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Hauke Fath
Apr 26, 2013, 2:35:26 AM4/26/13
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Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
Not posting on it, since my local C News server is offline until I
manage to adapt it to NetBSD's 64 bit time_t, but my home machine is a
Quadra 650: cpu clocked at 40 MHz, upped to 136 MB RAM, a 72 GB Seagate
on an Atto wide scsi controller, and a MacPicasso 340 (no acceleration
on m68k, unfortunately) displaying 1280x1024 on an Eizo L685. A Logitech
TrackMan Marble completes the set.
Mainly used software: MacX, WriteNow, Eudora 3.1, FrameMaker.
hauke
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> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
Not posting on it, since my local C News server is offline until I
manage to adapt it to NetBSD's 64 bit time_t, but my home machine is a
Quadra 650: cpu clocked at 40 MHz, upped to 136 MB RAM, a 72 GB Seagate
on an Atto wide scsi controller, and a MacPicasso 340 (no acceleration
on m68k, unfortunately) displaying 1280x1024 on an Eizo L685. A Logitech
TrackMan Marble completes the set.
Mainly used software: MacX, WriteNow, Eudora 3.1, FrameMaker.
hauke
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 3:33:38 AM4/26/13
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In article <1l1xe89.uf9gjm146hhuoN%dont.spa...@googlemail.com>,
Sounds like an excellent setup. Will you use it for Usenet in the future
do you think?
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 3:40:02 AM4/26/13
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In article <dog_cow-1...@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog...@macgui.com> wrote:
> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> > Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> > rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
> too many models:
>
> Classic, LC, Quadra 605, Quadra 700, Quadra 610, Power Mac 8100/80, Power
> Mac 9500/200, bondi iMac, iMac DV, and maybe some other models that I can't
> recall right now. :-0
My collection is the LC and 9600, both heavily expanded and setup for
daily use. I also have an iBook G3 Dual USB 500Mhz, a PowerBook G4 17"
1Ghz, a G4 Cube, a PowerMac G4 that I'm upgrading to use as a dedicated
computer for my amateur radio rig, a couple of Newtons, 2000 and 2100, and
my main photography production machine is a PowerMac G5 dual 2.5Ghz 8GB
RAM, which still goes like greased lightning! I do have an Intel MacBook
Pro, 2.5Ghz I think, but I only use that when I need a computer "on
location".
In the past, when they could be got on ebay for 99p each, I got a bit
obsessed with buying old Macs, at one point had maybe a couple of dozen or
more of the things kicking around, the pride of which were the pair of
TAMs I had. All gone now, I saw sense and offloaded everything that I
never used. I've never owned one of the compact Macs and think that I will
invest in a SE/30 at some point just to round my collection out.
<dog...@macgui.com> wrote:
> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> > Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> > rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
> >
> > Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> > whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
>
> Well I'm not posting on a very old Mac, but in my collection are probably
> > Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> > whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
>
> too many models:
>
> Classic, LC, Quadra 605, Quadra 700, Quadra 610, Power Mac 8100/80, Power
> Mac 9500/200, bondi iMac, iMac DV, and maybe some other models that I can't
> recall right now. :-0
My collection is the LC and 9600, both heavily expanded and setup for
daily use. I also have an iBook G3 Dual USB 500Mhz, a PowerBook G4 17"
1Ghz, a G4 Cube, a PowerMac G4 that I'm upgrading to use as a dedicated
computer for my amateur radio rig, a couple of Newtons, 2000 and 2100, and
my main photography production machine is a PowerMac G5 dual 2.5Ghz 8GB
RAM, which still goes like greased lightning! I do have an Intel MacBook
Pro, 2.5Ghz I think, but I only use that when I need a computer "on
location".
In the past, when they could be got on ebay for 99p each, I got a bit
obsessed with buying old Macs, at one point had maybe a couple of dozen or
more of the things kicking around, the pride of which were the pair of
TAMs I had. All gone now, I saw sense and offloaded everything that I
never used. I've never owned one of the compact Macs and think that I will
invest in a SE/30 at some point just to round my collection out.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 3:47:40 AM4/26/13
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In article <osgeld-1...@macgui.com>, Kevin Dady
<osg...@cheesefactory.us> wrote:
> I dont typically use my vintage computers on a daily basis , but I do pull
> them out quite frequently, the Apple IIc being the most used. I also have a
> 9600, but the 300Mhz flavor with 256 megs of ram, a hacked up ati Radieon
> 7000, OS 9.22, OSX 10.2 and debain 6 installed.
>
> seeing that it only has 256 megs of ram it does hit the ole virtual memory
> quite a bit in modern applications (ie Firefox), one day I will remedy that
> issue to at least a gig and it should sing along quite nicely.
It'll take up to 1.5GB if you use all 128MB sticks of RAM. I did have mine
maxed but a few of the sticks were bad and it suffered annoying and
unpredictable shutdowns because of it. Dug out my spare parts box a while
ago and tested all my RAM and ended up with a combination of 128MB and
64MB sticks to total up the 1GB. Has run rock solid ever since.
