MacWeb or Mosaic
Avesh Jain
better for SLIP connections?
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Adam Elman
Jain) wrote:
> Are there any advantages of using one over the other? Also, which on is
> better for SLIP connections?
I'd say MacWeb for the following reasons:
* It's a bit quicker. The difference between MacWeb 1.00A2 and Mosaic for
Mac 1.0.3 is large; Mosaic 2.0A3 is much closer, but that brings us to...
* It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
that often.
* It's smaller -- that much less time to download over a SLIP connection.
Just my two cents.
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Rich Hand
ael...@cs.stanford.edu (Adam Elman) wrote:
> * It's a bit quicker. The difference between MacWeb 1.00A2 and Mosaic for
> Mac 1.0.3 is large; Mosaic 2.0A3 is much closer, but that brings us to...
I would agree on this point. In addition, you can move to other applications
while MacWeb continues. MacMosaic 2.0A2 can't. Also the cancel download
works with MacWeb and not MacMosaic A2 or A3. Use of the cmd-L to load
images is excellent.
> * It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
> distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
> that often.
I have never had MacWeb crash on me. But MacMosaic does.
The items that I prefer in MacMosaic:
proxy service is available, it is not available in MacWeb.
hotlists seem to work better, a matter of taste I guess.
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John Hardin
In article <aelman-2007...@mac-aida.stanford.edu>,
ael...@cs.stanford.edu (Adam Elman) wrote:
> * It's a bit quicker. The difference between MacWeb 1.00A2 and Mosaic for
> Mac 1.0.3 is large; Mosaic 2.0A3 is much closer, but that brings us to...
I would agree on this point. In addition, you can move to other applications
while MacWeb continues. MacMosaic 2.0A2 can't. Also the cancel download
works with MacWeb and not MacMosaic A2 or A3. Use of the cmd-L to load
images is excellent.
> * It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
> distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
> that often.
I have never had MacWeb crash on me. But MacMosaic does.
The items that I prefer in MacMosaic:
proxy service is available, it is not available in MacWeb.
This is not true! Proxy service is available in MacWeb as of the
1.00A2 release! However, you must ResEdit to edit the proxy info.
(Look for a GUI in a later release.)
To edit the proxy info see STR# id=803 ("Proxy Info"). Strings are of
the form "<protocol>;<proxy_http_url>"; one entry per protocol. For
example, to use the proxy services of host proxy.foo.com for the
gopher protocol you'd use the following string:
gopher;http://proxy.foo.com/
If you have any problems and/or questions, don't hesitate to ask.
hotlists seem to work better, a matter of taste I guess.
In what ways could MacWeb's hotlists be made to "work better"? Have
you seen that MacWeb now offers reading and writing of hotlists in
MacMosaic format as well as writing as HTML? MacWeb can also sort
hotlists.
Please let me know how you think MacWeb's hotlists could be improved.
(Don't misunderstand me. I *know* MacWeb's hotlist capabilities need
to be improved! I'm just soliciting suggestions!)
-jwh
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Avesh Jain
: > * It's a bit quicker. The difference between MacWeb 1.00A2 and Mosaic for
: > Mac 1.0.3 is large; Mosaic 2.0A3 is much closer, but that brings us to...
: I would agree on this point. In addition, you can move to other applications
: while MacWeb continues. MacMosaic 2.0A2 can't. Also the cancel download
: works with MacWeb and not MacMosaic A2 or A3. Use of the cmd-L to load
: images is excellent.
: > * It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
: > distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
: > that often.
: I have never had MacWeb crash on me. But MacMosaic does.
: The items that I prefer in MacMosaic:
: proxy service is available, it is not available in MacWeb.
: hotlists seem to work better, a matter of taste I guess.
Thanks for the help. I started using MacWeb last night, and I like it MUCH MUCH
better than Mosaic. I found less crashes, and better SLIP performance. It's
an EXCELLENT product! Have they made any other TCP products for the mac?
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OS
Jain) wrote:
>Thanks for the help. I started using MacWeb last night, and I like it MUCH MUCH
>better than Mosaic. I found less crashes, and better SLIP performance. It's
>an EXCELLENT product! Have they made any other TCP products for the mac?
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Yes, they have a shareware product called MacWAIS which you can get from
the same site you got MacWeb.
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Rich Hand (rich...@halcyon.com) wrote:
: > * It's a bit quicker. The difference between MacWeb 1.00A2 and Mosaic for
: > Mac 1.0.3 is large; Mosaic 2.0A3 is much closer, but that brings us to...
: I would agree on this point. In addition, you can move to other applications
: while MacWeb continues. MacMosaic 2.0A2 can't. Also the cancel download
: works with MacWeb and not MacMosaic A2 or A3. Use of the cmd-L to load
: images is excellent.
: > * It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
: > distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
: > that often.
: I have never had MacWeb crash on me. But MacMosaic does.
: The items that I prefer in MacMosaic:
: proxy service is available, it is not available in MacWeb.
: hotlists seem to work better, a matter of taste I guess.
