TeTeX 3.0 and Culmus Nikud
kbl...@gmail.com
make the culmus package (from http://nikud.berlios.de/) work, but have
not succeded. The project installs successfully, but won't compile any
documents with hebrew characters in them.
The Makefiles for the sample projects try to run elatex which no longer
exists. AIUI, the elatex command can be safely replaced by the normal
latex command now, but running latex poem.tex gives errors:
[bloom@little-cat-a poem]$ latex poem.tex
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
entering extended mode
(./poem.tex
LaTeX2e <2003/12/01>
Babel <v3.8d> and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german,
ngerman, b
ahasa, basque, bulgarian, catalan, croatian, czech, danish, dutch,
esperanto, e
stonian, finnish, greek, icelandic, irish, italian, latin, magyar,
norsk, polis
h, portuges, romanian, russian, serbian, slovak, slovene, spanish,
swedish, tur
kish, ukrainian, nohyphenation, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2004/02/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/size11.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/psnfss/newcent.sty)
(/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/culmus.sty
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/cp1255.def))
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/cp1255enc.def)
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/cp1255.def)
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/rlbabel.def)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/hebrew.ldf
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)
Package babel Warning: No hyphenation patterns were loaded for
(babel) the language `Hebrew'
(babel) I will use the patterns loaded for \language=0
instead.
) (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/generic/babel/english.ldf))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/lheenc.def)) (./poem.aux)
(/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/cp1255cmr.fd)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/lhecmr.fd)
(/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/psnfss/t1pnc.fd)
(/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/cp1255pnc.fd)
LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `cp1255/pnc/m/n' will be
(Font) scaled to size 13.13995pt on input line 10.
LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `cp1255/pnc/m/n' will be
(Font) scaled to size 29.85593pt on input line 11.
! LaTeX Error: Command \hebgimel unavailable in encoding cp1255.
See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type H <return> for immediate help.
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Anyone know how to make this work? (I do notice that on their site,
they say not to use pdflatex. AIUI, in TeTeX 3.0, there isn't much
choice anymore)
Thanks in advance
--Ken Bloom
Ralf Stubner
[Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about Hebrew in TeX.]
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/size11.clo))
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/psnfss/newcent.sty)
> (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/culmus.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/cp1255.def))
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
> (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/hebrew/cp1255enc.def)
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/cp1255.def)
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/rlbabel.def)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/ivritex/hebrew.ldf
> (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)
This looks as if cp1255.def, hebrew.ldf etc are taken from IvriTeX and
not from babel. Given that IvriTeX in Debian is quite old, it might be
that the incompatibilities come from there.
> Anyone know how to make this work? (I do notice that on their site,
> they say not to use pdflatex. AIUI, in TeTeX 3.0, there isn't much
> choice anymore)
They advice against pdfTeX for two reasons: They don't know that pdfTeX
can be used for producing DVI files, as teTeX 3.0 does it. And their
installation instructions are really out of date, hence they only work
for dvips and not for pdftex/xdvi/dvipdfm(x)/...
Maybe your best bet is to forget about nikud and update IvriTeX instead:
http://ivritex.sourceforge.net/ Recent releases claim to suport the
Culmus fonts. You could also try bugging the Debian maitainer for
IvriTeX to update the package. There even is a Debian package for the
Culmus fonts ...
cheerio
ralf
Ken Bloom
Does this mean the installation instructions need to be changed to
support these other things? Any idea what I need to edit to make these
work?
> Maybe your best bet is to forget about nikud and update IvriTeX instead:
> http://ivritex.sourceforge.net/ Recent releases claim to suport the
> Culmus fonts. You could also try bugging the Debian maitainer for
> IvriTeX to update the package. There even is a Debian package for the
> Culmus fonts ...
I'll give IvriTeX a try, however last I checked (some years ago) it
didn't support vowel points (the hebrew word for these is "nikud",
hence the name of the package in question). For the project I'm about
to undertake, I specifically need vowel points, thus, I was trying to
use the nikud package.
I'll also try removing ivritex completely and see if that helps
things.
I suppose I can always fall back to makor2 and use sed to convert my
data if necessary.
--Ken Bloom
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Ralf Stubner
> Ralf Stubner <ralf.s...@physik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
>
>> They advice against pdfTeX for two reasons: They don't know that pdfTeX
>> can be used for producing DVI files, as teTeX 3.0 does it. And their
>> installation instructions are really out of date, hence they only work
>> for dvips and not for pdftex/xdvi/dvipdfm(x)/...
>
> Does this mean the installation instructions need to be changed to
> support these other things? Any idea what I need to edit to make these
> work?
You should make the map-file known to updmap instead of only putting it
into config.ps, which is only read by dvips. The map file and the
encoding files have to be placed differntly, since teTEX 3.0 follows TDS
1.1. Have a look into tetex-bin's README.Debian as well as teTeX's
documentation ('texdoc TETEXDOC' on the command line).
However, I would first try to get latex+dvips working, which does not
require any changes here.
> I'll give IvriTeX a try, however last I checked (some years ago) it
> didn't support vowel points (the hebrew word for these is "nikud",
> hence the name of the package in question). For the project I'm about
> to undertake, I specifically need vowel points, thus, I was trying to
> use the nikud package.
Ok, that sounds like a good reason to try getting nikud to work (as I
said, I know next to nothing about Hebrew ...). Those people that I know
using Hebrew in TeX use cjhebrew CTAN:language/hebrew/cjhebrew. I have
no idea what is supported there ...
> I'll also try removing ivritex completely and see if that helps
> things.
That might indeed help.
cheerio
ralf
Ken Bloom
My problem turned out to be that I didn't read the directions from the
website which said "If you have babel 3.8, run make install
BABEL_3_8=1". I was following the readme which didn't have this
instruction in it.
I'll look at the updmap stuff later.
Ralf Stubner
> I'll look at the updmap stuff later.
Actually I am no longer sure that it is possible to get this to work
with pdfTeX or dvipdfmx. I just made a quick&dirty installation. And
from what I can judge the vowel-points aren't positioned correctly with
pdfTeX. I guess this isn't to surprising, since according to
<http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/%7Estoledo/Pubs/vowels.ps> PostScript is used
as a real programming language here.
cheerio
ralf
Malte Rosenau
I wonder if Ken would be better off with XeTeX and the SBL
Hebrew font? Here's an example: