Debian
Fillo
I've a Ultra AXI 300MHZ.
I've installed a basic Debian. The NIC doesn't work very well... I've an 80%
of packets loss. With Solaris 7 they work well. Anyone have a solution? Can
I upgrade a OpenBoot? The Debian dist is 30r2... I must recompile the driver
?!? What is the right way?
Thanks.
Fillo.
Rich Teer
> Hi,
>
> I've a Ultra AXI 300MHZ.
> I've installed a basic Debian. The NIC doesn't work very well... I've an 80%
> of packets loss. With Solaris 7 they work well. Anyone have a solution? Can
WHat about the obvious one: run Solaris instead of Linux.
> I upgrade a OpenBoot? The Debian dist is 30r2... I must recompile the driver
> ?!? What is the right way?
Run Solaris on SPARC hardware; it's that simple.
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Fillo
I want Linux.
SUN can support LINUX
Linux it's free...
Fillo.
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Sebastian Jaenicke
* Fillo <fillowe...@email.it> wrote:
> I don't want run SOLARIS.
> I want Linux.
> SUN can support LINUX
> Linux it's free...
Solaris works. Linux obviously doesn't, but you insist on
running Linux. This sounds quite strange - so why do you
complain about Sun instead of Linux?
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Rich Teer
> "Fillo" <fillowe...@email.it> writes:
> >I don't want run SOLARIS.
>
> Why are you posting (upside down) to a Solaris group, then?
Using Outhouse Express, no less, as the headers reveal...
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>I don't want run SOLARIS.
>I want Linux.
>SUN can support LINUX
>Linux it's free...
If you're using Debian, go to a Debian/Linux group: linux.debian.user
...but then using MS Outlook to incites Linux over Solaris.
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Dennis Grevenstein
Aside from the usual "Linux is evil" blabla you might try
upgrading the kernel to something newer. I'm not familiar
with the various versions of AXI boards, but the standard
hme Ethernet is supposed to work fine.
There's a Debian SPARC mailing list too.
mfg
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Chris Newport
Try updating to a recent kernel.
A lot of HME bugs have been fixed recently.
Solaris 9 would probably be a better choice on this machine but YMMV.
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Ste Kearney
> I want Linux.
> SUN can support LINUX
> Linux it's free...
Solaris is free. Well -ish...
And, I am informed fairly reliably will be Open Source pretty soon.
Anyone else caught that rumour?
Steve
Dave Uhring
> And if you're determined to run Linux, then why aren't you running one
> that is officially supported by Sun? Try SuSE or RedHat if you absolutely
> MUST run Linux on gear that has a better OS custom-designed for it.
Neither one of those Linux distributions currently supports SPARC
architecture. Sun supports them only on x86 hardware.
Besides, neither one is "FREE" :-)
Roland Mainz
I suggest to file a bug at http://bugs.debian.org/ ...
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SchroedingerzKat
>> that is officially supported by Sun? Try SuSE or RedHat if you absolutely
>> MUST run Linux on gear that has a better OS custom-designed for it.
>
>Neither one of those Linux distributions currently supports SPARC
>architecture. Sun supports them only on x86 hardware.
I went with Debian on Sparc32. Should be a few more choices on Sparc64,
including alternatives like FreeBSD.
Redhat and SuSE both had a Sparc variant at one time, but I think that's been
years. I remember a Redhat 6.x (now up to past 9 for x86) and SuSE 7.x (now up
to 9.x for x86). Slack also had a Sparc variant at one point.
>Besides, neither one is "FREE" :-)
I think Redhat Sparc was a free download, don't know about SuSE. Debian is
closer to "free" software (GPL and other constraints) if that's what you meant.
Michael
Dave Uhring
> I went with Debian on Sparc32. Should be a few more choices on Sparc64,
> including alternatives like FreeBSD.
FreeBSD has sucked since Jordan Hubbard left. I just overwrote
FreeBSD-4.10 with Solaris Express b58 on my desktop machine and that one
will stay there for a while.
NetBSD does not support the Creator 3D framebuffer and OpenBSD has
miserable support for the hme NIC.
> Redhat and SuSE both had a Sparc variant at one time, but I think that's been
> years. I remember a Redhat 6.x (now up to past 9 for x86) and SuSE 7.x (now up
> to 9.x for x86). Slack also had a Sparc variant at one point.
