Anyone ever found a way to play Flash video without stutters?
Jamie Kahn Genet
you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
product for that matter)?
TIA,
Jamie Kahn Genet
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jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
>
> So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> product for that matter)?
I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
to a video that stutters for you?
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> In article <1j52zbt.r8xeyze4ykqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
>
>> 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
>> you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
>> will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
>> video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
>> but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
>> and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
>>
>> So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
>> doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
>> product for that matter)?
>
> I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
> to a video that stutters for you?
From what I have hear, when and if HTML5 gets here, Flash will no longer
be needed to play videos. Getting rid of these proprietary players is
long overdue.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> In article <1j52zbt.r8xeyze4ykqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
>
> > 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> > you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> > will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> > video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> > but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> > and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
> >
> > So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> > doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> > product for that matter)?
>
> I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
> to a video that stutters for you?
Anything on Youtube.
Lloyd Parsons
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1j52zbt.r8xeyze4ykqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> > jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> >
> > > 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> > > you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> > > will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> > > video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> > > but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> > > and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
> > >
> > > So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> > > doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> > > product for that matter)?
> >
> > I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
> > to a video that stutters for you?
>
> Anything on Youtube.
Then you've got other issues going for you. My iMac, 2.4Ghz w/4Gb ram
on a 3Mb DSL line shows no such stutter on youtube.
Jolly Roger
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1j52zbt.r8xeyze4ykqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> > jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> >
> > > 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> > > you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> > > will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> > > video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> > > but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> > > and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
> > >
> > > So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> > > doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> > > product for that matter)?
> >
> > I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
> > to a video that stutters for you?
>
> Anything on Youtube.
But they pay fine for me - here's a ScreenFlick recording:
<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/youtube.mov>
This was in Safari (latest) on a Mac Pro with 10.5 (latest) and 6 GB of
RAM.
Mike Dee
> 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I
> effing hate you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as
> something that will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during
> fullscreen QT Player video playback - stuff like that which will
> obviously never be fixed), but I have a very long flash video
> which would be difficult to download and convert that I need to
> watch without stutters.
>
> So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a
> format that doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e.
> Flash or any Adobe product for that matter)?
Hi Jamie. I can't offer a solution to your stuttering video playback
(maybe the DL speeds in NZ aren't too good where you are?).
Anyhow, I use a Firefox extension called "easy youtube video
downloader" which gives you a one click link in Firefox on the video
page, to DL the youtube video to your PC.
It works really well (youtube only), gives you a choice of file formats
as to what gets DL'd - .mp4, .flv, etc. You don't need to convert
anything with this addon, it gets to you already converted. Play it in
VLC or a player of your choice.
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10137>
So if all else fails, check this one out - get version 1.8 for HD
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Kevin McMurtrie
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
>
> So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> product for that matter)?
>
> TIA,
> Jamie Kahn Genet
I have a 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual core Xenon with 5GB of RAM. Flash still
stutters during playback. No VM paging, no ads running, and no other
processes sucking up CPU time. Flash just sucks. The same H.264/AAC
files will play smoothly even on old G4 Macs with QuickTime.
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> I have a 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual core Xenon with 5GB of RAM. Flash still
> stutters during playback. No VM paging, no ads running, and no other
> processes sucking up CPU time. Flash just sucks. The same H.264/AAC
> files will play smoothly even on old G4 Macs with QuickTime.
"Flash just sucks" is a projection of your problem on others. Flash
works beautifully for me on a variety of PowerPC and Intel Macs, the
least of which (in frequent use) being a PowerBook G4 with 1GB of RAM.
If, on the other hand, you were to say "The way Flash is used by many
content creators just sucks," you would get no argument from me.
Davoud
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jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 2.8GHz iMac with 4GB RAM and it has never been able to :-( I effing hate
> you Adobe. But anyway - I usually just accept this as something that
> will never work (like the Dock 'un-hiding' during fullscreen QT Player
> video playback - stuff like that which will obviously never be fixed),
> but I have a very long flash video which would be difficult to download
> and convert that I need to watch without stutters.
>
> So - is there a way that wouldn't involve converting it to a format that
> doesn't rely on god awful software to play it (i.e. Flash or any Adobe
> product for that matter)?
Jamie, are you absolutely sure that your connection isn't the problem?
Reason I ask is that I had a client on RoadRunner's low-budget cable
connection who had similar problems playing Flash. RR support swore
Flash should play fine. I consulted a fellow consultant who is a network
guru. He suspected RR was 'traffic shaping' (if I remember the phrase
correctly). In other words, the connectin would start out fast, then
slow down, and Flash would stall or stutter. After much wasted time, the
client upgraded to a faster, and more expensive, connection. Bingo!
