Wot no Pre reviews?
David Cantrell
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Jon Bendtsen
> So no-one went out and got a Pre? No-one wrote a review here?
it is only out in US.
Toby Newman
> So no-one went out and got a Pre? No-one wrote a review here?
As I understand it, to use a Pre you need to pay a regular contract.
The thing I like about my TX is that I paid once when I got it and
never since.
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Jon Bendtsen
> On 2009-06-16, David Cantrell <da...@cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
>> So no-one went out and got a Pre? No-one wrote a review here?
>
> As I understand it, to use a Pre you need to pay a regular contract.
> The thing I like about my TX is that I paid once when I got it and
> never since.
I am sure you can use a Pre without a regular contract. It will just
be more usefull with a phone contract.
JonB
Zombie Elvis
<da...@cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
>So no-one went out and got a Pre? No-one wrote a review here?
I got it. It's pretty nice but I haven't written a review yet. I've
blogged about it a bit. The long story short is that it is a very fast
and elegant phone with very few third party apps and some version 1.0
bugs. The "cards" metaphor for multi-tasking is absolutely brilliant,
allowing you to juggle numerous open windows. But there appears to be
a memory leak somewhere in that you sometimes run into a message
asking you to start closing cards even if you only have two or three
cards open. Once you close all of your cards and you will be fine
however. So far I've received that message twice in one week, not too
bad considering how much I've been using the Pre.
The Classic emulator helps me run most of my older PalmOS applications
but sometimes crashes. The PIM apps are very pretty and better than
what is available on an Android phone like the T-Mobile G1 but also
very simple compared to the PalmOS PIMs. They also have some weird
omissions -- while Calendar, Contacts, and Email sync nicely with
Google, Memos and Tasks don't sync to anything. While it's not
perfect, the Pre's web browser is probably best and definitely the
fastest mobile phone browser I've ever seen bar none. Google Maps is
good but not as good as on Android.
The phone itself is tiny and feels great in my hands but the keyboard
is a little cramped -- but it's better than the virtual iPhone
keyboard and at least equal to the bigger G1 keyboard (this is my
subjective opinion, YMMV). The screen is beautiful but smaller than
the G1 and iPhone screens. Sprint has a very fast data network but has
more trouble finding a signal indoors than my G1.
I'll probably be blogging some more thoughts on the Pre soon,
including a review of Classic. If there is some interest I might post
a full review of the Pre in the newsgroup as well.
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Zombie Elvis
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Not to mention cheaper....
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Harold Fuchs
One question: does the Pre sync to anything **on the desktop** ? Like an old
Palm syncs to palm Desktop? Will the Classic emulator let you run the
Classic PIM stuff and then let you sync those to the desktop?
I hate the idea of syncing to "the cloud" (Google or whatever).
Harold Fuchs
London, England
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Jon Bendtsen
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:39:11 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <no...@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>> On 2009-06-16, David Cantrell <da...@cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> So no-one went out and got a Pre? No-one wrote a review here?
>>> As I understand it, to use a Pre you need to pay a regular contract.
>>> The thing I like about my TX is that I paid once when I got it and
>>> never since.
>> I am sure you can use a Pre without a regular contract. It will just
>> be more usefull with a phone contract.
>>
> Not to mention cheaper....
that is not true. It may be cheaper to buy upfront, but in the long
run the contract will end up costing more money.
Jon Bendtsen
> Thanks for this.
>
> One question: does the Pre sync to anything **on the desktop** ? Like an old
> Palm syncs to palm Desktop? Will the Classic emulator let you run the
> Classic PIM stuff and then let you sync those to the desktop?
If you followed just a little bit, then you would know that yes,
there are desktop sync programs, both for mac and for windows.
Though they are both 3. party programs.
Harold Fuchs
The Chapura software ("Echo") doesn't exist yet; their web site says "coming
soon" - no date.
The CompanionLink software syncs via Google which explicitly breaks the rule
in my question - no sync with the cloud.