>
> I also have a couple Pentiums, a 386 laptop, a Mac SE, and a Performa 430
I was thinking about getting an old PC but instead sourced a Apple-DOS
compatibility card for the 9600. It's a Pentium PC on a PCI board,
basically. Was a bit of a mare to setup but I got there in the end and
installed Windows 98 on it, so I can now effectively dual boot. I haven't
managed to get the thing to recognise the ethernet port yet, that's an
ongoing project...
<osg...@cheesefactory.us> wrote:
> I dont typically use my vintage computers on a daily basis , but I do pull
> them out quite frequently, the Apple IIc being the most used. I also have a
> 9600, but the 300Mhz flavor with 256 megs of ram, a hacked up ati Radieon
> 7000, OS 9.22, OSX 10.2 and debain 6 installed.
>
> seeing that it only has 256 megs of ram it does hit the ole virtual memory
> quite a bit in modern applications (ie Firefox), one day I will remedy that
> issue to at least a gig and it should sing along quite nicely.
It'll take up to 1.5GB if you use all 128MB sticks of RAM. I did have mine
maxed but a few of the sticks were bad and it suffered annoying and
unpredictable shutdowns because of it. Dug out my spare parts box a while
ago and tested all my RAM and ended up with a combination of 128MB and
64MB sticks to total up the 1GB. Has run rock solid ever since.
>
> I also have a couple Pentiums, a 386 laptop, a Mac SE, and a Performa 430
I was thinking about getting an old PC but instead sourced a Apple-DOS
compatibility card for the 9600. It's a Pentium PC on a PCI board,
basically. Was a bit of a mare to setup but I got there in the end and
installed Windows 98 on it, so I can now effectively dual boot. I haven't
managed to get the thing to recognise the ethernet port yet, that's an
ongoing project...
Barry OGrady
Apr 26, 2013, 5:07:20 AM4/26/13
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I have a Sunblade 150 which runs Solaris 10 due to having a
SPARC processor but it too has a Windows compatible PCI card
which allows it to run Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.
The PCI card has an AMD mobile Athlon and has 768 MB RAM.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 5:41:07 AM4/26/13
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In article <kmgkn8lp3mn91b1da...@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
I *think* that it's just about possible to get XP running on my PC card
too, I've read a couple of reports stating as much. It has a single 64MB
stick of RAM on it, though, and I don't know how useful XP would be on
such tight resources, particularly given that the processor is 166Mhz.
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too, I've read a couple of reports stating as much. It has a single 64MB
stick of RAM on it, though, and I don't know how useful XP would be on
such tight resources, particularly given that the processor is 166Mhz.
--
Stephen Harker
Apr 26, 2013, 5:44:17 AM4/26/13
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REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) writes:
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
The two machines I use to read and post are a 2.0GHz dual core G5 and a
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
iBook G4 1.33Hz, these run OSX 10.5 and 1.4 respectively, old YelloDog
Linux 6.2 and Fedora 17 and 16 respectively. I also have a 7600/200
with 1GB ram, G4 450MHz, Initio Miles2 with 143GB Seagate Cheetah and
36GB Cheetah, this runs os 9.2, 10.4 and YelloDog Linux 6.2.
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Stephen Harker s.ha...@adfa.edu.au
PEMS http://sjharker.customer.netspace.net.au/
UNSW@ADFA
Barry OGrady
Apr 26, 2013, 5:56:52 AM4/26/13
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:41:07 +0100, REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com
96 MB of RAM.
(Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
>In article <kmgkn8lp3mn91b1da...@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:47:40 +0100, REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com
>> (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <osgeld-1...@macgui.com>, Kevin Dady
>> ><osg...@cheesefactory.us> wrote:
>>
>> >> I also have a couple Pentiums, a 386 laptop, a Mac SE, and a Performa 430
>> >
>> >I was thinking about getting an old PC but instead sourced a Apple-DOS
>> >compatibility card for the 9600. It's a Pentium PC on a PCI board,
>> >basically. Was a bit of a mare to setup but I got there in the end and
>> >installed Windows 98 on it, so I can now effectively dual boot. I haven't
>> >managed to get the thing to recognise the ethernet port yet, that's an
>> >ongoing project...
>>
>> I had one of those cards in an early Mac and ran Windows 98 also.
>> I have a Sunblade 150 which runs Solaris 10 due to having a
>> SPARC processor but it too has a Windows compatible PCI card
>> which allows it to run Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.
>> The PCI card has an AMD mobile Athlon and has 768 MB RAM.
>
>I *think* that it's just about possible to get XP running on my PC card
>too, I've read a couple of reports stating as much. It has a single 64MB
>stick of RAM on it, though, and I don't know how useful XP would be on
>such tight resources, particularly given that the processor is 166Mhz.
If its any help I had Windows XP Pro running on a Pentium with
>In article <kmgkn8lp3mn91b1da...@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:47:40 +0100, REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com
>> (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <osgeld-1...@macgui.com>, Kevin Dady
>> ><osg...@cheesefactory.us> wrote:
>>
>> >> I also have a couple Pentiums, a 386 laptop, a Mac SE, and a Performa 430
>> >
>> >I was thinking about getting an old PC but instead sourced a Apple-DOS
>> >compatibility card for the 9600. It's a Pentium PC on a PCI board,
>> >basically. Was a bit of a mare to setup but I got there in the end and
>> >installed Windows 98 on it, so I can now effectively dual boot. I haven't
>> >managed to get the thing to recognise the ethernet port yet, that's an
>> >ongoing project...
