Dropping Usenet Access
Meerkat1
I hope this does not occur or affect anyone posting here.
"New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced on Tuesday that
Verizon Communications, Time Warner Cable, and Sprint would "shut down
major sources of online child pornography."
What Cuomo didn't say is that his agreement with broadband providers
means that they will broadly curb customers' access to Usenet--the
venerable pre-Web home of some 100,000 discussion groups, only a handful
of which contain illegal material."
meerkat1
Rudeney
This does not surprise me at all. Everyone wants their elected
officials to be tough on crime. That is, until we wake up and realize
that they are just taking the easy way out by penalizing everyone rather
than going after the handful of criminals that will fidn a way to keep
doing what they do.
For those that lose their Usenet access, just remember that
www.motzarella.org offers *free* access. I know I mention this a lot,
but I really have no affiliation at all with this company - I just
stumbled across them and found that the service works to get to RADP.
--
- RODNEY
Next WDW Vacation?
Who knows...
Steve Russo
> Meerkat1 wrote:
> > Quoted from news.cnet.com
>
> > I hope this does not occur or affect anyone posting here.
>
> > "New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced on Tuesday that
> > Verizon Communications, Time Warner Cable, and Sprint would "shut down
> > major sources of online child pornography."
>
> > What Cuomo didn't say is that his agreement with broadband providers
> > means that they will broadly curb customers' access to Usenet--the
> > venerable pre-Web home of some 100,000 discussion groups, only a handful
> > of which contain illegal material."
>
> This does not surprise me at all. Everyone wants their elected
> officials to be tough on crime. That is, until we wake up and realize
> that they are just taking the easy way out by penalizing everyone rather
> than going after the handful of criminals that will fidn a way to keep
> doing what they do.
>
> but I really have no affiliation at all with this company - I just
> stumbled across them and found that the service works to get to RADP.
>
> --
>
> - RODNEY
>
> Next WDW Vacation?
> Who knows...
I use Time Warner so I will be affected by this, however, from what
I've read (and heard) so far, they will only be shutting down access
to those news groups established as offensive from a child pornography
standpoint. They have some software that, supposedly, performs a pixel
by pixel analysis to identify porn. I have not seen anything on how it
works nor what its expected accuracy has been or will be.
Warren Oates
Rudeney <rud...@mickeypics.com> wrote:
> For those that lose their Usenet access, just remember that
> www.motzarella.org offers *free* access. I know I mention this a lot,
> but I really have no affiliation at all with this company - I just
> stumbled across them and found that the service works to get to RADP.
news.mixmin.net is free, but no binaries. You need ssl to post.
Astraweb can be 'almost' free if you don't use it for binaries. It's
cheap even if you do.
--
W. Oates
tacit
<bc776f8f-872e-418f...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> I use Time Warner so I will be affected by this, however, from what
> I've read (and heard) so far, they will only be shutting down access
> to those news groups established as offensive from a child pornography
> standpoint.
Reread the CNET article. Time Warner will no longer be hosting any
newsgroups whatsoever. If you're a TW user, time to find another Usenet
provider (or better yet, drop Time Warner).
--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at
http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
Steve Russo
> In article
> <bc776f8f-872e-418f-a0bb-0397accbd...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Well, it's happened. As of today, Time Warner is not supporting new
group access at all. I'm guessing it was a money saving move on their
part - made convenient by Andrew Cuomo's investigations. I can use
Google (eh). I'll give Motzarella a try. Any other suggestions?
Steve Fenwick
<7731f331-da86-4d2c...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 6:58 pm, tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bc776f8f-872e-418f-a0bb-0397accbd...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> > Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I use Time Warner so I will be affected by this, however, from what
> > > I've read (and heard) so far, they will only be shutting down access
> > > to those news groups established as offensive from a child pornography
> > > standpoint.
> >
> > Reread the CNET article. Time Warner will no longer be hosting any
> > newsgroups whatsoever. If you're a TW user, time to find another Usenet
> > provider (or better yet, drop Time Warner).
> >
> > --
> > Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all
> > athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
>
> Well, it's happened. As of today, Time Warner is not supporting new
> group access at all. I'm guessing it was a money saving move on their
> part - made convenient by Andrew Cuomo's investigations. I can use
> Google (eh). I'll give Motzarella a try. Any other suggestions?
teranews.com. $3.95 one-time registration, no monthly fees.
