> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your > loved ones this holiday season.
Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
sentiment, however.
-- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
>> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your
>> loved ones this holiday season.
> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
> sentiment, however.
Didn't BP (or was it DP?) rain despair and destruction upon the Earth by drilling habits and bring Cthulhu forth? I'm sure they were "sorry" for that, but the Goths welcomed it as did Eric Cartman. Cthulhu is as much reason for the season as anyone else.
Any Norse folks here?
Don't think the original followers of Christ were much into ham during Yule.
On 2011-12-18 04:24:18 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> In article <171220112308049457%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
>>> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and
>>> your loved ones this holiday season.
>> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
>> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
>> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
>> sentiment, however.
> *sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being
> in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
Methinks that Davoud fully understood the meaning of the post - that it was a bit of holiday humor.
> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
I understand that you believe that to be true.
I also understand that you cannot prove it to anyone else.
So why is it important enough to demand that you rain on
Michelle's parade?
-- Wes Groleau
"What progress we are making! In the Middle Ages, they would have
burnt me; nowadays they are content with burning my books.”
— Sigmund Freud, 1933
"He was never to know that even that was only an illusory progress,
that ten years later they would have burned his body as well.”
— Ernest Jones, 1953
> > > May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and > > > your loved ones this holiday season.
Davoud:
> > Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever > > done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe > > from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the > > sentiment, however.
Michelle Steiner:
> *sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being > in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
I'm aware of that and I regret that you took my reply seriously. As for
Lovecraft, he didn't know Dick Cheney, did he?
-- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
>> > May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and >> > your loved ones this holiday season.
>> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever >> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe >> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the >> sentiment, however.
>*sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being >in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
I got the impression that Davoud knows exactly who Whatshisname is
and therefore knows that one isn't supposed to say Whatshisname's
name...
> >> > May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you > >> > and your loved ones this holiday season.
> >> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has > >> ever done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to > >> be safe from madness and despair above the background level. > >> Thanks for the sentiment, however.
> >*sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil > >being in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written > >about it.
> I got the impression that Davoud knows exactly who Whatshisname is > and therefore knows that one isn't supposed to say Whatshisname's > name...
> The rest of you are asking for biiiiggg trouble!!
I've never been able to figure out how to pronounce it.
-- "The surprising thing about humanity is that Man sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he doesn't enjoy the present; the
result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived"
- Dalai Lama
>>> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your
>>> loved ones this holiday season.
>> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
>> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
>> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
>> sentiment, however.
> Didn't BP (or was it DP?) rain despair and destruction upon the Earth by
> drilling habits and bring Cthulhu forth? I'm sure they were "sorry" for
> that, but the Goths welcomed it as did Eric Cartman. Cthulhu is as much
> reason for the season as anyone else.
> Any Norse folks here?
> Don't think the original followers of Christ were much into ham during
> Yule.
Zeus can handle Cthulhu. He keeps him locked up in adamantine chains, far away on a rock in the Caucasus, next to Prometheus.
It's Poseidon the Earth-shaker we have to worry about. Zeus lets him roam free; he even has a home on Olympus, but he's the one who sent the Boxing Day tsunami.
>>> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your
>>> loved ones this holiday season.
>> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
>> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
>> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
>> sentiment, however.
> Didn't BP (or was it DP?) rain despair and destruction upon the Earth by
> drilling habits and bring Cthulhu forth?
Not as badly as the Ruskies. They have a Deepwater Horizon event about every
other month. You need to find another 'evil force' to hate...
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:24:18 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
>*sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being >in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
Which was already a joke for me.
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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
In article <michelle-A0657B.20575717122...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your > loved ones this holiday season.
> -- Michelle
Cheers.
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> > > *sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil
> > > being in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
Davoud:
> > I'm aware of that and I regret that you took my reply seriously.
> Sorry, but your satire was too good; your reply was exactly like what a > militant atheist would write.
I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist, but I
find it very difficult to be a militant anything. Militant atheism
makes me think of evangelism. While (as you know) I have sometimes been
guilty of Mac evangelism, I don't like evangelism and I try to avoid
practicing it. I'm aging and mellowing (to a point) and I think I lack
the energy for evangelism.
> > As for Lovecraft, he didn't know Dick Cheney, did he?
> He must have; Lovecraft could easily have crafted Cthulhu after him.
There, you've gone and used his Name again.
-- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
In article <181220111352305953%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist,
I've never understood that. It just turns "Atheism" into some kind of formal Religion.
I'm an atheist, in that I don't believe in a god. Beyond that, I don't care, and I really don't want to argue with religious people or agree with Atheists that there are inconsistencies in the Bible (of course there are, just like there are inconsistencies in Raymond Chandler and who cares).
