Need help with Indycam
Kevin Lister
I would like to setup a cron job to take a snapshot every hour or so.
However, capture appears to be interactive only.
Can anyone provide an alternative to capture?
thanks!
kev
Wolfgang Szoecs
Wolfgang
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Wolfgang Szoecs, Developer Online Consulting / / wo...@sgi.com
Jan-Frode Myklebust
>Hi all,
>
>I would like to setup a cron job to take a snapshot every hour or so.
>However, capture appears to be interactive only.
>
>Can anyone provide an alternative to capture?
>
Here's how I take a snapshot when someone enters
<http://kunst/cgi-bin/picture.cgi> with a browser.
small cgi script:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#!/bin/sh
echo Content-type: text/html
echo
/sbin/rm -f /tmp/out-00000.rgb
/usr/sbin/vidtomem -f /tmp/out -z 1/2 > /dev/null
/usr/sbin/dmconvert -f "gif" /tmp/out-00000.rgb /tmp/ut.gif
chmod 777 /tmp/ut.gif
echo "<html><head><title>Doing work????</title></head><body
bgcolor=\"#000000\"
text=\"#f0f0f0\" link=\"#ffff00\" vlink=\"#0099ff\" alink=\"#00ffff\">"
echo "<h1 align=center>Is anyone doing work??</h1><br>"
echo "<img src=\"/images/office2.gif\" align=left width=320 height=240
hspace=10
vspace=5>"
echo "<p>This picture was taken when you entered the page, and if you are
"
echo "lucky, you caught someone actually doing work in the computer "
echo "lab. If you took this picture during normal work-hours, it was "
echo "probably Alf, and if it was in odd hours it might've been "
echo "someone from the crack developer team (Stig, Espen, Arne or Karl
Trygve)"
echo "</p>"
echo
echo
echo "<p>Just reload this page to get a new picture.</p>"
echo "<p>(re)Arranged by Jan-Frode</p>"
echo "<p>Please mail questions to "
echo "<<a
href=\"mailto:janf...@kunst.uib.no\">janf...@kunst.uib.no</a>>
</p>"
echo "<br clear=all>"
echo "<hr>"
echo "<p align=center>[<a href=\"/\">Go back to main page</a>]</p>"
echo "</body></html>"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
Jan-frode <janf...@kunst.uib.no>
Zsolt Szabo
Kevin Lister <ke...@kevster.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I would like to setup a cron job to take a snapshot every hour or so.
>However, capture appears to be interactive only.
>
>Can anyone provide an alternative to capture?
write a shell script that's executed by a crontab entry every hour and
takes pictures. I'd also recommend using dmconvert in order to convert the
large rgb files to a more reasonably sized format--especially since you
want to take pictures every hour.
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/__\ (_)|| __) /(_||_)(_)
Kevin Lister
kev
Wolfgang Szoecs wrote:
>
> In article <01be3d33$d15fde60$0901...@chunky.kevster.com>,
> "Kevin Lister" <ke...@kevster.com> writes:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I would like to setup a cron job to take a snapshot every hour or so.
> >However, capture appears to be interactive only.
> >
> >Can anyone provide an alternative to capture?
> >
> >thanks!
> ..see the hint: vidtomem in my previous article ;-)
>
> Wolfgang
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> _____ _ ___ ______ __ _
> / ___/(_) (_)________ ____ / ____/________ _____ / /_ (_)_________
> \__ \/ / / / ___/ __ \/ __ \/ / __/ ___/ __ `/ __ \/ __ \/ / ___/ ___/
> ___/ / / / / /__/ /_/ / / / / /_/ / / / /_/ / /_/ / / / / / /__(__ )
> /____/_/_/_/\___/\____/_/ /_/\____/_/ \__,_/ .___/_/ /_/_/\___/____/
> Wolfgang Szoecs, Developer Online Consulting / / wo...@sgi.com
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Kevin Lister
kev
Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote:
>
> On 11 Jan 1999 07:25:00 GMT, Kevin Lister <ke...@kevster.com> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I would like to setup a cron job to take a snapshot every hour or so.