Steve
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Steve Russo
"Steve Fenwick" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:nospam-544870....@blackdragon.nntpserver.com...
> In article
> <7731f331-da86-4d2c...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 12, 6:58 pm, tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <bc776f8f-872e-418f-a0bb-0397accbd...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I use Time Warner so I will be affected by this, however, from what
>> > > I've read (and heard) so far, they will only be shutting down access
>> > > to those news groups established as offensive from a child
>> > > pornography
>> > > standpoint.
>> >
>> > Reread the CNET article. Time Warner will no longer be hosting any
>> > newsgroups whatsoever. If you're a TW user, time to find another
>> > Usenet
>> > provider (or better yet, drop Time Warner).
>> >
>> > --
>> > Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all
>> > athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
>>
>> Well, it's happened. As of today, Time Warner is not supporting new
>> group access at all. I'm guessing it was a money saving move on their
>> part - made convenient by Andrew Cuomo's investigations. I can use
>> Google (eh). I'll give Motzarella a try. Any other suggestions?
>
> teranews.com. $3.95 one-time registration, no monthly fees.
>
it within Windows (Vista) Mail, so it's also seamless. So far, so good.
Gloria in Miami
recommend it highly.
Gloria in Miami
"Steve Russo" <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7731f331-da86-4d2c...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Jolly Roger
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> If TW is blocking the news ports 119, 443, and 563, how can they use
> Motzarella, teranews or _any_ non-web-based news service?
What makes you think Time Warner is blocking those ports?
If Time Warner were blocking those ports, I'm sure they'd be blocking
*inbound* traffic (that is, traffic coming from the net to Time Warner
customers computers). News clients would still be able to communicate
over those ports through outbound connections.
(And WTF is rec.arts.disney.parks in the Newsgroups header? I've
removed it from my reply.)
--
Please send all responses to the relevant news group rather than directly
to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry
SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups.
You'll need to use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts.
JR
Steve Fenwick
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <nospam-544870....@blackdragon.nntpserver.com>,
> Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <7731f331-da86-4d2c...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 12, 6:58 pm, tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <bc776f8f-872e-418f-a0bb-0397accbd...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I use Time Warner so I will be affected by this, however, from what
> > > > > I've read (and heard) so far, they will only be shutting down access
> > > > > to those news groups established as offensive from a child pornography
> > > > > standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > Reread the CNET article. Time Warner will no longer be hosting any
> > > > newsgroups whatsoever. If you're a TW user, time to find another Usenet
> > > > provider (or better yet, drop Time Warner).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all
> > > > athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
> > >
> > > Well, it's happened. As of today, Time Warner is not supporting new
> > > group access at all. I'm guessing it was a money saving move on their
> > > part - made convenient by Andrew Cuomo's investigations. I can use
> > > Google (eh). I'll give Motzarella a try. Any other suggestions?
> >
> > teranews.com. $3.95 one-time registration, no monthly fees.
> >
> > Steve
>
> If TW is blocking the news ports 119, 443, and 563, how can they use
> Motzarella, teranews or _any_ non-web-based news service?
It's not clear (to me) that they are blocking those ports, just turning
off their own servers.
Steve Russo
"Steve Fenwick" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
Bingo! Motzarella is working fine via Port 119.
Robert Tomsick
> I've been using Motzarella.org for about 6 months now without a
> problem. I recommend it highly.
>
> Gloria in Miami
Seconded. It's fast, free, and has decent retention for the non-binary groups.
Fred Moore
<7731f331-da86-4d2c...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Russo <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Well, it's happened. As of today, Time Warner is not supporting new
> group access at all. I'm guessing it was a money saving move on their
> part - made convenient by Andrew Cuomo's investigations. I can use
> Google (eh). I'll give Motzarella a try. Any other suggestions?
I posted the following to comp.sys.mac.comm before I saw your post here,
Steve, so I'll repeat what I said there since it seems on topic:
Subject: Free UseNet: Aioe seems a good alternative
Time Warner-RoadRunner has made good on its threat to discontinue
UseNet. While they are wrapping themselves in Mom, The Flag, and Apple
Pie by claiming to be fighting kiddy porn, they are actually just
exercising their monopoly power to limit free speech by discontinuing
what is a cost sink rather than a profit source for them.