Thanks for the help. I started using MacWeb last night, and I like it MUCH MUCH
better than Mosaic. I found less crashes, and better SLIP performance. It's
an EXCELLENT product! Have they made any other TCP products for the mac?
Thanks for the complements!
Other TCP products for the Mac? Yes! A WAIS client, MacWAIS. It's
available via ftp://ftp.einet.net/einet/mac/macwais1.29.sea.hqx. We
also have secure versions of MacWeb and MacWAIS (as well as the
servers with which they communicate). We have comparable clients on
Windows platforms, too.
Dave Garaffa
Hardin) wrote:
>
> Thanks for the complements!
>
> Other TCP products for the Mac? Yes! A WAIS client, MacWAIS. It's
> available via ftp://ftp.einet.net/einet/mac/macwais1.29.sea.hqx. We
> also have secure versions of MacWeb and MacWAIS (as well as the
> servers with which they communicate). We have comparable clients on
> Windows platforms, too.
>
> -jwh
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John,
I think you know how I feel about MacWeb but what the heck, its good for
the ego ;-) Its way ahead of that 'other' Web client. <grin>
Anyway someone on the net had made a statement that said to the effect..
MacWeb isn't going to be a freely useable application in the future, ie:
Shareware fee must be paid or even hinted that it might go comercial only
in distribution.
I have never read any such statment that said anything of the sort and was
wondering if you could clear things up a bit...
Thanks and I think you deserve a nice long vacation... well *after* the
alpha testing is done :-)
Keep up the good work.
Dave,
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John Hardin
In article <HARDIN.94J...@dino.mcc.com>, har...@dino.mcc.com (John
Hardin) wrote:
>
> Thanks for the complements!
>
> Other TCP products for the Mac? Yes! A WAIS client, MacWAIS. It's
> available via ftp://ftp.einet.net/einet/mac/macwais1.29.sea.hqx. We
> also have secure versions of MacWeb and MacWAIS (as well as the
> servers with which they communicate). We have comparable clients on
> Windows platforms, too.
>
> -jwh
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> MCC email: har...@mcc.com
> 3500 W. Balcones Center Dr fax: (512)338-3897
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John,
I think you know how I feel about MacWeb but what the heck, its good for
the ego ;-) Its way ahead of that 'other' Web client. <grin>
Thanks for the complement! <big_grin>
Anyway someone on the net had made a statement that said to the effect..
MacWeb isn't going to be a freely useable application in the future, ie:
Shareware fee must be paid or even hinted that it might go comercial only
in distribution.
I have never read any such statment that said anything of the sort and was
wondering if you could clear things up a bit...
The statement "MacWeb isn't going to be freely useable" is
emphatically FALSE!! (subject, of course, to non-commercial usage
restrictions). We *are* developing a commercial version of MacWeb
that will be substantively better, supported, professionally
documented, etc., but there will always be a free (for non-commercial
usage) version (ala Eudora).
Does this clear up the confusion?
Thanks and I think you deserve a nice long vacation... well *after* the
alpha testing is done :-)
Keep up the good work.
Thanks again.
William Arnett
Avesh Jain <aj...@dirac.scri.fsu.edu> wrote:
>Are there any advantages of using one over the other? Also, which on is
>better for SLIP connections?
I'm in the process of creating a fairly large WWW document consisting
of about a hundred "pages" and associated images. I'm on the end of a
slow and expensive SLIP connection. So I do all my development with
local copies to my html files. MacWeb has one huge advantage of
MacMosaic in this circumstance: MacWeb doesn't try to open the TCP
connection until it needs to whereas MacMosaic always opens a TCP
connection at startup. Thus with MacWeb I can work offline to my
hearts content. But with MacMosaic I have to wait for my SLIP
connection to initialize and then kill it every time I restart
MacMosaic.
Besides, MacWeb doesn't crash as often and can reliably terminate long
downloads.
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Rufus Cable
wrote:
[munch]
> MacMosaic in this circumstance: MacWeb doesn't try to open the TCP
> connection until it needs to whereas MacMosaic always opens a TCP
> connection at startup. Thus with MacWeb I can work offline to my
I could be wrong here, particularly if you're using an old version,
but doesn't MacMosaic bring up an "open local" dialog if you hold
option while it's starting up? I use 200A2. I know you don't have
to have a TCP connection, because I started work on my html home
page before getting a TCP connection :-) Look weird under Lynx...
> Besides, MacWeb doesn't crash as often and can reliably terminate long
> downloads.
You do have a point there...
Rufus. ru...@iol.ie
Erik A. Speckman
MacMosaic is slick looking and all but MacWeb takes 1/2 the space on disk
and 1/2 as much RAM. The RAM issue is very important to me. On my 4 MB
C610 with a total of 8 MB with VM Mosaic takes a 3 MB partition and uses
a large part of it. Mac Web takes maybe 2 MB and uses under half even
after loading a few different pages.
Plus it aborts connections better and seems to have
fewer annoying and fatal bugs than Mosaic.
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Carl B. Constantine
sort of. MacWais is a shareware product regardless of commercial usage or
not (If I read that notice right). The question comes in as to what you
term "Commercial Usage".
