New HP 850C (versa Epson Stylus Color)
Michael Schieber
Text/pictures/monochrome/color ?
Thank you for replying !
Lloyd Blander
Thanks,
Lloyd Blander
E-Mail: lloyd_...@babylon.montreal.qc.ca
Axel Vetter
In article <3pqbe4$14...@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, Michael Schieber
writes:
>Has somebody seen pictures from the HP850. What is the quality like ?
>Text/pictures/monochrome/color ?
There has been a test HP 850 vs. Epson Stylus Color in the June issue of a
PC magazine I found in a shop but don't remember the name. Though the Epson
could print finer lines, the HP was faster and the results were slightly
better, especially the edges and saturation. The biggest advantage
concerning costs is that the new HP ink also gives good results on ordinary
copy paper.
K. Brent Church
a...@orion7.ruhr.de wrote:
>
> There has been a test HP 850 vs. Epson Stylus Color in the June issue of a
> PC magazine I found in a shop but don't remember the name. Though the Epson
> could print finer lines, the HP was faster and the results were slightly
> better, especially the edges and saturation. The biggest advantage
> concerning costs is that the new HP ink also gives good results on ordinary
> copy paper.
Will this new HP Ink be used in a 560c like I have? I can't imagine the
ink not usable even if they changed the print head for the new HP's. If
so, do you know how HP will let you know of the new ink?
Thanks
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Lloyd Blander
knows of a HP 850c printer.
Thanks,
Lloyd Blander
Jie Yuan
Lloyd_...@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Lloyd Blander) writes:
> Would you mind telling me what country you are in because in Canada, no one
> knows of a HP 850c printer.
Good question! I am in the USA and I have not heard of 850c either.
What is the equivalent model name in the USA? 660c?
There is an article saying the PC Mag. has made a comparison. Which
PC Mag.?
Is the 850c compatible with Mac?
Jie
Michael Schieber
b/w-printing (4 to 5 pages per minute) and better than the Epson Stylus Color
(1 page per minute at a mac) in textquality with copypaper. With the expensive
papers for inkjet-printers their are equal.
The foto and graphic quality in color is not as good as the Epson quality.
But I had problems with the Epson driver.
The Epson is cheaper (at the time), but in practise (speed and b/w-quality with
normal paper) not as good as the HP. If you have to buy the expensive paper all
the time, the price for the Epson isn't as cheap as it seems...
The costs per page are though they are very little with the Epson more than
those with the HP850C .
If you're printing mainly in color on inkjet paper to get high quality, the
quality is important for you and the time you wait is not important then the
Epson might be the right choice for the Mac.
Otherwise with mainly printing b/w the HP850C is the better choice I think.
I've got to test the color quality of my 850C a bit more and then I can say
more about it...
Michael Schieber
Howard Lee
Lloyd Blander <Lloyd_...@babylon.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
>Would you mind telling me what country you are in because in Canada, no one
>knows of a HP 850c printer.
According to HP, the 850c is currently available only in Europe, see excerpt
from spec sheet below. What I'd like to know is the relative price of the
850c in comparison with the 660c and 1200c. Can some one in Europe post
this. Local currency and either list or street price, doesn't matter.
Thanks
Howard Lee
>HP DESKJET 850C PRINTER: PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS
>
>
>MODEL NUMBERS
>
> DESCRIPTION MODEL NUMBER
>
> HP DeskJet 850C Printer C2145A
>
> NOTE: The HP DeskJet 850C printer is available
> only in Europe.
Jie Yuan
<schi...@mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:
> I'm in Germany, I bought the HP850C for ca.900 US-Dollars. It's very
Price wise, ESC costs $496 2 months ago at local CompUSA store in Cincinnati,
OH, USA.
Jie
Axel Vetter
In article <3qka15$2...@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, Jie Yuan writes:
>> Would you mind telling me what country you are in because in Canada, no
>> one knows of a HP 850c printer.
I live in Germany.
>Good question! I am in the USA and I have not heard of 850c either.
>What is the equivalent model name in the USA? 660c?
No. The 850c expands the line of HP's ink jet printers. Now there are...
- DeskJet 540, black and white entry model, colour kit optional, uses
either b/w or colour cartridge, DeskWriter available for
Macs
- DeskJet 660c, colour model, uses both cartridges simultaneously,
DeskWriter available
- DeskJet 850c, colour model, uses both cartridges simultaneously, has new
ink and new cartridges, faster than 660c, no DeskWriter
required as it features both Local Talk and Centronics
ports
- DeskJet 1200c, top colour model for professional use, uses special
cartridges (maybe separate ones for each colour, I'm not
sure), no DeskWriter required as it features both Local
Talk and Centronics ports (I'm not sure again)
>There is an article saying the PC Mag. has made a comparison. Which
>PC Mag.?
