OT: Web Hosting

[John Varela]

My web site is hosted on MobileMe, which is going away soon, so I
need to find a new web host.

Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set up
from a Mac?

--
John Varela

[dorayme]

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DWPhj0y1i7nd@localhost>,

http://www.crazydomains.com.au/

is cheap and seems reliable, there is no problem with Macs.

--
dorayme

[Davoud]

John Varela:

hostway.com, located in Chicago. Serious people, not a fly-by-night or
amateur outfit. Using it has nothing to do with the Mac or Linux or
Windows; you author your pages and upload them via FTP to the address
they provide. I've been using Hostway for five sites for 10 years
without any downtime that I know of. That means that I have never
detected downtime and none has been reported to me by would-be
visitors.

--
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you will say in your entire life.

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[Patty Winter]

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DWPhj0y1i7nd@localhost>,
John Varela <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>

>Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set up
>from a Mac?

I'm not sure what you mean about setting up hosting from a Mac.
The hosting company does the setup.

If you mean creating and uploading a website, whatever software
you use to creat the site should also be able to upload it over
an FTP or other connection.

My ISP, Sonic.net, is a great company. I hand-code my website,
but they provide Wordpress installations, I think free to anyone
with a hosting account.


Patty

[Fred Moore]

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DWPhj0y1i7nd@localhost>,
"John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:

There was a good discussion on Macintouch last January which might be
useful to you:
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/internetservices/topic4401.html#
d16jan2012>


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

[PhillipJones]

I use LunarPages The are not free and not necessarily the cheapest But
work well with Macs and they have excellent service and you can have
mailboxes and get email. lunarpages.com

[dorayme]

In article <jmc89s$ku8$1...@news.albasani.net>,

PhillipJones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> I use LunarPages The are not free and not necessarily the cheapest But
> work well with Macs

I have a friend who uses Linux variation and made a big point of
getting a friendly ISP. I think I understand why folks might want
their ISP to know their OS in case of troubleshooting. Perhaps there
are similar special reasons for a Mac user to find a Mac friendly
host?

My experience is that most of them know bugger all, and that is fine
by me as long as I host on a Unix server and have access to a C panel,
and they support a decent version of PHP, allow FTP, etc, all not
particularly Mac things.

--
dorayme

[PhillipJones]

Lunar Pages host two ways for Mac they use Unix/Linux Server but use
c-Panel
For PC Folk They can use the latest version Windows Server. And use
things like Windows .net

They support net, .PHP, .asp, .aspx, .HTM/HTML , JavaScript Most all
interenet standards.

The will even handle domain registration and will bill you for
registration once yearly as a courtesy. It a pretty good onestop does
all deal.

I use Interarchy to upload files.

As said previously you can have email address mailboxs.

[Davoud]

PhillipJones:

> Lunar Pages host two ways for Mac they use Unix/Linux Server but use
> c-Panel
> For PC Folk They can use the latest version Windows Server. And use
> things like Windows .net

?? Whether one hosts on Linux or Windows is a matter of personal
choice. It has nothing to do with whether the html was coded on an
Apple II or a Mac or an Osborne I.

[PhillipJones]

Davoud wrote:
> PhillipJones:
>> Lunar Pages host two ways for Mac they use Unix/Linux Server but use
>> c-Panel
>> For PC Folk They can use the latest version Windows Server. And use
>> things like Windows .net
>
> ?? Whether one hosts on Linux or Windows is a matter of personal
> choice. It has nothing to do with whether the html was coded on an
> Apple II or a Mac or an Osborne I.
>

Yes but there are some things such as NET that only available on Windows
Server.
But the bringing up of them using windows Server and UNIX/Linux. Was
topint out they are set up to accommodate all websites regardless of
platform.

[dorayme]

In article <jmd1k1$8in$1...@news.albasani.net>,

PhillipJones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article<jmc89s$ku8$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use LunarPages The are not free and not necessarily the cheapest But
> >> work well with Macs
> >
> > I have a friend who uses Linux variation and made a big point of
> > getting a friendly ISP. I think I understand why folks might want
> > their ISP to know their OS in case of troubleshooting. Perhaps there
> > are similar special reasons for a Mac user to find a Mac friendly
> > host?
> >
> > My experience is that most of them know bugger all, and that is fine
> > by me as long as I host on a Unix server and have access to a C panel,
> > and they support a decent version of PHP, allow FTP, etc, all not
> > particularly Mac things.
> >
>
> Lunar Pages host two ways for Mac they use Unix/Linux Server but use
> c-Panel
> For PC Folk They can use the latest version Windows Server. And use
> things like Windows .net

One long standing site I had was on a Windoze platform, I now recall,
it was a little different for a few things but easily enough used from
my Macs. For most things I ever did, it was the same. I recall having
to use, instead of stuff like

<?php include ($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'].'/includes/nav.inc'); ?>

I would use

<? include "e:\canfong\esvc00975\includes\nav.inc"; ?>

and run into pesky problems of some \ acting as escape characters
which were fixable by doubling up the \.

But I had no choice in the server on that one. I think some folks like
Windoze servers because they support things like FrontPage (God help
us).

--
dorayme

[User Bp]

In comp.sys.mac.apps dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> But I had no choice in the server on that one. I think some folks like
> Windoze servers because they support things like FrontPage (God help
> us).

I take it you do not want to run a website from your own Mac? AT&T
is fairly liberal regarding websites on DSL clients and offers static
IP addresses. They'll also register domain names at no extra cost.

bob prohaska
>

[dorayme]

In article <jmdjgi$r8q$1...@news.albasani.net>,

That is true, I don't when hosting is so cheap and maintenance of the
host server is thankfully not my responsibility. Of course, I have my
own server to be able to develop stuff offline but that is different.

I have been on cable for the last year but will be reverting to DSL
soon when I have to make another move. I will miss the fast download
speeds but not the really slow uploads I now have.

Uploads were really respectable on DSL last time I was on it, I like
fast uploads, I seem to upload more than I download. Oh well, I try to
console myself with that downloads are for the youth of the world, the
idle, the bored, the fun seekers, uploads are for us who have no fun
in life at all and just have to work and work and work, nose to the
grindstone, collecting brownie points to present to St Peter at The
Gates. <g>

--
dorayme

[Paul Sture]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:55:13 +1000, dorayme wrote:

> In article <jmc89s$ku8$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>
>> I use LunarPages The are not free and not necessarily the cheapest But
>> work well with Macs
>
> I have a friend who uses Linux variation and made a big point of getting
> a friendly ISP. I think I understand why folks might want their ISP to
> know their OS in case of troubleshooting. Perhaps there are similar
> special reasons for a Mac user to find a Mac friendly host?

It's worth doing plenty of research on hosting ISPs as the quality varies
greatly. My previous hosting ISP got bought out by a firm who promptly
got rid of all the support staff and it all went downhill from that
point, and for a while I ended up running my own server from home.

> My experience is that most of them know bugger all, and that is fine by
> me as long as I host on a Unix server and have access to a C panel, and
> they support a decent version of PHP, allow FTP, etc, all not
> particularly Mac things.

The one I chose did have the support staff and the hardware
infrastructure that I was seeking, and I was able to verify this from
their own web site and asking others. One of my main considerations was
that they weren't likely to get taken over and run into the ground like
my previous experience.

--
Paul Sture

[John Varela]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:37:54 UTC, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org>
wrote:

> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/internetservices/topic4401.html#
> d16jan2012>

Very helpful. Thanks.

--
John Varela

[John Varela]

Thanks to all who responded.

--
John Varela

[Claude V. Lucas]

In article <4f890908$0$16157$742e...@news.sonic.net>,

I'd recommend Sonic as well, in spite of their letting their Usenet service die off...

[Patty Winter]

In article <jmf8ao$h24$2...@dont-email.me>,

Claude V. Lucas <cla...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>In article <4f890908$0$16157$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

[unneeded quotage deleted]

>>My ISP, Sonic.net, is a great company. I hand-code my website,
>>but they provide Wordpress installations, I think free to anyone
>>with a hosting account.
>

>I'd recommend Sonic as well, in spite of their letting their Usenet service die off...

Well, as you and I have just proven, that hasn't quite happened yet. :-)


Patty

[Wes Groleau]

I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally realized
they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay for."

But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent service.

So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually
spell DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.

--
Wes Groleau

Can we afford to be relevant?
http://www.cetesol.org/stevick.html

[Julian Gómez]

In article <jn51v3$77b$1...@dont-email.me>,

Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 04-13-2012 20:38, John Varela wrote:
> > My web site is hosted on MobileMe, which is going away soon, so I
> > need to find a new web host.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set up
> > from a Mac?
>
> I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally realized
> they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay for."
>
> But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent service.
>
> So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually
> spell DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.

I've used them for years. Everything there just works, and tech support
comes in minutes.

--
Julian Gomez ** www.polished-pixels.com ** twitter:3Dscientist

[Sara]

In article <jeg-8E5940.0...@news.astraweb.com>,

Agreed, I've used Godaddy for years too and think their tech support is
superb. I've never yet had a script-reading twit ask me what version of
Windows I'm using, and they've never failed to sort out a problem when
I've had to call them.

Problems are usually me not knowing how to do something, but on one
memorable occasion a site had been hacked due to weak passwords in the
CMS that the site was built on. Within 12 hours (9:30 pm to 9:30 am in
the UK) Godaddy had cleared the defacement, got the site back to how it
should look, checked the backups to see how far back the hack was
injected and talked me through setting up a quick and easy redirect page
on an unused domain that could be displayed whilst they worked on the
problem. Superb service.

--
Sara

Peeps squeaks, Billy is silly and as for Armageddon...

[Chris Ridd]

On 2012-04-24 08:26:10 +0000, Sara said:

> In article <jeg-8E5940.0...@news.astraweb.com>,

> Julian Gómez <j...@polished-pixels.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <jn51v3$77b$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04-13-2012 20:38, John Varela wrote:
>>>> My web site is hosted on MobileMe, which is going away soon, so I
>>>> need to find a new web host.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set up
>>>> from a Mac?
>>>
>>> I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally realized
>>> they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay for."
>>>
>>> But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent service.
>>>
>>> So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually
>>> spell DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.
>>
>> I've used them for years. Everything there just works, and tech support
>> comes in minutes.
>
> Agreed, I've used Godaddy for years too and think their tech support is
> superb. I've never yet had a script-reading twit ask me what version of
> Windows I'm using, and they've never failed to sort out a problem when
> I've had to call them.

GoDaddy backed the horrid American SOPA legislation (and still backs
SOPA-like efforts), which caused a number of high-profile customers
(Wikipedia for one) to leave them.

GoDaddy's advertising is also on the sexist side. Google for "godaddy
danica patrick" (she's a racing driver) and you'll see what I mean.

Both of those would make me avoid them IMO.
--
Chris

[Jolly Roger]

In article <jeg-8E5940.0...@news.astraweb.com>,

They have some restrictions that made them useless to me. Also they have
been known to use some very shady practices regarding domain name
purchases. No thanks. You get what you pay for, and with GoDaddy that
means you get shit.

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[Paul Sture]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:18:01 -0700, Jolly Roger wrote:

> In article <jeg-8E5940.0...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Julian Gómez <j...@polished-pixels.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <jn51v3$77b$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On 04-13-2012 20:38, John Varela wrote:
>> > > My web site is hosted on MobileMe, which is going away soon, so I
>> > > need to find a new web host.
>> > >
>> > > Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set
>> > > up from a Mac?
>> >
>> > I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally
>> > realized they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay
>> > for."
>> >
>> > But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent
>> > service.
>> >
>> > So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually spell
>> > DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.
>>
>> I've used them for years. Everything there just works, and tech support
>> comes in minutes.
>
> They have some restrictions that made them useless to me. Also they have
> been known to use some very shady practices regarding domain name
> purchases. No thanks. You get what you pay for, and with GoDaddy that
> means you get shit.

And I recently discovered that to set up Windows Home Server 2011 as
recommended you need to transfer your domain to GoDaddy or eNomCentral
(I've never heard of them). The first question is "Why?" and my response
is "Not a chance".

<http://www.pcworld.com/article/228598-2/
windows_home_server_2011_what_it_is_and_how_to_use_it.html>

--
Paul Sture

[PhillipJones]

Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 04-13-2012 20:38, John Varela wrote:
>> My web site is hosted on MobileMe, which is going away soon, so I
>> need to find a new web host.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good, reliable web host that's easy to set up
>> from a Mac?
>
> I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally realized
> they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay for."
>
> But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent service.
>
> So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually
> spell DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.
>

My Web site is hosted by LunarPages. For Mac Its UNIX/Linux based. And
use c-Panel for control. For PC people the host using lates version of
windows Server.

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-24-2012 04:26, Sara wrote:
> Julian Gómez<j...@polished-pixels.com> wrote:

>> Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> I've been on GoDaddy for some time, but apparently they finally realized
>>> they were violating the principle of "you get what you pay for."
>>>
>>> But instead of raising the price, they eliminated the competent service.
>>>
>>> So, once again, I'm having to look for someone who can actually
>>> spell DNS. Looks like tigertech.com will qualify.
>>
>> I've used them for years. Everything there just works, and tech support
>> comes in minutes.
>
> Agreed, I've used Godaddy for years too and think their tech support is
> superb. I've never yet had a script-reading twit ask me what version of
> Windows I'm using, and they've never failed to sort out a problem when
> I've had to call them.

I think he meant TigerTech. You state three opinions about GoDaddy.
My opinion on the first is it WAS that way at one time; on the second,
true, even though they're going downhill, they're not that bad; and
the third, that's the way it once was, but the four problems in the past
two years were their screw-ups that they tried to blame on me without
realizing that kind of B.S. won't fool someone with thirty years of
software experience.

> Problems are usually me not knowing how to do something, but on one
> memorable occasion a site had been hacked due to weak passwords in the
> CMS that the site was built on. Within 12 hours (9:30 pm to 9:30 am in
> the UK) Godaddy had cleared the defacement, got the site back to how it
> should look, checked the backups to see how far back the hack was

I don't know who was to blame (security-wise) for the Russian criminals
hacking my site, but I erased it and rebuilt it myself. The one
time a major problem was actually my fault, GD wanted $150 to restore
my site from backup.

[Julian Gómez]

In article <jeg-8E5940.0...@news.astraweb.com>,
Julian Gómez <j...@polished-pixels.com> wrote:

I meant that I've used tigertech for years and really like them. I've
used Godaddy in the past, and avoid them.

[Paul Sture]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:00:58 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> I don't know who was to blame (security-wise) for the Russian criminals
> hacking my site, but I erased it and rebuilt it myself.

I manage a site which I recently converted from Wordpress to straight
HTML, but someone somewhere still has it marked as using Wordpress and is
trying to access all manner of Wordpress files there.

One of the various recent reports on the Flashback malware claimed that
many Wordpress sites had been hacked to distribute it.

> The one time a major problem was actually my fault, GD wanted $150 to
> restore my site from backup.

Right from the outset my hosting ISP stated it would be responsible for
restoring data due to hardware failures or its own mistakes, but that I'd
have to pay for damage inflicted otherwise. They even had a "Request
data restoration" option somewhere in the control panel, though they have
dropped that now.

Since they didn't quote prices, I assumed that they weren't cheap. As
someone who has implemented a lot of backup and recovery procedures
myself over the years, I considered that relying on the ISP for data
restoration would be a dereliction of my duty.

And yes, I have inadvertently wiped out some or all of my site. It's as
easy as typing too fast without looking, eg:

cd temp
bash: cd: temp: No such file or directory
rm *

--
Paul Sture

[Warren Oates]

In article <uvin69-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
wrote:

>
> cd temp
> bash: cd: temp: No such file or directory
> rm

Heh. What was that discussion we were having about root? You don't need
to be root to do that kind of thing. And I tend to rm -r allatime which
really hoses your stuff.
--

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

[Paul Sture]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:25:28 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <uvin69-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>
>
>> cd temp
>> bash: cd: temp: No such file or directory rm
>
> Heh. What was that discussion we were having about root? You don't need
> to be root to do that kind of thing. And I tend to rm -r allatime which
> really hoses your stuff.

Hehe. With a shared hosting ISP solution all the files in your account
belong to you, and unless you deliberately protect your files, most of
them are writable and deletable by you. Which incidentally means that if
some bit of PHP can write to your home area, then miscreants can update
your PHP and other files.

--
Paul Sture

[Wes Groleau]

On 04-26-2012 14:44, Paul Sture wrote:
> Hehe. With a shared hosting ISP solution all the files in your account
> belong to you, and unless you deliberately protect your files, most of
> them are writable and deletable by you. Which incidentally means that if
> some bit of PHP can write to your home area, then miscreants can update
> your PHP and other files.

Which relates to another inconvenience with GoDaddy: all CGI/PHP
processes for my site run in my account instead of in the webserver
account. That means all my website visitors can do anything I can do,
meaning I have to be WAY more careful what's in the scripts I use.

--
Wes Groleau

“Statistics are like bikinis.
What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.”
— Aaron Levenstein

[Paul Sture]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:47:56 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 04-26-2012 14:44, Paul Sture wrote:
>> Hehe. With a shared hosting ISP solution all the files in your account
>> belong to you, and unless you deliberately protect your files, most of
>> them are writable and deletable by you. Which incidentally means that
>> if some bit of PHP can write to your home area, then miscreants can
>> update your PHP and other files.
>
> Which relates to another inconvenience with GoDaddy: all CGI/PHP
> processes for my site run in my account instead of in the webserver
> account. That means all my website visitors can do anything I can do,
> meaning I have to be WAY more careful what's in the scripts I use.

I've just checked mine and they do the same.

Though I found it a pain until I wrote some scripts to help me, the
recommended way of upgrading Drupal is to delete the lot and reinstall
from the new release, moving any customised stuff back afterwards. If
you think about it, that's actually good practice, since clearing the lot
means you also clear anything which shouldn't be there.

My ISP has done at least two things to improve matters since I started
with them:

1. I can no longer see other users's processes via the ps command. I
suspect they have implemented FreeBSD Jail*, or something along those
lines.
2. rm on its own now asks for confirmation before deleting.

* FreeBSD Jail:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_jail>

--
Paul Sture

[Wilbur Eleven]

In article <c3iq69-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
wrote:

> 2. rm on its own now asks for confirmation before deleting.

They've made a system-wide alias to "rm -i". I did that once ons a Linux
system I had going.

--

Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

[Paul Sture]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:02:00 -0400, Wilbur Eleven wrote:

> In article <c3iq69-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> 2. rm on its own now asks for confirmation before deleting.
>
> They've made a system-wide alias to "rm -i". I did that once ons a Linux
> system I had going.

Yes, and issuing the "alias" command, they've done it for cp and mv too:

alias
alias cp='cp -i'
alias ls='ls -G'
alias mv='mv -i'
alias rm='rm -i'


--
Paul Sture

[gtr]

And so who was that company?
--
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use.
-- Galileo

[gtr]

On 2012-04-14 15:37:54 +0000, Fred Moore said:

> There was a good discussion on Macintouch last January which might be
> useful to you:
> <http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/internetservices/topic4401.html#
> d16jan2012>

Many thanks for that!

[Paul Sture]

It's a Swiss company http://www.hostpoint.ch/

Marc Liyanage uses it for his Mac Software downloads site found here:

http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/

and he seems happy with it too.

An advantage for me is that I can pay in my local currency. Folks
outside Switzerland will be subject to currency fluctuations, and the
Swiss Franc has been quite strong for the last few years.


--
Paul Sture

[John Young]

In article <barbschaller-501F...@news.iphouse.com>,
Melba's Jammin' <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-FdndTo4vrPH0@localhost>,

> John, what did you decide to do, if you don't mind me asking. I am in
> the same boat you are. I need some handholding to move it to maybe
> blogspot and I don't know where to get the handholding. :-\

I use https://my.bluehost.com/
I like it. I has all the tools and info to set must anything up. I paid
for three years up front that made it cheap (I did not do much shopping
for price) so it might not be the cheapest.
I sure Mr nospam will tell you why it's no good so I will leave that to
him. (and best regards to him)
Regardless you might want to look it has been 100 percent dependable.