5 Palm Pre Questions
Ant
1. Will old Treo 680 accessories (GPS device, Bluetooth, etc.) work with
the new Palm Pre?
2. Speaking of Bluetooth, will it work with vehicles that Bluetooth
option like in Mercedes SUVs?
3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
4. Can datas from an old Palm Treo 680 be easily transferred to a new
Palm Pre easily? If so, then how if Treo is on an old Dell PC with
Windows 2000 SP4? Does Pre's Windows softwares still have Windows 2000
SP4 support? Or can it be done wirelessly/cablely directly?
5. Does Palm Pre and its OS support asian support like Chinese inputs
and outputs? I know old one did, but needed a third party (e.g., CJKOS).
Apple iPhone had it in the latester software version.
Thank you in advance. :)
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Jon Bendtsen
> Five questions from a client who is interested in buying a Palm Pre soon:
>
> 1. Will old Treo 680 accessories (GPS device, Bluetooth, etc.) work with
> the new Palm Pre?
bluetooth devices will probably get a connection, but maybe the
software needed to use the devices is not there yet, and maybe the
software will never come.
I do not think that non bluetooth/USB devices will ever work.
> 2. Speaking of Bluetooth, will it work with vehicles that Bluetooth
> option like in Mercedes SUVs?
most likely
> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
what do you mean with 100% compatible.
JonB
Benjamin
> Ant wrote:
>> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>
> what do you mean with 100% compatible.
Pre will behave as a thumb drive or an iPod
Ant
>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>
> what do you mean with 100% compatible.
Will it be able to HotSync and stuff?
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Jon Bendtsen
>>> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
>>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>>
>> what do you mean with 100% compatible.
>
> Will it be able to HotSync and stuff?
Well, the idea of the Pre is that it syncs with the cloud. So if you
just get your mac to sync to the cloud.
Benjamin
>>> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
>>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>>
>> what do you mean with 100% compatible.
>
> Will it be able to HotSync and stuff?
No, you plug it in like a thumb drive and it should get your contacts
from the phone. Thats how I understand it to work. Of course I haven't
got the SDK yet.
Ant
Cloud? Are you saying remotely onto Palm's server or something? If so,
then what about locally? I don't like that idea of putting on someone's
server.
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Ant
Interesting. Nothing like the old Palm devices.
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Zombie Elvis
>Five questions from a client who is interested in buying a Palm Pre soon:
>
>1. Will old Treo 680 accessories (GPS device, Bluetooth, etc.) work with
>the new Palm Pre?
The Pre has a micro-USB connector so the only accessories that are
likely to work with it are the ones made for the Treo 800w or the Treo
Pro. But Bluetooth devices that worked with the Treo 680 should work
even better with the Pre.
>
>2. Speaking of Bluetooth, will it work with vehicles that Bluetooth
>option like in Mercedes SUVs?
Probably, the Pre is using the latest version of Bluetooth.
>
>3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
>and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
I'm not sure but I do know that it can sync non-DRM music and video
from iTunes.
>
>4. Can datas from an old Palm Treo 680 be easily transferred to a new
>Palm Pre easily? If so, then how if Treo is on an old Dell PC with
>Windows 2000 SP4? Does Pre's Windows softwares still have Windows 2000
>SP4 support? Or can it be done wirelessly/cablely directly?
The Pre doesn't sync directly to your PC. It syncs to the "cloud." In
other words, the calendar syncs to Google Calendar, the contacts can
sync to Google Contacts, Facebook, and other social networks.
Companionlink does promise to put out third-party software for syncing
the Pre to the usual PC applications (Outlook, Exchange, Palm Desktop)
but AFAIK it is not available yet. It should have a way to transfer
old contacts from your Treo 680 but it will be a one way transfer.
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Ant
>> Five questions from a client who is interested in buying a Palm Pre soon:
>>
>> 1. Will old Treo 680 accessories (GPS device, Bluetooth, etc.) work with
>> the new Palm Pre?
>
> The Pre has a micro-USB connector so the only accessories that are
> likely to work with it are the ones made for the Treo 800w or the Treo
> Pro. But Bluetooth devices that worked with the Treo 680 should work
> even better with the Pre.
Ah. OK. I guess he will have to buy new stuff again.
>> 2. Speaking of Bluetooth, will it work with vehicles that Bluetooth
>> option like in Mercedes SUVs?
>
> Probably, the Pre is using the latest version of Bluetooth.
>> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>
> I'm not sure but I do know that it can sync non-DRM music and video
> from iTunes.
Nice since he does use an iPhone Touch.
>> 4. Can datas from an old Palm Treo 680 be easily transferred to a new
>> Palm Pre easily? If so, then how if Treo is on an old Dell PC with
>> Windows 2000 SP4? Does Pre's Windows softwares still have Windows 2000
>> SP4 support? Or can it be done wirelessly/cablely directly?
>
> The Pre doesn't sync directly to your PC. It syncs to the "cloud." In
> other words, the calendar syncs to Google Calendar, the contacts can
> sync to Google Contacts, Facebook, and other social networks.
