Vista options for PalmVx, Palm Desktop 4.1.4
AndyHancock
2000. The laptop has taken to being irresponsive to the keyboard at
unpredictable times, for unpredictable durations. These days, a new
laptop will only come with Vista, which Desktop 4.1.4 is not
compatible with:
http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooccase,case=obj(33529)
http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooccase,case=obj(44532)
I do not look forward to having to get a whole new device and
establish new ways of doing something that the PalmVx does very well.
This whole business of having change around one's organizational
practices every few years is the pits. Is the only option to move
onto to a newer PDA?
AndyHancock
AndyHancock
paste in the URL below, the text and hyperlink get mangled.
Basically, the end part of the URLs below that is snipped is
* "t=ooccase,case=obj(33529)" (without the quotes)
* "t=ooccase,case=obj(44532)" (without the quotes)
Sorry for the mis-starts, and the inconvenience of manually copying
the URL tail part.
On Mar 15, 12:01 am, AndyHancock <AndyMHanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> URL's corrected below:
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> On Mar 14, 11:28 pm, AndyHancock <AndyMHanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I own a PalmVx, synchronizing with Palm Desktop 4.1.4 on Windows
> > 2000. The laptop has taken to being irresponsive to the keyboard at
> > unpredictable times, for unpredictable durations. These days, a new
> > laptop will only come with Vista, which Desktop 4.1.4 is not
> > compatible with:
>
> >http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooc...)
>
> >http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooc...)
ne...@picaxe.us
Check the Dell Small Business line - you can probably still get XP on
some of the laptops (for a few extra $$).
John
RCC
writes
>>I do not look forward to having to get a whole new device and
>>establish new ways of doing something that the PalmVx does very well.
>>This whole business of having change around one's organizational
>>practices every few years is the pits. Is the only option to move
>>onto to a newer PDA?
>
I am with you on that - one day I may have to go to Vista or Windows 7,
but would have to throw away established ways of working on 5 XP based
machines, sort out my e-mail software which is unusual and doesn't like
Vista, probably buy new scanner and printer, and GOK what else. Its a
sort of microsoft tax
I have just bought a Toshiba laptop (here in the UK) with an XP Pro
'downgrade' supplied - worked a treat but you must image the pre loaded
vista business to dvd first if you ever want to go back to Vista but you
just follow the instructions (as long as you have 2 or 3 blank DVD Rs to
hand. Then you load XP from the supplied disc and just get on with it.
Took a bit over an hour from opening the box to being up and running
with XP - then the inevitable Windows updates took a while.
If you look for laptops for small business on the Toshiba website it may
help - not sure about other countries.
Having said that, the palm "desktop by access" seems to be backward
compatible with palm OS. I run 6 point something with my Centro and it
talks happily enough to my wife's Palm 111E even though the palm website
suggests it won't. (you need to tick a box to tell hotsync to use the
serial connection for the ancient cradle to work). When I switch to her
username it always starts up half screen for some reason, but that is a
minor matter. It sometimes reports sync errors but that's because it
can't find all the later applications, it does the ones that matter just
fine.
A very practical point - what kind of cradle does the Vx have? (I
jumped from various palm 111's to a Zire which was USB so don't know the
V series at all. Hardly any laptops have a serial port these days so it
might be a simple 'mechanical' problem that stops you in your tracks.
(We sync palms to the desktop in our home network so I can easily plug
in a serial cradle and a USB one.) I guess you could buy an infra red
dongle for a USB port but I have never done it that way. Can you sync
by IR I wonder?
Good luck.
--
Richard C
AndyHancock
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT), AndyHancock
>
>
>
> <AndyMHanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I own a PalmVx, synchronizing with Palm Desktop 4.1.4 on Windows
> >2000. The laptop has taken to being irresponsive to the keyboard at
> >unpredictable times, for unpredictable durations. These days, a new
> >laptop will only come with Vista, which Desktop 4.1.4 is not
> >compatible with:
>
>
> >http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooc...)
>
> >I do not look forward to having to get a whole new device and
> >establish new ways of doing something that the PalmVx does very well.
> >This whole business of having change around one's organizational
> >practices every few years is the pits. Is the only option to move
> >onto to a newer PDA?
>
> Check the Dell Small Business line - you can probably still get XP on
> some of the laptops (for a few extra $$).
Thanks, John. That does narrow the choice of laptops down
significantly, but it is an option.
AndyHancock
> In message <fuupr4d17fjuunb2mnte0kofhvtr1ju...@4ax.com>, n...@picaxe.us
> writes
>
> >>I do not look forward to having to get a whole new device and
> >>establish new ways of doing something that the PalmVx does very well.
> >>This whole business of having change around one's organizational
> >>practices every few years is the pits. Is the only option to move
> >>onto to a newer PDA?
>
> I am with you on that - one day I may have to go to Vista or Windows 7,
> but would have to throw away established ways of working on 5 XP based
> machines, sort out my e-mail software which is unusual and doesn't like
> Vista, probably buy new scanner and printer, and GOK what else. Its a
> sort of microsoft tax
Kind of...it's also a consequence that providers of Palm Desktop
software not ensuring backward compatibility with older OS's.
> I have just bought a Toshiba laptop (here in the UK) with an XP Pro
> 'downgrade' supplied - worked a treat but you must image the pre loaded
> vista business to dvd first if you ever want to go back to Vista but you
> just follow the instructions (as long as you have 2 or 3 blank DVD Rs to
> hand. Then you load XP from the supplied disc and just get on with it.
