Re: Usenet newsreader

[Bob Harris]

In article <rqm8981oii3aort70...@4ax.com>,
Jan <o...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi there,
> I am a new Mac user.
> Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?
> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.
> Bye4now,
> Jan

many of us use MT-NewsWatcher

It has a few rough edges as it has not been updated recently.

The Thunderbird mail app can read USENET News Groups.

You could got to MacUpdate.com and search for Mac NewsReaders
<http://www.macupdate.com/find/mac/newsreader>
<http://www.macupdate.com/find/mac/usenet>

[Richard Wakeford]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:51:45 +0100, Jan wrote:

> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS

I use 40tude Dialog under Crossover and it works a treat. Never found a Mac
programme to beat it when I moved over to Macs 5 years ago. I also have my
diary programme iDaily Diary on Crossover as well. Have to keep that as
I've had it running for over ten years now with lots of information that I
need to keep!

[David Arnstein]

In article <rqm8981oii3aort70...@4ax.com>,
Jan <o...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>I am a new Mac user.
>Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?

>Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.

This would be a good time to look over all of your Windows programs.
How many of them would you like to continue using? It sounds as if you
rather like Agent, so there is one.

I have many Windows programs that I cannot give up. For this reason, I
bought Parallels (software) so that I can run all of my Windows and OSX
programs at once.

It is a bit expensive, because I still need a legal copy of Microsoft
Windows to execute inside Parallels. I think this is the most reliable
and convenient way to integrate Windows into OSX, so I opened my wallet.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^

[Your Name]

In article
<nospam.News.Bob-6B...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob

MacOrchard.com has a list at http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/
Unfortauntely the website stopped being updated in 2012. :-(

[Howard Brazee]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:58:17 +0000 (UTC), David Arnstein
<arnstei...@pobox.com> wrote:

>This would be a good time to look over all of your Windows programs.
>How many of them would you like to continue using? It sounds as if you
>rather like Agent, so there is one.

I use Agent under CrossOver. Only trouble is, when I try to print a
message, nothing happens (I have to cancel out of the print window).

--
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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Your Name]

In article <k71tno$i0r$2...@reader1.panix.com>, David Arnstein

Buying a Mac to then run Windows on it is a bit pointless, but in the
short term it can help with the switch over until you find an appropriate
Mac application.

If you're running Internet connections through Fusion / Parallels / Boot
Camp you will need anti-malware software to protect your Windows system.

[Patty Winter]

In article <rqm8981oii3aort70...@4ax.com>,
Jan <o...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>Hi there,

>I am a new Mac user.
>Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?

I use a terminal-based newsreader myself, but the GUI-based
one I see mentioned most often is MT-Newswatcher.


Patty

[Patty Winter]

In article <kst998hblud2urec9...@4ax.com>,
Jan <o...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>thanks to all of you who reacted on my request.
>I have enough info to get started.
>Have a nice weekend,
>Jan
>--
>Jan - PA0OKE


Ah, a fellow ham! Welcome to the world of Mac, Jan. Feel
free to ask here or on the other Mac groups (.system, .app,
etc.) if you have any other questions as you go along.


Patty N6BIS

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Jan <o...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi there,
> I am a new Mac user.
> Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?

> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.

> Bye4now,
> Jan

Assuming you mean OSX (on Macs), and not iOS (on iPads, iPhones, etc),
I've used MacSOUP <http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/> since the 90's
and consider it the best shareware purchase I ever made. It is an
offline plain-text only (no binary support) Usenet client costing
USD$20, with an unlimited trial period (you just get asked once to
register upon launch, and the User-Agent header shows you're using an
unregistered copy).

MacSOUP is a bit unusual in some of it's UI conventions, e.g. to save
and queue (to be sent next time you connect) a message you've composed,
you simply close the message window. But five minutes with the manual
ought to sort out any confusion. However you _do_ have to RTFM :-) It's
amazing how many haven't over the years, and then complain here, heh.

Anyway - why would you want to use MacSOUP? A clean highly functional
UI, keyboard shortcuts for nearly everything (so you don't have to take
your hands off the KB if you don't want to), an unparalleled graphical
tree view of threads (yes some others have had this feature, but none
look as good or are as as functional as MacSOUP's IMO), true
reference-based threading, regular expression filtering, a bare bones
plain text email client (though with the excellent filtering and
threading, I used it for my email mailing lists up till a few years ago
when HTML email became too common to ignore), tagging/killing and
auto-tagging/killing of individual posts and threads or sub-threads, and
comprehensive views to show read/unread/tagged/etc.

