Suprised - CMD-backspace in trash puts the file back.

[Alan Browne]

By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
(rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
CMD-backspace.

The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!

I checked on the web and that's: normal.

I would have expected an error message (eg: "This is already deleted!").

I guess it makes a sort of sense, just never expected it.

--
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know."
-Samuel Clemens.

[Warren Oates]

In article <OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> CMD-backspace.
>
> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!

Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8

That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.
--

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

[Helpful Harry]

In article <OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> CMD-backspace.
>
> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
>
> I checked on the web and that's: normal.
>
> I would have expected an error message (eg: "This is already deleted!").
>
> I guess it makes a sort of sense, just never expected it.

It would would make more sense if it actually deleted the selected
file(s), since being in the Trash isn't really deleted ... which is a
missing feature someone else was looking for last week.

Helpful Harry :o)

[John McWilliams]

On 4/27/12 PDT 1:34 PM, Warren Oates wrote:
> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
>> CMD-backspace.
>>
>> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
>
> Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8
>
> That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.

Yes, have missed that from time to time. It's Cmd-Delete, though, not
left arrow.
(We have no backspace button per se.)

[Brian Gordon]

In article <jnf84p$13s$1...@dont-email.me>,

In 10.7.3, neither seemto do anything. Neither does CMD-Y.


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[Jolly Roger]

In article <OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> CMD-backspace.

You can also just choose the Finder Edit > Undo command or type
Command-Z to restore the last file you moved, copied, or deleted.

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JR

[Jolly Roger]

In article <jnf8pv$q4a$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

bri...@panix.com (Brian Gordon) wrote:

> In article <jnf84p$13s$1...@dont-email.me>,
> John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >On 4/27/12 PDT 1:34 PM, Warren Oates wrote:
> >> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
> >> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> >>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> >>> CMD-backspace.
> >>>
> >>> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
> >>
> >> Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8
> >>
> >> That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.
> >
> >Yes, have missed that from time to time. It's Cmd-Delete, though, not
> >left arrow.
> >(We have no backspace button per se.)
>
> In 10.7.3, neither seemto do anything. Neither does CMD-Y.

You have to select an item in the Trash window before typing
Command-Delete.

You can also just type Command-Z (Edit > Undo) to undo your last trash.

[Brian Gordon]

In article <jollyroger-E3F47...@news.individual.net>,

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>In article <jnf8pv$q4a$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> bri...@panix.com (Brian Gordon) wrote:
>
>> In article <jnf84p$13s$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >On 4/27/12 PDT 1:34 PM, Warren Oates wrote:
>> >> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
>> >> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
>> >>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
>> >>> CMD-backspace.
>> >>>
>> >>> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
>> >>
>> >> Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8
>> >>
>> >> That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.
>> >
>> >Yes, have missed that from time to time. It's Cmd-Delete, though, not
>> >left arrow.
>> >(We have no backspace button per se.)
>>
>> In 10.7.3, neither seemto do anything. Neither does CMD-Y.
>
>You have to select an item in the Trash window before typing
>Command-Delete.
>

That's one of the things I tried. It didn't help :-(

[Jolly Roger]

In article <jnfdrd$r4p$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

bri...@panix.com (Brian Gordon) wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-E3F47...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >In article <jnf8pv$q4a$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> > bri...@panix.com (Brian Gordon) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <jnf84p$13s$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >On 4/27/12 PDT 1:34 PM, Warren Oates wrote:
> >> >> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
> >> >> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> >> >>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> >> >>> CMD-backspace.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
> >> >>
> >> >> Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8
> >> >>
> >> >> That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, have missed that from time to time. It's Cmd-Delete, though, not
> >> >left arrow.
> >> >(We have no backspace button per se.)
> >>
> >> In 10.7.3, neither seemto do anything. Neither does CMD-Y.
> >
> >You have to select an item in the Trash window before typing
> >Command-Delete.
> >
>
> That's one of the things I tried. It didn't help :-(

Somehow I suspect you're not doing it correctly. It works fine here, and
has one every Mac I've tried it on recently.

[dorayme]

In article <OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>

> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> CMD-backspace.
>
> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
>
> I checked on the web and that's: normal.
>
> I would have expected an error message (eg: "This is already deleted!").
>
> I guess it makes a sort of sense, just never expected it.