As I pointed out, neither of the distros supported by Sun are current for
SPARC, nor does Sun support them on SPARC.
>>Besides, neither one is "FREE" :-)
>
> I think Redhat Sparc was a free download, don't know about SuSE. Debian is
> closer to "free" software (GPL and other constraints) if that's what you meant.
It was the OP who declared that "Linux it's free...", whatever that means.
Chris Newport
wrote:
> Redhat and SuSE both had a Sparc variant at one time, but I think that's
> been
> years. I remember a Redhat 6.x (now up to past 9 for x86) and SuSE 7.x
> (now up
> to 9.x for x86). Slack also had a Sparc variant at one point.
>
>>Besides, neither one is "FREE" :-)
>
> I think Redhat Sparc was a free download, don't know about SuSE. Debian
> is closer to "free" software (GPL and other constraints) if that's what
> you meant.
Dave means that Sun does not support ANY version of Linux on Sparc.
If you like Slackware you could try http://www.splack.org/
Hans Surst
wrote:
> I went with Debian on Sparc32. Should be a few more choices on Sparc64,
> including alternatives like FreeBSD.
AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
want SPARC64.
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Dennis Grevenstein
> > I went with Debian on Sparc32. Should be a few more choices on Sparc64,
> > including alternatives like FreeBSD.
> AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
> want SPARC64.
I guess he means 64bit SPARCs or sparcv9. That's commonly
referred to as sparc64 by open source operating systems.
Dennis Grevenstein
> As I pointed out, neither of the distros supported by Sun are current for
> SPARC, nor does Sun support them on SPARC.
Why should Sun support Linux on SPARC? They want to sell Solaris.
> It was the OP who declared that "Linux it's free...", whatever that means.
It's "free" as in "open source". That doesn't have to mean
that it won't cost you anything. Debian is pretty close to
"free" as in "no costs" though. People tend to expect that
Linux is a real product like Solaris that they always have to
get for free, but it isn't. If you want a real product with
a producer you can blame for not giving you patches or
support you have to buy Solaris or some or those "professional"
or "enterprise" packages available from Redhat, SuSE, etc.
As far as I know no such Linux distribution is available
for SPARC.
Gl...@canit.se
+Ste Kearney <s...@NAESPAMkilniess.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> I don't want run SOLARIS.
>> I want Linux.
>> SUN can support LINUX
>> Linux it's free...
>Solaris is free. Well -ish...
Not really.. at least not if you want to use it anywhere else than home,
however I think that this is a pretty smart licensing, even if I would
change some stuff in it if someone asked me to do it :)
>And, I am informed fairly reliably will be Open Source pretty soon.
>Anyone else caught that rumour?
Yep, sun seem to try to copy the failures of Commodore and Silicon Graphics,
i.e stop focusing on what they are good at, and try to please customers that
they dont have, and never will get.. (and in commodores case, die, in
SGI's case.. probably die.. but I hope they survive..)
Some recent mistakes:
Solaris open source: Stupid.. I like open source, but its not good for
everything, operatingsystem used for serious stuff is one thing. The
rumor also say it will be GPL.. GPL is a extremly stupid license, and
any linuxfanatic that are going to throw shit on me for saying that.. have
YOU readed the GPL license ? all of it ? did you understand it ? ..if not,
crawl back under your stone and stay there until you did.
Focusing on linux: EXTREMLY stupid.. Solaris is the only remaining
"real" UNIX on the market that still have a strong position, I dont
see any problems with helping linux developers to develop drivers and
provide them with data about sun hardware (I actually think that its good)
but trying to make some own linuxdist is so stupid that I cant find words.
Supporting windows: Well, do I have to explain this ? the one and only reason
that this could be good is if m*cros*ft actually PAY Sun to being able
to support their machines.. If this is the case I have no complains,
anywhing else would be bad.
Focusing on Opteron: Actually I'm not sure about this, it CAN be a good
move, however I suspect that it isn't.. would be better to focus on
the SPARC architecture instead. (btw, does anyone know if the
opteron based machines are some OEM'ed el cheapo crap made in taiwan
just like the x86-machines from sun ?) Also please note that SGI
never earned a single cent on their *BIG* x86 "revolution" a few years
ago, and then we should remember that they sold ALOT of machines..
