OpenOffice.org beta 3 is now available for testing by the those who like to live dangerously.
For the first time OO.o is now a native Mac application, no more need for X11.
<Quote> Mac OS X Support: With Version 3.0, OpenOffice.org is now able to run on Mac OS X without the need for X11. Thus, OpenOffice.org behaves like any other Aqua application. The cool thing is, while the market leading office suite vendor dropped VBA support and the Solver feature, OpenOffice.org recently introduced limited VBA support and includes a powerful Solver component. In addition, OpenOffice.org integrates well with the Mac OS X accessibility APIs, and thus offers better accessibility support than many other Mac OS X applications. </Quote>
In article <Xns9A9A7ABE4840Aemtee...@85.214.90.236>, Mike Dee <emtee...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> OpenOffice.org beta 3 is now available for testing by the those who > like to live dangerously.
I downloaded it and tried it out. Using 10.5.2 and my multi-plane income tax spreadsheet (i.e. something nice and complicated to start with) as test material. After switching from one sheet to another, OO3.0 started blanking out some of the sheets (i.e. cells showed but no more data values). I have to quit and re-open the file to get the data back.
In other words, it's really not ready for prime time yet (it is still a beta), so NeoOffice will be around for a while. I'm eagerly looking forward to Aqua OpenOffice's inevitable debut in a working (and faster) invocation.
I've already donated to NeoOffice and I will do so for OpenOffice when it comes out. I'm grateful to both projects for making such diverse and capable facilities available for free.
> OpenOffice.org beta 3 is now available for testing by the those who > like to live dangerously.
> For the first time OO.o is now a native Mac application, no more > need for X11.
> <Quote> > Mac OS X Support: > With Version 3.0, OpenOffice.org is now able to run on Mac OS X > without the need for X11. Thus, OpenOffice.org behaves like any > other Aqua application. The cool thing is, while the market leading > office suite vendor dropped VBA support and the Solver feature, > OpenOffice.org recently introduced limited VBA support and includes > a powerful Solver component. In addition, OpenOffice.org integrates > well with the Mac OS X accessibility APIs, and thus offers better > accessibility support than many other Mac OS X applications. > </Quote>
> In article <Xns9A9A7ABE4840Aemtee...@85.214.90.236>, > Mike Dee <emtee...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> OpenOffice.org beta 3 is now available for testing by the those who >> like to live dangerously.
>> For the first time OO.o is now a native Mac application, no more >> need for X11.
>> <Quote> >> Mac OS X Support: >> With Version 3.0, OpenOffice.org is now able to run on Mac OS X >> without the need for X11. Thus, OpenOffice.org behaves like any >> other Aqua application. The cool thing is, while the market leading >> office suite vendor dropped VBA support and the Solver feature, >> OpenOffice.org recently introduced limited VBA support and includes >> a powerful Solver component. In addition, OpenOffice.org integrates >> well with the Mac OS X accessibility APIs, and thus offers better >> accessibility support than many other Mac OS X applications. >> </Quote>
On Fri, 09 May 2008 20:39:58 -0700, William Yeo wrote: > I downloaded it and tried it out. Using 10.5.2 and my multi-plane income > tax spreadsheet (i.e. something nice and complicated to start with) as > test material. After switching from one sheet to another, OO3.0 started > blanking out some of the sheets (i.e. cells showed but no more data > values). I have to quit and re-open the file to get the data back.
Great test. I hope that you also submit bug reports ;-)
My requirements for using an Office suite are mostly Text and Draw centric. So far I haven't struck any issues, but today is the first time that I've had to try the new beta. I'm looking forward to the RC's.
> In other words, it's really not ready for prime time yet (it is still a > beta), so NeoOffice will be around for a while. I'm eagerly looking > forward to Aqua OpenOffice's inevitable debut in a working (and faster) > invocation.
I think September this year is when it finally will go gold. All is on track to date AFAIK.