Command delete is how I often send things to file, so perhaps it is
neat or sensible that doing it again activates the Put Back command.

The Put Back command can be activated between folders that do not
include the Trash, the same key combo working. But only in the Trash,
I think, does the Put Back command actually appear in a context menu,
these context menus tend not to have key combo help.

--
dorayme

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-27-2012 19:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
>> CMD-backspace.
>
> You can also just choose the Finder Edit> Undo command or type
> Command-Z to restore the last file you moved, copied, or deleted.

For reasons unknown to me, sometimes that doesn't work.

--
Wes Groleau

“Would the prodigal have gone home if
the elder brother was running the farm?”
— James Jordan

[dorayme]

In article <dorayme-0994EA...@news.albasani.net>,

dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Command delete is how I often send things to file

to trash,

--
dorayme

[Alan Browne]

Maybe. As is, it is sort of a toggle.

You can drag selected files from trash into the "shredder" widget in
dashboard. I do this for some files for privacy reasons.

The trash, as many pointed out, is not a special storage area, it is a
recovery area that should regularly be purged. I usually clear it by
the end of the day.

[Alan Browne]

True, apple keyboards that key is delete.

I'm using a Logitech keyboard which is "PC"-ish with Apple enhancements
(CMD)

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-27 19:14 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
>> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
>> CMD-backspace.
>
> You can also just choose the Finder Edit> Undo command or type
> Command-Z to restore the last file you moved, copied, or deleted.

Sure. That's expected. The case stated was a surprise.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-27 22:46 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<4f9b02d6$0$1580$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com>,

> Warren Oates<warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash
>>> folder (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and
>>> hitting CMD-backspace.
>>>
>>> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
>>
>> Damn! It doesn't work in 10.5.8
>>
>> That would be like the old CMD-Y we used to have in the ol' days.
>

> Sorta;command-y also would put back any file dragged from a folder to the
> desktop.

In some (many) systems/apps CTRL-Z was "undo" and CTRL-Y was "re-do".
Depending on the system and/or app, ctrl-z was "stacked" and ctrl-y was
or was not stacked.

[Diane Van]

I read with interest about the "shredder" in dashboard. I didn't have
it, so I downloaded it and put it in dashboard.

I am kind of new to Mac and actually read these newsgroups for tips and
how to's. Always hoping to learn more - as a newbie to Apple so much
is cool, but so much is hidden.

So now I have the shredder in dashboard how can I drag a file to it?
My dashboard (which I use infrequently) is full screen so is either
open or closed.

MacBookPro OSX 10.7.3

by the way, command delete works for me in trash - moves the file to
the desktop.

Thanks

Diane

[Diane Van]

On 2012-04-28 16:33:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <2012042809164895170-DianeVan@somemailcom>,

> Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
>
>> by the way, command delete works for me in trash - moves the file to
>> the desktop.
>

> Only if the file had been moved to the trash from the Desktop; otherwise,
> it's moved back to the folder it was in before it was put in the trash.

Sure enough, it does.

[Barry Margolin]

In article <6qadnd3iOeHrawbS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-27 18:21 , Helpful Harry wrote:
> > In article<OfKdndcgUvu9YwfS...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> By some unusual sequence of events, I ended up opening the trash folder
> >> (rare occurrence), pointing at a file that was in there and hitting
> >> CMD-backspace.
> >>
> >> The file was restored (in this case to the desktop)!
> >>
> >> I checked on the web and that's: normal.
> >>
> >> I would have expected an error message (eg: "This is already deleted!").
> >>
> >> I guess it makes a sort of sense, just never expected it.
> >
> > It would would make more sense if it actually deleted the selected
> > file(s), since being in the Trash isn't really deleted ... which is a
> > missing feature someone else was looking for last week.
>
> Maybe. As is, it is sort of a toggle.
>
> You can drag selected files from trash into the "shredder" widget in
> dashboard. I do this for some files for privacy reasons.
>
> The trash, as many pointed out, is not a special storage area, it is a
> recovery area that should regularly be purged. I usually clear it by
> the end of the day.

I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
the drive, etc.

Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
it seems to work pretty reliably still.