> >However, capture appears to be interactive only.
> >
> >Can anyone provide an alternative to capture?
> >
>
--
Kevin Lister
they are for.
I checked the SGI FAQ's and didn't see much on Indycam/Graphics stuff
that was relevant to my question. I have never heard of vidtomem and
have had some very good responses from others on the net. Furthermore, I
did check the news archives and saw nothing on vidtomem.
I was not SPAMMING, I was asking for help. I only posted to groups that
I thought were relevant.
Please feel free to place me in your kill file and ignore any posts from
me in the future.
thanks,
kev
"Brent L. Bates" wrote:
>
> This is a VERY FAQ. Have you checked the news archives at all???
> Try `vidtomem' or something like that. `apropos video'.
> Stop SPAMMING the SGI groups!!
>
> --
>
> Brent L. Bates (UNIX Sys. Admin.) Phone:(757) 864-2854
> M.S. 912 Phone:(757) 865-1400, x204
> NASA Langley Research Center FAX:(757) 865-8177
> Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001
> Email: B.L....@larc.nasa.gov http://www.vigyan.com/~blbates/
>
> Under US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B)
> This email address may not be added to any commercial mail list with out
> my permission. Violation of my privacy with advertising or SPAM will
> result in a suit for a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident, $1500 for repeats.
Kevin Lister
comp.sys.sgi.admin
comp.sys.sgi.graphics
comp.sys.sgi.hardware
I hardly think this is a DOZEN groups. I suppose its possible that
somehow I managed to post to more groups than the three above without
knowing, but that wasn't my intention.
Even if it was my intention it is NONE of your concern. You do not make
the rules and NO-ONE else is complaining.
I did in fact check the newsgroups for 'Indycam' and did not find the
answer I was looking for. I really don't see what your objection is to
my simple question.
kev
"Brent L. Bates" wrote:
>
> Posting a question to ONE or TWO groups is fine, posting to a DOZEN groups
> is ABUSE and THAT is what you did. Like I said, your question is a VFAQ and IS
> in the archives, if you had bothered to look.
Kevin Lister
I posted to four newsgroups:
comp.sys.sgi.misc
comp.sys.sgi.admin
comp.sys.sgi.graphics
comp.sys.sgi.hardware
My apologies, I forgot about the misc group. Again, I hardly think that
this adds up to a DOZEN groups as you claim. I don't think I am guilty
of any type of abuse.
Furthermore, it is also possible for someone to plug into the newsgroups
without knowing about all of the excellent resources available on the
net. I would appreciate kind, helpful responses rather than a flame for
not knowing everything.
kev
Zsolt Szabo
Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>In article <369A8006...@cup.hp.com>, Kevin Lister <k...@cup.hp.com> writes:
>> Excuse me, but I thought that requesting help on the newsgroups was what
>> they are for.
>
>Look at the name. *News*groups. Not *freehelp*groups.
>
>> I was not SPAMMING, I was asking for help. I only posted to groups that
>> I thought were relevant.
>
>before before asking it yet again. There are several good search engines
>on the net that will let you check old news postings - DejaNews and
>Altavista are but two of them.
>
>It's considered rude to ask something that's been asked a million times
>before, and which you can easily find the answer to yourself.
Not everybody who has used an SGI before is familiar with those
alternative resources. Furthermore, with so little activity in these
groups as is, I don't mind answering questions every now and then. I think
a lot more bandwidth has been wasted in this debate than in the original
post.
If I didn't want to help, I could always choose to ignore the message.
Arthur Hagen
In article <369A8006...@cup.hp.com>, Kevin Lister <k...@cup.hp.com> writes:
> Excuse me, but I thought that requesting help on the newsgroups was what
> they are for.
No, they are not.
Look at the name. *News*groups. Not *freehelp*groups.