Palm has made no comment yet (according to cnet as of Jan 14)
That seems to be about it. Apart from MissingSync for the Mac,
PalmInfoCenter has nothing else:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6911/palm-pre-sync-solutions-emerge/
So, where are the desktop sync programs, please?
Harold Fuchs
London, England
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Jon Bendtsen
> If you followed just a little bit;
> The Chapura software ("Echo") doesn't exist yet; their web site says "coming
> soon" - no date.
> The CompanionLink software syncs via Google which explicitly breaks the rule
> in my question - no sync with the cloud.
> Palm has made no comment yet (according to cnet as of Jan 14)
> That seems to be about it. Apart from MissingSync for the Mac,
> PalmInfoCenter has nothing else:
> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6911/palm-pre-sync-solutions-emerge/
>
> So, where are the desktop sync programs, please?
There is the Missing Sync for Pre. Sure it is a mac program, but mac
is a desktop too.
And besides this, you live in UK, and there isnt even a GSM Pre out
yet, what do you need a desktop sync solution for now?
And as for no syncing to the cloud. Are you aware that Palm Pre
takes a backup to a Palm website where you can remotely wipe your
stolen Palm Pre, and restore on your replacement?
It is beginning to look like the Palm Pre are not for you.
JonB
Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>Thanks for this.
>
>One question: does the Pre sync to anything **on the desktop** ? Like an old
>Palm syncs to palm Desktop? Will the Classic emulator let you run the
>Classic PIM stuff and then let you sync those to the desktop?
Chapura, the same people who did some older Palm sync solutions, are
working on a Hotsync from Palm Desktop to the Pre but it will require
Google as an intermediary. They do have a version of PocketMirror for
the Pre which syncs to Microsoft Outlook. Classic doesn't support
Hotsync right now (it does however recognize your Hotsync ID for using
registered software) but MotionApps is talking about including it in a
future version.
>
>I hate the idea of syncing to "the cloud" (Google or whatever).
I'm starting to warm to the idea. I'd like to see a level of
encryption built into all cloud based solutions but hey, daily
automatic backups that I don't have to think about are pretty nice.
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Harold Fuchs
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:38:10 +0100, "Harold Fuchs" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for this.
>>
>>One question: does the Pre sync to anything **on the desktop** ? Like an
>>old
>>Palm syncs to palm Desktop? Will the Classic emulator let you run the
>>Classic PIM stuff and then let you sync those to the desktop?
>
> Chapura, the same people who did some older Palm sync solutions, are
> working on a Hotsync from Palm Desktop to the Pre but it will require
> Google as an intermediary. They do have a version of PocketMirror for
> the Pre which syncs to Microsoft Outlook. Classic doesn't support
> Hotsync right now (it does however recognize your Hotsync ID for using
> registered software) but MotionApps is talking about including it in a
> future version.
>>
>>I hate the idea of syncing to "the cloud" (Google or whatever).
>
> I'm starting to warm to the idea. I'd like to see a level of
> encryption built into all cloud based solutions but hey, daily
> automatic backups that I don't have to think about are pretty nice.
The main reason I don't like it is what I expose my friends& colleagues to:
I put their names and addresses, their job titles and work addresses, the
names and birthdays of their kids and, if I sync my calendar, their
movements (when they meet me) on a server over which I have no control;
which is in an unknown country with unknown controls (like the UK with
RIPA); and that any blackhat wandering by can harvest. Just think what that
information could be used for in the wrong hands. Do I have their
permission? Do they have my permission to put my details "in the public
domain"?
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Harold Fuchs
> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>> If you followed just a little bit;
>> The Chapura software ("Echo") doesn't exist yet; their web site says
>> "coming
>> soon" - no date.
>> The CompanionLink software syncs via Google which explicitly breaks the
>> rule
>> in my question - no sync with the cloud.
>> Palm has made no comment yet (according to cnet as of Jan 14)
>> That seems to be about it. Apart from MissingSync for the Mac,
>> PalmInfoCenter has nothing else:
>> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6911/palm-pre-sync-solutions-emerge/
>>
>> So, where are the desktop sync programs, please?
>
> There is the Missing Sync for Pre. Sure it is a mac program, but mac
> is a desktop too.