--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

[Barry Margolin]

In article <2012042809363545465-DianeVan@somemailcom>,

Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 16:33:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>
> > In article <2012042809164895170-DianeVan@somemailcom>,
> > Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> by the way, command delete works for me in trash - moves the file to
> >> the desktop.
> >
> > Only if the file had been moved to the trash from the Desktop; otherwise,
> > it's moved back to the folder it was in before it was put in the trash.
>
> Sure enough, it does.

Isn't that what we've been discussing in the thread that spawned this?
Why are we rehashing it again?

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 12:16 , Diane Van wrote:
> I read with interest about the "shredder" in dashboard. I didn't have
> it, so I downloaded it and put it in dashboard.
>
> I am kind of new to Mac and actually read these newsgroups for tips and
> how to's. Always hoping to learn more - as a newbie to Apple so much is
> cool, but so much is hidden.

Yes. Be patient! There's a lot here:

http://www.macworld.com/howto.html

to help you get going (and several other solid sites).

>
> So now I have the shredder in dashboard how can I drag a file to it? My
> dashboard (which I use infrequently) is full screen so is either open or
> closed.

Welcome to Mac. I've been a Mac user for a little over 4 years. Best
personal computer choice I've made in decades.

Usually you will have set one of the "corners" of the desktop to perform
an action like moving all app windows out of the way so you can access
the desktop, or to tile all open apps and so on. ("Hot Corners" button
under "Mission Control" in System Prefs).

One of the settings is "Dashboard". In my case my lower right corner of
my screen is the "Hot Corner" for Dashboard. I point the cursor there
and the dashboard pops up. You of course can set up whatever hot corner
you like. There are also keyboard shortcuts and trackpad gestures that
effect the same thing.

After that's setup simply drag files to the corner, activating
dashboard, thence to the shredder widget. When it displays "This cannot
be undone" release the file and it begins shredding.

A note about shredder: it has three settings (Green, yellow, red).
Green simply writes over the file with 0's (or another symbol - I don't
recall). It is fast and adequate for most things. Yellow does several
passes with different symbols. Most sensitive data. Red does many
passes and more symbols. I don't recall if this is like
government/military levels, but it is for utmost paranoia. Esp. with
the high density disks today (500 GB and up), the red level is excess.

I use the green setting. There is nothing of great interest in what I
shred (personal or business documents, unusable photos) and no agency in
the world would profit by advanced reading techniques.

As to posting in newsgroups it is generally the practice to reply below
the prior posting, not on top. This is the practice of this NG.

[Alan Browne]

I'd go for that if I could flag files for wipe(s) (write over).

[Barry Margolin]

In article <v5OdnfJC-YkHvwHS...@giganews.com>,

It has a secure deletion option, but it's not per-file. You can set it
as a global option, and override it per-volume.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 13:10 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <v5OdnfJC-YkHvwHS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-28 12:56 , Barry Margolin wrote:
>>> I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
>>> periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
>>> control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
>>> the drive, etc.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
>>> it seems to work pretty reliably still.
>>
>> I'd go for that if I could flag files for wipe(s) (write over).
>
> It has a secure deletion option, but it's not per-file. You can set it
> as a global option, and override it per-volume.

That would be acceptable. I'll take a gander.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 12:56 , Barry Margolin wrote:

> I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
> periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
> control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
> the drive, etc.
>
> Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
> it seems to work pretty reliably still.

Under Lion?

[Diane Van]

Sorry about replying above. Thanks for the link and the information.
I'm off to play now to the detriment of my weekend chores.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <v5OdnfJC-YkHvwHS...@giganews.com>,

It's not automated, but I like the description of FileShredder:

<http://voidtech.net/apps/fileshredder/>

[Diane Van]

On 2012-04-28 16:57:50 +0000, Barry Margolin said:

> In article <2012042809363545465-DianeVan@somemailcom>,
> Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-28 16:33:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>>
>>> In article <2012042809164895170-DianeVan@somemailcom>,
>>> Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> by the way, command delete works for me in trash - moves the file to
>>>> the desktop.
>>>
>>> Only if the file had been moved to the trash from the Desktop; otherwise,
>>> it's moved back to the folder it was in before it was put in the trash.
>>
>> Sure enough, it does.
>
> Isn't that what we've been discussing in the thread that spawned this?
> Why are we rehashing it again?

For a dumb newbie who is trying to learn. Sorry to offend.

[David Ritz]

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On Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:16 -0700,
in article <2012042809164895170-DianeVan@somemailcom>,

Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:

> I read with interest about the "shredder" in dashboard. I didn't
> have it, so I downloaded it and put it in dashboard.