>>
>> I had one of those cards in an early Mac and ran Windows 98 also.
>> I have a Sunblade 150 which runs Solaris 10 due to having a
>> SPARC processor but it too has a Windows compatible PCI card
>> which allows it to run Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.
>> The PCI card has an AMD mobile Athlon and has 768 MB RAM.
>
>I *think* that it's just about possible to get XP running on my PC card
>too, I've read a couple of reports stating as much. It has a single 64MB
>stick of RAM on it, though, and I don't know how useful XP would be on
>such tight resources, particularly given that the processor is 166Mhz.
96 MB of RAM.
Hauke Fath
Apr 26, 2013, 7:31:06 AM4/26/13
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Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like an excellent setup. Will you use it for Usenet in the future
> do you think?
Yes, definitely - once I have found the round tuits to fix C News. As
> Sounds like an excellent setup. Will you use it for Usenet in the future
> do you think?
usual, it's a SMOP, but takes a few idle hours which I seem to have an
increasingly hard time finding these days.
Too many interests on the plate... =8/
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 8:46:34 AM4/26/13
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In article <m3haitf...@howitt.home>, Stephen Harker
is fantastic and was my main machine until I upgraded to the 2.5Ghz
version. The best thing about the 2.0 is that it is air cooled, so is very
unlikely to fail anytime soon whereas the 2.5 I'm using now has the liquid
cooling system in it and although there is no evidence *yet* that it is
leaking, I fear it will only be a matter of time... Still, it's a great
machine and I'm happy to have got it for £150 last year, but the
performance bump from the extra 0.5Ghz is negligible, I've only noticed it
when doing a video render, something that I don't do all that often
anyway!
>I also have a 7600/200
> with 1GB ram, G4 450MHz, Initio Miles2 with 143GB Seagate Cheetah and
> 36GB Cheetah, this runs os 9.2, 10.4 and YelloDog Linux 6.2.
How much hard work is involved in getting Linux working on a Mac? I'm
tempted to take it on as a project for my 9600, I've got a spare 4GB HDD
in there which I'd be happy to partition and give Linux a go on. My
experience of any type of Linux is essentially nil, though...
--
<sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> The two machines I use to read and post are a 2.0GHz dual core G5 and a
> iBook G4 1.33Hz, these run OSX 10.5 and 1.4 respectively, old YelloDog
> Linux 6.2 and Fedora 17 and 16 respectively.
I take it the G5 is a PowerMac tower, right? If so, that particular model
>
> The two machines I use to read and post are a 2.0GHz dual core G5 and a
> iBook G4 1.33Hz, these run OSX 10.5 and 1.4 respectively, old YelloDog
> Linux 6.2 and Fedora 17 and 16 respectively.
is fantastic and was my main machine until I upgraded to the 2.5Ghz
version. The best thing about the 2.0 is that it is air cooled, so is very
unlikely to fail anytime soon whereas the 2.5 I'm using now has the liquid
cooling system in it and although there is no evidence *yet* that it is
leaking, I fear it will only be a matter of time... Still, it's a great
machine and I'm happy to have got it for £150 last year, but the
performance bump from the extra 0.5Ghz is negligible, I've only noticed it
when doing a video render, something that I don't do all that often
anyway!
>I also have a 7600/200
> with 1GB ram, G4 450MHz, Initio Miles2 with 143GB Seagate Cheetah and
> 36GB Cheetah, this runs os 9.2, 10.4 and YelloDog Linux 6.2.
tempted to take it on as a project for my 9600, I've got a spare 4GB HDD
in there which I'd be happy to partition and give Linux a go on. My
experience of any type of Linux is essentially nil, though...
--
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 8:48:11 AM4/26/13
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In article <1l1xs30.g8udlq15lg9rsN%dont.spa...@googlemail.com>,
Tell me about. Between work, family and amateur radio (new hobby taken up
last year, am working up through the licence classes), I've had barely a
spare 5 minutes lately.
Tell me about. Between work, family and amateur radio (new hobby taken up
last year, am working up through the licence classes), I've had barely a
spare 5 minutes lately.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 8:49:23 AM4/26/13
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In article <qkjkn85jc7rvim51g...@4ax.com>, Barry OGrady
was such a nuisance getting it all set-up that I don't want to pull it
around and mess it up any time soon! Just need to crack that ethernet nut
and I'll be happy.
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<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> If its any help I had Windows XP Pro running on a Pentium with
> 96 MB of RAM.
That's worth noting, thanks. I'll leave 98 on there for the time being, it
> If its any help I had Windows XP Pro running on a Pentium with
> 96 MB of RAM.
was such a nuisance getting it all set-up that I don't want to pull it
around and mess it up any time soon! Just need to crack that ethernet nut
and I'll be happy.