For example: I'm in the government. I use WWW Clients and FTP clients,
etc (some of which I still have to pay for) but I don't always use them on
Government business. I'm a Support Analyst. I need these programs for
testing before they go out to users and to see where they are having
problems (Note: we've currently given all users Mosaic both Windows (uugg)
and Mac 1.0.3). Do you term gathering gov't information that is widely
available on the Net, Commercial?
Thanks for your help. I haven't used MacWeb much yet (can't you tell from
my earlier comments??) but I want the best for my users. If MacWeb/WinWeb
is it, then I'm willing to take a serious look at it (so far, I really
like it over the current version of Mosaic). But I don't want to spend a
lot of money on it (thus the reason to use Mosaic in the first place, and
MacWeb wasn't out at the time I implemented Mosaic).
Thanks for you comments.
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> * It's fairly stable for an alpha. Mosaic 2.0A3 was taken out of
> distribution for a rather serious bug; MacWeb doesn't even crash on me
> that often.
Sheesh, give the folks a break! Mosaic 2.0A2 runs great for an alpha. My
understanding was that 2.0A3 suffered from an undiscovered bug, which
*can* happen, even in the "perfect" world of the Macintosh...
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Chris Abraham
>I'm in the process of creating a fairly large WWW document consisting
>of about a hundred "pages" and associated images.
Can someone suggest a piece of documentation to give me the 1,2,3 of
making a WWW page?
I vote MacWeb 100%
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OS
wrote:
>Can someone suggest a piece of documentation to give me the 1,2,3 of
>making a WWW page?
>
Try the URL:
http://www.utirc.utoronto.ca/HTMLdocs/NewHTML/intro.html
>I vote MacWeb 100%
>
Only if I can copy text from the window to the clipboard (Mosaic 1.03
can do it).
Bo Orloff
> In article <billaCt...@netcom.com>,
> bi...@netcom.com (William Arnett) wrote:
> >I'm in the process of creating a fairly large WWW document consisting
> >of about a hundred "pages" and associated images.
> Can someone suggest a piece of documentation to give me the 1,2,3 of
> making a WWW page?
Try:
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/demoweb/html-primer.html
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Rich Hand
from time to time. Real big crash when you access tables. But....
it is fast, has some real nice features and I have switched from MacWeb.
The way I figured it, there appears to be some competition here and personally
I am thrilled. Each bounce of the ball, ups the ante.
I want to thank both the folks at NCSA and EINET for the marvelous
programming they are providing for free... well free to us anyway.
My vote as of today is for MacMosaic, tomorrow may be a different story.
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Marc Bizer
rich...@halcyon.com (Rich Hand) wrote:
> My vote as of today is for MacMosaic, tomorrow may be a different story.
Dear Rich,
Why?
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John Hardin
In Article <AA59F57...@chrisa.cais.com>, ch...@photo.com (Chris Abraham)
wrote:
>I vote MacWeb 100%
>
Only if I can copy text from the window to the clipboard (Mosaic 1.03
can do it).
Just a reminder -- adding the ability to select/copy text from
displayed documents is number 1 on the TODO list. Look for it in the
next major release.
John Hardin
Where is MacWeb?
Sorry, I missed the announcement!
ftp://ftp.einet.net/einet/mac/macweb/macweb.latest.sea.hqx
Thanks!
You're welcome!
OS
Marc Bizer
OSol...@utkvx.utk.edu (OS) wrote:
> Yeah Rich, I am curious too!
I tried Mosaic 2.00a6; startup is even slower, it is of course very buggy,
and it takes up 1.3 megs of disk space and 3 megs of RAM. Compare to 400K
and 700K minimum for MacWeb...
--Marc Bizer
Rich Hand
mlb...@mail.utexas.edu (Marc Bizer) wrote:
Marc-
just because MacMosaic best suits my needs today, but if the pattern
holds MacWeb will leap frog again and have my complete attention.
Fortunately, both being free, this doesn't represent a big problem.
I simply enjoy the best one at the time.
Ron Ross
> Just a reminder -- adding the ability to select/copy text from
> displayed documents is number 1 on the TODO list. Look for it in the
> next major release.
Do you think your implementation of this will retain paragraphing?
thanks,
ron
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essential on a 14400 feed. When Mosaic can do that consistently, I may
switch back.
Maybe interruptability is less of an issue if you've got a 56k or better
connection?
Daniel Pead
jm...@wimsey.bc.ca (The Wonderer) writes:
Not when you connect to a WWW server on the other side of the Atlantic
and inadvertently hit a link which starts downloading the Library of
Congress. The UK to US superhighway seems to work on the principle of
tying 2' lengths of magnetic tape to a specially trained homing
albatross. :-)
My impression of MacWeb vs. Mosaic is that, when the final, stable
versions
arrive, there will be little to choose but that MacWeb 1 alpha is MUCH
more reliable than Mosaic 2 Alpha. I tried the Mosaic Alha 6 PPC
version yesterday and it restarted my Mac several times...
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