Perhaps I'll buy a Mac. On the other hand ...
>
> And besides this, you live in UK, and there isnt even a GSM Pre out
> yet, what do you need a desktop sync solution for now?
I'm not in a hurry.
> And as for no syncing to the cloud. Are you aware that Palm Pre
> takes a backup to a Palm website where you can remotely wipe your
> stolen Palm Pre, and restore on your replacement?
No, I didn't know that. Please, where did you discover this? Can it not be
turned off?
> It is beginning to look like the Palm Pre are not for you.
I think you might be right.
> JonB
Harold
Jon Bendtsen
> "Jon Bendtsen" <no...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:h1d513$2faq$1...@munin.diku.dk...
>> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>>> If you followed just a little bit;
>>> The Chapura software ("Echo") doesn't exist yet; their web site says
>>> "coming
>>> soon" - no date.
>>> The CompanionLink software syncs via Google which explicitly breaks the
>>> rule
>>> in my question - no sync with the cloud.
>>> Palm has made no comment yet (according to cnet as of Jan 14)
>>> That seems to be about it. Apart from MissingSync for the Mac,
>>> PalmInfoCenter has nothing else:
>>> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6911/palm-pre-sync-solutions-emerge/
>>>
>>> So, where are the desktop sync programs, please?
>> There is the Missing Sync for Pre. Sure it is a mac program, but mac
>> is a desktop too.
>
> Perhaps I'll buy a Mac. On the other hand ...
You're not alone. 50% in US considers
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/12/technology/pc_sales/index.htm
"According to a survey of more than 1,000 IT professionals
nationwide conducted in March by Dimension Research, 50% said they
were considering leaving Windows altogether rather than switch to
Windows 7. Apple's (AAPL, Fortune 500) Mac OS X was the system they
are most likely to switch to."
>> And besides this, you live in UK, and there isnt even a GSM Pre out
>> yet, what do you need a desktop sync solution for now?
>
> I'm not in a hurry.
okay
>> And as for no syncing to the cloud. Are you aware that Palm Pre
>> takes a backup to a Palm website where you can remotely wipe your
>> stolen Palm Pre, and restore on your replacement?
>
> No, I didn't know that. Please, where did you discover this? Can it not be
> turned off?
i dont know if it can be turned off. I suppose you have to configure
who you are and such, so it can distinguish between your palm pre
and your wifes palm pre.
I read it on precentral.net
JonB
Jon Bendtsen
> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>> "Jon Bendtsen" <no...@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:h1d513$2faq$1...@munin.diku.dk...
>>> Harold Fuchs wrote:
[cuuuuut]
>>> And as for no syncing to the cloud. Are you aware that Palm Pre
>>> takes a backup to a Palm website where you can remotely wipe your
>>> stolen Palm Pre, and restore on your replacement?
>> No, I didn't know that. Please, where did you discover this? Can it not be
>> turned off?
>
> i dont know if it can be turned off. I suppose you have to configure
> who you are and such, so it can distinguish between your palm pre
> and your wifes palm pre.
>
> I read it on precentral.net
here is just one of those i read
http://www.precentral.net/good-and-not-so-good-palm-backup
"As you may recall, when you activate a Pre you have to create a
Palm Profile for backups and remote wipe management, among other
services. Backup is advertised as being able the remotely restore
your applications and settings. But that’s not entirely the case. It
will restore your Synergy settings (and subsequently sync everything
back down from Google and Facebook’s servers) and your applications,
but your application settings? You can kiss those goodbye."
So it may or may not store your private information in the cloud.
ASAAR
> The main reason I don't like it is what I expose my friends& colleagues to:
> I put their names and addresses, their job titles and work addresses, the
> names and birthdays of their kids and, if I sync my calendar, their
> movements (when they meet me) on a server over which I have no control;
> which is in an unknown country with unknown controls (like the UK with
> RIPA); and that any blackhat wandering by can harvest. Just think what that
> information could be used for in the wrong hands. Do I have their
> permission? Do they have my permission to put my details "in the public
> domain"?