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Király
Apr 26, 2013, 1:38:51 PM4/26/13
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I still have an eMac running Leopard. It's at work (I'm a music teacher
in an elementary school) and it still works great for what I need it to
do. I mostly use it for iTunes.
It beats the pants off the Dell desktops running Windows XP that the
school board provides us.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
in an elementary school) and it still works great for what I need it to
do. I mostly use it for iTunes.
It beats the pants off the Dell desktops running Windows XP that the
school board provides us.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 26, 2013, 4:34:54 PM4/26/13
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In article <klee3b$r29$1...@dont-email.me>, m...@home.spamsucks.ca
up models. Very capable.
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kir=E1ly?=) wrote:
> I still have an eMac running Leopard. It's at work (I'm a music teacher
> in an elementary school) and it still works great for what I need it to
> do. I mostly use it for iTunes.
>
> It beats the pants off the Dell desktops running Windows XP that the
> school board provides us.
I've had a few eMacs in the past, great machines, particularly the 1.0 and
> I still have an eMac running Leopard. It's at work (I'm a music teacher
> in an elementary school) and it still works great for what I need it to
> do. I mostly use it for iTunes.
>
> It beats the pants off the Dell desktops running Windows XP that the
> school board provides us.
up models. Very capable.
Scott Alfter
Apr 26, 2013, 5:13:29 PM4/26/13
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In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
at the time (a Win7 box at the present, for instance). I use Eternal
September for text newsgroups.
I have a G4 mini that's been troublesome about booting lately...could be the
hard drive's on the way out. It is on my desk at home, but I've not had
time to fix it. The only other vintage hardware that's out and ready to use
is an Apple IIGS (yes, I know it's not a Mac, but I learned of this group
through comp.sys.apple2) on top of a refrigerator in the garage; it serves
as a temperature controller for beer fermentation. A Color Classic, a
Quadra 610, a II+, and a IIe are boxed up in the garage, and a
IIGS-in-a-IIe-case is inside in a closet (that last one started life as a
IIe that my parents bought new ~28 years ago).
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/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
>whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
I have trn installed on a Linode VPS; I ssh into it from whatever I'm using
>whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
at the time (a Win7 box at the present, for instance). I use Eternal
September for text newsgroups.
I have a G4 mini that's been troublesome about booting lately...could be the
hard drive's on the way out. It is on my desk at home, but I've not had
time to fix it. The only other vintage hardware that's out and ready to use
is an Apple IIGS (yes, I know it's not a Mac, but I learned of this group
through comp.sys.apple2) on top of a refrigerator in the garage; it serves
as a temperature controller for beer fermentation. A Color Classic, a
Quadra 610, a II+, and a IIe are boxed up in the garage, and a
IIGS-in-a-IIe-case is inside in a closet (that last one started life as a
IIe that my parents bought new ~28 years ago).
_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
Stephen Harker
Apr 26, 2013, 6:07:28 PM4/26/13
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REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) writes:
> In article <m3haitf...@howitt.home>, Stephen Harker
> <sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> The two machines I use to read and post are a 2.0GHz dual core G5 and a
>> iBook G4 1.33Hz, these run OSX 10.5 and 1.4 respectively, old YelloDog
>> Linux 6.2 and Fedora 17 and 16 respectively.
>
> I take it the G5 is a PowerMac tower, right? If so, that particular model
> is fantastic and was my main machine until I upgraded to the 2.5Ghz
> version. The best thing about the 2.0 is that it is air cooled, so is very
> unlikely to fail anytime soon whereas the 2.5 I'm using now has the liquid
> cooling system in it and although there is no evidence *yet* that it is
> leaking, I fear it will only be a matter of time...
Yes, it is the tower: I am pretty sure that the dual-core G5s were only
> <sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> The two machines I use to read and post are a 2.0GHz dual core G5 and a
>> iBook G4 1.33Hz, these run OSX 10.5 and 1.4 respectively, old YelloDog
>> Linux 6.2 and Fedora 17 and 16 respectively.
>
> I take it the G5 is a PowerMac tower, right? If so, that particular model
> is fantastic and was my main machine until I upgraded to the 2.5Ghz
> version. The best thing about the 2.0 is that it is air cooled, so is very
> unlikely to fail anytime soon whereas the 2.5 I'm using now has the liquid
> cooling system in it and although there is no evidence *yet* that it is
> leaking, I fear it will only be a matter of time...
used on the PowerMac towers. This one has 8GB (two 2GB pairs) and the
flashed 7800GTX512. Like you I was tempted by the 2.5 GHz, but the
water cooling reliability was a deciding factor. I believe the 2.3 GHz
dual-core is also air cooled.
>>I also have a 7600/200
>> with 1GB ram, G4 450MHz, Initio Miles2 with 143GB Seagate Cheetah and
>> 36GB Cheetah, this runs os 9.2, 10.4 and YelloDog Linux 6.2.
>
> How much hard work is involved in getting Linux working on a Mac? I'm
> tempted to take it on as a project for my 9600, I've got a spare 4GB HDD
> in there which I'd be happy to partition and give Linux a go on. My
> experience of any type of Linux is essentially nil, though...
soem individual machines caused problems. For the old-world machines it
is considerably trickier. Some distributions are better than others.