> I am kind of new to Mac and actually read these newsgroups for tips
> and how to's. Always hoping to learn more - as a newbie to Apple so
> much is cool, but so much is hidden.

> So now I have the shredder in dashboard how can I drag a file to it?
> My dashboard (which I use infrequently) is full screen so is either
> open or closed.

Diane,

In order to try to tackle your question, I downloaded, installed and
uninstalled Shredder.wdgt. While I'm an experienced Mac user, I'll be
damned, if I can figure out how to make this thing work.

If it is your intention to actually delete a file, rather than simply
removing its directory listing -- that is to make the file
unrecoverable -- there are a couple of options available to you.
Neither of these options require any additional software. Both are
provided as part of Mac OS X.

If you prefer using a GUI (Graphical User Interface), go to the Finder
and either select Finder:Preferences or use the keyboard short-cut,
'command-,'. Under the Advanced settings, you have to option of
checking 'Empty Trash securely'. Choosing this option will overwrite
any and all files in your Trash. IIRC, it will overwrite the file(s)
with random text characters 35 times, then zeros. One must be
extremely careful when using this setting, always remembering that
once a file is deleted in this manner, it cannot be recovered; it's
gone.

If you're comfortable using a CLI (Command Line Interface), launch
Terminal.app in your Utilities folder, and type, "man srm <RETURN>."
Note, this offers you a lot more control over what takes place, as
the file you want to shred is not required to be in the Trash. Here,
you also have the choice of how securely the file(s) are overwritten;
single pass, 7 US DoD compliant passes, or the default 35 passes.
(The fewer passes, the more quickly the operation will complete.)

Normally, I'll run:

srm -rvz <complete path(s) to file(s) or director(y|ies)>

The thing to remember, in all cases, is that once files are
overwritten in this manner, they cannot be recovered from the disk
upon which they previously existed.

- --
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 13:19 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <v5OdnfJC-YkHvwHS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-28 12:56 , Barry Margolin wrote:

>>> I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
>>> periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
>>> control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
>>> the drive, etc.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
>>> it seems to work pretty reliably still.
>>
>> I'd go for that if I could flag files for wipe(s) (write over).
>
> It's not automated, but I like the description of FileShredder:
>
> <http://voidtech.net/apps/fileshredder/>

I could spare $4 for that. I'll look into it.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.1...@mako.ath.cx>,

David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> If you're comfortable using a CLI (Command Line Interface), launch
> Terminal.app in your Utilities folder, and type, "man srm <RETURN>."
> Note, this offers you a lot more control over what takes place, as
> the file you want to shred is not required to be in the Trash. Here,
> you also have the choice of how securely the file(s) are overwritten;
> single pass, 7 US DoD compliant passes, or the default 35 passes.
> (The fewer passes, the more quickly the operation will complete.)
>
> Normally, I'll run:
>
> srm -rvz <complete path(s) to file(s) or director(y|ies)>

This is the method I most often use - which is why I haven't ever
bothered to purchase a utility to do it.

I like the ability to selectively securely delete files rather than
having to delete the entire contents of the trash securely, which often
takes quite a while for me, because I don't empty my trash often.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 13:26 , David Ritz wrote:

> In order to try to tackle your question, I downloaded, installed and
> uninstalled Shredder.wdgt. While I'm an experienced Mac user, I'll be

"Experienced"? And signs mundane usenet posts with PGP?

> damned, if I can figure out how to make this thing work.

"Experienced" but not enough to go to the developers website?

Drag the file(s) to the dashboard hot corner. Up pops the dashboard.
Drop the file on the shredder widget.

Options: tap on the widget to change the security level.

It was all self evident to me.

> If it is your intention to actually delete a file, rather than simply
> removing its directory listing -- that is to make the file
> unrecoverable -- there are a couple of options available to you.
> Neither of these options require any additional software. Both are
> provided as part of Mac OS X.
>
> If you prefer using a GUI (Graphical User Interface), go to the Finder
> and either select Finder:Preferences or use the keyboard short-cut,
> 'command-,'. Under the Advanced settings, you have to option of
> checking 'Empty Trash securely'. Choosing this option will overwrite
> any and all files in your Trash. IIRC, it will overwrite the file(s)
> with random text characters 35 times, then zeros.