Problem gone.
Jolly Roger
wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > I have a 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual core Xenon with 5GB of RAM. Flash still
> > stutters during playback. No VM paging, no ads running, and no other
> > processes sucking up CPU time. Flash just sucks. The same H.264/AAC
> > files will play smoothly even on old G4 Macs with QuickTime.
>
> "Flash just sucks" is a projection of your problem on others. Flash
> works beautifully for me on a variety of PowerPC and Intel Macs, the
> least of which (in frequent use) being a PowerBook G4 with 1GB of RAM.
Aorks great here as well, on multiple Macs.
> If, on the other hand, you were to say "The way Flash is used by many
> content creators just sucks," you would get no argument from me.
Agreed.
Jamie Kahn Genet
It's not a network issue. The video is already downloaded by the time I
play it. It's that Flash is shite.
Jamie Kahn Genet
No, it's not a network issue. The video is already downloaded by the
time I press play. No sites like YouTube work in places like NZ without
disabling autoplay.
I also use a FF extension called Greasemonkey and a script called
Yousable Tube Fix do prevent autoplay and display download links and set
my preference for video format. Very handy.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> In article <270820090100451230%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > > I have a 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual core Xenon with 5GB of RAM. Flash still
> > > stutters during playback. No VM paging, no ads running, and no other
> > > processes sucking up CPU time. Flash just sucks. The same H.264/AAC
> > > files will play smoothly even on old G4 Macs with QuickTime.
> >
> > "Flash just sucks" is a projection of your problem on others. Flash
> > works beautifully for me on a variety of PowerPC and Intel Macs, the
> > least of which (in frequent use) being a PowerBook G4 with 1GB of RAM.
>
> Aorks great here as well, on multiple Macs.
>
> > If, on the other hand, you were to say "The way Flash is used by many
> > content creators just sucks," you would get no argument from me.
>
> Agreed.
Flash was awful on 500MHz iMac G3 running 10.3.9, and is currently awful
on a Mac mini core duo ( I want to say 1.66GHz...) running Tiger, and a
20" iMac 2.4GHz core 2 duo as well as a 24" iMac 2.8GHz core 2 duo both
running Leopard.
So what are we doing differently?
Jamie Kahn Genet
RIGHT. That is the kind of crap I have to put up with. Which begs the
question - how are some people avoiding this on even slower Macs?
Jamie Kahn Genet
Yes, I can tell the difference between video stalling because it's not
finished downloading and Flash being unable to play video of resolutions
even my old PM 7300 could (I'm kind of shocked other people here find
Flash is ok. I've not used a Mac in my life where Flash worked as well
as QT), believe me :-)
Thomas R. Kettler
Do you have Perian on your machine to run the video?
<http://perian.org/>
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> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>
[...]
>> Anyhow, I use a Firefox extension called "easy youtube video
>> downloader" which gives you a one click link in Firefox on the
>> video page, to DL the youtube video to your PC.
>>
>> It works really well (youtube only), gives you a choice of file
>> formats as to what gets DL'd - .mp4, .flv, etc. You don't need to
>> convert anything with this addon, it gets to you already
>> converted. Play it in VLC or a player of your choice.
>>
>> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10137>
>>
>> So if all else fails, check this one out - get version 1.8 for HD
>
> No, it's not a network issue. The video is already downloaded by
> the time I press play. No sites like YouTube work in places like
> NZ without disabling autoplay.
And it still stutters? Perhaps this has more to do with the tool you
use to DL and/or play the media in, then?
> I also use a FF extension called Greasemonkey and a script called
> Yousable Tube Fix do prevent autoplay and display download links
> and set my preference for video format. Very handy.
Which sounds much like the extension I use, except EYTVD doesn't
require the intermediary script.
Anyway, good luck in getting it sorted.
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Mike Dee
> Flash was awful on 500MHz iMac G3 running 10.3.9, and is currently
> awful on a Mac mini core duo ( I want to say 1.66GHz...) running
> Tiger, and a 20" iMac 2.4GHz core 2 duo as well as a 24" iMac
> 2.8GHz core 2 duo both running Leopard.
>
> So what are we doing differently?
Don't use Flash.
I use VLC to play .flv files on a reasonably old 1GHz G4 Mac, without
the jitters ;-)
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Jamie Kahn Genet
Yes, I have Perian. Why?
