Mouse Giving Up
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Hello,
After having my NeXTStation for 4 years my mouse appears to be giving up
on life. Does anyone know where I might get a compatible mouse? The
standard black mouse doesn't appear to me to be "standard" although I am
definitely not a hardware type.
Dave Holscher
Al Davis
: After having my NeXTStation for 4 years my mouse appears to be giving up
: standard black mouse doesn't appear to me to be "standard" although I am
: definitely not a hardware type.
I wonder what you mean by "giving up".
Mine was getting so the cursor didn't always track the motion. I took it
apart to inspect and was suprised at how much dust had accumulated
inside. I cleaned it out and it works like new again.
--
Todd Takken
M. Holscher) writes:
I've included some previous postings below. You can buy a Logitech mouse
and either make or buy an adaptor.
-- Todd Takken
tak...@raven.stanford.edu
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Recently, there was a posting in c.s.n.marketplace saying that
dancing bear now has a logitech mouse adapter for non-adb
systems for $18. This might be another option. (contact:
t...@dancingbear.com, 808-875-2455).
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From: kra...@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch).
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 05:10:39 GMT
Actually, you can use a Logitech BUS mouse off of a PC
directly... no point in ripping spare switches out. I have a
Logitech Bus Mouseman on my non-ADB black slab and it works
wonderfully, and feels much better than the NeXT mouse anyway.
You'll have to slice off the 9-pin mini-DIN plug that comes
with it and stick an 8-pin one on. I took an Apple
Imagewriter cable and cut it in half. The pinouts have been
posted
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From: ot...@coactive.com (Otto Lind)
Subject: Re: Logitech mouse on Black hardware
Date: 30 Jun 1994 05:48:15 GMT
It's a Logitech MouseMan Bus mouse, which comes with a ISA
card for PC's.
The following are pin placements for the connectors, looking
at them from the solder pin view (the end your looking at when
soldering on the cable). The numbers correspond the the 10 pin
single row connector within the Logitech mouse.
NEXT
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6 1 3
10 9 7
8 4
LOGITECH
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2 3 6
7 9 10 1
4 8
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Subject: L6. Where to obtain replacement mouse parts?
[jdav...@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu]
For those who have need of a new button in their mouse, and don't want to
pay for the whole mouse when it is only the button that has gone bad, we
have recently discovered a satisfactory replacement for the Omron
switch. It is in the Digikey catalog, # 931, Jan-Feb 1993, page 141,
under Cherry switches D4, DG, and DH series. Digikey part # CH164-ND,
Cherry part # DG1C-B1AA. We ordered one of these, and just received it
today. Tried it out, and it sems to be working flawlessly so far.
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From: ot...@coactive.com (Otto Lind)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Logitech mouse on Black hardware
Date: 30 Jun 1994 05:48:15 GMT
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: P.S. I'll post a summary (including wiring diagrams and a parts
: list) if I can find the connectors.
Hi,
I managed to get the parts for the mouse. Included in this posting is a
diagram for the pinouts that I used, followed by the parts list. It turned
out that the DIN connectors are pretty standard, and can be gotten from
several sources. I also included the original mail sent by Mike Andrews
which I used as a basis for making the cable. Note that my pinout has XA
and XB reversed from what was originally posted.
Several people responded by asking what mouse I used. It's a Logitech
MouseMan Bus mouse, which comes with a ISA card for PC's. Does any know
whether the mouse can be purchased without the card? We plan on replacing
several mice that are on their last legs, but don't want to waste the
money on cards we'll never use.
PINOUT:
The following are pin placements for the connectors, looking at them from
the solder pin view (the end your looking at when soldering on the
cable). The numbers correspond the the 10 pin single row connector within
the Logitech mouse.
NEXT
------------
6 1 3
10 9 7
8 4
LOGITECH
------------
2 3 6
7 9 10 1
4 8
In addition to wiring the above with an 8 conductor cable, I added two
diodes to the Logitech connector to allow the middle button to active
both other buttons (used by many X packages to emulate the third button).
The diode cathodes (the banded end) should be both be soldered to pin 2,
the anodes should be connected to pins 1 and 3. I used low powered
switching diodes which fit within the Logitech 9 pin receptacle.
