Is Kastrup...
A. Watcher
David Kastrup
> ...a Jewish name?
Is b983 an honest name?
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David Rasmussen
> ...a Jewish name?
What is this shit?
/David
David Kastrup
> A. Watcher wrote:
> > ...a Jewish name?
>
> What is this shit?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Malte Rosenau
> A. Watcher wrote:
>
>
>> ...a Jewish name?
>
>
> Relevance ?
He's a TeX-Guru. Maybe the OP is asking for spiritual guidance?
Jon A. Solworth
No, he's trying to determine whether auctex is kosher.
Pieter Edelman
> \textbf{Good One !}
Surely you must mean \emph{Good One !}. Using font selection commands
directly in your text is against good LaTeX practice. If you really want
important text to be bold, redefine \em ;)
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A. Watcher
I think it's more honest to make it clear that
I seek anonymity than if I'd made up a false
name.
I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate
the role played by the Jews in the "Open source"
movement. On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
are operating beneath the surface?
I apologize unreservedly to Kastrup for the slur if
he isn't Jewish - his bullish, aggressive posts on
Usenet and his surname made me suspect.
David Rasmussen
See a shrink.
/David
David Kastrup
I am a Black Jewish Lesbian and proud of it. Go look up
"unreservedly" and "if" in a dictionary of your choice.
I pity those that have achieved so little in life that they have to
base their pride on non-achievements like the creed or race of their
ancestors.
Get a life of your own.
Yes, you'll find that there is a conspiracy going on everywhere, a
conspiracy of people with brains. It is those that dominate the show
whenever being able to think counts. And it is not their religion
that makes you a bystander.
Herman Bruyninckx
>> Is b983 an honest name?
>
> I think it's more honest to make it clear that
> I seek anonymity than if I'd made up a false
> name.
>
> I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate
> the role played by the Jews in the "Open source"
> movement. On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
> undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
> are operating beneath the surface?
This is not really a constructive contribution to either this newsgroup,
nor world peace... I hope you are willing to understand this, and
apologize.
Herman
--
K.U.Leuven, Mechanical Engineering, Robotics Research Group
<http://people.mech.kuleuven.ac.be/~bruyninc> Tel: +32 16 322480
Jonathan Sauer
> [...]
> > I apologize unreservedly to Kastrup for the slur if
> > he isn't Jewish - his bullish, aggressive posts on
> > Usenet and his surname made me suspect.
>
> See a shrink.
Poor shrink.
> /David
Jonathan
David Kastrup
Rolf Marvin Bøe Lindgren
> Not every shrink is Sigismund Schlomo Freud.
do you have anything in particular against Jewish psychologists?
--
Rolf Lindgren http://www.roffe.com/
ro...@tag.uio.no
David Kastrup
> David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Not every shrink is Sigismund Schlomo Freud.
>
> do you have anything in particular against Jewish psychologists?
I recommend that you read the thread through again to answer your
question. I consider your insinuation offensive.
A. Watcher
> nor world peace... I hope you are willing to understand this, and
> apologize.
I'm sorry you feel like this, and that people generally don't seem to be
able to have a rational discussion about the Jewish problem without
resorting to personal insults. I'm not spreading a message of hate, and I
strongly condemn anti-Semitism - I just want to uncover the truth. Noone would
deny that Jews are massively overrepresented in media jobs, and by extension in
the software industry, so I think it's valid to ask what the situation is in
the "Open source" world.
> Yes, you'll find that there is a conspiracy going on everywhere, a
> conspiracy of people with brains. It is those that dominate the show
> whenever being able to think counts. And it is not their religion
> that makes you a bystander.
Firstly, Judaism is a race, not a religion. Secondly, I don't believe in any
conspiracy theories - on the contrary, I think (and I'm sure many Jews would
agree) that widespread anti-Jewish feeling (especially in Europe) would be
reduced if Jewish power in the media and politics was reduced. Thirdly, from
David K's responses, I see that he is no friend of the Jews and I apologize to
him for my wrong suggestion.
