[ANN] MGL News Tidbits
Trevor Covert
Today MacGamer's Ledge features our weekly shareware game article,
Shareware Center with Dan Daranciang.
<http://www.macledge.com/shareware/shareware.chtml>
This week's edition features Dragon Clash, a cool fighting game from
Dragon Software.
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"Under the leadership of Australian Monte Boyd, Dragon Software has
released its first-ever title: Dragon Clash. It's an animated fighting
game for one or two players, featuring several modes of play. If alone,
players simply pick one of twelve available characters and take on
computer-controlled opponents of increasing difficulty. However, the real
entertainment comes when two players are at the table - they can each
choose a fighter and go head-to-head, or select a squadron of eight
combatants and do battle, in a last man standing knockout style
competition."
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Also, in celebration of the chats tonight with Epic Games' Cliff
Bleszinski and Brian McCann, we've posted a bunch of screenshots from both
Unreal Tournament and Deer Avenger 2!
<http://www.macledge.com/features/utshots/utshots.chtml>
<http://www.macledge.com/features/da2shots/da2shots.chtml>
For those of you who haven't noticed, we now update news many times
throughout the day. We believe we have the best Macintosh gaming news on
the 'net, and we hope you do, too. For example, you can't find our
exclusive information in today's news regarding Bioware and their upcoming
titles MDK2 and Neverwinter Nights anyhwhere else. This isn't recycled
news; it's straight from the horse's mouth!
We hope you've enjoyed the strides MGL has made in the past six months to
enhance our Mac gaming coverage and we hope you'll be there for the ride
as we head into the year 2000.
_____________________________________________________________________
Trevor Covert, Editorial and News Editor tre...@macledge.com
MacGamer's Ledge http://www.macledge.com/
Billy Harris
Covert <tre...@REMOVETHIS.macledge.com> wrote:
> Heya Mac gamers!
>
> Today MacGamer's Ledge features our weekly shareware game article,
> Shareware Center with Dan Daranciang.
I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
sites devoted to computer games.
However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
--
Billy Harris
wha...@mail.airmail.net
Tom Beer
<83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>...
>
>I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
>sites devoted to computer games.
>
>However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
>forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
>
Please don't stop your announcements!!!! I am not regular reader of Mac
gaming sites and rely on Usenet postings to know when interesting articles
come up.
As long as the posting is clearly marked as an announcement (which it was),
I have no objecton.
Billy, why don't you set up your newsreader to automatically ignore MGL
announcements? I'm not sure how to do it, but someone in the group should be
able to give you a hand.
Tom.
Bud Kuenzli
<83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>, Billy
Harris <wha...@mail.airmail.net> wrote:
> In article <trevor-1208...@tau-wa1-73.ix.netcom.com>, Trevor
> Covert <tre...@REMOVETHIS.macledge.com> wrote:
>
> > Heya Mac gamers!
> >
> > Today MacGamer's Ledge features our weekly shareware game article,
> > Shareware Center with Dan Daranciang.
>
> I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
> sites devoted to computer games.
>
> However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
> forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
>
> --
> Billy Harris
> wha...@mail.airmail.net
agreed. I make it a policy to say "ok" to one posting but if it continues
MGL is off my list. This is bad form by somebody that is a newbie to the
net (most of the world) or an experienced netizen that ignores netiquette.
I'll assume the former and cut slack for a time or two till they learn,
then, goodbye MGL.
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Steve Linberg
<83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>, Billy
Harris <wha...@mail.airmail.net> wrote:
> I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
> sites devoted to computer games.
>
> However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
> forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
You can make your own choices, but this is what killfiles are for. I
share your distaste for advertising in newsgroups, but Trevor's
announcements are not spam, for three reasons:
1) He's not selling anything. There is normal advertising on the site,
but it isn't any different from announcing a TV show or content on other
advertiser-financed, user-free medium.
2) His announcements are germaine to the discussion in these groups.