And what if my client doesn't use those online services (he's not into
things) or doesn't want to use them (e.g., want to keep personal datas
privately on his local machines)? Can it still be done locally?
> Companionlink does promise to put out third-party software for syncing
> the Pre to the usual PC applications (Outlook, Exchange, Palm Desktop)
> but AFAIK it is not available yet. It should have a way to transfer
> old contacts from your Treo 680 but it will be a one way transfer.
OK. When will these third-party softwares be released? Yeah, it's tricky
to get from Treo 680 to Pre.
Thanks for the reply. :)
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Jon Bendtsen
> On 6/6/2009 2:44 PM PT, Jon Bendtsen typed:
>
>> Ant wrote:
>>>>> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook
>>>>> Pros
>>>>> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>>>> what do you mean with 100% compatible.
>>> Will it be able to HotSync and stuff?
>>
>> Well, the idea of the Pre is that it syncs with the cloud. So if you
>> just get your mac to sync to the cloud.
>
> Cloud? Are you saying remotely onto Palm's server or something? If so,
> then what about locally? I don't like that idea of putting on someone's
> server.
not (just) palms server. I remember that Palm Pre supports exchange
and google. But yeah, you put the data remotely.
http://www.precentral.net/how-email-calendar-and-contact-sync-thunderbird-and-google
It does seem like MarkSpace will make a missing sync application.
http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
"Proxmity Sync:
Sync without thinking! Contacts and calendars sync automatically
over WiFi when your Pre is near your Mac."
That seems SWEEEEEEEEEEET :-D
Jon Bendtsen
> On 6/6/2009 10:02 PM PT, Zombie Elvis typed:
[cuuuuut]
>>> 4. Can datas from an old Palm Treo 680 be easily transferred to a new
>>> Palm Pre easily? If so, then how if Treo is on an old Dell PC with
>>> Windows 2000 SP4? Does Pre's Windows softwares still have Windows
>>> 2000 SP4 support? Or can it be done wirelessly/cablely directly?
>>
>> The Pre doesn't sync directly to your PC. It syncs to the "cloud." In
>> other words, the calendar syncs to Google Calendar, the contacts can
>> sync to Google Contacts, Facebook, and other social networks.
>
> And what if my client doesn't use those online services (he's not into
> things) or doesn't want to use them (e.g., want to keep personal datas
> privately on his local machines)? Can it still be done locally?
>
>
>> Companionlink does promise to put out third-party software for syncing
>> the Pre to the usual PC applications (Outlook, Exchange, Palm Desktop)
>> but AFAIK it is not available yet. It should have a way to transfer
>> old contacts from your Treo 680 but it will be a one way transfer.
>
> OK. When will these third-party softwares be released? Yeah, it's tricky
> to get from Treo 680 to Pre.
ask markspace
http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
but generally, the idea is to use the cloud, it is the future.
Ant
> It does seem like MarkSpace will make a missing sync application.
> http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
>
> "Proxmity Sync:
>
> Sync without thinking! Contacts and calendars sync automatically
> over WiFi when your Pre is near your Mac."
>
>
> That seems SWEEEEEEEEEEET :-D
Rad! I wonder how long we will have to wait though? Months? Years?
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Ant
>>> Companionlink does promise to put out third-party software for syncing
>>> the Pre to the usual PC applications (Outlook, Exchange, Palm Desktop)
>>> but AFAIK it is not available yet. It should have a way to transfer
>>> old contacts from your Treo 680 but it will be a one way transfer.
>> OK. When will these third-party softwares be released? Yeah, it's tricky
>> to get from Treo 680 to Pre.
>
> ask markspace
> http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
> but generally, the idea is to use the cloud, it is the future.
I assume this transferring datas from a Treo 680 to a Pre can be done
via a cable or wireless without a computer? I assume all old Treo
programs won't work on Pre due to its new OS.
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Jon Bendtsen
> On 6/7/2009 11:08 AM PT, Jon Bendtsen typed:
>
>>>> Companionlink does promise to put out third-party software for syncing
>>>> the Pre to the usual PC applications (Outlook, Exchange, Palm Desktop)
>>>> but AFAIK it is not available yet. It should have a way to transfer
>>>> old contacts from your Treo 680 but it will be a one way transfer.
>
>>> OK. When will these third-party softwares be released? Yeah, it's tricky
>>> to get from Treo 680 to Pre.
>>
>> ask markspace
>> http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
>> but generally, the idea is to use the cloud, it is the future.
>
> I assume this transferring datas from a Treo 680 to a Pre can be done
> via a cable or wireless without a computer? I assume all old Treo
> programs won't work on Pre due to its new OS.
Now that i think more about it, there is a palm os classic emulator.
http://www.precentral.net/how-copy-your-palmos-treo-centro-apps-classic-webos
it can probably run most if not all old palm os applications.
you probably assume wrong about this without a computer. I think you
have to either sync your treo to the cloud (which is one or more
server computers), or through a desktop computer to the cloud.
it might be possible using bluetooth, but i dunno.