I don't want to get into a flame war - please respond with information on
"Open source" relations with the Jews only.
A. Watcher
Let me guess - a Zionist? Don't bother discussing the facts, just call
your enemies mad and trust that the US will bully the security council
into supporting you all the way.
David Kastrup
> Thirdly, from David K's responses, I see that he is no friend of the
> Jews and I apologize to him for my wrong suggestion.
You are even more of an idiot than I thought if you "see" anything
like that in my responses. I am a friend of my friends, and their
race, gender, creed has nothing whatsoever to do with that. And I
would be ashamed to be counted among the friends of scum like you that
has to be proud of his birth in lack of any other accomplishments.
Your "apology" is a mockery: I'd not consider being member of any
religion or race reason to be ashamed for, certainly much less than
I'd be ashamed of getting the approval of your ilk.
> I don't want to get into a flame war - please respond with
> information on "Open source" relations with the Jews only.
You'll find enough opposition here to justify all your worst fears.
And you'll probably never understand that this is due to intelligent
people's stance towards stupidity, bigotry and hate, and has little to
do with Judaism.
Victor Eijkhout
> the Jewish problem
What problem would that be?
V.
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Victor Eijkhout
> On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
> undermine Jewish power
*splorf*
I have once discovered (probably re-) one of the laws of Usenet:
"If a person's name appears in a subject header, the poster is
unfailingly a net.kook, and the person named a well-respected member of
whatever community the post was made in."
V. "once thus named by archie poo"
David Kastrup
> A. Watcher <b9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the Jewish problem
>
> What problem would that be?
Is trolling allowed on the Sabbath? If yes, how far may you go? Is
viper-mode in breach of shatnes? Do you need separate mailboxes for
SPAM and bounce messages? No wait, SPAM is trefe, anyway.
Madhusudan Singh
> movement. On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
> undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
And what "power" is that ?
Madhusudan Singh
>> See a shrink.
>
> Let me guess - a Zionist? Don't bother discussing the facts, just call
A helpful suggestion. Take your twaddle to the chief open source newsgroup -
comp.os.linux.misc.
They might even call a shrink for you.
David Kastrup
Right-to-left typesetting, which is rarely supported all too well (it
will take Emacs probably well into next year). Fortunately, my name
דוד is a palindrome.
David Kastrup
I don't think there is much left to be shrunk.
A. Watcher
> I am a friend of my friends, and their
> race, gender, creed has nothing whatsoever to do with that. And I
> would be ashamed to be counted among the friends of scum like you that
> has to be proud of his birth in lack of any other accomplishments.
I'm sorry you've misunderstood my message. I don't hate Jews, or have
anything against the Jewish race per se.
Victor Eijkhout wrote:
>> the Jewish problem
>
> What problem would that be?
Internationally, the problem is the racist, Nazi state of Israel. It is
obvious that there cannot be world peace until Israel (which has no
right to exist anyway) is utterly destroyed, and if I had my finger on the
red button I'd nuke Israel tomorrow.
Nationally, in America and to a lesser extent, Britain, France, Germany, Italy
and other countires, the Jews wield enormous political influence, and
control large parts of the mass media.
I'm not saying Jews should be killed, or arrested, or anything like that.
What I want is in the Jews' best interests, if only they could see it.
In France, synagogues are being burnt; in Germany, Jewish cemetries
desecrated; across Europe, I see hatred of the Jews fomenting. While
these actions are wrong, and I condemn them, nonetheless the motives of
those behind them come from just cause. If Jewish assets were confiscated,
and Jews prevented from taking certain jobs in the media and politics, then
this anger and hatred against them would dissipate, and they could live
harmoniously again in Europe.
Madhusudan Singh wrote:
<snip offensive flame-bait material>
> A helpful suggestion. Take your twaddle to the chief open source newsgroup -
> comp.os.linux.misc.
Thanks for your advice - I'll try that.