3) His announcements are clearly marked in the subject line, so they may
be easily processed by killfiles.
Trevor marks his announcements by starting them with "[ANN]", standard
Usenet syntax for announcements. What I would suggest to Trevor is that
he extend this syntax to read "[ANN] MGL: ", so that it is even easier to
kill (or highlight) MGL-specific posts. That way, if you don't want to
kill all announcements, but just his, you can.
If you're using Netscape or some other crippled NNTP reader that can't do
killfiles, then you need to get a real newsreader that can (that will also
not do stupid sh*t like screw up word wrapping and post HTML and MIME).
There are several world-class newsreaders for Mac that do these things
very elegantly and are free. I use MT-NewsWatcher, which has a simple
point-and-click interface for killfiles and auto-highliting. It's free,
and you can get it from <http://www.best.com/~smfr/mtnw/>. It also bears
the Good Netkeeping Seal of Approval, something all good netizens should
support.
TomatoMan
J.W. Corey Tamas
<83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>, Billy
Harris <wha...@mail.airmail.net> wrote:
> In article <trevor-1208...@tau-wa1-73.ix.netcom.com>, Trevor
> Covert <tre...@REMOVETHIS.macledge.com> wrote:
>
> > Heya Mac gamers!
> >
> > Today MacGamer's Ledge features our weekly shareware game article,
> > Shareware Center with Dan Daranciang.
>
> I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
> sites devoted to computer games.
>
> However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
> forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
games. I check it every day, myself.
C
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Tom Lerner
<83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>,
Billy Harris <wha...@mail.airmail.net> wrote:
> However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
> forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
I'd have to agree. MGL does this on a daily basis. Once in a while,
fine, but not EVERYDAY.
Tom
Ted Woodward
J.W. Corey Tamas <jw...@magma.ca> wrote:
>In article
><83A52F0329B30DA7.B4BAE26D...@lp.airnews.net>, Billy
>Harris <wha...@mail.airmail.net> wrote:
>> In article <trevor-1208...@tau-wa1-73.ix.netcom.com>, Trevor
>> Covert <tre...@REMOVETHIS.macledge.com> wrote:
>> > Heya Mac gamers!
>> > Today MacGamer's Ledge features our weekly shareware game article,
>> > Shareware Center with Dan Daranciang.
>> I have enjoyed reading MacGamers Ledge; it is my favorite of the web
>> sites devoted to computer games.
>> However, I strongly object to the use of Usenet as an advertising
>> forum, and it this abuse does not stop I will cease to vist MGL.
>There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
>that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
>they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
>newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
>games. I check it every day, myself.
The problem is csmga is moderated, and has a non-trivial turnaround time.
Post there and Trevor's announcments show up next week. Maybe.
I don't mind the posts, and they are clearly marked so are easy to kill
(unlike some of the Clan Lord posts...sigh)
Ted
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Neil Mishalov
t...@dsp.sps.nobasura.mot.com (Ted Woodward) wrote:
>>There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
>>that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
>>they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
>>newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
>>games. I check it every day, myself.
>
>The problem is csmga is moderated, and has a non-trivial turnaround time.
>Post there and Trevor's announcments show up next week. Maybe.
>
>I don't mind the posts, and they are clearly marked so are easy to kill
>(unlike some of the Clan Lord posts...sigh)
>
>Ted
I agree, I don't mind the posts. They are informative and useful.
Neil
Erica J. Marceau
Corey Tamas) wrote:
> There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
> that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
> they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
> newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
> games. I check it every day, myself.
Unfortunately, comp.sys.mac.games.announce is HEAVILY moderated. When I
worked for another e-zine, I tried to get announcements posted over there
since the e-zine had some game reviews and a game column. However, the
moderator decided that our announcement did not deserve to be posted and
refused to listen to my arguments saying that his word was final. In
addition, even if MGL's posts are accepted, they take a long time to show up
and when they do the news will no longer be noteworthy.