A Pre purchaser also has to assume that Palm will remain viable
for more than several years, or the cloud will dissipate and with
it, the usefulness of the Pre. But even if Palm goes out of
business, there should be companies that might buy them out to be
able to own their assets.
Even if it's encrypted to prevent others from being able to use
it, does Palm have the ability to access data stored within their
cloud? I'd like to know the answer to that before I'd consider
getting one, as well as being able to verify that answer. Credit
card information has been obtained not only by typical criminals,
but also by untrustworthy credit card company employees. That large
amount of user data is a tempting target. I can protect what's
stored on my TX, but not what will be sent to the cloud.
Daniel James
> "According to a survey of more than 1,000 IT professionals
> nationwide conducted in March by Dimension Research, 50% said they
> were considering leaving Windows altogether rather than switch to
> Windows 7.
Interesting ... but by all accounts Win7 sounds slightly less awful
than Vista. If they didn't go Apple to avoid Vista why should they do
so to avoid Win7?
Incidentally, I understand Win7 betas report their version as NT6.1 (go
figure).
Cheers,
Daniel
Jon Bendtsen
> In article news:<h1fqvv$2lte$1...@munin.diku.dk>, Jon Bendtsen wrote:
>> "According to a survey of more than 1,000 IT professionals
>> nationwide conducted in March by Dimension Research, 50% said they
>> were considering leaving Windows altogether rather than switch to
>> Windows 7.
>
> Interesting ... but by all accounts Win7 sounds slightly less awful
> than Vista. If they didn't go Apple to avoid Vista why should they do
> so to avoid Win7?
Because they were let down twice?
David Cantrell
> "Jon Bendtsen" <no...@example.com> wrote:
> > There is the Missing Sync for Pre. Sure it is a mac program, but mac
> > is a desktop too.
> Perhaps I'll buy a Mac. On the other hand ...
It is "coming soon" for Windows, according to their website. Even the
Mac version is a "beta" release.
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David Cantrell
> A Pre purchaser also has to assume that Palm will remain viable
> for more than several years, or the cloud will dissipate and with
> it, the usefulness of the Pre. But even if Palm goes out of
> business, there should be companies that might buy them out to be
> able to own their assets.
... and charge you a humungous amount of money to get at *your* data.
THAT (and also things like "what if google loses interest in calendars
and sells the business") is why I don't trust the cloud. It's just
another way of committing yourself to proprietary lock-in.
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Purely for purposes of prevention, of course.
Jon Bendtsen
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 09:12:30AM -0400, ASAAR wrote:
>
>> A Pre purchaser also has to assume that Palm will remain viable
>> for more than several years, or the cloud will dissipate and with
>> it, the usefulness of the Pre. But even if Palm goes out of
>> business, there should be companies that might buy them out to be
>> able to own their assets.
>
> ... and charge you a humungous amount of money to get at *your* data.
>
> THAT (and also things like "what if google loses interest in calendars
> and sells the business") is why I don't trust the cloud. It's just
> another way of committing yourself to proprietary lock-in.
aaah, come on. The cloud is not a single entity. There are many
different companies offering cloud services. So what if one entity
closes their services, use another.
Besides, i would expect the Palm Pre to support Exchange sync, and i
dont expect microsoft to drop exchange any time soon. Neither do i
expect google to drop theirs.
You guys worry too much about interrupted service, when your only
rightfull worry should be control over your data, but even that can
be solved if you run your own exchange server, or buy access to one
from your own country.
Besides this WebOS is a totally new mobile phone OS. Do not expect
it to be able to have the same sync options as older mobile phone
OS'es, like iphone, android, windows mobile or palm os.
Further more, the Palm Pre and WebOS was designed different from
other and older mobile Phone OS'es. The key design fokus was on
"query/search multiple sources for information".
This is a new design paradigm, no other mobile phone OS'es does
this. They all have a single "repository" thay they index and keep
data in. This repository are then syncronised between different devices.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2009/06/ars-palm-pre-review.ars
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"The contrast between the iPhone OS and Palm's webOS exemplifies the
latest turn of this wheel, driven by the same dynamic of
ever-cheapening processor cycles, bandwidth, and storage.