A German one. I don't remember the name as I read the test in a shop.
>Is the 850c compatible with Mac?
Yes, it's the opponent of the Epson Stylus Color.and has the same features
except it's 600 * 600 dpi instead of Epson's 720 * 720 dpi.
Jie Yuan
writes:
.... much deleted for brevity ...
> - DeskJet 850c, colour model, uses both cartridges simultaneously, has new
> ink and new cartridges, faster than 660c, no DeskWriter
> required as it features both Local Talk and Centronics
> ports
> Yes, it's the opponent of the Epson Stylus Color.and has the same features
> except it's 600 * 600 dpi instead of Epson's 720 * 720 dpi.
I guess there is not a comparable model in the USA yet. The 560c is a
600x300 dpi color, 600x600 dpi mono, printer.
It is odd why HP would do this kine of thing! Is the 850c developed and
made in Germany?
One more question: a coupld of hour after a page is printed, does the
ink still smear if you wipe it with a wet towl/finger/object? All
the HP inkjets I have seen (560c, 1200c, in particular) use inks that
smear under the above conditions, well, even months after printing.
The printouts from Epson does not smear after a few hours.
Jie
Craig L. Stevenson
Yuan) wrote:
>> One more question: a coupld of hour after a page is printed, does the
>> ink still smear if you wipe it with a wet towl/finger/object? All
>> the HP inkjets I have seen (560c, 1200c, in particular) use inks that
>> smear under the above conditions, well, even months after printing.
Water soluble ink. Just like the paint. If you want to water-proof a
printed document, just apply a thin coat of shellac :)
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]
]
] - DeskJet 540, black and white entry model, colour kit optional, uses
] either b/w or colour cartridge, DeskWriter available for
] Macs
]
] DeskWriter available
]
] - DeskJet 850c, colour model, uses both cartridges simultaneously, has new
] ink and new cartridges, faster than 660c, no DeskWriter
] required as it features both Local Talk and Centronics
] ports
For newcomers to this thread, the 850c is available only in Europe.
] - DeskJet 1200c, top colour model for professional use, uses special
] cartridges (maybe separate ones for each colour, I'm not
] sure), no DeskWriter required as it features both Local
] Talk and Centronics ports (I'm not sure again)
This isn't quite right about the 1200c. The "1200c/ps" has LocalTalk, but
the non-ps "1200c" does not.
] >Is the 850c compatible with Mac?
]
] Yes, it's the opponent of the Epson Stylus Color.and has the same features
] except it's 600 * 600 dpi instead of Epson's 720 * 720 dpi.
What about that new Canon inkjet that does 720dpi color for less than US$400?
Is it mac-compatible? Will Apple come out with their own version of it? Why
is it so flat and thin (it looks kind of like the portable StyleWriter)?
brian
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Axel Vetter
In article <3qpt5q$d...@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, Jie Yuan writes:
>I guess there is not a comparable model in the USA yet. The 560c is a
>600x300 dpi color, 600x600 dpi mono, printer.
>
>It is odd why HP would do this kind of thing! Is the 850c developed and
>made in Germany?
No, I don't think so.
>One more question: a coupld of hour after a page is printed, does the
>ink still smear if you wipe it with a wet towl/finger/object? All
>the HP inkjets I have seen (560c, 1200c, in particular) use inks that
>smear under the above conditions, well, even months after printing.
>
>The printouts from Epson does not smear after a few hours.
The new ink works as follows: In a quick evaporable solution swim particles
of paint. They aren't soluble. When the ink is sprayed onto the paper using
the bubble jet method HP always used to use, the particles lie down on the
paper and the solution (alcohol?) disappears quickly. The advantage is that
the ink doesn't bleed (especially important on ordinary copy paper) and
that's why the print is sharper.
I suppose that the particles don't come off the paper if they get wet, but
haven't tested that.
Jie Yuan
(Craig L. Stevenson) writes:
> Water soluble ink. Just like the paint. If you want to water-proof a
> printed document, just apply a thin coat of shellac :)
Not so simple.