> I was not SPAMMING, I was asking for help. I only posted to groups that
> I thought were relevant.
Point is that it doesn't hurt to see if the same question has been asked
before before asking it yet again. There are several good search engines
on the net that will let you check old news postings - DejaNews and
Altavista are but two of them.
It's considered rude to ask something that's been asked a million times
before, and which you can easily find the answer to yourself.
--
*Art
hesse
forum to play *boss*. - poor psyches.
mkhd
Arthur Hagen
In article <369B088E...@oci.unizh.ch>, hesse <hes...@oci.unizh.ch> writes:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
> > Point is that it doesn't hurt to see if the same question has been asked
> > before before asking it yet again. There are several good search engines
> > on the net that will let you check old news postings - DejaNews and
> > Altavista are but two of them.
> >
> > It's considered rude to ask something that's been asked a million times
> > before, and which you can easily find the answer to yourself.
>
> pure bullshit! There seem to be a few people around that abuse such a discussion
> forum to play *boss*. - poor psyches.
That's your opinion.
The opinion of the Netiquette FAQ, RFC1855 - which is as close to a
"bible" as you can get on usenet behaviour - is:
3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
* Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months
before you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding
of the culture of the group.
3.1.3 NetNews Guidelines
* Consider using Reference sources (Computer Manuals, Newspapers,
help files) before posting a question. Asking a Newsgroup where
answers are readily available elsewhere generates grumpy "RTFM"
(read the fine manual - although a more vulgar meaning of the word
beginning with "f" is usually implied) messages.
The opinion of the "Usenet Primer", which is frequently posted to
news.misc, news.answers and news.announce.newusers is this:
* Only post something after you've followed the group for a few
weeks, after you have read the Frequently Asked Questions
posting if the group has one, and if you still have a question
or opinion that others will probably find interesting. If you
have something interesting to contribute, you'll find that you
gain almost instant acceptance, and your posting will generate a
large number of follow-up postings. Use these in your research;
it is a far more efficient (and accepted) way to learn about the
group than to follow that first instinct and post a simple
questionnaire.
The opinion of Mark Horton's "Rules for posting to Usenet" document,
which is also frequently posted to the above newsgroups, and is part
of almost any Usenet FAQ collection is:
* Before posting a question to the net (especially one that you
think will be easy for experts to answer), consider carefully
whether posting is the most appropriate way to get the answer.
There are many ways to find answers without using up network
resources and forcing thousands of people to read your question
(and several helpful volunteers to spend time responding). Many
newsgroups have a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list that is
posted periodically (usually every few weeks), and they are also
usually cross-posted to news.answers. They usually have
explicit expiration dates set, so they shouldn't be expired
until a new version has been posted, so if you can't find the
FAQ in either the newsgroup or news.answers, there probably
isn't one (thus, it's probably not useful to post a question
asking whether there is one). If you have local experts (or
simply more experienced users than yourself) at your site, try
asking them before posting. If you're trying to find where you
can FTP software or a newsgroup archive, try using the Archie
service; see postings in news.answers for details. Many
newsgroups are also archived in Wide Area Information Service
(WAIS) databases; WAIS client software may be FTPed from
ftp.think.com, or you may use WAIS by telnetting to
quake.think.com and logging in as "wais". Finally, you should
also check the manuals for your system; if you don't, and you
post a question that's answered there, you'll likely receive a
number of responses that scream "RTFM" (Read the F*ing Manual).
My opinion (and others too, I'm sure) is that our time is to valuable
to waste on helping people who are rude, so you just made it into a
killfile. Meaning we won't see your postings in the future. Meaning
you have a less chance of getting help if really needed, cause many
people won't ever see your postings.
People who call the RFC's "pure bullshit!" may find that they're less
than welcome in *any* public internet forum.
The Usenet FAQ's for SGI/IRIX may be found at
<URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/sgi/faq/top.html>,
and are also regularly posted to the various comp.sys.sgi.* newsgroups.