I hope that no one decides to not go to the MGL because of Trevor's
announcements. He simply wants to let everyone know of MGL's new and
improved lineup of game information and opinions to the readers of this
newsgroup. Not everyone makes it to the MGL every day to see what's new and
this is a great forum to let you know that something has changed.
If you don't want to see them and don't know how to killfile, let me
know and I'll be happy to help you out.
--
Erica J. Marceau, Contributing Editor/Hotline Manager
MacGamer's Ledge, <http://www.macledge.com/>
Macintosh gaming web site with news, reviews, contests and more.
daziz
<Tom....@nospam.bankerstrust.com.au> wrote:
> As long as the posting is clearly marked as an announcement (which it was),
> I have no objecton.
Yeah I have to ad my voice to the people saying it's fine for Trevor to
do this as long as they are clearly marked. I don't think it's spam nor is
it abusing the newsgroup (IMHO). I highly recommend MT-Newatcher. Even
when I was still a newbie to Usenet this program made it easy to set up
filter and killfiles.
--
Deb Aziz
debw...@nospam.idiots.hotmail.com
J.W. Corey Tamas
<ladym...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I hope that no one decides to not go to the MGL because of Trevor's
> announcements.
No, that'd be silly.
J.W. Corey Tamas
<ladym...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, comp.sys.mac.games.announce is HEAVILY moderated. When I
> worked for another e-zine, I tried to get announcements posted over there
> since the e-zine had some game reviews and a game column. However, the
> moderator decided that our announcement did not deserve to be posted and
> refused to listen to my arguments saying that his word was final.
Oh that's crap. I didn't realize that was the situatin when I made the
suggestion.
M. W. Welsh
>There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
>that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
>they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
>newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
>games. I check it every day, myself.
I just subscribed, 2 messages, but I guess announcements aren't all
that common. Thanks.
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Ash Brimhall
they so anal about posting information there? I rarely check that particular
newsgroup because the posts there are often old news. I understand why it's
moderated. I don't understand why it's moderated so inefficiently.
In article <7p1chh$dng$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Erica J. Marceau" <ladym...@earthlink.net> writes:
> In article <jwct-13089...@x2port41.magma.ca> , jw...@magma.ca (J.W.
> Corey Tamas) wrote:
>
>> There *is* a newsgroup called comp.sys.mac.games.announce. I wouldn't say
>> that announcements on the net are a bad thing at all (especially if
>> they're just one or two omce in a blue moon), and that particular
>> newsgroup seems perfectly designed for announcements pertaining to Mac
>> games. I check it every day, myself.
>
> Unfortunately, comp.sys.mac.games.announce is HEAVILY moderated. When I
> worked for another e-zine, I tried to get announcements posted over there
> since the e-zine had some game reviews and a game column. However, the
> moderator decided that our announcement did not deserve to be posted and
> refused to listen to my arguments saying that his word was final. In
> addition, even if MGL's posts are accepted, they take a long time to show up
> and when they do the news will no longer be noteworthy.
>
> I hope that no one decides to not go to the MGL because of Trevor's
M. W. Welsh
Very few of the Clan Lord posts I might add.
Mike Larson
<yyykuenzli-13...@dialups-194.fairbanks.ptialaska.net>,
yyyku...@ptialaska.net (Bud Kuenzli) wrote:
>agreed. I make it a policy to say "ok" to one posting but if it continues
>MGL is off my list. This is bad form by somebody that is a newbie to the
>net (most of the world) or an experienced netizen that ignores netiquette.
>I'll assume the former and cut slack for a time or two till they learn,
>then, goodbye MGL.
>
The only problem I have with it is the cross-posting. It was pretty
clearly marked, and you don't have to read it if you choose not to. The
content of the site is pretty much as close to relevant to these groups as
you can get. Why be so upset? I doubt you're using an old VMS reader...
back then these sorts of things could be a pain, but not now. Worry about
something worthwhile.
