Building TL from source..
Sebastian Szwarc
I would like to do something in that matter.
Is it possible to build from scratch only tlmgr without all other stuff?
I assume tlmgr should be able to upgrade all tl2007 binaries into 2008
version, right?
Sebastian Szwarc
Thomas Arildsen
I would recommend just doing the net install of TexLive 2008 straight
onto your system. I did that on Ubuntu 7.10 recently. It was completely
automatic and worked straight out of the box. It leaves your TL2007 in
place but functionally replaces it by linking its binaries into /usr/
local/bin/, which precedes /usr/bin/ (the location of my TL 2007
binaries, at least in 2007).
I would definitely not go through the trouble of trying to configure the
package manager to update the 2007 install when just replacing it like
this is so easy.
Best regards,
Thomas Arildsen
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Thomas Arildsen
...
> (the location of my TL 2007
> binaries, at least in 2007).
I meant to say: at least in Ubuntu 7.10.
Thomas Arildsen
I would recommend just doing the net install of TexLive 2008 straight onto
your system. I did that on Ubuntu 7.10 recently. It was completely
automatic and worked straight out of the box. It leaves your TL2007 in
place but functionally replaces it by linking its binaries into /usr/
local/bin/, which precedes /usr/bin/ (the location of my TL 2007 binaries,
at least in Ubuntu 7.10).
I would definitely not go through the trouble of trying to configure the
package manager to update the 2007 install when just replacing it like
this is so easy.
Best regards,
Thomas Arildsen
Karl Berry
installation. tlmgr was invented with TL'08 and can't conceivably
work with any previous release.
Sebastian Szwarc
> tlmgr certainly cannot update a TL'07 installation into a TL'08
> installation. tlmgr was invented with TL'08 and can't conceivably
> work with any previous release.
But WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
I dont understand the point..is it SIGNIFICANT difference between TL2007
binaries and TL2008 binaries?
Is latex/pdftex/mpost etc DIFFERENT in 07 than in 08?
Are TEXMF directories located in different place in 08 than in 07?
You want to say that TLMGR cannot discover tl2007 binaries in my curren
texmf tree?
Was it to difficult for you to create universal TL package manager?
You would save lot of work for yourselves.
When TL 2009 will come out, you will write again new package manager
because tlmgr 08 won't work with tl 09 binaries?
Regards
Sebastian Szwarc
Lars Madsen
instead of complaining you should be glad that someone actually spent
their free time writing one.
Several of the TL2008 binaries now rely on lua, some that might be the
reason why it will not work with TL2007.
/daleif
Jim
> But WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
I believe it at least requires the new metadata. One brief source I
found by googling was
http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2008/talks/2008-08-24-norbert-future/preining-context08.pdf
. Another is here.
http://www.logic.at/staff/preining/pubs/at08.pdf
I'm sure you can find more; in particular, the TL archives are open.
Jim
Robin Fairbairns
>Karl Berry pisze:
>> tlmgr certainly cannot update a TL'07 installation into a TL'08
>> installation. tlmgr was invented with TL'08 and can't conceivably
>> work with any previous release.
>
>But WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
>
>I dont understand the point..is it SIGNIFICANT difference between TL2007
>binaries and TL2008 binaries?
the significant difference is that the contents of tl 08 are recorded
in the distribution, whereas those of tl 07 are not. the package
manager runs on the basis of the recorded information.
as a result, even if the manager had been made to work backwards in
this way, it would have replaced every package, to be safe. which
isn't a lot different (in end result) from installing the whole new
distribution as a separate exercise.
so no point in bothering.
>Was it to difficult for you to create universal TL package manager?
>You would save lot of work for yourselves.
>When TL 2009 will come out, you will write again new package manager
>because tlmgr 08 won't work with tl 09 binaries?
i doubt they will. nothing to do with the binaries (though they're
unlikely to be more than similar, if the advent of luatex proceeds as
planned).
of course, one wonders why you (with such 20/20 vision about the way
this important software work should proceed) aren't already working on
the development of tex live.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
Sebastian Szwarc
> instead of complaining you should be glad that someone actually spent
> their free time writing one.
For now I cannot be glad because there is none tlmgr desgined for three
linux distributions I use..
>
> Several of the TL2008 binaries now rely on lua, some that might be the
> reason why it will not work with TL2007.
>
> /daleif
And that's the answer. Thanks very much.
Sebastian
Sebastian Szwarc
Thanks for concrete answer.
>
> of course, one wonders why you (with such 20/20 vision about the way
> this important software work should proceed) aren't already working on
> the development of tex live.
Sorry, but english is not my native tongue and I dont understand the
idiom "20/20" vision. If I have a vision, is it good or not?
I'm sorry but if I start active work on development (in break time of
teaching children programming at school) I would rather help Ch.Shenk to
port MiKteX on Linux than work on TL development.No offense guys, I
didn't want to be impolite, but sometimes I see in your discussion
opinion like
"We did something good. We did it for free. We did it fast. So don't
criticize and don't complain even if something not work."(but this
sounds like MS approach and I simply dont like it.)
Regards
Sebastian Szwarc
Lars Madsen
> It was not complaining but not understanding the answer, that's why I asked.
>
>
>> instead of complaining you should be glad that someone actually spent
>> their free time writing one.
>
> For now I cannot be glad because there is none tlmgr desgined for three
> linux distributions I use..
>
which? tlmgr runs on amd and intel based systems
Lars Madsen
exactly when has anyone said something the above?
I KNOW for a fact that the people on the texlive list is VERY helpful
when something does not work. But you have the same thing with miktex
you cannot use the 2.7 tools with the 2.5 version.
But feel free to help porting miktex.
/daleif
Paul Vojta
Sebastian Szwarc <beyo...@tlen.pl> wrote:
>Hi, Robin.
>Thanks for concrete answer.
>
>>
>> of course, one wonders why you (with such 20/20 vision about the way
>> this important software work should proceed) aren't already working on
>> the development of tex live.
>
>Sorry, but english is not my native tongue and I dont understand the
>idiom "20/20" vision. If I have a vision, is it good or not?
20/20 is perfect eyesight (at 20 feet you can see what a "normal person"
would see at 20 feet).
--Paul Vojta, vo...@math.berkeley.edu
Karl Berry
that others mentioned has everything to do with it -- there was no TL
package manager in 2007 or earlier. 2008 was the first time.
We won't write an entirely new package manager in 2009, but it most
likely will not be possible to upgrade from 08 to 09, either, since
there are other infrastructure changes we want to make.
karl