By the way - I advise you to also learn about quoting if you plan to
post to other newsgroups in the future without getting flamed.
From the same RFC1855:
* If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure
readers understand when they start to read your response. Since
NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings
from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a
message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone.
But do not include the entire original!
Now go look up the phrase *plonk* in your usenet resources (or since
you think looking up things is bullshit, post to news.answers asking
what it means).
--
*Art
hesse
mkhd
Zsolt Szabo
hesse <hes...@oci.unizh.ch> wrote:
>Ooooooh my god.....
>
:-)
I must agree, though; the notion of "netiquette" is completely outdated.
For one, it doesn't take into account the recent influx of people who have
never even heard of such things as "RFC" before and are not planning on
spending much time learning about them, either. If you want a perfectly
orderly newsgroup, you can
a) look forward to Internet2
b) start your own moderated group
Other than that, there is little else you can do, except pray that you
won't see an increased number of "XXX" ads in the near future. I'd say, be
content that the guy is talking about SGIs at all, instead of something
like manually masturbating caged animals for a living <g>
Kevin Lister
maybe others? You don't even know all of the facts. Maybe I'm just a 16
year old boy who is just learning about this stuff. There is no good
reason for people like you and Brent Bates to be so critical about a
couple of simple posts to 4 relevant newsgroups. I have stated that I
did look for dirt on the Indycam and found lots of info but somehow
missed the stuff on vidtomem. Is that a crime?
At least you are not out-and-out lieing like Brent Bates. SPAMMING?
Posting to a DOZEN newsgroups? Posting the same question over-and-over
for several days? NONE of this is true. He would know that if he had
looked at the times on the posts.
I did post twice on the subject only because my PC didn't appear to post
the message the first time.
I don't think I have to apologize for anything here. You are becoming
just as much a problem as Brent Bates has been. I have had kind helpful
responses from others. Please leave me and others who are simply in
search of knowledge alone.
thank you,
kev
PS
For all of you who offered kind and helpful responses, I thank you. For
the rest of you who have nothing better to do but sit on the newsgroups
and cry foul for the most ridiculous reasons, get over it. Life is just
too short! :^)
kev
"Randolph J. Herber" wrote:
>
> The following header lines retained to affect attribution:
> |From: Kevin Lister <k...@cup.hp.com>
> |Subject: Re: Need help with Indycam
> |Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:49:42 -0800
> |To: "Brent L. Bates" <blb...@vigyan.com>
> |To: info-ir...@arl.mil
>
> |Excuse me, but I thought that requesting help on the newsgroups was what
> |they are for.
>
> After you have made a reasonable effort at a search.
> Parts of a reasonable search are:
>
> 1) using man -k
> # man -k capture
> capture (1) - record movies, images, or sounds
> drain (7P) - capture unimplemented link-layer protocols
> import (1) - capture some or all of an X server screen and save the image to a file.
> netsnoop (1M) - capture and decode network traffic
> outputd (1X) - capture application output and errors
> vidtomem (1) - Video Library capture single frame tool
>
> 2)apropos
> # apropos video | grep capture
> vidtomem (1) - Video Library capture single frame tool
>
> 3)insight
> This is a GUI application. Using ``video frames'' as the search argument,
> 8 items are found. Among those 8 items is:
>
> 7. SGI_EndUser - MediaCtls_UG: Using the Command Line Tools to Output and
> Save Video Frames. Listed among the command line tools is vidtomem with
> the description: `` Saves frames from video to disk. Available on all
> video products.''
>
> 4) Reading the SGI FAQs:
> In the SGI movie Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), you can find:
> Subject: -35- I want to capture a still image from video using a shell
> script. The Capture tool doesn't seem to be appropriate
> because it waits for the user to click the mouse button.
> How can I accomplish this?
> Date: Thu May 2 16:47:44 PDT 1996
>
> Check out the vidtomem program. It will do just what you want.