--
-Mike
Mitch Crane
> I hope that no one decides to not go to the MGL because of Trevor's
> announcements. He simply wants to let everyone know of MGL's new and
> improved lineup of game information and opinions to the readers of this
> newsgroup. Not everyone makes it to the MGL every day to see what's new and
> this is a great forum to let you know that something has changed.
Shouldn't it be up to those who are interested in MGL to visit there to
see what's new? People say they like the announcments, but rather than
be bothered with visiting it they prefer that the rest of the newsgroup
be subjected to these things.
I could filter the subject, but then I might miss things I may not want
to miss (e.g. some special happening or something like the GameRanger
announcement).
Suppose every Mac game related site did this daily. Personally, the
current state of it doesn't bother me, but in principle it seems like a
very bad idea. I think fans of a Mac gaming site should do that site a
favor and visit it regularly. That's what I do. They get eyeballs on
their banners when you do that and they don't have to risk putting of
potential readers by spamming the newsgroups.
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M. W. Welsh
wrote:
>Shouldn't it be up to those who are interested in MGL to visit there to
>see what's new? People say they like the announcments, but rather than
>be bothered with visiting it they prefer that the rest of the newsgroup
>be subjected to these things.
Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
Mitch Crane
<mono...@neo.lrun.com> wrote:
> In article <130819991545581956%u...@them.org>, Mitch Crane <u...@them.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Shouldn't it be up to those who are interested in MGL to visit there to
> >see what's new? People say they like the announcments, but rather than
> >be bothered with visiting it they prefer that the rest of the newsgroup
> >be subjected to these things.
>
> Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
I agree.
Actually, I said that it currently isn't bad. Here's what you may have
overlooked:
"Suppose every Mac game related site did this daily. Personally, the
current state of it doesn't bother me, but in principle it seems like a
very bad idea."
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M. W. Welsh
wrote:
>In article <130819991609315374%mono...@neo.lrun.com>, M. W. Welsh
><mono...@neo.lrun.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <130819991545581956%u...@them.org>, Mitch Crane <u...@them.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Shouldn't it be up to those who are interested in MGL to visit there to
>> >see what's new? People say they like the announcments, but rather than
>> >be bothered with visiting it they prefer that the rest of the newsgroup
>> >be subjected to these things.
>>
>> Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
>
>I agree.
>
>
>Actually, I said that it currently isn't bad. Here's what you may have
>overlooked:
>
>"Suppose every Mac game related site did this daily. Personally, the
>current state of it doesn't bother me, but in principle it seems like a
>very bad idea."
That would not bother me at all. Now if they constantly changed their
address so that I had to keep updating my killfile, like many do, that
would be annoying. I don't play many games on my Mac, I haven't been to
MGL for a long time and even then it was just to glance at it. Their
posts don't bother me, but that is my opinion and I wouldn't try to
force it on others. I don't even killfile them, their posts are
infrequent enough for me.
Jamal Bernhard
> I have no problems with announcements in newsgroups as long as they
> have the [ANN] and a description of the post in the subject header
> so I can skip it if I choose.
You say that now, but what if, like Mitch suggests, EVERY gaming
website that covers mac-related news started posting announcements
multiple times a week in the newsgroup. Pretty soon you'd be quite sick
of it, I imagine.
You can say "just killfile them", but the thing is I like
announcements. No, not every day, but I like MAJOR announcements about
news that deals with BIG issues in mac gaming. By posting every day,
MGL (and others) will "force" some people to killfile ALL their posts,
and then these people won't see the handful of announcements about
important issues that they WOULD be interested in reading about, and
MGL will lose their business.
I thought Mitch's post was EXCELLENT. The point is that only a small
handful of people right now are bothered by this (and I'm not one of
them), but it DOES set a bad precident. If MGL can do this, then we
have to let every site do this, Personally, I don't have the time to
read all the news I'd like to -- I probably follow up less than 10% of
MGL's announcements by actually going to their website. I would become
quite bothered if other websites started doing the same. It just
doesn't bother me now 'cause no other websites do.
