Probably an old Bibtex question

John Hasenbein

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Mar 20, 2001, 9:29:15 PM3/20/01

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Can anyone help out with this one?

Suppose I have bibtex item with

First Name = Francis
Last Name = de Vericourt

When listing refs in the bibliography, this name should come under "V"
not "D". How do I do this?

One way I tried was using the first name as: Francis de

However, when using the abbrv style this results in:
F. d. Vericourt

Any other suggestions???

Thanks - John

Erwin Kipperman

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Mar 21, 2001, 2:59:37 AM3/21/01

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Hi,

I have the same problem using the 'apacite' bibstyle. I tried to write the
author name in several different styles in my bib-file, but none gave the
result I really wanted. My current entry is:

author = {C. A. A. M. {van der Linden}},
...................
...................
..................
year = {1998}

which gives this result in my reference list (and document):

van der Linden, C.A.A.M. (1998) ......... etcetera

while I tried getting something like:

Linden, C.A.A.M. van der (1998) ......... etcetera. Until sofar unsuccesful.
In your case (using abbrv) this may only lead to an entry like:

F. de Vericourt ....... etcetera.

instead of

F. d. Vericourt .........etcetera.

Success,

Erwin.

Ashish Singhal

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Mar 21, 2001, 12:38:07 PM3/21/01

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Try customizing your bibliography style using makebst to sor on von part.

Ashish

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David Eppstein

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Mar 21, 2001, 7:42:01 PM3/21/01

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In article <9993l...@drn.newsguy.com>,
John Hasenbein <John_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Can anyone help out with this one?
>
> Suppose I have bibtex item with
>
>
> First Name = Francis
> Last Name = de Vericourt
>
>
> When listing refs in the bibliography, this name should come under "V"
> not "D". How do I do this?

It looks like (if you don't want to hack the BibTeX style) you need to use
the general solution for sorting bib items differently than they appear:
define (in your preamble) \def\sortref#1{}
and then use author = {\sortref{Vericourt}de Vericourt, Frances}.
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Sven Utcke

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Mar 22, 2001, 5:26:34 AM3/22/01

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David Eppstein <epps...@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> In article <9993l...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> John Hasenbein <John_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > Suppose I have bibtex item with
> >
> > First Name = Francis
> > Last Name = de Vericourt
> >
> > When listing refs in the bibliography, this name should come under "V"
> > not "D". How do I do this?
>
> It looks like (if you don't want to hack the BibTeX style) you need to use
> the general solution for sorting bib items differently than they appear:
> define (in your preamble) \def\sortref#1{}
> and then use author = {\sortref{Vericourt}de Vericourt, Frances}.

I always thought that bibtex was able to deal with "de" correctly (and
also "von" and similar) based on the assumption that everything all in
lowercase should not influence sorting order. Or was this just for
figuring out which part is the surname?

Sven
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Robert Schlicht

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Mar 22, 2001, 12:18:52 PM3/22/01

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It's not difficult to hack the bst.file in this case.
In abbrv.bst you'll find the function {sort.format.names}. There is the
line:

s nameptr "{vv{ } }{ll{ }}{ f{ }}{ jj{ }}" format.name$ 't :=
von --^ last-^ first-^ ^- junior

which gives the sorting order. So you want to change it to

s nameptr "{ll{ }}{ f{ }}{vv{ } }{ jj{ }}" format.name$ 't :=

so that sorting first takes the last name, then the first name, and then
the von part.

> Thanks - John

PS.Of course you have to rename abbrv.bst

Hope this helped,
Robert

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Robert Schlicht

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Mar 22, 2001, 12:25:56 PM3/22/01

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This is not the same problem at all. The original poster was concerned
with sorting, not formatting. Apacite sorts the way he wants.

To get the formatting you want, why not just leave the inner brackets
away?:

> author = {C. A. A. M. van der Linden},

Brackets prevent bibtex from formatting a string. So in your case it
cannot seperate von part from last name.

Regards,

Erwin Kipperman

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Mar 22, 2001, 2:45:49 PM3/22/01

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Hi,

I tried writing the author name in full before, like:

author = {C. A. A. M. van der Linden}

but, different from now, that used to give an entry like:

Linden, C.A.A.M. v.d.

with abbreviated suffixes in the bibliography. It seems okay now, thanks for
your comment!

Erwin.