Changing basic structures in Solaris: Even people very fond of windows
usally agrees that the registry is a bad idea and a big mess.. now with
solaris 10 sun are going to take this bad idea and replace /etc with it,
personally I think one of the best things in *IX is that you can
do everything in textmode, working on files.. ..Well it looks like
Solaris9 will be the last version os solaris that I ever going to use
home for fun anyway.. ..There also is some other stupid stuff in sol10,
but I dont want to say anything about them before I actually used a
machine with a releaseversion of sol10.
..Finally.. I say some evil things about linux, but I dont have anything
against it.. I actually use it myself on my laptop and a few other machines,
I also admin linuxmachines at work.. however I dont share the linuxjugends
stupid "Linux is best for everything" idea, and never will.
Donn Miller
> Solaris open source: Stupid.. I like open source, but its not good for
> everything, operatingsystem used for serious stuff is one thing. The
> rumor also say it will be GPL.. GPL is a extremly stupid license, and
> any linuxfanatic that are going to throw shit on me for saying that.. have
> YOU readed the GPL license ? all of it ? did you understand it ? ..if not,
> crawl back under your stone and stay there until you did.
I agree. I'd personally like to see Solaris released under a BSD-style
license, and for Sun to start contributing back to the BSD community. I
say this because BSD is part of Sun's history.
Hans Surst
wrote:
>> AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
>> want SPARC64.
>
> I guess he means 64bit SPARCs or sparcv9. That's commonly
> referred to as sparc64 by open source operating systems.
thats interesting! How do they call SPARC64 CPUs? (just asking)
Chris Newport
> On 12 Jun 2004 14:39:11 GMT, Dennis Grevenstein <den...@pcde.inka.de>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
>>> want SPARC64.
>>
>> I guess he means 64bit SPARCs or sparcv9. That's commonly
>> referred to as sparc64 by open source operating systems.
>
> thats interesting! How do they call SPARC64 CPUs? (just asking)
In theory the 64bit Linux kernel should work with the Fujitsu
processors. In practice it is only tested on SparcV9 because none
of the Sparc kernel team has a Fujitsu machine for testing.
I have never seen any reports of problems on the sparclinux mailing
list so I can only presume that either it works or nobody
is using Linux on a Fujitsu box.
I suspect that Keith, the current maintainer, would appreciate the
donation of suitable systems for testing and development.
In reality they seem to be rather rare "in the wild".
SchroedingerzKat
>On Monday 14 June 2004 11:25 pm in comp.sys.sun.hardware Hans Surst wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jun 2004 14:39:11 GMT, Dennis Grevenstein <den...@pcde.inka.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
>>>> want SPARC64.
>>>
>>> I guess he means 64bit SPARCs or sparcv9. That's commonly
>>> referred to as sparc64 by open source operating systems.
>>
>> thats interesting! How do they call SPARC64 CPUs? (just asking)
>
Yeah just for simplicity Debian uses the term sparc32 and sparc64 i believe. I
obviously commited a faux pas in saying sparc64.
>In theory the 64bit Linux kernel should work with the Fujitsu
>processors. In practice it is only tested on SparcV9 because none
>of the Sparc kernel team has a Fujitsu machine for testing.
>
>I have never seen any reports of problems on the sparclinux mailing
>list so I can only presume that either it works or nobody
>is using Linux on a Fujitsu box.
What runs on a Fujitsu? Solaris? Just curious.
I believe I saw an ad for a HAL machine using the term "SPARC64." Now that's
just a Sun clone with Sparc V9 right?
Michael
Dennis Grevenstein
> What runs on a Fujitsu? Solaris? Just curious.
Yes.
> I believe I saw an ad for a HAL machine using the term "SPARC64." Now that's
> just a Sun clone with Sparc V9 right?
No, The SPARC64 came from HAL originally.
mfg
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Alan Coopersmith
|On 12 Jun 2004 14:39:11 GMT, Dennis Grevenstein <den...@pcde.inka.de>
|wrote:
|
|
|>> AXi boards aren't SPARC64 boards. Choose a Fujitsu/Siemens system if you
|>> want SPARC64.
|>
|> I guess he means 64bit SPARCs or sparcv9. That's commonly
|> referred to as sparc64 by open source operating systems.
|
|thats interesting! How do they call SPARC64 CPUs? (just asking)
"Too rare and expensive to play with" (since they're mainly found in big
servers, not Ultra workstations you can find used for $100 off e-bay).
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