My suggestion would be one post a week for websites that want to
advertise their content on the newsgroups, or at least only post when
there is BIG news on the website relating to a MAJOR story, and not
just a post every day updating what's new. By monitoring their own
posts, websites can avoid killfiles, which increases their business.
Just my 2 cents. Nothing against Trevor or MGL.
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Marty Dodge
but more than that...
Marty
Mitch Crane wrote:
> In article <130819991609315374%mono...@neo.lrun.com>, M. W. Welsh
> <mono...@neo.lrun.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <130819991545581956%u...@them.org>, Mitch Crane <u...@them.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Shouldn't it be up to those who are interested in MGL to visit there to
> > >see what's new? People say they like the announcments, but rather than
> > >be bothered with visiting it they prefer that the rest of the newsgroup
> > >be subjected to these things.
> >
> > Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
>
> I agree.
>
> Actually, I said that it currently isn't bad. Here's what you may have
> overlooked:
>
> "Suppose every Mac game related site did this daily. Personally, the
> current state of it doesn't bother me, but in principle it seems like a
> very bad idea."
>
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Dan Rudolph
A week or two ago, he was criticized for not cross-posting. The way I
understand it, he should. That way, if someone reads it in one group, it's
marked as read in others.
I agree with many of the people here that posting these announcements is just
fine. They are on-topic, and contain no binaries, so I would think they fall
within the guidelines of this group.
--
Dan Rudolph
7th...@bungie.net
M. W. Welsh
<130819991439023789%jber...@crmse.sdsu.edu.REMOVE.THIS.INVALID>,
Jamal Bernhard <jber...@crmse.sdsu.edu.REMOVE.THIS.INVALID> wrote:
>You say that now, but what if, like Mitch suggests, EVERY gaming
>website that covers mac-related news started posting announcements
>multiple times a week in the newsgroup. Pretty soon you'd be quite sick
>of it, I imagine.
Nah, it would just balance out the Clan Lord posts.
Erica J. Marceau
, Jamal Bernhard <jber...@crmse.sdsu.edu.REMOVE.THIS.INVALID> wrote:
> My suggestion would be one post a week for websites that want to
> advertise their content on the newsgroups, or at least only post when
> there is BIG news on the website relating to a MAJOR story, and not
> just a post every day updating what's new. By monitoring their own
> posts, websites can avoid killfiles, which increases their business.
I have an even better idea. Why can't we do something to make
comp.sys.mac.games.announce UNMODERATED so that we can post there to our
hearts' content without worrying about offending anyone? I don't how this
could be done or even if it's possible, but a newsgroup that's not being
effective should be changed.
I also note that while other web sites post here when they have a new
review up (something the MGL hasn't done yet) or when they have an
interview, I haven't seen anyone complain about them. Just an observation
for you to ponder.
Tom Lerner
<ladym...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I also note that while other web sites post here when they have a new
> review up (something the MGL hasn't done yet) or when they have an
> interview, I haven't seen anyone complain about them. Just an observation
> for you to ponder.
That's because the other sites don't post every single day or as often
;)
Tom
Jonathan Dreyer
I usually only post one or maybe two announcments a month to the newsgroups.
IMO, announcments are ok, as long as they aren't too often.
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jddr...@mac-gaming.com
Check out the Mac Gaming Alliance at:
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Williams
"M. W. Welsh" wrote:
> Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
>
Ding ding ding, let's fess up a prize. If that post were any more sarcastic,
it'd be from me. I really liked this response Welsh, thanks for the support.
I find this thread amusing/disgusting, talk about biting the hand that feeds...
You'd dare label an on-topic Mac gaming post, clearly posted into a Mac gaming
newsgroup, as "spam" when more often than not Usenet newsgroups get overwhelmed
by "teen-age sluts get butt-naked" porno posts?
Why, I was posting MGL tidbits in this newsgroup when most of you were still
knee-high to a grasshopper, when Myst was all the rage and Marathon was as good
as it got. We walked uphill both ways just to play Doom II, and we liked it.