--
... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child
> In article <181220111352305953%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> > wrote:
> > I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> > other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist,
> I've never understood that. It just turns "Atheism" into some kind of > formal Religion.
Maybe. There are times when militant atheism is warranted, IMO, like
when like your local school board wants to waste money building
"intelligent design" into your schools' curriculum. Other than stuff
like that, I don't get bent out of shape over things like whether stores
say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays"- modern religion is a
part of our culture, so as long as Christmas is a legal holiday, cities
and towns are free, IMO, to erect "religious" displays like nativity
scenes just like they put up Christmas trees and Santas. Why ban one
mythical story and not another? ;)
> I'm an atheist, in that I don't believe in a god. Beyond that, I don't > care, and I really don't want to argue with religious people or agree > with Atheists that there are inconsistencies in the Bible (of course > there are, just like there are inconsistencies in Raymond Chandler and > who cares).
I think the hope is that militant atheists will accelerate the (hopefully)
inevitable evolution of the general population away from the fairy
stories, and their associated baggage, of our ancestors.
> > > I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> > > other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist,
Warren Oates:
> > I've never understood that. It just turns "Atheism" into some kind of > > formal Religion.
Todd Allcock:
> Maybe. There are times when militant atheism is warranted, IMO, like
> when like your local school board wants to waste money building
> "intelligent design" into your schools' curriculum. Other than stuff
> like that, I don't get bent out of shape over things like whether stores
> say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays"- modern religion is a
> part of our culture, so as long as Christmas is a legal holiday, cities
> and towns are free, IMO, to erect "religious" displays like nativity
> scenes just like they put up Christmas trees and Santas. Why ban one
> mythical story and not another? ;)
A recent poll revealed that among religious people (i.e., most of the
world) atheists have the same level of respect and trusts as rapists. You can't battle so-called intelligent design with atheism; you would
lose every time. You have to fight it with the law of the land. Expose
it as a thinly veiled religious doctrine and use the First Amendment's
establishment clause.
> > I'm an atheist, in that I don't believe in a god. Beyond that, I don't > > care, and I really don't want to argue with religious people or agree > > with Atheists that there are inconsistencies in the Bible (of course > > there are, just like there are inconsistencies in Raymond Chandler and > > who cares).
> I think the hope is that militant atheists will accelerate the (hopefully)
> inevitable evolution of the general population away from the fairy
> stories, and their associated baggage, of our ancestors.
Do militant (in-your-face) evangelical Christians stoke your desire to
adopt their superstitions? It happens sometimes that a smart believer
begins to look around and think about the way the world really is and
realizes that the existence of a god is extremely unlikely. But the
general rule remains that you can't reason people out of something that
they haven't been reasoned into. It's still the opiate of the masses.
-- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
> Davoud:
> > > > I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> > > > other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist,
> Warren Oates:
> > > I've never understood that. It just turns "Atheism" into some kind
of > > > formal Religion.
> Todd Allcock:
> > Maybe. There are times when militant atheism is warranted, IMO, like
> > when like your local school board wants to waste money building
> > "intelligent design" into your schools' curriculum. Other than stuff
> > like that, I don't get bent out of shape over things like whether
stores
> > say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays"- modern religion is
a
> > part of our culture, so as long as Christmas is a legal holiday,
cities
> > and towns are free, IMO, to erect "religious" displays like nativity
> > scenes just like they put up Christmas trees and Santas. Why ban one
> > mythical story and not another? ;)
> A recent poll revealed that among religious people (i.e., most of the
> world) atheists have the same level of respect and trusts as rapists. > You can't battle so-called intelligent design with atheism; you would
> lose every time. You have to fight it with the law of the land. Expose
> it as a thinly veiled religious doctrine and use the First Amendment's
> establishment clause.
> > > I'm an atheist, in that I don't believe in a god. Beyond that, I
don't > > > care, and I really don't want to argue with religious people or
agree > > > with Atheists that there are inconsistencies in the Bible (of
course > > > there are, just like there are inconsistencies in Raymond Chandler
and > > > who cares).
> > I think the hope is that militant atheists will accelerate the
(hopefully)
> > inevitable evolution of the general population away from the fairy
> > stories, and their associated baggage, of our ancestors.
> Do militant (in-your-face) evangelical Christians stoke your desire to
> adopt their superstitions? It happens sometimes that a smart believer
> begins to look around and think about the way the world really is and
> realizes that the existence of a god is extremely unlikely. But the
> general rule remains that you can't reason people out of something that
> they haven't been reasoned into. It's still the opiate of the masses.
True, but extremists, whether political, religious, or computer-platform
supporters ;) aren't arguing to convince their polar opposites, those
folks are not convertible, it's to keep the argument alive to make the 80%
in the middle question beliefs they may have never questioned.