Boris Veytsman
VE> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:21:46 -0400
VE> I have once discovered (probably re-) one of the laws of Usenet:
VE> "If a person's name appears in a subject header, the poster is
VE> unfailingly a net.kook, and the person named a well-respected member of
VE> whatever community the post was made in."
Hmmmm. I often put in the subject of my postings "A question for
XXX". Now I know I am probably a kook :(
--
Good luck
-Boris
My brother sent me a postcard the other day with this big sattelite photo of
the entire earth on it. On the back it said: "Wish you were here".
-- Steven Wright
roodw...@core.com
> ...a Jewish name?
I made the mistake of eating before I read this and after reading
some of his so-called arguments I feel ill. That's strange because I
meet people like this--people prejudiced against anyone else who isn't
like them--all the time in real life and manage to get through it
appetite unaffected. I suppose it's just because I've come to
appreciate the general intelligence, humanity and helpfulness of this
group that I cringe at the pollution.
But there's no point in answering this guy. People like him just take
your responses as proof that you're contaminated by the group he
doesn't like. There's no way to reason someone out of an irrational
position, especially one with circular logic.
I'm also suspecting he's hoping to start a fight among the
participants in this group, pit Jews against non-Jews. I'm sure there
are other people infesting other groups hoping to pit their pet hated
group against everyone else, all the while pretending to be friendly
and on an intellectual quest. It's a way for irrelevant simple minds
to feel superior.
I remember one racist when I was a kid thoughtfully pulling out and
lighting a pipe as he intellectually intoned ridiculous vile crap. It
hasn't gone out of fashion in the United States and such primitive
thoughts now are dressed up with other words, more elegant vague
phrases. The tactic is called "deniability." They can deny what
they're really saying if someone begins to argue with them. The arguer
just misunderstood, they say.
Of course, the arguer understood all too well.
This one is classic.
Ignore him. Maybe he'll go the way of his dinosaurean thinking.
--Rod
Author of "Linux for Non-Geeks--Clear-eyed Answers for Practical Consumers"
and "Boring Stories from Uncle Rod." Both are available at
http://www.rodwriterpublishing.com/index.html.
To reply take the extra "o" out of the name.
David Kastrup
> I'm also suspecting he's hoping to start a fight among the
> participants in this group, pit Jews against non-Jews.
Too late for that. TeX--XeT is already included into eTeX, the
recommended base for LaTeX. We don't need to choose between
left-to-right and right-to-left typesetting engines anymore.
Now if the Emacs-bidi-branch was up to scratch, we'd have world peace
secured (once vi and all its descendants have been obliterated, of
course).
Giuseppe Bilotta
> Madhusudan Singh <spammers...@spam.invalid> writes:
>
> > A. Watcher wrote:
> >
> > > movement. On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
> > > undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
> >
> > And what "power" is that ?
>
> Right-to-left typesetting, which is rarely supported all too well (it
> will take Emacs probably well into next year). Fortunately, my name
(Ok, Gravity sucks at anything but plain ASCII). Of course only
if you don't vowelize it :P
--
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollar and cents
Pounds shillings and pence
(Roger Waters)
Giuseppe Bilotta
> "roodw...@core.com" <roodw...@core.com> writes:
>
> > I'm also suspecting he's hoping to start a fight among the
> > participants in this group, pit Jews against non-Jews.
>
> Too late for that. TeX--XeT is already included into eTeX, the
> recommended base for LaTeX. We don't need to choose between
> left-to-right and right-to-left typesetting engines anymore.
>
> Now if the Emacs-bidi-branch was up to scratch, we'd have world peace
> secured (once vi and all its descendants have been obliterated, of
> course).
I'll be happy to switch to Emacs+viper when Emacs+viper will be
anywhere close to ViM 6.3 usability wise. BTW, ViM has had bidi
typesetting for a LONG time. (Just to start a new flamewar to
distract from the obvious Goldwhazizname troll ;))
David Kastrup
> David Kastrup wrote:
> > "roodw...@core.com" <roodw...@core.com> writes:
> >
> > > I'm also suspecting he's hoping to start a fight among the
> > > participants in this group, pit Jews against non-Jews.
