Can't successfully enter the game again tonight, and WoW runs awfully on the fastest ever iMac.
Jamie Kahn Genet
game after lag issues and me going to fullscreen mode and quitting the
game using File->Quit. The progress bar goes all the way along, but the
game world never appears.
Also I'm getting awful performance on a brand new top-of-the-line 24"
2.8GHz iMac. On highest detail settings frame rates drop to single
digits. Even with detail settings turned down I'm lucky to get 30 FPS.
To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
Looking at CPU usage stats I see WoW isn't anywhere near to using max
available resources :-( I'm incredibly disappointed :-(
TIA,
Jamie Kahn Genet
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steve.kaye
> Also I'm getting awful performance on a brand new top-of-the-line 24"
> 2.8GHz iMac. On highest detail settings frame rates drop to single
> digits. Even with detail settings turned down I'm lucky to get 30 FPS.
> To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
> Looking at CPU usage stats I see WoW isn't anywhere near to using max
> available resources :-( I'm incredibly disappointed :-(
Yeah, me too. I have the 20" iMac which was the top of the line of
the first of the intel machines. It used to run great but the
performance has steadily been declining since I bought it. I've tried
the Windows solution of an OS re-install but that made no difference
at all (and obviously wouldn't help you either).
It took a noticable hit in performance when I went to Leopard
(although it did look nicer on the same settings). One of the latest
OS patches was rumoured to improve wow performance (as noted on WOW
Insider) but I didn't see any improvement.
steve.kaye
Shammy
shattrath with 50+ people around in the center of town and 200+ FPS when
grinding alone.
steve.kaye
That's nothing to with Mac vs PC. If I got a PC with the spec that my
iMac has I wouldn't get the frame rates that you have.
steve.kaye
Rather Play Pinball
Try this test - start QuickTime by playing a song/video, close the
song/video, but leave QT up and in memory (on the dock). Don't close
it! Just launch WoW.
On my machine, major improvement.
RPP
Jamie Kahn Genet
> In article <1idcsdr.qgetwm11ycboqN%li...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> li...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
>
> > Also I'm getting awful performance on a brand new top-of-the-line 24"
> > 2.8GHz iMac. On highest detail settings frame rates drop to single
> > digits. Even with detail settings turned down I'm lucky to get 30 FPS.
> > To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> > game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac?
>
> On the tests of the 24: imac with the HD2600 card WoW runs at 110fps at
> 1280x800 windowed and at ~60fps at 1920xwhatever full screen.
>
> That is to say, the problem is not in your hardware.
F**k me. What detail settings? That CANNOT be the same hardware. It just
can't (so I find myself saying in my head).
Well, this is my THIRD 24" iMac (first two were lemons and were returned
- no idea WTF Apple thinks they're up too with quality control nowadays)
and WoW has been shit on all three.
*massive sigh* :-(
I'm tempted to tell Apple I want my money back. You think I'd get
anywhere? I've noticed performance is shit in other apps as well. It's
not just WoW.
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet
--
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Otelma - Hakkar (EU)
apparently the issue was with the connection (at least on my one) lag
was baaad and apparently not just with mine.
never had any issues whatsoever before with my mac. ever.
Burt Johnson
with a dozen apps running including Photoshop, Lightroom, Safari, mail,
etc... and of course WoW.
Frame rates over 40 and lag under 20ms.
(Note that I do have 6GB RAM on this machine, which helps with the
multi-tasking aspect)
--
- Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html
Indiana Joe
bu...@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
> (Note that I do have 6GB RAM on this machine, which helps with the
> multi-tasking aspect)
RAM helps a lot. I recently bumped my aging 2xG5 from 2G to 4G of RAM,
and my frame rates improved significantly in Shattrath.
--
Joe Claffey | "In the end, everything is a gag."
india...@comcast.net | - Charlie Chaplin
Cellulitis
>
> To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
>
Have you got TimeMachine running? If you have, it might be worth *not*
backing up the WoW folder at all. Everytime a .lua file changes for
any addons that you have it will be backed up into TimeMachine causing
a bit of lag from that. To change that, go into System
Preferences-->TimeMachine and put it in the exclude list.