YelloDog Linux dropped support for old-world machines after version 3.1,
buy not compiling needed drivers in the kernel. I use self-compiled
kernels with the drivers compiled in. Debian is one of the better
options for old-world machines as it has the needed drivers, judging
from: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en For
old-world machines there are three boot loader options I know of: quik,
bootx and miboot. I use bootx which lets you select linux or MacOS from
the mac boot process. You need to check drivers for your hardware.
Some general sites for information on linux on powerpc are
http://penguinppc.org/ and http://mac.linux.be/.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2013, 9:53:57 AM4/27/13
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In article <m37gjp7...@howitt.home>, Stephen Harker
first one I see that's in the <£100 range. I don't expect my 2.5 tower to
last many more years, whereas any 2.3 should run for a long time yet.
>
> With the new-world PowerMacs linux is normally easy to install, though
> soem individual machines caused problems. For the old-world machines it
> is considerably trickier. Some distributions are better than others.
> YelloDog Linux dropped support for old-world machines after version 3.1,
> buy not compiling needed drivers in the kernel. I use self-compiled
> kernels with the drivers compiled in. Debian is one of the better
> options for old-world machines as it has the needed drivers, judging
> from: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en For
> old-world machines there are three boot loader options I know of: quik,
> bootx and miboot. I use bootx which lets you select linux or MacOS from
> the mac boot process. You need to check drivers for your hardware.
>
> Some general sites for information on linux on powerpc are
> http://penguinppc.org/ and http://mac.linux.be/.
Thanks for that, really interesting and helpful. I will investigate!
<sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> Yes, it is the tower: I am pretty sure that the dual-core G5s were only
> used on the PowerMac towers. This one has 8GB (two 2GB pairs) and the
> flashed 7800GTX512. Like you I was tempted by the 2.5 GHz, but the
> water cooling reliability was a deciding factor. I believe the 2.3 GHz
> dual-core is also air cooled.
Yes, it is. I keep one eye on eBay for the 2.3 version and will grab the
>
> Yes, it is the tower: I am pretty sure that the dual-core G5s were only
> used on the PowerMac towers. This one has 8GB (two 2GB pairs) and the
> flashed 7800GTX512. Like you I was tempted by the 2.5 GHz, but the
> water cooling reliability was a deciding factor. I believe the 2.3 GHz
> dual-core is also air cooled.
first one I see that's in the <£100 range. I don't expect my 2.5 tower to
last many more years, whereas any 2.3 should run for a long time yet.
>
> With the new-world PowerMacs linux is normally easy to install, though
> soem individual machines caused problems. For the old-world machines it
> is considerably trickier. Some distributions are better than others.
> YelloDog Linux dropped support for old-world machines after version 3.1,
> buy not compiling needed drivers in the kernel. I use self-compiled
> kernels with the drivers compiled in. Debian is one of the better
> options for old-world machines as it has the needed drivers, judging
> from: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en For
> old-world machines there are three boot loader options I know of: quik,
> bootx and miboot. I use bootx which lets you select linux or MacOS from
> the mac boot process. You need to check drivers for your hardware.
>
> Some general sites for information on linux on powerpc are
> http://penguinppc.org/ and http://mac.linux.be/.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2013, 9:54:56 AM4/27/13
to
In article <kleqlp$1c4$1...@dont-email.me>, sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us
hard on a genuine task and earning their keep like that!
(Scott Alfter) wrote:
> In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
> Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> >whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
>
> I have trn installed on a Linode VPS; I ssh into it from whatever I'm using
> at the time (a Win7 box at the present, for instance). I use Eternal
> September for text newsgroups.
>
> I have a G4 mini that's been troublesome about booting lately...could be the
> hard drive's on the way out. It is on my desk at home, but I've not had
> time to fix it. The only other vintage hardware that's out and ready to use
> is an Apple IIGS (yes, I know it's not a Mac, but I learned of this group
> through comp.sys.apple2) on top of a refrigerator in the garage; it serves
> as a temperature controller for beer fermentation. A Color Classic, a
> Quadra 610, a II+, and a IIe are boxed up in the garage, and a
> IIGS-in-a-IIe-case is inside in a closet (that last one started life as a
> IIe that my parents bought new ~28 years ago).
>
Always gives me a thrill to hear about ancient computers still working
> In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
> Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> >whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
>
> I have trn installed on a Linode VPS; I ssh into it from whatever I'm using
> at the time (a Win7 box at the present, for instance). I use Eternal
> September for text newsgroups.
>
> I have a G4 mini that's been troublesome about booting lately...could be the
> hard drive's on the way out. It is on my desk at home, but I've not had
> time to fix it. The only other vintage hardware that's out and ready to use
> is an Apple IIGS (yes, I know it's not a Mac, but I learned of this group
> through comp.sys.apple2) on top of a refrigerator in the garage; it serves
> as a temperature controller for beer fermentation. A Color Classic, a
> Quadra 610, a II+, and a IIe are boxed up in the garage, and a
> IIGS-in-a-IIe-case is inside in a closet (that last one started life as a
> IIe that my parents bought new ~28 years ago).