> >
> > Too late for that. TeX--XeT is already included into eTeX, the
> > recommended base for LaTeX. We don't need to choose between
> > left-to-right and right-to-left typesetting engines anymore.
> >
> > Now if the Emacs-bidi-branch was up to scratch, we'd have world peace
> > secured (once vi and all its descendants have been obliterated, of
> > course).
>
> I'll be happy to switch to Emacs+viper when Emacs+viper will be
> anywhere close to ViM 6.3 usability wise.
AUCTeX-11.52 has a simple toggle for switching to Omega/Lambda/Gamma
(which will also switch to oxdvi and odvips). It has ConTeXt
support. You can easily customize those commands to use eomega/aleph.
And preview-latex will just adapt to what AUCTeX uses. With
preview-latex 0.9, I hope to deal properly with UTF8, too.
I've not seen anything even close to RefTeX on ViM yet. I think that
with regard to TeX production, Emacs will not be anywhere close to ViM
usability wise for quite a long time. Since it is far ahead already.
Giuseppe Bilotta
Too bad using it on my laptop keyboard is too damn
uncomfortable for any practical purpose. I've found myself
typing everything in ViM and then copy and pasting to whatever
application I need the stuff in.
Maurizio Loreti
> I am a Black Jewish Lesbian and proud of it.
Add that you use [La]TeX and not Word, and you belong to the smallest
minority of the net ;-)
--
Maurizio Loreti http://www.pd.infn.it/~loreti/mlo.html
Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Padova, Italy ROT13: ybe...@cq.vasa.vg
David Kastrup
> David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > I am a Black Jewish Lesbian and proud of it.
>
> Add that you use [La]TeX and not Word, and you belong to the smallest
> minority of the net ;-)
I could be using Omega.
Joseph Hertzlinger
> Firstly, Judaism is a race, not a religion.
We Jews can now admit the truth: We're extraterrestrials. After all, a
famous Jew once said "My kingdom is not of this world." We were able
to get here by commandeering Ernst Z\"undel's flying saucers.
> Secondly, I don't believe in any conspiracy theories - on the
> contrary, I think (and I'm sure many Jews would agree) that
> widespread anti-Jewish feeling (especially in Europe) would be
> reduced if Jewish power in the media and politics was reduced.
I'm reminded of newspaper that was shut down because it contained
false allegations of the absence of the freedom of the press.
> I don't want to get into a flame war - please respond with
> information on "Open source" relations with the Jews only.
Donald Knuth's boss is a Jewish Carpenter.
Giuseppe Bilotta
> Maurizio Loreti <m...@foobar.it> writes:
>
> > David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> > > I am a Black Jewish Lesbian and proud of it.
> >
> > Add that you use [La]TeX and not Word, and you belong to the smallest
> > minority of the net ;-)
>
> I could be using Omega.
No you couldn't. (If you had any serious job to do other than
compiling story.tex, that is.) Maybe ConTeXt on e-Omega or
Aleph.
Joseph Hertzlinger
>> See a shrink.
Cf. http://www.ratbags.com/ranters/
> Let me guess - a Zionist? Don't bother discussing the facts,
You appear to have taken that lesson to heart.
Joseph Hertzlinger
> I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate the role played
> by the Jews in the "Open source" movement. On the face of it, "Open
> source" seems to undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
> are operating beneath the surface?
David Kastrup
Did he ever work in that profession? I was of the opinion that while
his purported father (he did boast an impressive pedigree, but there
were rumors of the legitimacy) worked in the profession, Knuth's boss
himself was rather a bookworm, and of the opinion that declaring a
piece of work finished with enough persuasion would make it so.
Rolf Marvin Bøe Lindgren
> See http://www.sadinoff.com/fun/quotes/jewish-unix.txt
Unix is not Jewish. if it were, then if the user did something wrong,
his or her mother's computer would crash.