> I've already donated to NeoOffice and I will do so for OpenOffice when > it comes out. I'm grateful to both projects for making such diverse and > capable facilities available for free.
This is one project that deserves such support too.. Thanks for the input.
> It still has a look and feel that is inspired by Microsoft and Sun > Microsystems :(
Really? One thing that struck me as being very Mac-like was the new OOo "Start Center". Which I though was a direct ClarisWorks/AppleWorks look-alike for choosing what module you want to work in.
But basically it uses the Mac API etc etc... It now opens, closes, prints and saves like any other Mac program, so I'm not really sure where you're coming from.
Mike Dee wrote: > Really? One thing that struck me as being very Mac-like was the new OOo > "Start Center". Which I though was a direct ClarisWorks/AppleWorks > look-alike for choosing what module you want to work in.
There was a (less-polished) start centre in 2.x as well-- some Linux/Unix distros use it as the default startup window, but you don't normally see it on the Mac.
You can probably bring it up it with "soffice slot:5500" in a terminal, if you can find the soffice binary (should be in the Open Office app bundle somewhere).
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 21:56:03 -0700, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > It still has a look and feel that is inspired by Microsoft and Sun > > Microsystems :(
Which is understandable, what with it being created initially by a mob of German engineers looking to functionally replace MS Office without the high price.
Just a few words here... The Openoffice Aqua is still only an alpha version, - not even a beta.:-)
but when this said, I can only say that the last build of OpenOffice 3.0 Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and 10.5.2.
It is more that three times as fast as NeoOffice and more than twice as fast than both MSOffice 2004 and 2008! - And until now i haven't had a single 'unexpected quit' with the last two builds of OOo3.0. - Also the fonts handling is quite a lot better than in NeoOffice and MSO2004/2008. - I have apprx. 1550 fonts active in my main set, and apprx. 23.000 fonts on the HD - all 100% managed by Linotype Fontexplorer.
So now printing with quite a lot of various fonts and various typefaces within the same font is just like a dream, though the OOo crew still tells us that printing can be a problem.:-)
So what can't we expect, when first OpenOffice 3.0 Final is released? - Mmmmm.... I can hardly wait.:-)
cheers, Erik Richard
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> >> OpenOffice.org beta 3 is now available for testing by the those who > >> like to live dangerously.
> >> For the first time OO.o is now a native Mac application, no more > >> need for X11.
> >> <Quote> > >> Mac OS X Support: > >> With Version 3.0, OpenOffice.org is now able to run on Mac OS X > >> without the need for X11. Thus, OpenOffice.org behaves like any > >> other Aqua application. The cool thing is, while the market leading > >> office suite vendor dropped VBA support and the Solver feature, > >> OpenOffice.org recently introduced limited VBA support and includes > >> a powerful Solver component. In addition, OpenOffice.org integrates > >> well with the Mac OS X accessibility APIs, and thus offers better > >> accessibility support than many other Mac OS X applications. > >> </Quote>
> > It still has a look and feel that is inspired by Microsoft and Sun > > Microsystems :(
> Very fortunately!
LOL!
I've always thought of the MS Office GUI as being a jumbo-jet cockpit with half the knobs missing. A Sun GUI looks like ancient machinery made of mystery, cut stone, and deadly booby-traps.
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Calum <com.gm...@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote: > Mike Dee wrote:
> > Really? One thing that struck me as being very Mac-like was the new OOo > > "Start Center". Which I though was a direct ClarisWorks/AppleWorks > > look-alike for choosing what module you want to work in.
> There was a (less-polished) start centre in 2.x as well-- some > Linux/Unix distros use it as the default startup window, but you don't > normally see it on the Mac.
> You can probably bring it up it with "soffice slot:5500" in a terminal, > if you can find the soffice binary (should be in the Open Office app > bundle somewhere).
So any news re OO.o 3 as to whether they're finally going to get a "Normal View" or equivalent option installed? This serious lack (issue 4914 IIRC) has been around forever.