For binary groups I use MT-NewsWatcher - an online Usenet client with an
excellent feature set, which many here swear by for both text and binary
groups.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

- Jamie Kahn Genet
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

When on the command line I like to use tin <http://www.tin.org/>.

[TaliesinSoft]

On 2012-11-02 23:51:45 +0000, Jan said:

> Hi there,
> I am a new Mac user.
> Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?

> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.
> Bye4now,
> Jan

For the last few years I have been using Unison as my newsreader. I
especially like that I can get feedback from the authoring site when I
have a question, and that there have been upgrades to address issues.

--
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

[John Varela]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:31:54 UTC, Tim Lance <no...@nada.com> wrote:

> Hogwasher! FTW

It's buggy. Can't deal with long threads such as regularly occur on
alt.folklore.computers and alt.usage.english. The author is
unresponsive. It's junk as far as I'm concerned.

--
John Varela

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and
murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure
wind. -- George Orwell

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

John Varela <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:31:54 UTC, Tim Lance <no...@nada.com> wrote:
>
> > Hogwasher! FTW
>
> It's buggy. Can't deal with long threads such as regularly occur on
> alt.folklore.computers and alt.usage.english. The author is
> unresponsive. It's junk as far as I'm concerned.

There was a time I thought Hogwasher might be able to take over from
MacSOUP for me. But even back in 1999 the developer seemed unresponsive.

[TaliesinSoft]

On 2012-11-05 02:17:18 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:

> There was a time I thought Hogwasher might be able to take over from
> MacSOUP for me. But even back in 1999 the developer seemed unresponsive.

Once upon a time, say around 1997 I was an avid fan and user of
Hogwasher and the author was most responsive. Then something happened
and it seemed that the author had perhaps given up. There was the
time, I can't remember when when I dumped Hogwasher and went to Unison.

[J.J. O'Shea]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:15:53 -0500, TaliesinSoft wrote
(in article <afopb8...@mid.individual.net>):

Oh, he's given up, alright. The Hog hasn't been upgraded since 2006. I've
sent in a few bug reports. He hasn't answered me since... 2008. I can tell
exactly because I just checked in my email.

His website has recently been updated. The Hog's price has been reduced from
$50 to $22. If he'd actually supported it, I'd have paid the $50. As it is,
it's not worth the $22. I expect that one day soon an Apple OS update will
kill it.

--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

[Warren Oates]

In article <k77bj...@news7.newsguy.com>,

J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote:

> His website has recently been updated. The Hog's price has been reduced from
> $50 to $22. If he'd actually supported it, I'd have paid the $50. As it is,
> it's not worth the $22. I expect that one day soon an Apple OS update will
> kill it.

I hope not: that same update would kill MTNW, too, probably. Hogwasher
-- don't get me started, Mabel.
--

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

[Howard]

Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Anyway - why would you want to use MacSOUP? A clean highly functional
> UI, keyboard shortcuts for nearly everything (so you don't have to take
> your hands off the KB if you don't want to), an unparalleled graphical
> tree view of threads (yes some others have had this feature, but none
> look as good or are as as functional as MacSOUP's IMO)

Use MACSOUP. Simply the best. I have been using it for YEARS and have
tried all of the others. Nothing compares.

Howard

PS: Use version 2.8.2

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Why not 2.8.3? I've no issues with it.

[Howard]

Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Howard <Howar...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway - why would you want to use MacSOUP? A clean highly functional
> > > UI, keyboard shortcuts for nearly everything (so you don't have to take
> > > your hands off the KB if you don't want to), an unparalleled graphical
> > > tree view of threads (yes some others have had this feature, but none
> > > look as good or are as as functional as MacSOUP's IMO)
> >
> >
> > Use MACSOUP. Simply the best. I have been using it for YEARS and have
> > tried all of the others. Nothing compares.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > PS: Use version 2.8.2
>
> Why not 2.8.3? I've no issues with it.

