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Prime brochure: PDMS, May 1983

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Mike Causer

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Aug 29, 2011, 2:29:38 PM8/29/11
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I've recently scanned some old product brochures, and one may be of
interest here.

Plant Design Management System, May 1983. Produced shortly after Prime
took over Compeda. Although on US-size paper it seems to be formatted
for A4, and retains British spelling.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54731504@N04/sets/72157627423135129/

Mike

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Sep 19, 2011, 4:45:08 PM9/19/11
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It looks like an extremely advanced version of sim city.

Mike Causer

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Sep 20, 2011, 2:30:40 PM9/20/11
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:45:08 +0000 (UTC)
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

> It looks like an extremely advanced version of sim city.

Adventure / Colossal Cave is the only game I remember on Primes of that
era, and it was running by 1978 or 79. It was used in customer
training courses at the old single-storey training center (Walnut
Street?, Newton?) to keep more the more advanced attendees quiet while
the less experienced ones were taught how to log in, use text editor &
so on.





Mike

Cydrome Leader

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Sep 20, 2011, 6:08:59 PM9/20/11
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Were there any memorable editors on prime? In the unix world, it seems
only emacs and vi are as old as time itself and will probably never go
away.


Bill Gunshannon

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Sep 20, 2011, 6:39:02 PM9/20/11
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In article <j5b2tr$rad$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Memorable?? Guess it depends on how you look at it.

Prime distributed Emacs as part of Primos. University of Salford
had a really nice editor (I think I still have the manual somewhere)
to go along with their F77. And there there was one called EdV but
I don't remember where that came from. Probably the Government or
a University somewhere.

bill

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Cydrome Leader

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Sep 21, 2011, 5:35:18 PM9/21/11
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Bill Gunshannon <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
> In article <j5b2tr$rad$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> writes:
>> Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:45:08 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like an extremely advanced version of sim city.
>>>
>>> Adventure / Colossal Cave is the only game I remember on Primes of that
>>> era, and it was running by 1978 or 79. It was used in customer
>>> training courses at the old single-storey training center (Walnut
>>> Street?, Newton?) to keep more the more advanced attendees quiet while
>>> the less experienced ones were taught how to log in, use text editor &
>>> so on.
>>
>> Were there any memorable editors on prime? In the unix world, it seems
>> only emacs and vi are as old as time itself and will probably never go
>> away.
>
> Memorable?? Guess it depends on how you look at it.
>
> Prime distributed Emacs as part of Primos. University of Salford
> had a really nice editor (I think I still have the manual somewhere)

What was the bloat factor of emacs decades ago?

Mike Causer

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Sep 21, 2011, 5:56:13 PM9/21/11
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:35:18 +0000 (UTC)
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

> > Prime distributed Emacs as part of Primos. University of Salford
> > had a really nice editor (I think I still have the manual somewhere)
>
> What was the bloat factor of emacs decades ago?

"Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" sounds a bit lame nowadays
doesn't it?

I never used the issued version with Primos, but the private copy I had
directly from the Primos developers (circa 82 - early 83) ran fine on
our 450. I didn't like it all that much but very happily adopted vi
when our first Suns with BSD Unix arrived at C.I.S. in late 1983.


Mike

Bill Gunshannon

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Sep 21, 2011, 7:21:16 PM9/21/11
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In article <j5dlam$hkp$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

Real emacs was never like that bloated GNU crap.

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Cydrome Leader

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Sep 22, 2011, 5:41:15 PM9/22/11
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Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:35:18 +0000 (UTC)
> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>
>> > Prime distributed Emacs as part of Primos. University of Salford
>> > had a really nice editor (I think I still have the manual somewhere)
>>
>> What was the bloat factor of emacs decades ago?
>
> "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" sounds a bit lame nowadays
> doesn't it?

Ha! That just cracked everybody up here.

Cydrome Leader

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Sep 22, 2011, 5:42:25 PM9/22/11
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Bill Gunshannon <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
> In article <j5dlam$hkp$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> writes:
>> Bill Gunshannon <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
>>> In article <j5b2tr$rad$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>>> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> writes:
>>>> Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:45:08 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like an extremely advanced version of sim city.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adventure / Colossal Cave is the only game I remember on Primes of that
>>>>> era, and it was running by 1978 or 79. It was used in customer
>>>>> training courses at the old single-storey training center (Walnut
>>>>> Street?, Newton?) to keep more the more advanced attendees quiet while
>>>>> the less experienced ones were taught how to log in, use text editor &
>>>>> so on.
>>>>
>>>> Were there any memorable editors on prime? In the unix world, it seems
>>>> only emacs and vi are as old as time itself and will probably never go
>>>> away.
>>>
>>> Memorable?? Guess it depends on how you look at it.
>>>
>>> Prime distributed Emacs as part of Primos. University of Salford
>>> had a really nice editor (I think I still have the manual somewhere)
>>
>> What was the bloat factor of emacs decades ago?
>
> Real emacs was never like that bloated GNU crap.

the developers here were crying for vim to be installed. It's sad that it
requires like 600 libraries to even start up. Piece of junk.


Mike Causer

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Sep 22, 2011, 7:47:12 PM9/22/11
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:41:15 +0000 (UTC)
Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

> > "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" sounds a bit lame nowadays
> > doesn't it?
>
> Ha! That just cracked everybody up here.

You hadn't heard that one before?

Here's some more, starting from 1985....

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html

Mike

Cydrome Leader

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Sep 23, 2011, 3:14:24 PM9/23/11
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Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:41:15 +0000 (UTC)
> Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>
>> > "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" sounds a bit lame nowadays
>> > doesn't it?
>>
>> Ha! That just cracked everybody up here.
>
> You hadn't heard that one before?

nope. I just go by escape meta alt control shift.

> Here's some more, starting from 1985....
>
> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnuemacs.acro.exp.html

1985 makes me think of the year xwindows is still stuck in. That's the one
thing I will not deal with at all, and even have excuses like hummingbird
doesn't work on my computer, sorry, can't help at all.
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