Now all you young whippersnappers flash your Voodoo2 credit cards and think
you're hot snuff because you can quote the latest beta version of Unreal. In my
day, we didn't dare dream of 3D gaming, we dealt with pixellation just because
we could. A QuickDraw 3D card to play Descent was enough to create a panic of
3D fervor, not to mention motion sickness, now look what's happened.
And we never, never complained because someone was trying to spread the word
about the (then-almost-nonexistent) Mac gaming scene.
Bottom line: quit your bellyachin' and be glad you get what you've got. You're
standing on the shoulders of many Mac gamers who've gone before you, who fought
hard to convince companies the Mac was a worthwhile gaming platform even while
Apple did their best to kill off Mac gaming.
Gettin' no respect,
Rick
MGL
M. W. Welsh
Mitch Crane
> "M. W. Welsh" wrote:
>
> > Yes, one post a day is just terrible.
> >
>
> Ding ding ding, let's fess up a prize. If that post were any more sarcastic,
> it'd be from me. I really liked this response Welsh, thanks for the support.
>
> I find this thread amusing/disgusting, talk about biting the hand that
> feeds...
Talk about not understanding who's feeding who.
> And we never, never complained because someone was trying to spread the word
> about the (then-almost-nonexistent) Mac gaming scene.
What you are doing is advertising your website (and suffering from
delusions of granduer).
> Bottom line: quit your bellyachin' and be glad you get what you've got. You're
> standing on the shoulders of many Mac gamers who've gone before you, who
> fought
> hard to convince companies the Mac was a worthwhile gaming platform even while
> Apple did their best to kill off Mac gaming.
>
> Gettin' no respect,
>
> Rick
> MGL
I think you need to get down off your high horse and realize that it is
Mac gamers who support Mac gaming and Mac gaming websites. We don't owe
it to you to accept your spam gladly.
If you wonder why you are getting no respect, I can answer that for
you. It's because you are giving none.
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Malcolm Riddoch
>Mac gamers who support Mac gaming and Mac gaming websites. We don't owe
>it to you to accept your spam gladly.
>
>If you wonder why you are getting no respect, I can answer that for
>you. It's because you are giving none.
tell you what's wasting my bandwidth at the moment is this thread. Seems
to be a fair amount of support for the MGL posts and I'll add mine as
well. If you don't like it then filter it and let the rest of us have a
read.
zeug
http://www.imago.com.au/horizons
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Jan Pieter Kunst
<mc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
[announcements in comp.sys.mac.games.misc]
> Now does that sound like a Plan or what? =)
This is The Solution. Now this thread can end and we are all happy.
JP
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E-mail adres is <jpk"at"akamail.com>, waarbij "at" = @.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <zeug-23089...@catcdun1.murdoch.edu.au>,
> ze...@NOSPAM.earthling.net (Malcolm Riddoch) wrote:
>
>>tell you what's wasting my bandwidth at the moment is this thread. Seems
>>to be a fair amount of support for the MGL posts and I'll add mine as
>>well. If you don't like it then filter it and let the rest of us have a
>>read.
>
> these "announcements"?
I think that's perfectly acceptable, and I'd be very pleased if all
announcements went there.
> comp.sys.mac.games.announce is, as has been said, no use because it
> gets too slowly moderated for web announcements.
Sadly true. (I know the maintainer, and she's been busy. Working-for-
startup hell.)
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Martin Cox
ze...@NOSPAM.earthling.net (Malcolm Riddoch) wrote:
>tell you what's wasting my bandwidth at the moment is this thread. Seems
>to be a fair amount of support for the MGL posts and I'll add mine as
>well. If you don't like it then filter it and let the rest of us have a
>read.
Here's a serious suggestion : what about comp.sys.mac.games.misc for
these "announcements"?
comp.sys.mac.games.announce is, as has been said, no use because it
gets too slowly moderated for web announcements.