'Due to the combination of low subscriber usage and Acceptable Use
Policy issues, Road Runner has decided to discontinue Newsgroups service
as of June 23, 2008.'
My first inclination is to find an alternative provider for both
broadband and TV which TW-RR is currently supplying me. However, the
more I investigate, the more it's plain that both products are
thoroughly monopolized. So my decision for the moment is to stick with
the devil I know rather than switch.
But there is GOOD NEWS! After reading the previous discussions about
alternative UseNet sources, I'm trying out Aioe. It's free and so far
(just a few day's experience) it seems quite acceptable. It has a few
limits on the number of connections and it doesn't carry binary groups,
but neither of those restrictions hinder me.
The main site is: <http://www.aioe.org/>
The news server is: nntp.aioe.org/
--Fred
--
Andrew Cuomo is an IGNORANT IDIOT!
Rudeney
>
> Actually... Motzarella seemed pretty painless and I was able to configure
> it within Windows (Vista) Mail, so it's also seamless. So far, so good.
OMG! You're using Vista? I am surprised your PC stays up long enough
for you to get one post in! :-P
Steve Russo
> Steve Russo wrote:
>
> > Actually... Motzarella seemed pretty painless and I was able to configure
> > it within Windows (Vista) Mail, so it's also seamless. So far, so good.
>
> OMG! You're using Vista? I am surprised your PC stays up long enough
> for you to get one post in! :-P
>
I know... I've been using it for 6 or 8 months now. I'm lucky if it
stays up for 15 minutes per day. It took me 3 weeks to write the
Planning portion of my last trip report (and if *that* isn't a
straight line...).
Rudeney
> On Jun 24, 2:04 pm, Rudeney <rude...@mickeypics.com> wrote:
>> Steve Russo wrote:
>>
>>> Actually... Motzarella seemed pretty painless and I was able to configure
>>> it within Windows (Vista) Mail, so it's also seamless. So far, so good.
>> OMG! You're using Vista? I am surprised your PC stays up long enough
>> for you to get one post in! :-P
>>
>
> I know... I've been using it for 6 or 8 months now. I'm lucky if it
> stays up for 15 minutes per day.
I had my first "Vista" problem this week. Actually, I'm not sure if
it's Vista or Server 2008, but somehow I can no longer login to my
laptop with my domain account. I tried rebooting to fix it, but no
luck. Ironically, this was the first reboot in over 6 months (other
than automatic reboots after applying updates).
> It took me 3 weeks to write the
> Planning portion of my last trip report (and if *that* isn't a
> straight line...).
Oh, blame it on Vista...how con-VEEEEN-ient!
Steve Russo
news:g3rk5j$4t4$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> Steve Russo wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 2:04 pm, Rudeney <rude...@mickeypics.com> wrote:
>>> Steve Russo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually... Motzarella seemed pretty painless and I was able to
>>>> configure
>>>> it within Windows (Vista) Mail, so it's also seamless. So far, so
>>>> good.
>>> OMG! You're using Vista? I am surprised your PC stays up long enough
>>> for you to get one post in! :-P
>>>
>>
>> I know... I've been using it for 6 or 8 months now. I'm lucky if it
>> stays up for 15 minutes per day.
>
> I had my first "Vista" problem this week. Actually, I'm not sure if it's
> Vista or Server 2008, but somehow I can no longer login to my laptop with
> my domain account. I tried rebooting to fix it, but no luck.
> Ironically, this was the first reboot in over 6 months (other than
> automatic reboots after applying updates).
>
printers (the all-in-one scan-fax-etc. one). Once that was taken care of,
it's been fairly smooth except for an ongoing issue where I can't maintain
file type associations. It's a pain and I need to devote some time to
fixing it. I was hoping SP1 would do that but no luck.
>> It took me 3 weeks to write the
>> Planning portion of my last trip report (and if *that* isn't a
>> straight line...).
>
> Oh, blame it on Vista...how con-VEEEEN-ient!
>
I just keep lobbing 'em in and you knock 'em out of the park.
Ed
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/06/22/reset-and-fix-broken-windows-vista-file-ext-and-type-associations-include-exe-com-sys-zip-lnk-folder-drive/
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Steve Fenwick
"Steve Russo" <sru...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
I just switched to them--much better responsiveness than TeraNews.
Thanks for the recommendation!
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