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Gary
Oct 7, 2012, 5:15:14 PM10/7/12
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The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
still doesn't work with that document.
How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
still doesn't work with that document.
How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
Oliver Jennrich
Oct 7, 2012, 5:24:32 PM10/7/12
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Gary <gar...@hotmail.com> writes:
> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader.
http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/10050.pdf
> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader.
works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
> So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X).
> It still doesn't work with that document.
>
> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
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Paul Magnussen
Oct 7, 2012, 6:15:56 PM10/7/12
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Brian Gordon
Oct 7, 2012, 6:49:16 PM10/7/12
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In article <5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>,
Failed under FireFox, worked under Safari (Mac). Try another browser.
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PhillipJones
Oct 7, 2012, 7:35:17 PM10/7/12
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PhillipJones
Oct 7, 2012, 7:44:42 PM10/7/12
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Brian Gordon wrote:
> In article<5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Gary<gar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
>> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
>> downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
>> still doesn't work with that document.
>>
>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
>>
>
> Failed under FireFox, worked under Safari (Mac). Try another browser.
>
Worked with SeaMonkey and FireFox.
> In article<5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9dec...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Gary<gar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
>> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
>> downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
>> still doesn't work with that document.
>>
>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
>>
>
> Failed under FireFox, worked under Safari (Mac). Try another browser.
>
in Preferences Applications set Pdf to be opened by Acrobat, Reader, or
PDFBrowser Plugin. or Preview.
NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
Joe Dee
Oct 7, 2012, 8:22:34 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 19:44:42 -0400, PhillipJones wrote
(in article <k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>):
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
No problem here; DL'd with Safari, opens fine with Preview. I've never had a
problem opening a PDF with preview.
--
Joe Dee
Among those whom I like or admire, I can findï¿œno common denominator,
but among thoseï¿œwhom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
ￜ ￜ-- WH Auden
(in article <k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>):
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
problem opening a PDF with preview.
--
Joe Dee
Among those whom I like or admire, I can findï¿œno common denominator,
but among thoseï¿œwhom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
ￜ ￜ-- WH Auden
Wes Groleau
Oct 7, 2012, 9:01:29 PM10/7/12
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On 10-07-2012 19:44, PhillipJones wrote:
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
I do it often. And about half the time, I open it again in Preview with
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
NO problem. I also often (after verifying I have the right file with
Preview) put them in iBook on iPad. They work fine there as well.
--
Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A
principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
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PhillipJones
Oct 7, 2012, 11:40:27 PM10/7/12
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Lewis wrote:
> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
>
I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
I said PDF *Forms*.
Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
you can even get it open.
I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
open. DOA
> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>
> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>
>
I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
I said PDF *Forms*.
Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
you can even get it open.
I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
open. DOA
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nospam
Oct 8, 2012, 12:15:44 AM10/8/12
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In article <k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
matter what it is.
however, preview will not properly render all pdfs since apple's pdf
implementation is not fully compliant with the spec.
if you want 100% compatibility, adobe acrobat reader is the only way.
<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
nonsense. opening a file in preview will not corrupt the file, no
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
matter what it is.
however, preview will not properly render all pdfs since apple's pdf
implementation is not fully compliant with the spec.
if you want 100% compatibility, adobe acrobat reader is the only way.
nospam
Oct 8, 2012, 12:15:45 AM10/8/12
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In article <k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> you can even get it open.
i must be lucky, since it works just fine.
the only problem is form support in preview is pretty bad. some forms
don't work properly, but the file is not corrupted.
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
> open. DOA
bullshit.
<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
you said pdf format.
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> you can even get it open.
the only problem is form support in preview is pretty bad. some forms
don't work properly, but the file is not corrupted.
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
> open. DOA
Paul Sture
Oct 8, 2012, 12:26:19 AM10/8/12
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> Lewis wrote:
> > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
Now it's clear thanks. What you actually wrote was "PDF format"
> > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> you can even get it open.
>
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
> open. DOA
too.
--
Paul Sture
Gary
Oct 8, 2012, 6:03:28 AM10/8/12
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I'm the original poster.
My wife downloaded the same document on her PC, then sent it to me via
Dropbox. That worked fine. Now I have a proper copy of it.
It looks as if Safari might be the problem. Surprises me, because I
usually find Safari pretty terrific for wide ranges of jobs. But this
one certainly failed.
My wife downloaded the same document on her PC, then sent it to me via
Dropbox. That worked fine. Now I have a proper copy of it.
It looks as if Safari might be the problem. Surprises me, because I
usually find Safari pretty terrific for wide ranges of jobs. But this
one certainly failed.
Tom Stiller
Oct 8, 2012, 9:24:44 AM10/8/12
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> Lewis wrote:
> > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
>
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> you can even get it open.
So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >
>
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
>
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> you can even get it open.
However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
surprise there.
My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
purposes.
>
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
> open. DOA
--
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
Barry Margolin
Oct 8, 2012, 9:41:41 AM10/8/12
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In article <tom_stiller-EC54...@news.individual.net>,
you opened the form was to fill it out and save the result. Although
many I've filled out forms just to print the result, not save it.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones <pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Lewis wrote:
> > > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> > >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > >
> > > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> > >
> >
> > I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > I said PDF *Forms*.
> >
> > Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> > you can even get it open.
>
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> surprise there.
Since he meant to say "form", his obvious assumption was that the reason
> In article <k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones <pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Lewis wrote:
> > > In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> > > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> > >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > >
> > > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> > >
> >
> > I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > I said PDF *Forms*.
> >
> > Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> > you can even get it open.