On 2008-05-10 20:35:35 -0400, Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> said:
> Just a few words here... The Openoffice Aqua is still only an alpha > version, - not even a beta.:-) > but when this said, I can only say that the last build of OpenOffice 3.0 > Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as > well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and 10.5.2.
Download en-US Installation Sets from here: Linux (rpm) 157 MB Linux (rpm) with JRE 176 MB Linux (deb) 157 MB SolarisSparc with JRE 197 MB Solarisx86 with JRE 180 MB Windows with JRE 145 MB MacOSXIntel Aqua 168 MB
I don't see any PPC binary here.
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F.Robert Falbo <rfal...@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > On 2008-05-10 20:35:35 -0400, Erik Richard S?rensen > <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> said: [...] >> OpenOffice 3.0 Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X >> 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and >> 10.5.2.
> Download en-US Installation Sets from here: [...] > MacOSXIntel Aqua 168 MB
> I don't see any PPC binary here.
I haven't been able to locate a PPC binary either :-( I hope Erik can come back with a link to one if it exists.
Mike Dee <emtee...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > F.Robert Falbo <rfal...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > On 2008-05-10 20:35:35 -0400, Erik Richard S?rensen > > <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> said: > [...] > >> OpenOffice 3.0 Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X > >> 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and > >> 10.5.2.
> > Download en-US Installation Sets from here: > [...] > > MacOSXIntel Aqua 168 MB
> > I don't see any PPC binary here.
> I haven't been able to locate a PPC binary either :-( > I hope Erik can come back with a link to one if it exists.
There is a non-Aqua one (at least a Danish language one).
A google search for "OOo_3.0.0beta_MacOSXPowerPC_install_da.dmg" finds it.
F.Robert Falbo wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen said: >> Just a few words here... The Openoffice Aqua is still only an alpha >> version, - not even a beta.:-) >> but when this said, I can only say that the last build of OpenOffice 3.0 >> Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as >> well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and 10.5.2.
> Download en-US Installation Sets from here: > Linux (rpm) 157 MB > Linux (rpm) with JRE 176 MB > Linux (deb) 157 MB > SolarisSparc with JRE 197 MB > Solarisx86 with JRE 180 MB > Windows with JRE 145 MB > MacOSXIntel Aqua 168 MB
OK, - just more more experience... In the folder Application Support in your username/library/application support folder, you may have more than one folder called OpenOffice, if you previously have been working with alpha and beta versions of the varius main releases of OOoAqua or have been using the X11 version of OOo.
1- The folder used by X11/OpenOffice 2.x is called 'OpenOffice.org' 2- The folder used by the first alpha ver. of OOo3.0 is called 'OpenOffice.org2' 3- The folder used by the 2nd rel. of OOo3.0 is called 'OOo.org-dev' 4- The new from the latest ver. of OOo3.0 is called 'OpenOffice.org-aqua'
If you have 1, 2 & 3, delete 2 & 3 before opening the latest OOo3.0 version. This results in that the new Aqua ver. will 'import' the settings from the X11 ver. of OOo and create the new folder called 'OpenOffice.org-aqua' - and all prefs settings available in OOo3.0Aqua are set as they are in X11/OOo - such as default fonts, margins, colors, printer settings, etc.. New OOoAqua settings possibilities are of course not set....
NOTE. "OOo_3.0.0_080314_MacOSXPowerPC" doesnot work on G3 machines running OS X 10.3.x. - BUT - it runs on G4s running 10.3.9, - but it is slow - slower than the X11 version.
Cheers, Erik Richard
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>>> On 2008-05-10 20:35:35 -0400, Erik Richard S?rensen >>> <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> said: >> [...] >>>> OpenOffice 3.0 Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X >>>> 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and >>>> 10.5.2. >>> Download en-US Installation Sets from here: >> [...] >>> MacOSXIntel Aqua 168 MB
>>> I don't see any PPC binary here. >> I haven't been able to locate a PPC binary either :-( >> I hope Erik can come back with a link to one if it exists.