I actually cannot recall why but back a few years I was advised to stay
with 2.8.2 for some technical reason ........ :D

Howard

[David Empson]

Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Howard <Howar...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway - why would you want to use MacSOUP? A clean highly functional
> > > UI, keyboard shortcuts for nearly everything (so you don't have to take
> > > your hands off the KB if you don't want to), an unparalleled graphical
> > > tree view of threads (yes some others have had this feature, but none
> > > look as good or are as as functional as MacSOUP's IMO)
> >
> >
> > Use MACSOUP. Simply the best. I have been using it for YEARS and have
> > tried all of the others. Nothing compares.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > PS: Use version 2.8.2
>
> Why not 2.8.3? I've no issues with it.

Same here. Still works fine in Mountain Lion as well.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[erilar]

In article <1kt3i49.ric67f18qai06N%Howar...@home.com>,

I've never tried any of the others; I've always been happy with
NewsWatcher.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[John Varela]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:39:39 UTC, Tim Lance <no...@nada.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:29:35 -0600, John Varela wrote
> (in article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-KddnF2dDioJ2@localhost>):

>
> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:31:54 UTC, Tim Lance <no...@nada.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hogwasher! FTW
> >
> > It's buggy. Can't deal with long threads such as regularly occur on
> > alt.folklore.computers and alt.usage.english. The author is
> > unresponsive. It's junk as far as I'm concerned.
> >
> >
>

> I'm not saying you didn't have issues. But I do not, not even with the
> largest binaries groups there be.

The problem isn't with the length of posts, it's with the length of
threads. In the two news groups I mentioned it's not unusual for
threads to run to hundreds or even 1,000 posts. One thread was
cross-posted between the two and went for I-don't-know maybe 2,000
posts. Those long threads break Hogwasher and render it useless to
me.

Also, threads in those news groups sometimes run twenty, thirty, or
more responses deep and Hogwasher's tree display, if I recall
correctly, was limited to 16 levels, as if the coder were still
working in fixed point and trying to conserve the number of bits
used.

> So yes, YMMV. Developer has had a Cocoa version in the the works for years.
>
> Sigh. I can not get past the elegance of its Subscriptions - as long as it
> all keeps working
>


--
John Varela

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Thunderbird works for me.

What are you using to post this from?

el

On 2012-11-03 01:51 , Jan wrote:
> Hi there,
> I am a new Mac user.
> Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?
> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.
> Bye4now,
> Jan
>

--
If you want to email me, replace nospam with el

[Bread]

I've been using Unison for a couple of years, too.

It's still buggy - every time I use "Ignore Sender…" to add someone to
the filter list, it adds the person, then crashes.

And it's got a few things I'd *really* like them to add - more flexible
filtering to start with and better ways to keep copies of messages sent
and/or ones one finds online. Finally, the ability to keep the prefs
files in Dropbox so I could read from more than one computer would be
pretty awesome. I tried to hack that by moving the prefs and setting
up aliases and softlinks and it didn't work.

But other than that, the interface is lovely, totally modern mac-like,
and it's a pretty decent program. Good enough that I'm still using it.

That said, I used gnus inside emacs for many many many years before
switching to this and may still return to it. It's still just that
much better than any other way I've used. Before that, I used nn.

[Paul Förster]

Hi Jan,

On 2012-11-02 23:51:45 +0000, Jan said:

> Hi there,
> I am a new Mac user.
> Anyone here who can tell me which program to use for Usenet?
> Or a way to use Agent Newsreader under IOS.
> Bye4now,
> Jan

... I use Unison (USD $29, available at either Mac App Store or
http://www.panic.com/unison/) on the Mac. On my iPhone I use NewsTap
(USD 3.99,
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/newstap-usenet-newsreader/id292410356).
The former has some bugs I can live with while the latter is definitely
a great program. :-)

Hope this helps.
--
cul8er

Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net

[Mitch Bujard]

On 2012-11-03 01:58:17 +0000, David Arnstein said:

> It is a bit expensive, because I still need a legal copy of Microsoft
> Windows to execute inside Parallels. I think this is the most reliable
> and convenient way to integrate Windows into OSX, so I opened my wallet.

I was quite impressed by Wine 'Bottling' capabilities. Once a Windows
program is properly 'bottled' in that Linux environment, it can be run
on a Mac without Windows (yeaah !).
--
Mitch Bujard
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