>
hard on a genuine task and earning their keep like that!
Laszlo Lebrun
Apr 27, 2013, 10:10:29 AM4/27/13
to
On 25.04.2013 19:46, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
>
> Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
>
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
Hi, nice to be here!
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
I am using a non-Apple vintage notebook that is pretty close to a
Macbook Pro2, but with the ATI-X1600 GPU of the Macbook Pro1 and the
cool 1920x1200 panel of the Macbooks Pro3.
I love it. I am running a cool triple boot of:
-vintage OSX 10.6 Snow (32 bit)
(the last good one with Rosetta before the "tabletification" insanity
of Apple's OS-X.
-vintage Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
(the last good one with Gnome II before the "tabletification"
insanity of Canonical's Ubuntu).
-(not yet) vintage Windows 7
(the last good one with Aero before the "tabletification" insanity
of Microsoft's Windows)
I use Thunderbird for news, which has for me the advantage of running on
all three platforms with a shared profile.
cu+
Laszlo
--
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2013, 10:30:10 AM4/27/13
to
In article <klgm8o$r5d$1...@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun
although Leopard remains my favourite of the OSX iterations and is what's
installed on my G5 tower. I've used 10.7 and 10.8 a bunch of times but
just can't abide the changes they've made to the UI. Hopefully they'll
reel it back a little for the next release, but I won't hold my breath.
<lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> -vintage OSX 10.6 Snow (32 bit)
> (the last good one with Rosetta before the "tabletification" insanity
> of Apple's OS-X.
I have Snow Leopard installed on my Intel MBP and it's a great system,
> -vintage OSX 10.6 Snow (32 bit)
> (the last good one with Rosetta before the "tabletification" insanity
> of Apple's OS-X.
although Leopard remains my favourite of the OSX iterations and is what's
installed on my G5 tower. I've used 10.7 and 10.8 a bunch of times but
just can't abide the changes they've made to the UI. Hopefully they'll
reel it back a little for the next release, but I won't hold my breath.
Ecnerwal
Apr 28, 2013, 9:06:55 AM4/28/13
to
In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
eventually cut the back out of it to mount and show off the signatures
on the inside. Don't use it. Have very occasionally fired up with
strategic conquest (3.2, or perhaps that's with a system 3.2 boot
floppy), but it's been years. I also have some other 9" screen macs, but
don't recall which right now. I'm amazed we could work with how
painfully sluggish they are whenever I go back to them.
Posting from and primarily use 2011 MacMini running (eww, ick) 10.7
(like the hardware, it's cool and quiet, not so find of the OS version -
10.6 is the last good one if you don't need classic, IMHO.) Using MT
Newswatcher, which hangs on exit and winds up the cooling fan until I
notice it's hung and force-quit about 30% of the time. It's been doing
that on the previous computer below for years - not sure when that
behavior started, but it's obviously not getting fixed.
Dual G4 1GHZ (not so cool or quiet) sitting under the desk connected to
the same display as the mini - primary machine up to 2011, still used
occasionally, 10.4.11 (last good operating system if you do need
classic) and 9.2.2 - 9 is primarily of use for SonicWorx Artist (pro?),
which does not run correctly in classic. Stand-Up folks - when they
decided they were not bringing the software to OSX, they released the
full version (which had been a payware upgrade from their freeware
teaser, Artist Basic.) WriteNow 4.0 works fine either way.
eMac (forget which speed - 1.42 G?) running tiger (10.4.11) server doing
DHCP and light file service for school network. Turned out my copies of
tiger server would not install/run on an intel mini, which I had thought
I was going to shift that to. The godawful loud G4 Xserve went bad with
a whacky power supply, and this was the fastest G4 I had available (the
Xserve was 1Ghz, so faster than it). eMacs were not good on the whole -
I have more dead than alive, and many colorful CRT iMacs that predated
them also outlasted them. Bad caps with a "so secret I certainly didn't
hear about it until it was too late" "secret recall" killed a number,
and other problems (which might or might not be different bad caps)
killed more. I have three running, possibly one more that could be, and
a lot of weighty carcasses.
The colorful CRT iMacs are all out of use now, but some still work -
running 10.4 for general-purpose net access is a less valid proposition
every day, so they are in the basement with the mostly-dead eMacs.
G4-400 tower running my wife's OS9 & WriteNow stuff. Libre Office really
needs a WriteNow import filter...or WriteNow needs a new version for
OSX/intel. Nothing fully replaces what it could do. Still, I've pried
myself forward despite that.
I think there's a PPC7100 down there just because it happens to have a
fancy data acquisition board, and I couldn't bear to dispose of it. As I
recall, it came as a donation with the board and without the board's
incredibly expensive software, so it will be a bit of a challenge to
make use of. That's one of the ones with a terrible oddball display
connector that needs a special adapter, but I have a couple of those,
still.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.
REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
Pretty sure I still have my original MacPlus somewhere, if only to
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not.
eventually cut the back out of it to mount and show off the signatures
on the inside. Don't use it. Have very occasionally fired up with
strategic conquest (3.2, or perhaps that's with a system 3.2 boot
floppy), but it's been years. I also have some other 9" screen macs, but
don't recall which right now. I'm amazed we could work with how
painfully sluggish they are whenever I go back to them.
Posting from and primarily use 2011 MacMini running (eww, ick) 10.7
(like the hardware, it's cool and quiet, not so find of the OS version -
10.6 is the last good one if you don't need classic, IMHO.) Using MT
Newswatcher, which hangs on exit and winds up the cooling fan until I
notice it's hung and force-quit about 30% of the time. It's been doing
that on the previous computer below for years - not sure when that
behavior started, but it's obviously not getting fixed.
Dual G4 1GHZ (not so cool or quiet) sitting under the desk connected to
the same display as the mini - primary machine up to 2011, still used
occasionally, 10.4.11 (last good operating system if you do need
classic) and 9.2.2 - 9 is primarily of use for SonicWorx Artist (pro?),
which does not run correctly in classic. Stand-Up folks - when they
decided they were not bringing the software to OSX, they released the
full version (which had been a payware upgrade from their freeware
teaser, Artist Basic.) WriteNow 4.0 works fine either way.
eMac (forget which speed - 1.42 G?) running tiger (10.4.11) server doing
DHCP and light file service for school network. Turned out my copies of
tiger server would not install/run on an intel mini, which I had thought
I was going to shift that to. The godawful loud G4 Xserve went bad with
a whacky power supply, and this was the fastest G4 I had available (the
Xserve was 1Ghz, so faster than it). eMacs were not good on the whole -
I have more dead than alive, and many colorful CRT iMacs that predated
them also outlasted them. Bad caps with a "so secret I certainly didn't
hear about it until it was too late" "secret recall" killed a number,
and other problems (which might or might not be different bad caps)
killed more. I have three running, possibly one more that could be, and
a lot of weighty carcasses.
The colorful CRT iMacs are all out of use now, but some still work -
running 10.4 for general-purpose net access is a less valid proposition
every day, so they are in the basement with the mostly-dead eMacs.
G4-400 tower running my wife's OS9 & WriteNow stuff. Libre Office really
needs a WriteNow import filter...or WriteNow needs a new version for
OSX/intel. Nothing fully replaces what it could do. Still, I've pried
myself forward despite that.
I think there's a PPC7100 down there just because it happens to have a
fancy data acquisition board, and I couldn't bear to dispose of it. As I
recall, it came as a donation with the board and without the board's
incredibly expensive software, so it will be a bit of a challenge to
make use of. That's one of the ones with a terrible oddball display
connector that needs a special adapter, but I have a couple of those,
still.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.
Leonard Blaisdell
Apr 30, 2013, 2:09:02 AM4/30/13
to
In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
> How much hard work is involved in getting Linux working on a Mac? I'm
> tempted to take it on as a project for my 9600, I've got a spare 4GB HDD
> in there which I'd be happy to partition and give Linux a go on. My
> experience of any type of Linux is essentially nil, though...
I used to run McLinux DR3 and then linuxppc on a 9600, and they ran
> tempted to take it on as a project for my 9600, I've got a spare 4GB HDD
> in there which I'd be happy to partition and give Linux a go on. My
> experience of any type of Linux is essentially nil, though...
well. Yellow Dog on CD didn't on mine (perhaps my CD player was the
problem) and I stopped there when OSX came out and presented, what I
believe was, a much easier interface to a similar OS. I just bought a
newer computer.
The best I did with a 9600 was linuxppc, kernel 2.4 and ext2 as a
filesystem. I don't know if this stuff is still available, but I still
reap the rewards of the CLI that Linux taught me.
leo
Roger Merriman
Apr 30, 2013, 2:12:03 AM4/30/13
to
Stephen Thomas Cole <REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
>
> Hello folks. Dead pleased that this group has been created, very neatly
> rolls two hobbys of mine (old macs and Usenet) into one!
>
> Thought it'd be interesting to see how everyone is using the group,
> whether most are posting on old hardware or not. I am writing this on my
> Apple Mac LCIII+, 2GB HDD, 36MB RAM (and various other upgrades), running
> OS7.6.1. The newsreader is MT-NewsWatcher v2.4.4 and I am using the
> Eternal September server. It's a setup that does pretty well for me. The
> processor is a 33Mhz 68030, so there is a requirement for *patience*
> sometimes, mostly when loading a group full of new messages. General use
> of the program is pretty responsive. I'm going to make csmv one of the
> groups that I access on this set-up.
>
> I do have a PowerMac 9600 sitting next to me with MT-NewsWatcher installed
> on it too. With the 350Mhz processor that's got (and the 1GB of RAM,
> OS7.6.1 again(it also dual boots to OS8)) it absolutely makes it fly, so
> I've started using that computer for my more intensive Usenet work (I've
> been dealing with a proposal for a moderated amateur radio newsgroup in
> the UK.* hierarchy lately and sending hundreds of messages was beyond the
> scope of the LC setup). The PowerMac is pointed at my ISP server, which I
> believe is outsourced to Highwinds, and this group is not yet on the
> grouplist... But ES seems to work great most of the time so I'm happy!
