris 8 x86 anyway?) and want's to move ahead (OpenSolaris/IPS stuff)
so I'm looking forward for seeing fresh pkgs for Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris from Dennis/blastwave :)
In article <6g40m0Fe7st...@mid.uni-berlin.de>, Stefan Krüger <stadtki...@gmx.de> wrote:
>makes sense to me, he also stated that he doesn't want to work on the >old Solaris 8 cruft anymore (who's still using Solaris 8 x86 anyway?) >and want's to move ahead (OpenSolaris/IPS stuff)
Anil Gadre and company's marketing wonks have the best data on usage of EOLd, legacy supported, currently supported and shipping Solaris versions, and currently shipping (Open)Solaris but they're not telling.
Depending on how much client data pkg_get spews to Blastwave or other CSW package sources, they might be able to make a good guess of usage of CSW packages on different Solaris versions from their access_log and agent_log's.
I'm not sure you can infer a whole lot from the preferences of CSW package maintainers which I suspect tend to resemble developers and more likely use leading edge development platforms.
Again, Anil Gadre and company's marketing wonks probably have good data on (Open)Solaris package maintainers, developers, and ISVs and how their preferences relate to the preferences of Sun's customers, but I haven't seen it summarized in a way a JAVA stockholder might understand.
On Aug 8, 3:46 pm, Stefan Krüger <stadtki...@gmx.de> wrote:
> reading all this really makes me sad, but it also shows that you have > absolutely no idea of what you're talking about
For the record, Thomas joined up, in 2003, and was a highly dedicated maintainer, until at least mid-2005 or later. One of the best we ever had, and one of the few "early maintainers", that truely knows some of the early history, that is buried in the "private" mail archives (some of which might even be not even archived any more) So he has more right than some, to have a claim to know what he's talking about.
phil.googlen...@bolthole.com wrote: > On Aug 8, 3:46 pm, Stefan Krüger <stadtki...@gmx.de> wrote: >> reading all this really makes me sad, but it also shows that you have >> absolutely no idea of what you're talking about
> For the record, Thomas joined up, in 2003, and was a highly dedicated > maintainer, until at least mid-2005 or later. One of the best we ever > had, and one of the few "early maintainers", that truely knows some of > the early history, that is buried in the "private" mail archives (some > of which might even be not even archived any more) So he has more > right than some, to have a claim to know what he's talking about.
and Dennis is what? a nobody? Like I said, you guys did never mention in this thread how much heart and soul Dennis put into Blastwave and you also never said that you appreciated the countless hours and all the infrastructure Dennis put into/provided for Blastwave; instead you're just ranting and telling things from a very blinkered view :(
quoting Stefan Krüger (Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:08:33 +0000):
> and Dennis is what? a nobody? Like I said, you guys did never mention > in this thread how much heart and soul Dennis put into Blastwave and > you also never said that you appreciated the countless hours and all > the infrastructure Dennis put into/provided for Blastwave; instead > you're just ranting and telling things from a very blinkered view :(
I'm happy to see there are still people out there who -DO- know how to give credit. Ranting is much easier and seen a lot more between humans.
On Aug 9, 4:08 am, Stefan Krüger <stadtki...@gmx.de> wrote:
> phil.googlen...@bolthole.com wrote: > > For the record, Thomas joined up, in 2003, and was a highly dedicated > > maintainer, until at least mid-2005 or later.... So he has more > > right than some, to have a claim to know what he's talking about.
> and Dennis is what? a nobody? Like I said, you guys did never mention in > this thread how much heart and soul Dennis put into Blastwave and you > also never said that you appreciated the countless hours and all the > infrastructure Dennis put into/provided for Blastwave; instead you're > just ranting and telling things from a very blinkered view :(
You dont know much more about Dennis, other than what HE HIMSELF has posted publically. You have zero first-hand knowlege. You dont think that's a "very blinkered view"?! sheesh.
Dennis "donated" hardware and bandwidth: == "good" Dennis thought that entitled him to OWN the project: == "bad".
There's a lot more I could say, but I'll leave it at that.
On Aug 7, 1:27 pm, Thomas Glanzmann <sithg...@stud.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
> Hello, > Dennis is screwing around again. It seems that Dennis turnedblastwave > into a commercial entity[1] (on top of non-payed work done by the > community) - he has tried that before that is when I decided to leaveblastwavebehind. In the process Phil Brown (the real father ofblastwave) tried to forkblastwaveoff, but Dennis logged into the > master mirror at university Erlangen that is provided by Michael Gernoth > (and myself a long time ago). He wiped the repository there. Luckily we > have offsite-backups (that are out of reach for Dennis) so the mirror at
I'm really new man here, but have anyone from you tried pkgsrc to compile sw on solaris. It is completely open-source project, developed by NetBSD developers. You can run it on Solaris, Mac OS X, Aix, Irix, Linux and other OSes.