JonB
Jon Bendtsen
> On 6/7/2009 11:06 AM PT, Jon Bendtsen typed:
>
>> It does seem like MarkSpace will make a missing sync application.
>> http://www.precentral.net/missing-sync-come-palm-pre
>>
>> "Proxmity Sync:
>>
>> Sync without thinking! Contacts and calendars sync automatically
>> over WiFi when your Pre is near your Mac."
>>
>>
>> That seems SWEEEEEEEEEEET :-D
>
> Rad! I wonder how long we will have to wait though? Months? Years?
probably months, and if you are lucky weeks. I doubt years.
Jon Bendtsen
and here is someone saying they will do it for windows.
http://www.precentral.net/chapura-pocketmirror-bring-outlook-sync-pre
dpyd...@hotmail.com
> > other words, the calendar syncs to Google Calendar, the contacts can
> > sync to Google Contacts, Facebook, and other social networks.
>
> And what if my client doesn't use those online services (he's not into
> things) or doesn't want to use them (e.g., want to keep personal datas
> privately on his local machines)? Can it still be done locally?
Hmmm I don't like the sound of that very much either - my existing
Palm is full of all sorts of personal data which I don't want to be
stored on remotes servers. Is that really the way things are going,
with no alternative? I'll be going back to pen and paper.
Anita Palley (Dots)
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Jon Bendtsen
Remote servers outside your control, in remove countries outside
your democratic control are already storing all sorts of personal
data about you ;-) why worry about a few more data?
JonB
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Because what's on my Palm is far more private than anything else - in
fact I think everything else is intended to be seen by at least one
other person, and anything that I really don't want to be seen by
anyone beyond it's intended recipient doesn't go via email. To be
honest I wouldn't regard myself as some sort of libertarian privacy
nut, but I'm already alarmed by the cavalier attitude that most people
have about this, as illustrated by your reply!
But can anyone confirm that this is true, and there that there won't
be any way to back-up and synchronise what's on the handheld without
disclosing it to someone else?
Ant
> Because what's on my Palm is far more private than anything else - in
> fact I think everything else is intended to be seen by at least one
> other person, and anything that I really don't want to be seen by
> anyone beyond it's intended recipient doesn't go via email. To be
> honest I wouldn't regard myself as some sort of libertarian privacy
> nut, but I'm already alarmed by the cavalier attitude that most people
> have about this, as illustrated by your reply!
>
> But can anyone confirm that this is true, and there that there won't
> be any way to back-up and synchronise what's on the handheld without
> disclosing it to someone else?
Ditto. I was told there are commercial third party software to sync with
PCs. See the earlier replies in this newsgroup thread. :)
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General Schvantzkoph
> Five questions from a client who is interested in buying a Palm Pre
> soon:
>
> 1. Will old Treo 680 accessories (GPS device, Bluetooth, etc.) work with
> the new Palm Pre?
>
> 2. Speaking of Bluetooth, will it work with vehicles that Bluetooth
> option like in Mercedes SUVs?
>
> 3. Do I assume Palm Pre will be 100% compatible with Apple MacBook Pros
> and Mac OS X 10.5.x?
>
> 4. Can datas from an old Palm Treo 680 be easily transferred to a new
> Palm Pre easily? If so, then how if Treo is on an old Dell PC with
> Windows 2000 SP4? Does Pre's Windows softwares still have Windows 2000
> SP4 support? Or can it be done wirelessly/cablely directly?
>
> 5. Does Palm Pre and its OS support asian support like Chinese inputs
> and outputs? I know old one did, but needed a third party (e.g., CJKOS).
> Apple iPhone had it in the latester software version.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
I just got a Pre, I've been waiting for them to fix the bluetooth stack
which happened with the WebOS 1.2 release last week. Earlier versions of
WebOS didn't work with the Bluetooth in my car (2006 Chrysler 300C), as
of 1.2 it works fine.
I upgraded from a Treo 700p, the Sprint store transferred the contents of
the Treo to the Pre. The Pre syncs with a number of web services. I'm
using Gmail as the intermediary between my Linux address book and
calender (in Evolution) and the Pre. If your PIM software can sync with
GMail then you have a solution. The Pre can also sync with MS Exchange
and a number of other services. I don't use Windoze or Macs so I can't
tell you if there are additional mechanisms available, I would assume
that there are.
The Pre has great WiFI support, it linked up with my network easily. If
you root the device then your can ssh (secure shell) into and out of it
over the network (both Sprint EVDO and WiFI). It also supports SAMBA
which would allow it to export directories onto a Windows network via
WiFi, I haven't tried that yet because the Wiki says that there are still
some bugs. However I have been sshing into and out of it over a network,
that works great.
There is also an app that allows you to use the Pre as a WiFi router or
as a USB modem. This is not sanctioned by Sprint, but if you don't overdo
it they will never know.