>
> 5) using Deja News as a search engine on the comp.sys.sgi.* news groups:
> URL: //www.dejanew.com
> search argument: comp.sys.sgi.* command line video capture
> gives the result (using the lynx browser):
>
> Search Results
>
> [1][ISMAP:nav_g5.gif]-[2]Deja News Toolbar
>
> [3]Please visit our sponsor
> [4]Explore by clicking here
>
> Search Results [5]help
>
> view results in [6]list format
>
> Messages 1-12 of exactly 12 matches for search
> comp.sys.sgi.* command line video capture:
> [7]Date Scr [8]Subject [9]Newsgroup
> [10]Author
>
> 1. 99/01/06 062 [11]SGI movie Frequently Ask#9/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 2. 98/12/02 061 [12]Re: vidtomem help needed comp.sys.sgi.graphics
> eflorac
> 3. 98/12/01 061 [13]Re: vidtomem help needed comp.sys.sgi.graphics
> Snowie
> 4. 98/12/20 060 [14]SGI movie Frequently Ask#9/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 5. 99/01/06 059 [15]SGI movie Frequently Ask#8/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 6. 98/12/06 059 [16]SGI movie Frequently Ask#9/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 7. 98/12/20 057 [17]SGI movie Frequently Ask#8/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 8. 98/12/06 056 [18]SGI movie Frequently Ask#8/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 9. 98/12/07 055 [19]Re: vidtomem help needed comp.sys.sgi.graphics
> Snowie
> 10. 99/01recent1 [20]SGI movie FrestandardAsk#1/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 11. 98/12/20 049 [21]SGI movie Frequently Ask#1/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
> 12. 98/12/06 048 [22]SGI movie Frequently Ask#1/1 comp.sys.sgi.misc
> The SGI FAQ gro
>
> << Previous matches . Next matches >>
>
> Search Again [23]help
>
> for more options - try [24]power search
>
> |I checked the SGI FAQ's and didn't see much on Indycam/Graphics stuff
> |that was relevant to my question. I have never heard of vidtomem and
> |have had some very good responses from others on the net. Furthermore, I
> |did check the news archives and saw nothing on vidtomem.
>
> As I demonstrated above, you did not try very hard.
>
> |I was not SPAMMING, I was asking for help. I only posted to groups that
> |I thought were relevant.
>
> You did spam. You asked the same question repetitively over several days.
>
> I suggest reading RFC 1855: Netiquette Guidelines.
>
> URL: http://info.internet.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc1855.txt
>
> (RFC search engine: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html)
>
> |Please feel free to place me in your kill file and ignore any posts from
> |me in the future.
>
> I just may. aol.com and hotmail.com and two individuals have already
> entered that list.
>
> |thanks,
>
> |kev
>
> |"Brent L. Bates" wrote:
>
> |> This is a VERY FAQ. Have you checked the news archives at all???
> |> Try `vidtomem' or something like that. `apropos video'.
> |> Stop SPAMMING the SGI groups!!
>
> |> --
>
> |> Brent L. Bates (UNIX Sys. Admin.) Phone:(757) 864-2854
> |> M.S. 912 Phone:(757) 865-1400, x204
> |> NASA Langley Research Center FAX:(757) 865-8177
> |> Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001
> |> Email: B.L....@larc.nasa.gov http://www.vigyan.com/~blbates/
>
> |> Under US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B)
> |> This email address may not be added to any commercial mail list with out
> |> my permission. Violation of my privacy with advertising or SPAM will
> |> result in a suit for a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident, $1500 for repeats.
>
> |Kevin Lister | HP | 408 447.4762 | k...@cup.hp.com
>
> Randolph J. Herber, her...@dcdrjh.fnal.gov, +1 630 840 2966, CD/CDFTF PK-149F,
> Mail Stop 318, Fermilab, Kirk & Pine Rds., PO Box 500, Batavia, IL 60510-0500,
> USA. (Speaking for myself and not for US, US DOE, FNAL nor URA.) (Product,
> trade, or service marks herein belong to their respective owners.)