Jamie Kahn Genet
I find VLC to be somewhat crappy - Video occasionally stutters in it
too. QT Player plays the same video fine (but of course the bloody Dock
keeps reappearing in fullscreen mode *sigh*). I have no idea why it's so
difficult to play video on all the Macs I use.
Thomas R. Kettler
With Perian, you can run the .flv files in QuickTime Player. Flash .flv
videos run much better that way.
Jolly Roger
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
It's got to be some software component or some networking issue, but you
say you've ruled that out.
BTW, I just tried that same Youtube video I posted earlier on a MacBook
Pro 2.6 GHz Core 2 Duo with 4 GB RAM, and it played just as well.
Mike Dee
> Subject: Re: Anyone ever found a way to play Flash video without stutters?
> From: jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.2 (Mac OS X version 10.5.8 (x86))
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:05:12 +1200
Umm... you get what you pay for? VLC works well enough for me on my crappy
old hardware. I'm happy that it works as well as it does. You are likely
more discerning than me.
I hope you find something that works well enough for you (and can share
your results) ;-)
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Lawrence Leichtman
Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
Davoud
> Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
That could be restated as "Flash works with Snow Leopard" without
changing the literal meaning.
So what did you really mean to say? That Flash works poorly under SN?
Poorly in what sense? I can think of crashing, stuttering, freezing,
and a host of other Bad Things. C'mon, don't leave us hanging here.
Mike Rosenberg
> Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
I've had no problems with it here.
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> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>
[...]
>> Umm... you get what you pay for? VLC works well enough for me on my crappy
>> old hardware. I'm happy that it works as well as it does. You are likely
>> more discerning than me.
>>
>> I hope you find something that works well enough for you (and can share
>> your results) ;-)
>
> Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
VLC is not Flash (but can play .flv movie files OK).
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Eric Lindsay
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1j52zbt.r8xeyze4ykqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> > jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> > I don't recall having problems playing Flash stuff. Can you post a link
> > to a video that stutters for you?
>
> Anything on Youtube.
So download anything from YouTube as MP4 instead of Flash. That solves
the whole problem (I loath Flash, and use Click2Flash to keep it away
from regular web pages).
You can either use a bookmarklet or just change the YouTube URL.
Lawrence Leichtman
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> Lawrence Leichtman <la...@lleichtman.org> wrote:
>
> > Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
>
> I've had no problems with it here.
I have had problems on several flash dependent sites as it doesn't seem
to work at all.
Lawrence Leichtman
wrote:
> Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
>
> > Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
>
> That could be restated as "Flash works with Snow Leopard" without
> changing the literal meaning.
>
> So what did you really mean to say? That Flash works poorly under SN?
> Poorly in what sense? I can think of crashing, stuttering, freezing,
> and a host of other Bad Things. C'mon, don't leave us hanging here.
>
> Davoud
Actually on some sites,it does nothing at all. No image comes up,
nothing loads.
Mike Rosenberg
> > > Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
> >
> > I've had no problems with it here.
>
> I have had problems on several flash dependent sites as it doesn't seem
> to work at all.
Do you have a reason for not naming any of them to see if others are
having the same problems? The fact that I haven't encountered any sites
at all with problems could be purely coincidental, or it could mean you
have a local problem that can be fixed.
Lawrence Leichtman
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> Lawrence Leichtman <la...@lleichtman.org> wrote:
>
> > > > Flash hardly works at all with Snow Leopard.
> > >
> > > I've had no problems with it here.
> >
> > I have had problems on several flash dependent sites as it doesn't seem
> > to work at all.
>
> Do you have a reason for not naming any of them to see if others are
> having the same problems? The fact that I haven't encountered any sites
> at all with problems could be purely coincidental, or it could mean you
> have a local problem that can be fixed.
AARP magazine site uses Macromedia flash and it works fine on the
Leopard equipped Imac but not the Snow Leopard Macbook Pro.
Mike Rosenberg
> > > I have had problems on several flash dependent sites as it doesn't seem
> > > to work at all.
> >
> > Do you have a reason for not naming any of them to see if others are
> > having the same problems? The fact that I haven't encountered any sites
> > at all with problems could be purely coincidental, or it could mean you
> > have a local problem that can be fixed.
>
> AARP magazine site uses Macromedia flash and it works fine on the
> Leopard equipped Imac but not the Snow Leopard Macbook Pro.
I can confirm that this site doesn't work properly for me under SL, from
either Safari or Firefox. However, other sites have no Flash problems at
all - I've had no problems at YouTube or Facebook, and I just tried the
web site of one of my clients, which has an entirely Flash-based
interface, and there was no problem there.
SL certainly appears to have broken something about the AARP magazine
site, but I'm far from convinced that it's Flash directly.