To recap a bit from the previous installment of this review, the
iPhone—and, indeed, the entire Apple ecosystem—presumes that your
contacts exist as an information repository, the canonical copy of
which exists either on your Mac or on the company's MobileMe
servers. It's up to you to actively curate this repository, adding
structure to it by putting contacts into groups and generally
organizing the repository so that it's easily browsable.
This structure-and-browse approach is a great, time-honored way to
manage a finite collection of digital objects (media files are the
best examples), and Apple has perfected it across its entire line of
products, including the iPhone. Browsing structured data is, in
fact, the default mode of interaction with every single Apple
product—from the Finder to iTunes to the iPod and iPhone.
Palm's webOS, in contrast, is built around the collect-and-query
paradigm. The current crop of default apps presume, fairly
consistently, that the first thing you'll do by way of interacting
with them is to begin typing on the hardware keyboard. Maybe you're
looking for a specific contact, app, or Web history item—regardless,
webOS wants you to start typing, even in situations where you also
have the option to browse. "
JonB
David Cantrell
> David Cantrell wrote:
> > THAT (and also things like "what if google loses interest in calendars
> > and sells the business") is why I don't trust the cloud. It's just
> > another way of committing yourself to proprietary lock-in.
> aaah, come on. The cloud is not a single entity. There are many
> different companies offering cloud services. So what if one entity
> closes their services, use another.
So you're saying that it's trivial to get my data out of Google (*after*
they've closed the service or sold it to someone else) and into OtherCo?
Without losing any data? And without needing to write new software for
my phone?
Surely you jest!
> Besides, i would expect the Palm Pre to support Exchange sync ...
You obviously missed the bit about proprietary lock-in. Also Exchange
doesn't work on my Mac.
> You guys worry too much about interrupted service
I need my address book and diary EVERY SINGLE DAY. Perhaps you don't
have a job and an active social life and so don't need it yourself and so
don't understand my position. Being without my data is a Bad Thing for
even a few hours if I forget to charge my phone. Being without my data
for a few *days* while I find an alternative service provider, struggle
to get at my data, import it to the new provider, fix the bugs that that
process introduced, and so on, is a disaster.
> when your only
> rightfull worry should be control over your data, but even that can
> be solved if you run your own exchange server, or buy access to one
> from your own country.
Why the hell should I buy access to someone elses service, or spend a
vast amount of money on a PC, Windows, Exchange, weird software to back
up Exchange, and the psychotherapy that I'd need to prevent me from
killing everyone around me when Exchange fails AGAIN [takes deep breath]
when it's easy for a phone to store its information locally and sync to
a desktop just like my Treo 680 does.
Let's hope that Missing Sync for Pre adds this obvious and necessary
functionality.
> Besides this WebOS is a totally new mobile phone OS. Do not expect
> it to be able to have the same sync options as older mobile phone
> OS'es, like iphone, android, windows mobile or palm os.
You're saying "don't expect new stuff to have all the useful features of
old stuff, but to throw them away and replace them with shiny!
user-hostile things". Are you sure you meant to say that?
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Jon Bendtsen
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:53:31PM +0200, Jon Bendtsen wrote:
>> David Cantrell wrote:
>>> THAT (and also things like "what if google loses interest in calendars
>>> and sells the business") is why I don't trust the cloud. It's just
>>> another way of committing yourself to proprietary lock-in.
>> aaah, come on. The cloud is not a single entity. There are many
>> different companies offering cloud services. So what if one entity
>> closes their services, use another.
>
> So you're saying that it's trivial to get my data out of Google (*after*
> they've closed the service or sold it to someone else) and into OtherCo?
> Without losing any data? And without needing to write new software for
> my phone?
No, thats not what i am saying. If google closes, you will still
have your data in your Pre. And all the other cloud services your
pre is connected to.
>> Besides, i would expect the Palm Pre to support Exchange sync ...