> There is a non-Aqua one (at least a Danish language one).
> A google search for "OOo_3.0.0beta_MacOSXPowerPC_install_da.dmg" finds > it.
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> So any news re OO.o 3 as to whether they're finally going to get a > "Normal View" or equivalent option installed? This serious lack (issue > 4914 IIRC) has been around forever.
Just out of curiosity --- what would a "normal" view be?
> > So any news re OO.o 3 as to whether they're finally going to get a > > "Normal View" or equivalent option installed? This serious lack (issue > > 4914 IIRC) has been around forever.
> Just out of curiosity --- what would a "normal" view be?
mmmm.... have you ever used Microsoft Word, or any of the now-dead word processing apps?
"Normal View" shows you just the body of the document as a continuous sheet. No headers, no footers, no annoying grey space between pages or to the left/right. This view lets you do the job you should be doing :-), i.e. editing the content of the document.
Once that is done, it makes sense to switch to "Print Layout View" or whatever various apps call it, so you can do the actual galley layout in WYSIWYG display.
Carl Witthoft wrote: > "Normal View" shows you just the body of the document as a continuous > sheet. No headers, no footers, no annoying grey space between pages or > to the left/right. This view lets you do the job you should be doing > :-), i.e. editing the content of the document.
Is that really so much different from OOo's "Web Layout" view?
On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:56:29 +0200, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote: > Niels Jørgen Kruse wrote: [...] >> There is a non-Aqua one (at least a Danish language one).
>> A google search for "OOo_3.0.0beta_MacOSXPowerPC_install_da.dmg" finds >> it.
Many thanks Neils for the hints and Erik for the correct link for me, also for the excellent advice on removing the extra "OpenOffice.org2" library file.
Installation went without issue and OOo is now running native on my old G4/DA :-)
> Many thanks Neils for the hints and Erik for the correct link for me, also > for the excellent advice on removing the extra "OpenOffice.org2" library > file.
> Installation went without issue and OOo is now running native on my > old G4/DA :-)
Good to hear it's working. - I've just finished setting up an old QuickSilver 800mhz ready for further installs of programs, but it's getting too late for me now. - it's in the middle of the night - or early in the morning, and I have to get some sleep..-)
cheers, Erik Richard
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Calum <com.gm...@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote: > Carl Witthoft wrote:
> > "Normal View" shows you just the body of the document as a continuous > > sheet. No headers, no footers, no annoying grey space between pages or > > to the left/right. This view lets you do the job you should be doing > > :-), i.e. editing the content of the document.
> Is that really so much different from OOo's "Web Layout" view?
Yes, though web view is closer than regular page view. Web view spreads the layout way across the page and IIRC you lose tabs and margins and other basic spacial formatting. Normal view leaves you with just what you need to enter text and do basic formatting without all the wasted space of page view. It can speed up editing significantly. Normal view is very similar to the (default) formatted text view in TextEdit, but you have access to all the power of a full word processor like Word or NeoOffice.
On Sun, 11 May 2008 02:35:35 +0200, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote: > Just a few words here... The Openoffice Aqua is still only an alpha > version, - not even a beta.:-)
> but when this said, I can only say that the last build of OpenOffice 3.0 > Aqua is running very, very stable on both OS X 10.4.11PPC/10.5.2PPC as > well as on a MacPro with both 10.4.11 and 10.5.2.
PPC? I could only locate binaries for Intel CPUs. I have an old dp digital audio model I would like to run this on too. Do you have a link to PPC binaries also?
> It is more that three times as fast as NeoOffice and more than twice as > fast than both MSOffice 2004 and 2008! - And until now i haven't had a > single 'unexpected quit' with the last two builds of OOo3.0.
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> So what can't we expect, when first OpenOffice 3.0 Final is released? - > Mmmmm.... I can hardly wait.:-)
Editing PDF created in other programs is one thing that I look forward to. Many thanks for your post, Erik.
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