The vintage mac DV that is used is a itunes server, running Tiger.
Tend to use it by itunes sharing or directly.
We also have a Wallstreet and a classic, the wallstreet gets used rarely
the classic doesn't.
Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
David Kennedy
Apr 30, 2013, 7:05:10 AM4/30/13
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David Kennedy
http://www.anindianinexile.com
Stephen Thomas Cole
May 1, 2013, 1:58:53 AM5/1/13
to
In article <leoblaisdell-05D9...@News.Individual.NET>,
Cheers Leo, I will note all that down for future reference.
Stephen Thomas Cole
May 1, 2013, 2:07:27 AM5/1/13
to
In article <1l24oyd.1opp5hvm6j3iuN%NE...@sarlet.com>, NE...@sarlet.com
I had one a while ago, but passed it on as I didn't need 3 vintage
laptops! Just the white iBook and aluminium PowerBook left.
(Roger Merriman) wrote:
> The vintage mac DV that is used is a itunes server, running Tiger.
>
> Tend to use it by itunes sharing or directly.
>
> We also have a Wallstreet and a classic, the wallstreet gets used rarely
> the classic doesn't.
The Wallstreet is a neat little machine, as are most of the G3 PowerBooks.
> The vintage mac DV that is used is a itunes server, running Tiger.
>
> Tend to use it by itunes sharing or directly.
>
> We also have a Wallstreet and a classic, the wallstreet gets used rarely
> the classic doesn't.
I had one a while ago, but passed it on as I didn't need 3 vintage
laptops! Just the white iBook and aluminium PowerBook left.
Howard S Shubs
May 1, 2013, 4:14:44 AM5/1/13
to
In article <REMOVEsteve.t.col...@192.168.0.134>,
REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
REMOVEste...@REMOVEgmail.com (Stephen Thomas Cole) wrote:
> In article <1l24oyd.1opp5hvm6j3iuN%NE...@sarlet.com>, NE...@sarlet.com
> (Roger Merriman) wrote:
>
> > The vintage mac DV that is used is a itunes server, running Tiger.
> >
> > Tend to use it by itunes sharing or directly.
> >
> > We also have a Wallstreet and a classic, the wallstreet gets used rarely
> > the classic doesn't.
>
> The Wallstreet is a neat little machine, as are most of the G3 PowerBooks.
> I had one a while ago, but passed it on as I didn't need 3 vintage
> laptops! Just the white iBook and aluminium PowerBook left.
I loved my Wallstreet. SO modular!! Easy to work on, upgrade, swap
> (Roger Merriman) wrote:
>
> > The vintage mac DV that is used is a itunes server, running Tiger.
> >
> > Tend to use it by itunes sharing or directly.
> >
> > We also have a Wallstreet and a classic, the wallstreet gets used rarely
> > the classic doesn't.
>
> The Wallstreet is a neat little machine, as are most of the G3 PowerBooks.
> I had one a while ago, but passed it on as I didn't need 3 vintage
> laptops! Just the white iBook and aluminium PowerBook left.
devices... <swoon> Of course, Apple won't make anything remotely like
that now.
dochol...@gmail.com
May 1, 2013, 1:38:21 PM5/1/13
to
On Saturday, April 27, 2013 2:53:57 PM UTC+1, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> In article <m37gjp7...@howitt.home>, Stephen Harker
>
> <sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, it is the tower: I am pretty sure that the dual-core G5s were only
> > used on the PowerMac towers. This one has 8GB (two 2GB pairs) and the
> > flashed 7800GTX512. Like you I was tempted by the 2.5 GHz, but the
> > water cooling reliability was a deciding factor. I believe the 2.3 GHz
> > dual-core is also air cooled.
>
> Yes, it is. I keep one eye on eBay for the 2.3 version and will grab the
> first one I see that's in the <£100 range. I don't expect my 2.5 tower to
> last many more years, whereas any 2.3 should run for a long time yet.
>
I have one of these which has had PSU problems twice - the first time I had a new PSU fitted (at least, it was claimed to be new, although the problems I had with the repairer didn't inspire me with great confidence), but then it failed again and I haven't bothered trying again. Anyone else had this sort of problem, or is this machine just unlucky for me? The 2.0 G5 I transferred the hard disk to (both times) has continued running with no problems.
> In article <m37gjp7...@howitt.home>, Stephen Harker
>
> <sjha...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, it is the tower: I am pretty sure that the dual-core G5s were only
> > used on the PowerMac towers. This one has 8GB (two 2GB pairs) and the
> > flashed 7800GTX512. Like you I was tempted by the 2.5 GHz, but the
> > water cooling reliability was a deciding factor. I believe the 2.3 GHz
> > dual-core is also air cooled.
>
> Yes, it is. I keep one eye on eBay for the 2.3 version and will grab the
> first one I see that's in the <£100 range. I don't expect my 2.5 tower to
> last many more years, whereas any 2.3 should run for a long time yet.
>
Mike
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