My path to atheism started in third grade, when my English teacher, in a
unit on mythology, answered a student's question of why the ancient
Greeks believed in such "stupid" gods and myths with a simple question of
the class: why do you believe in god? After most of us sat there like
deer caught in headlights unable to answer, he answered for us: because
your parents told you to.
The teacher didn't have any agenda, (in fact, he didn't even remember
saying anything of the sort when I asked him about it years later) he was
just explaining the idea of cultural beliefs by example, and why
different historical cultures had such wildly differing beliefs and
ideas. That was my "a-ha" moment, however, that got the ball rolling for
me.
In article <181220111352305953%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist, but I
> find it very difficult to be a militant anything.
"Oppose the Flood, else be drowned by it!"
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
--former US President George H.W. Bush while campaigning for the presidency, August 27, 1987
> I'm aging and mellowing (to a point)
You, Davoud? Mellowing?!? Please say it ain't so. As an atheist, I'd sooner believe in a benevolent, interventionist god! ;)
> > I tried to heed Richard Dawkins' call, issued at a TED Talk and in
> > other places, to be not just an atheist, but a militant atheist, but I
> > find it very difficult to be a militant anything.
Fred Moore
> "Oppose the Flood, else be drowned by it!"
> "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, > nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
> --former US President George H.W. Bush while campaigning > for the presidency, August 27, 1987
Dubya said that I was an Enemy of the State and friend of Bin Laden
when he learned that I was not absolutely sure that the war in Iraq was
a good idea. But what did I know? I had only lived in the Arab
world--and studied the Hebrew and Arabic languages and Arab
political-military affairs--for 14 years.
> > I'm aging and mellowing (to a point)
> You, Davoud? Mellowing?!? Please say it ain't so. As an atheist, I'd > sooner believe in a benevolent, interventionist god! ;)
Yes, it's true. Why, just the other day I walked past two elderly nuns
in the mall and I didn't slap either of them, didn't even spit at their
feet. Now that's what I call mellowing out!
-- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
In article <michelle-DA4853.21241817122...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <171220112308049457%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> > > May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and > > > your loved ones this holiday season.
> > Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever > > done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe > > from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the > > sentiment, however.
> *sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being > in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
I don't know that Cthulhu can be considered evil as such. For one think, he is so far outside the human realm that concepts like good and evil are inapplicable. It would be like considering hurricanes evil or in a proper direction salmon considering humans evil.
-- It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
Walter Bushell wrote:
> I don't know that Cthulhu can be considered evil as such. For one think, > he is so far outside the human realm that concepts like good and evil > are inapplicable. It would be like considering hurricanes evil or in a > proper direction salmon considering humans evil.
So does that mean salmon are ok with the concept of lox?
Geoff.
-- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(
> Walter Bushell wrote:
>> I don't know that Cthulhu can be considered evil as such. For one think,
>> he is so far outside the human realm that concepts like good and evil
>> are inapplicable. It would be like considering hurricanes evil or in a
>> proper direction salmon considering humans evil.
> So does that mean salmon are ok with the concept of lox?
No, it means salmon have no concept of lox.
Even if a salmon could think of such things,
why would he care about liquid oxygen? ;-)
In article <michelle-DA4853.21241817122...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <171220112308049457%s...@sky.net>, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> > > May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and > > > your loved ones this holiday season.
> > Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever > > done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe > > from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the > > sentiment, however.
> *sigh* It was primarily a joke; Cthulhu is supposedly the most evil being > in creation, according to the H. P. Lovecraft stories written about it.
Yes, well, Jesus loves you just the way you are. Cthulu, on the other hand, thinks you could stand a few more minutes on the grill and a little Tabasco sauce.
> >>> May the Elder God Cthulhu not rain madness and despair upon you and your
> >>> loved ones this holiday season.
> >> Considering that neither, er, whatsisname nor any other god has ever
> >> done anything at all in the age of the Universe, we expect to be safe
> >> from madness and despair above the background level. Thanks for the
> >> sentiment, however.
> > Didn't BP (or was it DP?) rain despair and destruction upon the Earth by
> > drilling habits and bring Cthulhu forth? I'm sure they were "sorry" for
> > that, but the Goths welcomed it as did Eric Cartman. Cthulhu is as much
> > reason for the season as anyone else.
> > Any Norse folks here?
> > Don't think the original followers of Christ were much into ham during
> > Yule.
> Zeus can handle Cthulhu. He keeps him locked up in adamantine chains, > far away on a rock in the Caucasus, next to Prometheus.
> It's Poseidon the Earth-shaker we have to worry about. Zeus lets him > roam free; he even has a home on Olympus, but he's the one who sent the > Boxing Day tsunami.