> On Aug 7, 1:27 pm, Thomas Glanzmann <sithg...@stud.uni-erlangen.de> > wrote:
> > Hello, > > Dennis is screwing around again. It seems that Dennis turnedblastwave > > into a commercial entity[1] (on top of non-payed work done by the > > community) - he has tried that before that is when I decided to leaveblastwavebehind. In the process Phil Brown (the real father ofblastwave) tried to forkblastwaveoff, but Dennis logged into the > > master mirror at university Erlangen that is provided by Michael Gernoth > > (and myself a long time ago). He wiped the repository there. Luckily we > > have offsite-backups (that are out of reach for Dennis) so the mirror at
> I'm really new man here, but have anyone from you tried pkgsrc to > compile sw on solaris. > It is completely open-source project, developed by NetBSD developers. > You can run it on > Solaris, Mac OS X, Aix, Irix, Linux and other OSes.
Agreed. Own your own pkg system locally with pkgsrc or start a new blastwave easily with pkgsrc.
In article <54674af9-0689-4da3-bcf1-75e2f1961...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
<osfal...@gmail.com> wrote: >Not one for drama here, but could someone please give a on the future >of the csw project? >I've noticed that blastwave.org is (somewhat) up and working (a few >files missing here and there).
>Should users continue to use blastwave.org or use http://www.suncsw.de. >Is the suncsw.de a temporary >holding spot until things clear up?
Blastwave.org is all working fine now, and probably has been for some time now.
I myself just used it to install something, and it worked just fine.
NOTE: You do have to get a new pgp key.
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The "why" for the need for the new pgp key is *very much* related to what happened and to why he was forced to pause operations for repairs.
As I understand it, the site got hacked (that might well not be quite the correct word, but whatever did happen, the effect is much the same), and he's been working his tail off to recover from it.
Eventually he'll tell us more, but for now he's trying to not make too many waves. My understanding is that he may eventually be forced to take some legal action.
>>> If you check osol-discuss at opensolaris.org you'll see that he made >>> some comments and it seems that he has been engaged by a legal firm >>> due to license/copyright infringements. This is all speculation >>> though.
>> this is the usual bullshit that comes out of Dennis mouth. Just ignore >> it. His primary objective was to make money out of blastwave. That will >> never happen (because CSW is software packaged by the community for free >> and because noone would ever buy it in a way that it is profitable for >> Dennis). What we saw yesterday was done because he is highly frustrated. >> It is not the first time Dennis did that and he screwed around with a >> lot of people in the past, but this times it seems that he has to face >> the consequences by getting kicked out of the community. From my point >> of view this should have happened a long time ago. But the people >> tolerated the behaviour of this madman and let him in charge of to many >> assets (for example DNS domains). As a consequence a lot of people left >> the project - as least that is what I heard and experienced.
>> Thomas
>reading all this really makes me sad, but it also shows that you have >absolutely no idea of what you're talking about
>just to clear some things up, Dennis never indented to make money out of >blastwave with his recent actions, did you ever ask yourself what >happens with blastwave when he's not there anymore (he provides all the >machines and connectivity after all)
As I understand it, he's put a whole lot of money into blastwave out of his own pocket and bank account, and perhaps even *more* than that. :-(
And support from Sun? I gather they're putting their own money behnd sunfreeware. ("Not Invented Here" is apparantely a *real* downer among the sun higher-ups!)
To me that's just yet another reason to ask "what the hell do those people at sun think they're doing!"
I think they maybe do supply blastwave some hardware (and software).
>Looks like Dennis no longer wishes to make the "blastwave.org" domain >available to the team of non-profit volunteers who wish to continue >doing CSW packaging, unless he can control business access to it.
>He has revoked use of his domain from us. So, we are forced to look >elsewhere. I'm starting discussion for a new domain to use, on the >maintainers list.
>"CSW packaging" shall indeed resume in a few days(well probably more >like a week) >once we get fixed on a new domain name, etc.
>stay tuned :)
Hmmm.
Could I perhaps be correct in inferring from the above that this guy is thinking of taking advantage of whatever hacking (or worse, maybe much worse) that befell blastwave.org to perhaps set himself up in competition to Dennis and blastwave.org?
Hmmm.
Taking advantage of disasters seems to be popular these days, at least here in America...
Myself, I'm sticking with Dennis and "his" blastwave.org.
Now, I don't know about you guys, but for myself, I don't think I'd feel quite right, deep down, doing anything else.
>Looks like Dennis no longer wishes to make the "blastwave.org" domain >available to the team of non-profit volunteers who wish to continue >doing CSW packaging, unless he can control business access to it.
>He has revoked use of his domain from us. So, we are forced to look >elsewhere. I'm starting discussion for a new domain to use, on the >maintainers list.
>"CSW packaging" shall indeed resume in a few days(well probably more >like a week) >once we get fixed on a new domain name, etc.
>stay tuned :)
I agree with but a single of the above statements, which is:
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