One solution if you do want to back up the WoW directory is to do a
search on wowinterface.com for backup for mac. These are some
automator actions that can be exported into iCal. I have set them to
backup the interface directory and the WTF directory every morning at
4am and 4.15am as a matter of course. I then back up these directories
into TimeMachine. As they are only changed once a day, they won't be
backed up in the course of normal play for me, ie. one of the hourly
backups.
One thing that you didn't mention was the amount of RAM that you have
in the new iMac. If you only have 1GB, it would be worth going to
www.crucial.com and having a look and upgrading the RAM to either 2GB
or 3GB if the pennies are available. I noticed a large increase in
performance when I went to 2GB on an intel iMac that is a year old.
As a point of reference, with everything up full at 1920Xwhatever, I
get about 60FPS in Azeroth and then about 18FPS in Shattrath. I always
play in full screen and always have running, iCal, AddressBook,
Thunderbird, Mail, Unison, Safari and Subsume.
--
Cellulitis
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Cellulitis <cellu...@blakeley.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2008-03-05 10:41:29 +0000, li...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
> said:
>
> >
> > To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> > game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
> >
>
> Have you got TimeMachine running? If you have, it might be worth *not*
> backing up the WoW folder at all. Everytime a .lua file changes for
> any addons that you have it will be backed up into TimeMachine causing
> a bit of lag from that. To change that, go into System
> Preferences-->TimeMachine and put it in the exclude list.
In my experience these files don't get any activity while a character is
being played. That is, only a "/console reloadui" or a character logout
will save anything. A crash will result in no updates from that session
to any mod configuration, Gatherer or MobInfo data, or players put on
KOS lists. I can't see how TimeMachine on the WoW folder would impact
frame rates.
Cellulitis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> said:
> In article <63aj4pF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Cellulitis <cellu...@blakeley.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> One solution if you do want to back up the WoW directory is to do a
>> search on wowinterface.com for backup for mac. These are some
>> automator actions that can be exported into iCal. I have set them to
>> backup the interface directory and the WTF directory every morning at
>> 4am and 4.15am as a matter of course. I then back up these directories
>> into TimeMachine. As they are only changed once a day, they won't be
>> backed up in the course of normal play for me, ie. one of the hourly
>> backups.
>
> Thanks for that, I never even bother looking for Mac specific WoW stuff
> (other than the crash-happy MacAceUpdater, but it works)
The backup stuff has got me out of a lot of scrapes that MacAceUpdater
has put me into :)
One thing to say about the automator actions is that the first one you
run doesn't work well on Leopard. It would be easier to create the
folders in the root of the hard-drive by hand.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> In article <1idcs1y.1wwexwn1eex4ixN%bu...@mindstorm-inc.com>,
> bu...@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
>
> > (Note that I do have 6GB RAM on this machine, which helps with the
> > multi-tasking aspect)
>
> RAM helps a lot. I recently bumped my aging 2xG5 from 2G to 4G of RAM,
> and my frame rates improved significantly in Shattrath.
I have only 2GB (my money ran out and I figured RAM and HD space could
always be upgraded. A slower CPU - not so much), but that ought to be
enough for now and iStat menus backs me up on this.
No, it's not lack of RAM that's giving me 30FPS with details settings
turned half-way down in WoW. I wish it were that simple :-(
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet
--
Jamie Kahn Genet
> On 2008-03-05 10:41:29 +0000, li...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
> said:
>
> >
> > To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> > game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
> >
>
> Have you got TimeMachine running? If you have, it might be worth *not*
> backing up the WoW folder at all. Everytime a .lua file changes for
> any addons that you have it will be backed up into TimeMachine causing
> a bit of lag from that. To change that, go into System
> Preferences-->TimeMachine and put it in the exclude list.
Nah, TM is off.
> One thing that you didn't mention was the amount of RAM that you have
> in the new iMac. If you only have 1GB, it would be worth going to
> www.crucial.com and having a look and upgrading the RAM to either 2GB
> or 3GB if the pennies are available. I noticed a large increase in
> performance when I went to 2GB on an intel iMac that is a year old.