> Took a bit over an hour from opening the box to being up and running
> with XP - then the inevitable Windows updates took a while.
>
> If you look for laptops for small business on the Toshiba website it may
> help - not sure about other countries.
I've read around about downgrading, and it seems rather involved
(technically, and getting XP licensing). Your description entails
getting and learning imaging software...probably not a bad investment
at any rate.
> Having said that, the palm "desktop by access" seems to be backward
> compatible with palm OS. I run 6 point something with my Centro and it
> talks happily enough to my wife's Palm 111E even though the palm website
> suggests it won't. (you need to tick a box to tell hotsync to use the
> serial connection for the ancient cradle to work). When I switch to her
> username it always starts up half screen for some reason, but that is a
> minor matter. It sometimes reports sync errors but that's because it
> can't find all the later applications, it does the ones that matter just
> fine.
If possible, I'd be seeking a vendor-sanctioned solution as a
practical alternative to Vista, even though I know that grassroots
workarounds often work under many circumstances.
> A very practical point - what kind of cradle does the Vx have? (I
> jumped from various palm 111's to a Zire which was USB so don't know the
> V series at all. Hardly any laptops have a serial port these days so it
> might be a simple 'mechanical' problem that stops you in your tracks.
> (We sync palms to the desktop in our home network so I can easily plug
> in a serial cradle and a USB one.) I guess you could buy an infra red
> dongle for a USB port but I have never done it that way. Can you sync
> by IR I wonder?
No IR port is evident on the laptop, and the Dell website no longer
has the system specs document for my laptop (Inspiron 8000). I'm
pretty sure it isn't available, however.
I guess there's no getting around it...any workaround to extend the
useful life of current devices (and practice) will not necessarily be
elegant. Thank you for your info and advice.
Keith Nuttle
capabilities. It is available at Fry's and probably many large
electronics store. Cost is less that $20. I got mine at significantly
less.
I use mine to sync my Palm IIIse to my computers none of which have
serial ports that the IIIse requires.
Here are several
http://www.buyextras.com/irdaadapters.html?gclid=CMrAhoH9qZkCFQ4eDQodXlropg
AndyHancock
>
>
>
> <AndyMHanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I own a PalmVx, synchronizing with Palm Desktop 4.1.4 on Windows
> >2000. The laptop has taken to being irresponsive to the keyboard at
> >unpredictable times, for unpredictable durations. These days, a new
> >laptop will only come with Vista, which Desktop 4.1.4 is not
> >compatible with:
>
>
> >http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,kb=PalmSupportKB,t=ooc...)
>
> >I do not look forward to having to get a whole new device and
> >establish new ways of doing something that the PalmVx does very well.
> >This whole business of having change around one's organizational
> >practices every few years is the pits. Is the only option to move
> >onto to a newer PDA?
>
> Check the Dell Small Business line - you can probably still get XP on
> some of the laptops (for a few extra $$).
Thanks, John. I'll have to make the call based on how much it
restricts my options on models for the replacement laptop.
AndyHancock
I got my PalmVx 2nd hand. From online specs, it doesn't seem to have
IR capability (I could be wrong). I assume that the adapters you
refer to connect to the PC via USB, and to the Palm Vx via IR. Is
this right? If so, it might not work for Palm Vx, due to lack of IR.
RCC
<29346bc5-bc8b-415d...@f37g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
AndyHancock <AndyMH...@gmail.com> writes
>On Mar 16, 4:31 pm, RCC <richard@mapson_cowling1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>
>> I have just bought a Toshiba laptop (here in the UK) with an XP Pro
>> 'downgrade' supplied - worked a treat but you must image the pre loaded
>> vista business to dvd first if you ever want to go back to Vista but you
>> just follow the instructions (as long as you have 2 or 3 blank DVD Rs to
>> hand. Then you load XP from the supplied disc and just get on with it.
>>
>
>(technically, and getting XP licensing). Your description entails
>getting and learning imaging software...probably not a bad investment
>at any rate.
>
>>
You don't need image software. Many pc's now come without discs for the
OS but have an image of the original installation on the hard disc as
standard (so you can at least in theory restore from there). Installing
XP would overwrite that image, so you copy it to DVD Rs to preserve it
(its probably sensible to do that anyway). It has that as a menu option
on first start up. Having done that, XP pro installation was a breeze
because it does come on a CD ROM and the package has the registration
code on it. I agree its a bit long winded but I was surprised how well
it all worked.
The other advantage is all the trialware and pre installed internet
shortcuts to places you would never use all get overwritten so you do
have a true 'clean install'. I know that Dells come with all sorts of
pre installed unasked for cr**ware, my last Toshiba had none but the
most recent one (even though a "business laptop" was stuffed with
shortcuts, free trial McAfee and a garish Toshiba desktop so they have
fallen in with the great unwanted as well.
This is drifting off the original Palm question though, but is I hope
still relevant to your problem.
--
Richard C
AndyHancock
> In message
> <29346bc5-bc8b-415d-9dee-1f7aa711d...@f37g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> AndyHancock <AndyMHanc...@gmail.com> writes
Indeed it is. It means it is still an option to have XP and Palm
Desktop 4.1.4 for my current PalmVx. Thank you.