>
> You obviously missed the bit about proprietary lock-in. Also Exchange
> doesn't work on my Mac.
hahaha. Palm Pre is already a proprietary lock-in. Exchange does
work with entourage? or what is it's name? But look, that does
not matter, because your mac is not a part of the game. You have
your Pre and your exchange server, and they are connected.
On a side note, using a mac you can use "Missing sync for Palm Pre"
from markspace if you want to connect your Pre and your mac.
>> You guys worry too much about interrupted service
>
> I need my address book and diary EVERY SINGLE DAY. Perhaps you don't
> have a job and an active social life and so don't need it yourself and so
> don't understand my position. Being without my data is a Bad Thing for
> even a few hours if I forget to charge my phone. Being without my data
> for a few *days* while I find an alternative service provider, struggle
> to get at my data, import it to the new provider, fix the bugs that that
> process introduced, and so on, is a disaster.
I need it as well, every single day. But i dont think your Palm
will forget your data even if your "server", cloud service or ... is
down.
>> rightfull worry should be control over your data, but even that can
>> be solved if you run your own exchange server, or buy access to one
>> from your own country.
>
> Why the hell should I buy access to someone elses service, or spend a
> vast amount of money on a PC, Windows, Exchange, weird software to back
> up Exchange, and the psychotherapy that I'd need to prevent me from
> killing everyone around me when Exchange fails AGAIN [takes deep breath]
> when it's easy for a phone to store its information locally and sync to
> a desktop just like my Treo 680 does.
Because the palm pre was not made with old style desktop sync in
mind. Palm pre was made with cloud syncing in mind. Palm pre was
made with the mind that you "sync" it to your works exchange server
and to your private google account plus to your facebook
profile, ...
> Let's hope that Missing Sync for Pre adds this obvious and necessary
> functionality.
it probably will.
>> Besides this WebOS is a totally new mobile phone OS. Do not expect
>> it to be able to have the same sync options as older mobile phone
>> OS'es, like iphone, android, windows mobile or palm os.
>
> You're saying "don't expect new stuff to have all the useful features of
> old stuff, but to throw them away and replace them with shiny!
> user-hostile things". Are you sure you meant to say that?
Sort of. I can make it more precise by saying: "dont expect pre to
support old style desktop sync out of the box when the pre was
clearly designed with cloud sync in mind." It is a paradigme change.
I like this paradigme change. I have a primary customer which has an
exchange server. Then i have my own calender and contacts. Besides
that i have a computer club which has a calender and contacts and a
carsharing club. I would like to keep all those separated, but still
have access to them in my phone.
I think that the new "sync" paradigme that the Palm Pre supports is
brilliant, and while i would love to have support for my "sync"
needs to begin with, i fully understand that Palm is a small
strugling company that does not have resources to do everything. I
do believe that further "sync" support will come at some point.
JonB
Daniel James
> You're saying "don't expect new stuff to have all the useful
> features of old stuff, but to throw them away and replace them with
> shiny! user-hostile things". Are you sure you meant to say that?
That does seem, however, to be the message we hear again and again from
the cloud/web2 merchants.
I translate it as "We don't care that you have something that works well
already, we need you do adopt a new way of working that is less
convenient and less efficient because then we can sell you a whole load
of stuff you thought you had already and our jobs will be safe for
another day or two."
Pathetic, really.
Cheers,
Daniel.
Jon Bendtsen
But it does not work well already. I have 4 sources of information
that i want to be able to use, lookup, search, query, on my mobile
phone. At the moment the data will end up blended, mixed and
shuffled together. I dont want that. I want to be able to keep them
as 4 separate data sources.
Many other people have both a work calender and contacts, as well as
a private one. And they only want to carry one device. Plus they do
not want to mix the data. Thats why they need the Palm Pre.
I am pretty sure that the Pre can be synced to only one data source,
and also that you will eventually have the data sources you want.
But not in the beginning. Live with it. It's not a Palm (OS) phone.
It's not a Treo. It is a totally new product line, never seen before.
Stop complaining about Palm not doing what you want, Palm is not
your company. If you like the Pre, buy it. If you dont like it, buy
something else.
