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Robert Peirce
Oct 24, 2012, 8:14:06 AM10/24/12
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I have messages set up to open when I log on. Often it puts up a panel
saying there was some sort of unidentified error and that I need to quit
and restart messages. However, this morning, before I could click quit
it came up properly. There was no option not to quit so I did and
restarted the app. However, I am wondering what is going on here. Is
there some problem putting Messages.app in your startup list?
saying there was some sort of unidentified error and that I need to quit
and restart messages. However, this morning, before I could click quit
it came up properly. There was no option not to quit so I did and
restarted the app. However, I am wondering what is going on here. Is
there some problem putting Messages.app in your startup list?
Tom Stiller
Oct 24, 2012, 9:39:14 AM10/24/12
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In article <bob-49D88E.0...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
My wife's machine is connected wirelessly and sometimes, on awakening
from sleep, it sometimes does not establish connectivity fast enough for
messages which produces an error.
--
PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
from sleep, it sometimes does not establish connectivity fast enough for
messages which produces an error.
--
PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
Robert Peirce
Oct 24, 2012, 12:32:43 PM10/24/12
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In article <tom_stiller-FA7F...@news.individual.net>,
works and sometimes not. Is there anything that can be done about it
short of just removing it from my startup list?
Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My wife's machine is connected wirelessly and sometimes, on awakening
> from sleep, it sometimes does not establish connectivity fast enough for
> messages which produces an error.
That sounds like my problem, a MBP connected wirelessly. Sometimes it
> My wife's machine is connected wirelessly and sometimes, on awakening
> from sleep, it sometimes does not establish connectivity fast enough for
> messages which produces an error.
works and sometimes not. Is there anything that can be done about it
short of just removing it from my startup list?
Tom Stiller
Oct 24, 2012, 1:22:39 PM10/24/12
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In article <bob-AA4E96.1...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
Some have reported that the order of startup apps can be controlled, but
I have not found that to be the case.
It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
I have not found that to be the case.
It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
Robert Peirce
Oct 25, 2012, 12:01:16 PM10/25/12
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In article <tom_stiller-FAA5...@news.individual.net>,
etc, with no luck.
> Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
> delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
> been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
I didn't know that. How did you use it? Maybe they will bring it back.
With Messages I began to develop a theory of why my Drobo S sometimes
would screw up login. There is a program called DDassist that starts
when I login. I have begun to think it starts too soon, before
something else is ready for it, but I don't know what.
Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
> far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
How do you do that? I have tried dragging them also using CMD, CTRL,
> It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
> far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
etc, with no luck.
> Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
> delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
> been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
With Messages I began to develop a theory of why my Drobo S sometimes
would screw up login. There is a program called DDassist that starts
when I login. I have begun to think it starts too soon, before
something else is ready for it, but I don't know what.
Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
Robert Peirce
Oct 25, 2012, 12:19:46 PM10/25/12
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In article <bob-71E9CE.1...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
# delay starting some apps during login
sleep 120
open /Applications/Messages.app
open /Applications/Drobo\ Dashboard.app/Contents/Resources/DDAssist.app
This works but it turns out DDAssist is to assist Drobo Dashboard.app
and has nothing to do with actually mounting the drives. OTOH, DD does
connect to the drives somehow, so this may actually be beneficial.
Unfortunately, the random nature of this problem makes it pretty much
unprovable if it does work. However, this is a subject for another
thread.
Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
> these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
> list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
Yes, it is!
> Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
> these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
> list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
# delay starting some apps during login
sleep 120
open /Applications/Messages.app
open /Applications/Drobo\ Dashboard.app/Contents/Resources/DDAssist.app
This works but it turns out DDAssist is to assist Drobo Dashboard.app
and has nothing to do with actually mounting the drives. OTOH, DD does
connect to the drives somehow, so this may actually be beneficial.
Unfortunately, the random nature of this problem makes it pretty much
unprovable if it does work. However, this is a subject for another
thread.
Tom Stiller
Oct 25, 2012, 4:32:04 PM10/25/12
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In article <bob-71E9CE.1...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
[free] TinkerTool utility seems to do the trick.
declare services it provided and those which it needed for execution. It
may have been abandoned because of the possibility for deadlock (just a
guess).
Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> In article <tom_stiller-FAA5...@news.individual.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
> > far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
>
> How do you do that? I have tried dragging them also using CMD, CTRL,
> etc, with no luck.
I couldn't get them to "stick" from the System Preferences but the
> In article <tom_stiller-FAA5...@news.individual.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tom_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It's true that one can set the order in the "Logon Items" pane but as
> > far as I know, there is no way to control the actual process execution.
>
> How do you do that? I have tried dragging them also using CMD, CTRL,
> etc, with no luck.
[free] TinkerTool utility seems to do the trick.
>
> > Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
> > delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
> > been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
>
> I didn't know that. How did you use it? Maybe they will bring it back.
I've only seen it used is system startup where the startup item would
> > Earlier versions of MacOS had a way of specifying "prerequisites" to
> > delay execution of dependent processes until the proper conditions had
> > been satisfied. I don't know why the practice was abandoned.
>
> I didn't know that. How did you use it? Maybe they will bring it back.
declare services it provided and those which it needed for execution. It
may have been abandoned because of the possibility for deadlock (just a
guess).
>
> With Messages I began to develop a theory of why my Drobo S sometimes
> would screw up login. There is a program called DDassist that starts
> when I login. I have begun to think it starts too soon, before
> something else is ready for it, but I don't know what.
>
> Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
> these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
> list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
I can't offer any help there.
> With Messages I began to develop a theory of why my Drobo S sometimes
> would screw up login. There is a program called DDassist that starts
> when I login. I have begun to think it starts too soon, before
> something else is ready for it, but I don't know what.
>
> Might it be possible to build a wrapper that would delay startup of
> these apps for a couple of minutes? You could put that in your login
> list instead of the apps themselves. I'll have to try that.
Robert Peirce
Oct 25, 2012, 5:12:47 PM10/25/12
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In article <bob-A50B1B.1...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
script? This script leaves an open window behind. I can close it, but
I would like to make it automatic.
Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> # delay starting some apps during login
>
> sleep 120
>
> open /Applications/Messages.app
> open /Applications/Drobo\ Dashboard.app/Contents/Resources/DDAssist.app
>
> This works
Is there a "close window" command that can be imbedded in a shell
> # delay starting some apps during login
>
> sleep 120
>
> open /Applications/Messages.app
> open /Applications/Drobo\ Dashboard.app/Contents/Resources/DDAssist.app
>
> This works
script? This script leaves an open window behind. I can close it, but
I would like to make it automatic.
Robert Peirce
Oct 25, 2012, 6:07:37 PM10/25/12
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In article <bob-3A48E0.1...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
It turns out there is a shell preference -- Close if the shell exits
cleanly. It appears you also have to set "Prompt before closing" to
Never. At any rate. I used this setting and the startup apps were
delayed and the window closed after they started.
cleanly. It appears you also have to set "Prompt before closing" to
Never. At any rate. I used this setting and the startup apps were
delayed and the window closed after they started.
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