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Ramon F Herrera  
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 More options Jan 18, 1:13 pm
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From: Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:13:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 18 2012 1:13 pm
Subject: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups?

I have no idea where to post this. Perhaps one of you folks out there
can help.

I am trying to figure out the technique used to post images in Google
Usenet Groups.

These ones, for instance:

http://tinyurl.com/6qhhg2w

http://tinyurl.com/877eony

I am not sure whether this is Google-specific or if it works Usenet-
wide (with the proper newsreader, of course).

TIA!

-Ramon


 
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Joe Kesselman  
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 More options Jan 18, 6:57 pm
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From: Joe Kesselman <keshlam.cat.nos...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:24 -0500
Local: Wed, Jan 18 2012 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups?
Yes, offtopic.

Generally, posting images on Usenet is frowned on except in newsgroups
specifically intended for that purpose. A picture may be worth a
thousand words, but it takes up about as many bytes as ten thousand.

In those binary newsgroups which do welcome images, the usual approach
is to encode the image file in base-64 (websearch will find tools for
this) and to post the resulting text characters. Other folks will use
similar tools (sometimes, but not always, provided by their newsgroup
readers) to convert that text back to a binary file.

To make it very vaguely on topic: This is also the best approach if you
really need to imbed an arbitrary image directly into an XML file. And
has the same limitation: the tool used to read that file has to
understand that this is what you intended and how to convert it back.
Generally that's a Bad Idea unless you're dealing with digital
signatures; more commonly, you'd just use a URI to point to a copy of
the image available for download somewhere.

Which is also, arguably, a better approach than posting images into a
newsgroup.

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Peter Flynn  
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 More options Jan 21, 6:51 pm
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From: Peter Flynn <pe...@silmaril.ie>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:51:38 +0000
Local: Sat, Jan 21 2012 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups?
On 18/01/12 18:13, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> I have no idea where to post this. Perhaps one of you folks out there
> can help.

> I am trying to figure out the technique used to post images in Google
> Usenet Groups.

You can't. Usenet is text-only. There are some special-purpose groups
with "binaries" in their name where you can post Base64-encoded chunks
for readers to reconstruct, but there is no method for attachments as
their is with email.

Incidentally, they are Usenet newsgroups. Nothing to do with Google
except that Google provides an archive, and an interface for reading an
posting, and is trying hard to elide the distinction between its own
"groups" and Usenet...for some reason I can't fathom.

///Peter


 
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Simon Wright  
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 More options Jan 22, 6:18 am
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From: Simon Wright <si...@pushface.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:18:43 +0000
Local: Sun, Jan 22 2012 6:18 am
Subject: Re: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups?

> On 18/01/12 18:13, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

>> I have no idea where to post this. Perhaps one of you folks out there
>> can help.

>> I am trying to figure out the technique used to post images in Google
>> Usenet Groups.

> You can't. Usenet is text-only. There are some special-purpose groups
> with "binaries" in their name where you can post Base64-encoded chunks
> for readers to reconstruct, but there is no method for attachments as
> their is with email.

This isn't really true. NNTP attachments[1] are handled in almost
exactly the same way as Mail[2] (I dare say there are still Microsoft
alternatives).

There's nothing to prevent you trying to post a message with attachments
to a Usenet group; however, there are news gateways (such as the one I
use, eternal-september.org) which discard articles with binary content,
both from upstream and downstream, so I can neither see nor post
articles with binary attachments (though text attachments are OK; I'll
try to attach one to this article as a demo).

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME

[ attachment.txt < 1K ]
This is a test to see whether eternal-september.org will let me attach
a text file.


 
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Joe Kesselman  
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 More options Jan 24, 10:02 pm
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From: Joe Kesselman <keshlam.cat.nos...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:02:27 -0500
Local: Tues, Jan 24 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups?
On 1/22/2012 6:18 AM, Simon Wright wrote:

> This isn't really true. NNTP attachments[1] are handled in almost
> exactly the same way as Mail[2]

Except for a very few groups, rich text/mime/attachments in Usenet are
generally consider an Abomination and a mark of the Clueless Newbie.

Not everything that is possible is culturally acceptable. Or a good idea.

Still 'way off topic for _this_ newsgroup.

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Joe Kesselman  
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 More options Jan 25, 8:16 am
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From: Joe Kesselman <keshlam.cat.nos...@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:16:44 -0500
Local: Wed, Jan 25 2012 8:16 am
Subject: Re: (Perhaps OT): How to post images in Google/Usenet newsgroups? (typo fix)
On 1/22/2012 6:18 AM, Simon Wright wrote:
 > This isn't really true. NNTP attachments[1] are handled in almost
 > exactly the same way as Mail[2]

Except for a very few groups, rich text/mime/attachments in Usenet are
generally considered an Abomination and a mark of the Clueless Newbie.

Not everything that is possible is culturally acceptable. Or a good idea.

Still 'way off topic for _this_ newsgroup.

--
Joe Kesselman,
http://www.love-song-productions.com/people/keshlam/index.html

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