35 times was developed for old disk drives with low density and to cover
three different physical write methods in use by various manufacturers.
Even Guttman says it's excessive for a given drive. (2/3 of the
passes are redundant for the particular drive under re-write! Serious
overkill).

It's esp. excessive with today's vertical write high density disk drives.

A 7 pass algo would now be sufficient for most very sensitive documents
(government/military) on 3.5" drives over 500 GB. To protect one's
personal data (credit card info and taxes and so on), a single pass is
more than enough. When discarding a drive (selling it used), maybe 7
pass is justified - but I just wipe to 0 then write random numbers to it
(2 passes).

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 13:36 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> Normally, I'll run:
>>
>> srm -rvz <complete path(s) to file(s) or director(y|ies)>
>
> This is the method I most often use - which is why I haven't ever
> bothered to purchase a utility to do it.
>
> I like the ability to selectively securely delete files rather than
> having to delete the entire contents of the trash securely, which often
> takes quite a while for me, because I don't empty my trash often.

Shredder widget. In fact I sometimes drag files there directly,
bypassing the trash.

CLI is fine for some and many some of the time, but for newbies like
Diane and people who don't like CLI much (me), a GUI is easier and
probably safer.

I just used srm in a test and it does seem fine.

[David Ritz]

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On Saturday, 28 April 2012 13:50 -0400,
in article <BJCdnZBjQpGfswHS...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 13:26, David Ritz wrote:

>> In order to try to tackle your question, I downloaded, installed
>> and uninstalled Shredder.wdgt. While I'm an experienced Mac user,
>> I'll be

> "Experienced"? And signs mundane usenet posts with PGP?

Indeed I do. I've done so, ever since being forged in better than
30,000 articles, within one twenty four hour period, in 1998. If it
bothers you, I'm easily killfiled, by From line or Message-ID.

I don't use Lauchpad, Mission Control or Dashboard frequently enough to
bother assigning a Hot Corner to any of them. After your initial
post, detailing the way _you_ drag a file into Dashboard, I found I
was able to do so using click-hold-F12. (click-hold-fn-F4 also works,
although it's a literal stretch.)

- --
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>

Videotron UDP Notice:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133564029600

Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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[Barry Margolin]

In article <ZI6dnW1TgKKEuwHS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 12:56 , Barry Margolin wrote:
>
> > I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
> > periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
> > control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
> > the drive, etc.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
> > it seems to work pretty reliably still.
>
> Under Lion?

No idea, I'm still running Snow Leopard.

It's a 32-bit preference pane, so when you try to open it you get that
annoying "System Preferences has to restart" pop-up.

[Barry Margolin]

In article <2012042810214966619-DianeVan@somemailcom>,

Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 16:57:50 +0000, Barry Margolin said:
>
> > In article <2012042809363545465-DianeVan@somemailcom>,
> > Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2012-04-28 16:33:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> >>
> >>> In article <2012042809164895170-DianeVan@somemailcom>,
> >>> Diane Van <Dian...@somemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> by the way, command delete works for me in trash - moves the file to
> >>>> the desktop.
> >>>
> >>> Only if the file had been moved to the trash from the Desktop; otherwise,
> >>> it's moved back to the folder it was in before it was put in the trash.
> >>
> >> Sure enough, it does.
> >
> > Isn't that what we've been discussing in the thread that spawned this?
> > Why are we rehashing it again?
>
> For a dumb newbie who is trying to learn. Sorry to offend.

Not offended, just surprised that you thought it was news. You were
replying to a thread with the following in the subject: "Cmd-Backspace
in trash puts the file back".

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 15:18 , David Ritz wrote:

>> "Experienced"? And signs mundane usenet posts with PGP?
>
> Indeed I do. I've done so, ever since being forged in better than
> 30,000 articles, within one twenty four hour period, in 1998. If it

And how many times since then? To put a point on it you're the only
signing poster I've seen in over 5 years.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 15:19 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <ZI6dnW1TgKKEuwHS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-28 12:56 , Barry Margolin wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a utility called Compost for many years. It
>>> periodically deletes things from the trash, with a number of options to
>>> control it -- how long they've been in there, how much free space is on
>>> the drive, etc.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the developer stopped updating it a few years ago. But
>>> it seems to work pretty reliably still.
>>
>> Under Lion?
>
> No idea, I'm still running Snow Leopard.