>
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> surprise there.
you opened the form was to fill it out and save the result. Although
many I've filled out forms just to print the result, not save it.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
Patty Winter
Oct 8, 2012, 12:33:40 PM10/8/12
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>The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
>format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
>downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
>still doesn't work with that document.
Have you tried Preview?
>format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
>downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
>still doesn't work with that document.
I've encountered the opposite problem. I have a Garmin GPS receiver
manual that comes up blank in Preview but displays just fine in Adobe
Reader. But usually Preview works just fine, so give it a try.
Patty
PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 2:01:10 PM10/8/12
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PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 2:02:53 PM10/8/12
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Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Lewis wrote:
>>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
>>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>>
>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>>>
>>
>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>>
>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>> you can even get it open.
>
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> surprise there.
>
> My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> purposes.
True as long as you alter nothing.
> In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Lewis wrote:
>>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
>>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>>
>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>>>
>>
>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>>
>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>> you can even get it open.
>
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> surprise there.
>
> My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> purposes.
>
>>
>> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>>
>> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
>> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
>> open. DOA
>
--
>>
>> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>>
>> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
>> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
>> open. DOA
>
--
Tom Stiller
Oct 8, 2012, 2:38:31 PM10/8/12
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In article <k4v4gd$n2i$2...@news.albasani.net>,
re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
is intact.
You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
PhillipJones <pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>>
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >>
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> >
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> >
> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>>
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >>
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> >
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> >
> > if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
>
> True as long as you alter nothing.
I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
>
> True as long as you alter nothing.
re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
is intact.
You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
nospam
Oct 8, 2012, 2:50:13 PM10/8/12
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In article <tom_stiller-0F4D...@news.individual.net>, Tom
unable to read it in other apps.
the only problem is that preview can't handle all types of pdf forms
because it's not fully compliant which is a different problem entirely.
it's also something that will never be fixed.
Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> > >>
> > >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> > >> you can even get it open.
> > >
> > > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > > surprise there.
> > >
> > > if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > > purposes.
> >
> > True as long as you alter nothing.
>
> I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
> is intact.
> You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
so have i, and have had *no* problems with file corruption or being
> > >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> > >>
> > >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> > >> you can even get it open.
> > >
> > > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > > surprise there.
> > >
> > > if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > > purposes.
> >
> > True as long as you alter nothing.
>
> I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
> is intact.
> You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
unable to read it in other apps.
the only problem is that preview can't handle all types of pdf forms
because it's not fully compliant which is a different problem entirely.
it's also something that will never be fixed.
Barry Margolin
Oct 8, 2012, 3:03:31 PM10/8/12
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> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>>
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >>
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> >
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> >
> > My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
>
> True as long as you alter nothing.
How do you fill out a form without altering anything?
> > In article<k4thvc$guj$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr0$1...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>>
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >>
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> >
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> >
> > My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
>
> True as long as you alter nothing.
PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 7:39:06 PM10/8/12
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Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4v4gd$n2i$2...@news.albasani.net>,
Well I have tried several time to prove the point to myself and it does
happen every time I have save an altered PDF Form, Altered by Preview,
they failed.
> In article<k4v4gd$n2i$2...@news.albasani.net>,
happen every time I have save an altered PDF Form, Altered by Preview,
they failed.
PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 7:46:39 PM10/8/12
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Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4v4gd$n2i$2...@news.albasani.net>,
See this Link:
http://answers.acrobatusers.com/Why-fillable-pdf-created-PC-filled-Apple-opened-PC-blank-q23795.aspx
And:
http://kb2.adobe.com/community/publishing/885/cpsid_88564.html
> In article<k4v4gd$n2i$2...@news.albasani.net>,
http://answers.acrobatusers.com/Why-fillable-pdf-created-PC-filled-Apple-opened-PC-blank-q23795.aspx
And:
http://kb2.adobe.com/community/publishing/885/cpsid_88564.html
PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 7:48:34 PM10/8/12
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subject. Both of the links are directly from Adobe.
Tom Stiller
Oct 8, 2012, 8:58:17 PM10/8/12
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PhillipJones
Oct 8, 2012, 10:43:08 PM10/8/12
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Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4vo6q$10t$1...@news.albasani.net>,
it wouldn't.
I posted some interesting URL's from Adobe on the subject.
> In article<k4vo6q$10t$1...@news.albasani.net>,
I posted some interesting URL's from Adobe on the subject.
Oliver Jennrich
Oct 9, 2012, 10:08:19 AM10/9/12
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PhillipJones <pjon...@comcast.net> writes:
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
I do not understand how *opening* a file can 'ruin' any file. Apart from
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
that, I never ever saw that sort of problem.
--
Space - The final frontier
Oliver Jennrich
Oct 9, 2012, 10:10:00 AM10/9/12
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Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> writes:
> Oliver Jennrich wrote:
>> Gary <gar...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
> Oliver Jennrich wrote:
>> Gary <gar...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
>>> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader.
>>
>>> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader.
>>
>> http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/10050.pdf
>>
>> works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
>>
>>
>> works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
>>
>>> So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X).
>>> It still doesn't work with that document.
>>>
>>> It still doesn't work with that document.
>>>
>>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
>>
>>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
>>
>> What exactly has that to do with mac.apps?
>
> Is Adobe Reader then not a Mac app?
As I read the OP, he complains about a perceived infinite iteration
>
> Is Adobe Reader then not a Mac app?
between Adobe and Medicare.
Barry Margolin
Oct 9, 2012, 5:27:47 PM10/9/12
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In article <yg1fw5n...@ID-371.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Please catch up on the thread. He clarified that he was talking about
filling in a form, not just opening the file.
filling in a form, not just opening the file.
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