JonB
David Cantrell
> hahaha. Palm Pre is already a proprietary lock-in.
The solution to that is not more proprietary lock-in.
> Exchange does
> work with entourage? or what is it's name? But look, that does
> not matter, because your mac is not a part of the game. You have
> your Pre and your exchange server, and they are connected.
Bzzt, wrong. I don't have an Exchange server.
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Jon Bendtsen
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:54:47PM +0200, Jon Bendtsen wrote:
>
>> hahaha. Palm Pre is already a proprietary lock-in.
>
> The solution to that is not more proprietary lock-in.
>
>> Exchange does
>> work with entourage? or what is it's name? But look, that does
>> not matter, because your mac is not a part of the game. You have
>> your Pre and your exchange server, and they are connected.
>
> Bzzt, wrong. I don't have an Exchange server.
It was an example, when you said that exchange doesnt work with your
mac. It does work.
JonB
Jim Anderson
all sources together or seperately, but does not merge them into one
data file. It keeps them seperate and only syncs data to the source it
came from.
David Cantrell
Actually, what I said was that it doesn't work *on* my Mac. It's only
one word different, but it's a very important word.
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David Cantrell
> Stop complaining about Palm not doing what you want, Palm is not
> your company. If you like the Pre, buy it. If you dont like it, buy
> something else.
By that ridiculous illogic I would never complain about (for example)
Microsoft's crappy products, because it's not my company.
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Jon Bendtsen
[cuuuuuut]
> From what I have read in several reviews, the Pre displays all data from
> all sources together or seperately, but does not merge them into one
> data file. It keeps them seperate and only syncs data to the source it
> came from.
that is my understanding as well
Jon Bendtsen
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0200, Jon Bendtsen wrote:
>
>> Stop complaining about Palm not doing what you want, Palm is not
>> your company. If you like the Pre, buy it. If you dont like it, buy
>> something else.
>
> By that ridiculous illogic I would never complain about (for example)
> Microsoft's crappy products, because it's not my company.
ofc. not, just don't use it.
Daniel James
> Stop complaining about Palm not doing what you want, Palm is not
> your company. If you like the Pre, buy it. If you dont like it, buy
> something else.
That's stupid.
If we never point out to manufacturers that the products they are
making are not the products that we want they will never learn their
mistakes and we will never be offered the products that we want.
By pointing out the weaknesses of products in public forums we may hope
that the manufacturers (some manufacturers, not necessarily those of
the products that we are currently using) may address them and produce
better products.
However: In the case of the Pre I'm not so much criticizing as still
trying to work out what it does and what it does not do, because while
palm may be very good at designing handheld devices they seem to have
become mindbogglingly inept at telling anyone what it is that these
devices do and how they may be used.
Cheers,
Daniel.
Jon Bendtsen
> In article news:<h2homo$1g4l$1...@munin.diku.dk>, Jon Bendtsen wrote:
>> Stop complaining about Palm not doing what you want, Palm is not
>> your company. If you like the Pre, buy it. If you dont like it, buy
>> something else.
>
> That's stupid.
>
> If we never point out to manufacturers that the products they are
> making are not the products that we want they will never learn their
> mistakes and we will never be offered the products that we want.
And the best way to do that is by not buying their products.
> By pointing out the weaknesses of products in public forums we may hope
> that the manufacturers (some manufacturers, not necessarily those of
> the products that we are currently using) may address them and produce
> better products.
"I don't think they'll listen, lad" (guess a movie)
> However: In the case of the Pre I'm not so much criticizing as still
> trying to work out what it does and what it does not do, because while
> palm may be very good at designing handheld devices they seem to have
> become mindbogglingly inept at telling anyone what it is that these
> devices do and how they may be used.
I can agree with that.
JonB
David Cantrell
> Daniel James wrote:
> > If we never point out to manufacturers that the products they are
> > making are not the products that we want they will never learn their
> > mistakes and we will never be offered the products that we want.
> And the best way to do that is by not buying their products.
No, the best way is to not buy their products *and tell them why*.
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