DIODE WIRING
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pin 3 pin 2 pin 1
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|--------| >|-------+---------|< |--------|
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PARTS:
The following are the parts which I ordered from Digi-Key:
DigiKey 1-800-344-4539
part # Description
-------- -------------------------
cp-2080-nd 8 pin in-line plug
cp-2190-nd 9 pin in-line receptacle
1n4150ph switching diodes
This is the original mail from Mike:
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> From: kra...@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
> Subject: SUMMARY: Logitech Bus Mouse on Black Hardware -- pinouts needed
> Message-ID: <C8HDL...@fragile.termfrost.org>
> Date: 11 Jun 93 23:36:49 GMT
> Sender: kra...@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews)
> Reply-To: kra...@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews)
> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH
> Lines: 46
>
> I posted the other day asking about pinouts for the NeXT mouse so that I
could
> wire up a Logitech mouse. Apparently this is a pretty popular thing to
want
> to do, and I had several requests to post any responses I got, so:
>
> Antoine Gautier <ant...@osd.ulaval.ca> sent me a TIFF of the
Logitech->NeXT
> wiring diagram -- looks like it was done by Sean Luke
<se...@digaudio.byu.edu>
> originally. Rather than repost the TIFF, I'll make a crude ascii
drawing:
> (part of which comes from info originally from ke...@infoserv.com)
>
> On the NeXT end: 1: +5V 5: YB
> 6 7 8 2: XA 6: Right button
> 3 4 5 3: XB 7: Left button
> 1 2 4: YA 8: Ground
> Shell: chassis ground
>
> Inside the Logitech Bus MouseMan I have, there's a 10-pin connector:
>
> 1 - left button (green) Colors might vary on your mouse...
> 2 - mid button (purple)
> 3 - right button (grey)
> 4 - +5V (black)
> 5 - chassis ground, I think...
> 6 - ground (white)
> 7 - XA (red)
> 8 - XB (brown)
> 9 - YA (orange)
> 10 - YB (yellow)
>
> ke...@infoserv.com has gotten an Amiga/Atari mouse/trackball to work too;
> if anyone wants that pinout, mail me (or him?)...
>
> Anyway, this little scheme seems to work... It'd work better if I could
> solder worth a darn (apparnently I soldered XA and XB backwards today,
and
> produced a mouse that moved the cursor left when pushed right, and moved
the
> cursor right when pushed left :-)... but other than that minor
oversight,
> it seems to work REAL nicely.
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded! Hope this helps all of you who
responded
> with "me too"'s too...
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Andrews
> ro...@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK]
> kra...@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre,
Gus."
> kra...@mik.uky.edu (hometown) --
Primus
>
Otto
--
Otto Lind Coactive Aesthetics
ot...@coactive.com P.O. Box 425967, San Francisco, CA 94142
netcom!coactive!otto voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
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I have found a local source for the Omron switches. Electrosonic
(Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa) stock the identical switch. I think
it cost about $3.50CAN each. I am not sure of their mail order policy. I
have rebuilt mine and it works flawlessly.
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From: kra...@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch).
Message-ID: <CstAD...@fragile.termfrost.org>
Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 05:10:39 GMT
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se...@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes:
>: : My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about
>: : _impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch
>: : manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either:
>: : a. a new NeXT mouse.
>: : b. a used NeXT mouse
>: : c. a microswitch (the factory one is: 1668RAE D2F-01, made by Omron,
Japan)
>: : d. suggestions (maybe other third party mice will work?)
>If you like, you can rip one out of most older Logitech mice. Can't say
if
Actually, you can use a Logitech BUS mouse off of a PC directly... no
point
in ripping spare switches out. I have a Logitech Bus Mouseman on my
non-ADB
black slab and it works wonderfully, and feels much better than the NeXT
mouse anyway.
You'll have to slice off the 9-pin mini-DIN plug that comes with it and
stick an 8-pin one on. I took an Apple Imagewriter cable and cut it in
half. The pinouts have been posted, and I'm not at my console right now,
so mail me if you want the bus mouse pinouts and I'll NeXTmail the .ps
and .rtf versions to ya.
I've been told Amiga and Atari ST rodents and trackballs will work too,
but I know PC _serial_ mice won't.
--
Mike Andrews -- ro...@fragile.termfrost.org -- kra...@wittenberg.edu
"To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave..." - Primus