--
Rolf Lindgren http://www.roffe.com/
ro...@tag.uio.no
Geoff Burling
>> Is b983 an honest name?
>
>I think it's more honest to make it clear that
>I seek anonymity than if I'd made up a false
>name.
>
>I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate
>the role played by the Jews in the "Open source"
>movement. On the face of it, "Open source" seems to
>undermine Jewish power, but who knows what forces
>are operating beneath the surface?
>
at SCO were trying to discredit Open Source.
Geoff
--
David Kastrup
SCO, a company traditionally run by Mormons, but they had to downsize
the second m? Well, they still have M for capital.
Victor Eijkhout
> > I could be using Omega.
>
> No you couldn't. (If you had any serious job to do other than
> compiling story.tex, that is.)
Oh? What's the scoop?
V.
Brian Blackmore
Hmmm, circular arguments... stating opinions as facts...
It would seem that Kastrup is the person who posted the starting message
for this thread, asking himself if he was in fact Jewish. Perhaps he's
been bad lately.
--
Brian Blackmore
blb8 at po dot cwru dot edu
Giuseppe Bilotta
> Giuseppe Bilotta <bilo...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> > > I could be using Omega.
> >
> > No you couldn't. (If you had any serious job to do other than
> > compiling story.tex, that is.)
>
> Oh? What's the scoop?
Omega as-is is not too bug-ridden (1.15) or too bloated and
slow (1.23) for any serious production work.
Giuseppe Bilotta
> Victor Eijkhout wrote:
> > Giuseppe Bilotta <bilo...@hotpop.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > I could be using Omega.
> > >
> > > No you couldn't. (If you had any serious job to do other than
> > > compiling story.tex, that is.)
> >
> > Oh? What's the scoop?
>
> Omega as-is is not too bug-ridden (1.15) or too bloated and
> slow (1.23) for any serious production work.
Do remove the not ...
Robin Fairbairns
(quoting david rasmussen)
>> See a shrink.
>
>Let me guess - a Zionist? Don't bother discussing the facts, just call
>your enemies mad and trust that the US will bully the security council
>into supporting you all the way.
the world would be a better place without racist thugs like you and
the present governments of israel and the sudan.
as david said...
--
Robin (http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq) Fairbairns, Cambridge
David Klassen
> Victor Eijkhout wrote:
> >> the Jewish problem
> >
> > What problem would that be?
>
> Internationally, the problem is the racist, Nazi state of Israel. It is
> obvious that there cannot be world peace until Israel (which has no
> right to exist anyway) is utterly destroyed, and if I had my finger on the
> red button I'd nuke Israel tomorrow.
So, I'm curious, how does one determine which countires "deserve"
to exist? If Isreal doesn't deserve to exist because the moved in
and militarily displaced a population already there, well...history
is just FULL of that kind of nation building. Including the USA.
> I'm not saying Jews should be killed, or arrested, or anything like that.
Of course not. But then "pushing the button" isn't condoning
any kind of genocide afterall. :p
> What I want is in the Jews' best interests, if only they could see it.
To be obliterated in a nuclear fireball is always nice, eh?
> In France, synagogues are being burnt; in Germany, Jewish cemetries
> desecrated; across Europe, I see hatred of the Jews fomenting. While
> these actions are wrong, and I condemn them, nonetheless the motives of
> those behind them come from just cause. If Jewish assets were confiscated,
> and Jews prevented from taking certain jobs in the media and politics, then
> this anger and hatred against them would dissipate, and they could live
> harmoniously again in Europe.
Translation: if they only "knew their place" wouldn't we all just be better off?
Might I suggest you take nice strong draught of hemlock before you post
again? I think we'll all be much better off...
David Kastrup
> b9...@hotmail.com (A. Watcher) wrote:
[80-year old junk]
> Might I suggest you take nice strong draught of hemlock before you
> post again? I think we'll all be much better off...
You are besmearing the memory of Sokrates.