There are solutions to the water-proof matter. There are polymers that can
cross-link upon exposure to UV, or some other stimulation. With proper
formulation, one can make a water based ink waterproof. Think about the water
based paints as an example, it you would.
Cheers!
Jie
Hubert van Dongen
>In article <3qpt5q$d...@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, Jie Yuan writes:
>>I guess there is not a comparable model in the USA yet. The 560c is a
>>600x300 dpi color, 600x600 dpi mono, printer.
>>
>>It is odd why HP would do this kind of thing! Is the 850c developed and
>>made in Germany?
>No, I don't think so.
All small size HP machines are manufactured in the US, as far
as I know.
>>One more question: a coupld of hour after a page is printed, does the
>>ink still smear if you wipe it with a wet towl/finger/object? All
>>the HP inkjets I have seen (560c, 1200c, in particular) use inks that
>>smear under the above conditions, well, even months after printing.
>>
>>The printouts from Epson does not smear after a few hours.
>The new ink works as follows: In a quick evaporable solution swim particles
>of paint. They aren't soluble. When the ink is sprayed onto the paper using
>the bubble jet method HP always used to use, the particles lie down on the
>paper and the solution (alcohol?) disappears quickly. The advantage is that
>the ink doesn't bleed (especially important on ordinary copy paper) and
>that's why the print is sharper.
>I suppose that the particles don't come off the paper if they get wet, but
>haven't tested that.
All HP printers I know use inks that consist mainly of water. Consequence is
that the ink dye is soluble in water and smears when wetted, even after years.
The 1200C, 660C, 850C and 1600C use pigmented black inks. This means that the
black inks consists of dispersions of black particles in (mainly) water. When
wetted afterwards, it is virtually impossible to disperse these ink particles
agian, so the ink doesn't smear.
I do not know exactly why the Epson inks don't smear, it might have to do that
their inks use a much higher ratio of real solvents instead of water.
Hubert van Dongen
"Het kan verkeren...."
Jie Yuan
> All HP printers I know use inks that consist mainly of water. Consequence is
> that the ink dye is soluble in water and smears when wetted, even after years.
> The 1200C, 660C, 850C and 1600C use pigmented black inks. This means that the
> black inks consists of dispersions of black particles in (mainly) water. When
> wetted afterwards, it is virtually impossible to disperse these ink particles
> agian, so the ink doesn't smear.
> I do not know exactly why the Epson inks don't smear, it might have to do that
> their inks use a much higher ratio of real solvents instead of water.
All inks should have some adhesives in addition to the color particles, if any.
I don't have proof, but I remember hearing that the inkjet inks don't contain
particles. HP inks are no exception. Inkjet inks contain dyes, meaning they
stain the paper fiber. Dyes are organic compounds that dissolve in the solution
so that there is no solid particles in the ink. After drying, the dyes can
appear to be solid particles. They have to be water based these days to make
the inks environment friendly and be able stay wed during storage. Organic
solvents evaporate too easily that long term storage of ink cartridges can be
very difficult if they contain too much organic solvents. Water does not
evaporate as easily.
To make the ink permanent, like paints, there must be some adhesives that change
states after printing. Most notablly are those organic (polymer) compounds that
can cross-link after drying or exposure to light, which is exactly what the
water based paints do. It is not only not difficult, it is rather easy to do.
Jie
John Wilkins
clst...@mcs.com (Craig L. Stevenson) wrote:
: In article <3qpt5q$d...@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, yu...@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie
: Yuan) wrote:
:
: >> One more question: a coupld of hour after a page is printed, does the
: >> ink still smear if you wipe it with a wet towl/finger/object? All
: >> the HP inkjets I have seen (560c, 1200c, in particular) use inks that
: >> smear under the above conditions, well, even months after printing.
:
: Water soluble ink. Just like the paint. If you want to water-proof a
: printed document, just apply a thin coat of shellac :)
:
Or use a spray varnish such as you can get in any art supplies store.
That, BTW, is a serious comment.
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Yoram Ney
Cole) wrote:
>What about that new Canon inkjet that does 720dpi color for less than US$400?
>Is it mac-compatible? Will Apple come out with their own version of it? Why
>is it so flat and thin (it looks kind of like the portable StyleWriter)?
>
>
>brian
The Color StyleWriter 2400/B is said to be out already. Looks exactly like
the original 2400, but has 720x360 and 5ppm in B & W.
It's portable version is Color StyleWriter 2200, which I guess is the
Cannon model you mention only in an Apple enclosure (like the entire
StyleWriter line).
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