Well, c.s.m.g.misc gets bugger all traffic (maybe a whopping 5 posts a
week) so couldn't we use _that_ as a sort of de-facto unmoderated
announce group? After all, pinning certain web announcements down to a
particular genre is nigh impossible (is a Voodoo3 announcement action,
or flight-sim? Falcon 4 benefits as much, or more, than Quake 3) and
cross-posting is not a Good Thing(tm).
That way those who didn't wish to read them simply ignore c.s.m.g.misc
(I'm sure most people do anyway by the looks of it ;-) ), and those who
_do_ wish to read them simply subscribe. Newbies will likely subscribe
to _all_ the c.s.m.games heirarchy to begin with and then filter out
the groups they're not interested in anyway.
Cuts down on cross-posting. Cuts down on "spam" (and I use the term
loosely) traffic in the other groups. Keeps everyone happy.
Now does that sound like a Plan or what? =)
--
"Couldn't all be cowboys,
Some of us are clowns." - Counting Crows.
Martin Cox <mc...@ihug.co.nz>
CF
Mitch Crane schrieb in Nachricht <230819991142279394%u...@them.org>...
>> feeds...
>
>Talk about not understanding who's feeding who.
Mitch, perhaps Rick should have added a few smileys here
and there but it should have been obvious (well, more or
less, the "voodoo credit card" was a dead giveaway IMHO)
that the article was 99% tongue-in-cheek.
>I think you need to get down off your high horse and realize that it is
>Mac gamers who support Mac gaming and Mac gaming websites. We don't owe
>it to you to accept your spam gladly.
Again, Mitch, easy... I thought Rick's article to be quite funny. I, too,
would have liked less frequent announcements from MGL in this
NG (most people drop by MGL anyway, so a one-week re-cap
should suffice - especially since it takes about one to two
full days for an article to reach everyone. Usually I've already
read the article that was pointed to by the announcement).
His article, though, was hardly an attempt to justify the
flood of announcements from MGL.
But I also feel that you miss a point somewhere. MGL
and other gaming sites *do* contribute to bringing games
over to the Mac side of the universe. They serve as focal
points to generate interest and express ideas, very much
like this ng. Also, it stands to reason that if a site like
MGL generates enough hits, there might be enough
people to write a game for. This *is* very important to
distributors because figures like these (potential customer
base) are very difficult to come by - and sites like MGL
can provide a part of this information for free. So, yes,
simply by existing and people going there (and yes,
it's you and other people who make or break MGL by
going or abstaining there) a gaming news site does
have a positive effect on the mac game market.
>If you wonder why you are getting no respect, I can answer that for
>you. It's because you are giving none.
Rick should have added a smiley. You should have counted
to ten before posting. I mean - come on - "We walked uphill both ways
just to play Doom II, and we liked it". Did you really think this
post was serious? I thought you above all would be able to take a
joke. Or has your endless (and now pointless) in-fight with Mike Roca
taken that out of *both* of you? Rick is not writing for MGL to gain
respect. He does it for no pay because he likes to write and wants
you all to share the experience. And yes, I do respect him for
it. And for writing his diatribe about the "good old golden days
of mac gamin" I respect him even more - for his IMHO successful
attempt at lightening the mood. Pity not everyone thought the
same.
Cheers,
Christian
Mitch Crane
> Rick should have added a smiley. You should have counted
> to ten before posting. I mean - come on - "We walked uphill both ways
> just to play Doom II, and we liked it". Did you really think this
> post was serious?
I wasn't directing any of my comments at the humor paragraph. Yes, I
saw some humor and sarcasm in the post. I also saw thinly veiled
pomposity.
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Ritchie, Kelvin
It's not like this is comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim that gets about
300+ posts a day.
Ben
'this group'?? You might look at the headers of the message you are
sending out to millions of people.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.action, comp.sys.mac.games.adventure,
comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim
action and adventure get quite a few posts and certainly dont need daily
web site advertisements masquerading as news.
-Ben