Kevin Lister
rising!!! The newsgroup will fly apart at any moment.
:^)
Like I'm going to wait one to two months to seek an answer for
something!
Sheesh, I never wanted this nasty business to start in the first place.
I vote that this be the last email on this subject and, yes, you can bet
that I will make a truly heroic effort to find information before
venturing out on the comp.sys.sgi.* newsgroups.
'nuff said,
kev
thur Hagen wrote:
>
> In article <369B088E...@oci.unizh.ch>, hesse <hes...@oci.unizh.ch> writes:
>
> > Arthur Hagen wrote:
> >
> > > Point is that it doesn't hurt to see if the same question has been asked
> > > before before asking it yet again. There are several good search engines
> > > on the net that will let you check old news postings - DejaNews and
> > > Altavista are but two of them.
> > >
> > > It's considered rude to ask something that's been asked a million times
> > > before, and which you can easily find the answer to yourself.
> >
> > pure bullshit! There seem to be a few people around that abuse such a discussion
> > forum to play *boss*. - poor psyches.
>
> That's your opinion.
>
> The opinion of the Netiquette FAQ, RFC1855 - which is as close to a
> "bible" as you can get on usenet behaviour - is:
[Load of utterly useless nonsense deleted]
> --
> *Art
Arthur Hagen
> I don't think I have to apologize for anything here. You are becoming
> just as much a problem as Brent Bates has been. I have had kind helpful
> responses from others. Please leave me and others who are simply in
> search of knowledge alone.
Randolph Herber happens to be one of the most skillfull *and* helpful
posters here. If you were in search of knowledge, that would have been
well and fine. However, you want others to do your job for you for
free. When you don't even want to look up something yourself, but
expect others to spend their time doing that for you, and chew and
digest the information for you, you're not in any way in search of
knowledge, but sloth.
> For all of you who offered kind and helpful responses, I thank you. For
> the rest of you who have nothing better to do but sit on the newsgroups
> and cry foul for the most ridiculous reasons, get over it. Life is just
> too short! :^)
If you look a bit closer at these newsgroups, you will find hundreds if
not thousands of helpful answers given by Randolph, Brent and myself.
Where's your contribution?
--
*Art
Kevin Lister
from me that I should ever question such lofty intellects. :)
I didn't realize that people were required to have credentials to ask a
simple question. I will state this once again for those who have read
but not absorbed: "I made an effort to search the dejanews archives for
the keyword 'Indycam' and 'graphics' and I did look thru the man pages".
vidtomem simply wasn't in any of the stuff the search engine found. It
did not occur to me to search for "video" or "vidtomem".
I am simply a system admin that is looking at playing around with
graphics. I had several KIND and USEFUL responses and some responses
that basically said to ignore people like you, Randolph and Brent.
Apparently at least two of you are known to harass posters for simple
goofs. Instead of flaming people why not just say something like:
"There's a better way to do this, would you mind if I helped?" Honestly,
the amount of time that you have spent on this simply isn't working.
As far as my abilities go, you simply do not know me and it is unfair
for you to pretend to know what I am thinking. I am very successful at
what I do and make top dollar for my time. Of course, I don't know
everything, thats why sometimes I post simple questions to the
newsgroups on subjects I know little about. I like hearing the various
ways people do things and you kinda don't get that from the archives.
The newsgroups are for people to help each other. If you don't have that
kind of heart then so be it, but don't flame others for wanting help and
for wanting to offer help. Loosen up a little.
kev
Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
> In article <369B9C3D...@cup.hp.com>, Kevin Lister <k...@cup.hp.com> writes:
>
> > I don't think I have to apologize for anything here. You are becoming
> > just as much a problem as Brent Bates has been. I have had kind helpful
> > responses from others. Please leave me and others who are simply in
> > search of knowledge alone.