2GB RAM here. Not a huge amount, but I'm not experiencing constant page
ins and outs either.
> As a point of reference, with everything up full at 1920Xwhatever, I
> get about 60FPS in Azeroth and then about 18FPS in Shattrath. I always
> play in full screen and always have running, iCal, AddressBook,
> Thunderbird, Mail, Unison, Safari and Subsume.
Can I have your old iMac? :-D
Though actually I'm getting seriously pissed off hearing these stories.
My 'top-of-the-line' 2.8GHz iMac stutters between 20 FPS and single
digit framerates at max quality settings in WoW. Apple is going to
f**king refund my money unless they can sort this. I would have been
better off buying a secondhand PPC Mac and a budget PC (I need Winblows
for study and PC gaming) instead of this piece of crap :-(
Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet
--
steve.kaye
wrote:
> In article <1idf80x.c31kkv1pg90f2N%li...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> > My 'top-of-the-line' 2.8GHz iMac stutters between 20 FPS and single
> > digit framerates at max quality settings in WoW. Apple is going to
> > f**king refund my money unless they can sort this. I would have been
> > better off buying a secondhand PPC Mac and a budget PC (I need Winblows
> > for study and PC gaming) instead of this piece of crap :-(
>
>
> Here are the ones that I think matter:
>
> First, try it at 1280x800, 60hz, 24 bit 1x multi sample. Turn
> everything up to max, Turn OFF Full screen glow. Turn OFF Vertical Sync.
>
> (I put ground clutter and weather at 50%, but that's me and it's not for
> performance reasons).
>
> With these settings at full screen I get over 50fps on my 7300gs card,
> and you should get considerably better (double) than that.
What OS are you using? I noticed a big frame rate drop when I
upgraded to Leopard. I did also notice that the graphics looked
significantly better when I first logged in - the second thing I
noticed was the frame rate drop.
steve.kaye
Jamie Kahn Genet
10.5.2 - the crappiest MacOS since 10.1 :-(
I've triedlowering the resolution, but as is typical with LCDs - the
picture looks terrible at anything but the native resolution. No, better
to have a crap 20 - 40 FPS than a totally awful picture. Well,
marginally better...
Cellulitis
I'm going to talk to a mate who has been in WoW for a lot longer than I
have and has had macs for a lot longer than I have.
If there is anything that comes of this with framerates, I'll let you know.
Cellulitis
The following is from a friend who plays WoW and has had an iMac for a
looooonnnnnng time.
things to check are listed below in order of importance
3) check permissions on the drive and allow disk utility to repair any
it thinks are wrong also run checkdisk,
1) is there anything running in Rosetta? - open activity monitor and
check if anything is listed as powerPC if it is update / remove it
2) make sure that WOW is not starting up in rosetta - it is possible
even though there is no need for it to do so
5 what is the speed of the internet connection as WOW fps drops if the
network is slow - if ichat skype etc are running they can somtimes
cause a problem or torrent download Wireless connection is slow / weak
signal etc.
3) check memory usage and make sure that all is low
4) ensure that no Java apps are running like Azureus etc
6) have you applied the graphics update that came after 10.5.2
7 ) re apply 10.5.2 from the COMBO update and re apply the graphics
patch both should be downloaded from apple
8) reinstall WOW
Try these and see if anything helps.
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> My character Achathy on Khaz'goroth realm cannot successfully renter the
> game after lag issues and me going to fullscreen mode and quitting the
> game using File->Quit. The progress bar goes all the way along, but the
> game world never appears.
>
> Also I'm getting awful performance on a brand new top-of-the-line 24"
> 2.8GHz iMac. On highest detail settings frame rates drop to single
> digits. Even with detail settings turned down I'm lucky to get 30 FPS.
> To say this is disappointing is a gross understatement. This is an old
> game and it won't run well on Apple's fastest ever all-in-one Mac? :-(
> Looking at CPU usage stats I see WoW isn't anywhere near to using max
> available resources :-( I'm incredibly disappointed :-(
>
>
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