Phillip Lord
David> b9...@hotmail.com (A. Watcher) wrote in message
David> news:<cbce0a29.04082...@posting.google.com>...
>> Victor Eijkhout wrote:
>> >> the Jewish problem
>> >
>> > What problem would that be?
>>
>> Internationally, the problem is the racist, Nazi state of
>> Israel.
David> So, I'm curious, how does one determine which countires
David> "deserve" to exist?
Why are you (and others) arguing with this poster? He's just
trolling. His views are so silly that they even fail at their attempt
of being annoying. Scratching the minor itch that they produce might
make you feel better in the short term, but it's only going to prolong
the irritation.
Cheers
Phil
David Klassen
> kla...@rowan.edu (David Klassen) writes:
>
> > b9...@hotmail.com (A. Watcher) wrote:
>
> [80-year old junk]
>
> > Might I suggest you take nice strong draught of hemlock before you
> > post again? I think we'll all be much better off...
>
> You are besmearing the memory of Sokrates.
Not really. Sokrates knew what he was doing.
Allin Cottrell
> I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate
> the role played by the Jews in the "Open source"
> movement.
Are you for real? I hope not, but the garbage-heap of
history does contain some such types.
Allin Cottrell
David Kastrup
Some? Antisemitism has been a recurring theme through a lot of
centuries in most parts of the world. That the Germans embarrassed
the world into recognizing what abysses of inhumanity can arise from
racism, chauvinism and religious intolerance does not make it a fringe
phenomenon. Unfortunately, it is not just the garbage-heap of history
that spouts intolerance and hate.
But in our times, in which we have seen where this leads, still
disseminating the kind of bile that culminated about 80 years ago, is
a sure sign of being _now_ fit for the garbage heap. We now know the
cost of mindless intolerance, and we would be fools to continue paying
it in our times.
Giuseppe Bilotta
No, he knew he didn't know what he was doing ;)
Allin Cottrell
> Allin Cottrell <cott...@wfu.edu> writes:
>
>>A. Watcher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I should explain myself. I am trying to investigate
>>>the role played by the Jews in the "Open source"
>>>movement.
>>
>>Are you for real? I hope not, but the garbage-heap of
>>history does contain some such types.
>
> Some? Antisemitism has been a recurring theme through a lot of
Make allowance for British understatement. (You're right, of
course.)
--
Allin Cottrell
Department of Economics
Wake Forest University, NC
Art Werschulz
r...@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
> b9...@hotmail.com (A. Watcher) writes:
> (quoting david rasmussen)
> >> See a shrink.
> >
> >Let me guess - a Zionist? Don't bother discussing the facts, just call
> >your enemies mad and trust that the US will bully the security council
> >into supporting you all the way.
>
> the world would be a better place without racist thugs like you and
> the present governments of israel and the sudan.
A couple of thoughts here:
First of all, the comp.text.tex newsgroup isn't the place for a thread
that's as wildly off-topic as this one.
Having said that, I would also like to state that the characterization of
"the present governments of Israel" as being "racist thugs" is
demonstratively false. I am willing to engage the author of that statement
(or any other listmembers who are interested) in respectful dialogue
offlist.
--
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Piet van Oostrum
DK> Joseph Hertzlinger <jcyclespersec...@nine.reticulatedcom.com> writes:
>> On 21 Aug 2004 07:14:22 -0700, A. Watcher <b9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't want to get into a flame war - please respond with
>> > information on "Open source" relations with the Jews only.
>>
>> Donald Knuth's boss is a Jewish Carpenter.
DK> Did he ever work in that profession? I was of the opinion that while
DK> his purported father (he did boast an impressive pedigree, but there
DK> were rumors of the legitimacy) worked in the profession, Knuth's boss
DK> himself was rather a bookworm, and of the opinion that declaring a
DK> piece of work finished with enough persuasion would make it so.
He is called a carpenter in Mark 6:3.
--
Piet van Oostrum <pi...@cs.uu.nl>
URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP]
Private email: P.van....@hccnet.nl