I'll wait 'til I hear of it running trouble free on Lion. I'll probably
buy the one JR mentioned.

>
> It's a 32-bit preference pane, so when you try to open it you get that
> annoying "System Preferences has to restart" pop-up.

Minor inconvenience.

[David Ritz]

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On Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:15 -0400,
in article <yIednXN7QfZk0gHS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 15:18 , David Ritz wrote:

>>> "Experienced"? And signs mundane usenet posts with PGP?

>> Indeed I do. I've done so, ever since being forged in better than
>> 30,000 articles, within one twenty four hour period, in 1998. If

>> it [...]

> And how many times since then?

Enough times, that I have no intention of changing the practice of
cryptographically signing my outbound messages, whether to Usenet or
in email.

> To put a point on it you're the only signing poster I've seen in
> over 5 years.

Obviously, you and I follow different newsgroups. I haven't seen
another Usenet post, other than my own, which was signed, since last
Wednesday, 25 April 2012.

<news:cone.1335356993....@monster.email-scan.com>
(<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133565838900>)

Now may we give it a rest, please?

- --
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>

"Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it."
- Mark Twain (1835-1910)

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[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-28 20:30 , David Ritz wrote:

> Obviously, you and I follow different newsgroups. I haven't seen
> another Usenet post, other than my own, which was signed, since last
> Wednesday, 25 April 2012.
>
> <news:cone.1335356993....@monster.email-scan.com>
> (<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133565838900>)

Like that drool counts for anything.

>
> Now may we give it a rest, please?

No. It's neurotic silly. Tinfoil hat paranoid. Messy.

[Buster Friendly]

In article <mbKdneOm6OB9qwDS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 20:30 , David Ritz wrote:
>
> > Obviously, you and I follow different newsgroups. I haven't seen
> > another Usenet post, other than my own, which was signed, since last
> > Wednesday, 25 April 2012.
> >
> > <news:cone.1335356993....@monster.email-scan.com>
> > (<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133565838900>)
>
> Like that drool counts for anything.

Yeah, really. Howard Knight? Talk about drool.

>
> >
> > Now may we give it a rest, please?
>
> No. It's neurotic silly. Tinfoil hat paranoid. Messy.

The only place it makes sense is in APAS, and like that, where the
remailer operators post with PGP signatures to prove that it's really
them making changes or announcements, so that the users know that it's
not some frogger causing trouble.

On the other hand, the longest running (afaik) and most reliable
remailer is run by a Dutch gentleman who has never used a PGP signature
in all the years he's been posting. So there.

And while we're posting drool:

http://davidritz.net/

dunno if it's the same David Ritz.
--
Too much kipple.

[Jolly Roger]

In article <mbKdneOm6OB9qwDS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-28 20:30 , David Ritz wrote:
>
> > Obviously, you and I follow different newsgroups. I haven't seen
> > another Usenet post, other than my own, which was signed, since last
> > Wednesday, 25 April 2012.
> >
> > <news:cone.1335356993....@monster.email-scan.com>
> > (<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133565838900>)
>
> Like that drool counts for anything.
>
> >
> > Now may we give it a rest, please?
>
> No. It's neurotic silly. Tinfoil hat paranoid. Messy.

I have to say, I don't quite understand why anyone cares either way.
Usenet signatures are a dime a dozen, and often are lengthy. It seems
like a complete waste of time to get into an argument about such a
thing. Who cares?

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-29 11:58 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <mbKdneOm6OB9qwDS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-28 20:30 , David Ritz wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously, you and I follow different newsgroups. I haven't seen
>>> another Usenet post, other than my own, which was signed, since last
>>> Wednesday, 25 April 2012.
>>>
>>> <news:cone.1335356993....@monster.email-scan.com>
>>> (<http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=133565838900>)
>>
>> Like that drool counts for anything.
>>
>>>
>>> Now may we give it a rest, please?
>>
>> No. It's neurotic silly. Tinfoil hat paranoid. Messy.
>
> I have to say, I don't quite understand why anyone cares either way.
> Usenet signatures are a dime a dozen, and often are lengthy. It seems
> like a complete waste of time to get into an argument about such a
> thing. Who cares?

I don't. Just picking on litter bugs. I plonked him anyway.