>
> Randolph Herber happens to be one of the most skillfull *and* helpful
> posters here. If you were in search of knowledge, that would have been
> well and fine. However, you want others to do your job for you for
> free. When you don't even want to look up something yourself, but
> expect others to spend their time doing that for you, and chew and
> digest the information for you, you're not in any way in search of
> knowledge, but sloth.
>
> > For all of you who offered kind and helpful responses, I thank you. For
> > the rest of you who have nothing better to do but sit on the newsgroups
> > and cry foul for the most ridiculous reasons, get over it. Life is just
> > too short! :^)
>
> If you look a bit closer at these newsgroups, you will find hundreds if
> not thousands of helpful answers given by Randolph, Brent and myself.
> Where's your contribution?
>
> --
> *Art
--
Arthur Hagen
In article <369E6A6F...@cup.hp.com>, Kevin Lister <k...@cup.hp.com> writes:
> I didn't realize I was in the company of such God like beings. Far be it
> from me that I should ever question such lofty intellects. :)
>
> I didn't realize that people were required to have credentials to ask a
> simple question. I will state this once again for those who have read
> but not absorbed: "I made an effort to search the dejanews archives for
> the keyword 'Indycam' and 'graphics' and I did look thru the man pages".
> vidtomem simply wasn't in any of the stuff the search engine found. It
> did not occur to me to search for "video" or "vidtomem".
>
> I am simply a system admin that is looking at playing around with
> graphics.
No, - no slight intended - you are not.
That you have need of knowledge and even *want* of it is more than
recommendable - it's almost unique in today's world with wannabe redhat
users and restricted funding for essential operations.
I hope you don't judge me and other sysadmins by this, but continue
to search for knowledge despite what others may have answered to our
postings on your behalf.
We truly welcome new people who are willing to sacrifice *their* time
in exchange for ours. Keep that up, and help others on comp.sys.sgi.*
who're stuck, and I'm sure you'll become just as much part of the in-
ventory as Walter, Dave, Alexis, Randolph, Scott and others (I've
omitted lots of names here - forgive me).
> Apparently at least two of you are known to harass posters for simple
> goofs. Instead of flaming people why not just say something like:
> "There's a better way to do this, would you mind if I helped?" Honestly,
> the amount of time that you have spent on this simply isn't working.
I've *never* seen that kind of response - neither in email, nor posted.
If you can provide me with but *one* reference, I'd be happy to answer
it. As it is, I have (unfortunately) to treat your posting as malicuos
slander. And if you post but *one* more posting with malicious slander,
believe me, I have both the will and means to put a stop to it.
That you disagree or even get upset with someone on usenet is NOT a
reason to slander them, or post false accusations. I believe DejaNews
has a fair accound of what I have posted in the past, as well as what
YOU have posted previously. Do *you* want people to compare us?
> As far as my abilities go, you simply do not know me and it is unfair
> for you to pretend to know what I am thinking.
You are correct. I do not know you, and know nothing about you either.
Which is why I have not said *anything* about you as a person either,
but instead advocated that people should try looking up things for
themselves instead of depending on doing their job *for* them.
> what I do and make top dollar for my time.
Who f*cking cares (except americans)?
Now one essential piece of advice: Do *not* include the entire posting
to which you reply below your posting. That is a Microsoft abomination
that wastes bandwith and does not in any way clarify what you reply to.
Instead, quote the *relevant* portions of what you reply to above your
own reply, so people can quickly absorb the gist of the conversation, and
not waste unneccessary bandwith.
Best regard, and *welcome* to the SGI community if you *want* to
(I have much more problems with people flaming me on your behalf
than I have with you).
--
*Art
Tor Arntsen
hesse <hes...@oci.unizh.ch> writes:
>Ooooooh my god.....
And then you included a ton of earlier included material.
Welcome to my killfile, together with Kevin Lister
(for the same reason). I'll never have to see your
postings again, which is good.
- Tor