The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It still doesn't work with that document.
How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
Gary <gary...@hotmail.com> writes:
> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader.
works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
> So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X).
> It still doesn't work with that document.
> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
> works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
>> So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X).
>> It still doesn't work with that document.
>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
In article <5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9deca...@news.astraweb.com>,
Gary <gary...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf >format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I >downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It >still doesn't work with that document.
>How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd >say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd >probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
Failed under FireFox, worked under Safari (Mac). Try another browser.
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>> works without any problem with Preview and Adobe Acrobat Pro (v 10.4.1)
>>> So I downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X).
>>> It still doesn't work with that document.
>>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
>> What exactly has that to do with mac.apps?
> Is Adobe Reader then not a Mac app?
> Paul Magnussen
Works for Me. Same book I mother received in the Mail a few days ago
Brian Gordon wrote:
> In article<5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9deca...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Gary<gary...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf
>> format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I
>> downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It
>> still doesn't work with that document.
>> How much would you be willing to bet that if I called Medicare, they'd
>> say the reader is probably no good, and if I called Adobe they'd
>> probably say the Medicare pdf is flawed?
> Failed under FireFox, worked under Safari (Mac). Try another browser.
Worked with SeaMonkey and FireFox.
in Preferences Applications set Pdf to be opened by Acrobat, Reader, or PDFBrowser Plugin. or Preview.
NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 19:44:42 -0400, PhillipJones wrote
(in article <k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>):
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will > ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
No problem here; DL'd with Safari, opens fine with Preview. I've never had a problem opening a PDF with preview.
-- Joe Dee
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
-- WH Auden
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
I do it often. And about half the time, I open it again in Preview with NO problem. I also often (after verifying I have the right file with Preview) put them in iBook on iPad. They work fine there as well.
-- Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
Lewis wrote:
> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
I said PDF *Forms*.
Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if you can even get it open.
I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave, the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even open. DOA
In article <k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will > ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
nonsense. opening a file in preview will not corrupt the file, no
matter what it is.
however, preview will not properly render all pdfs since apple's pdf
implementation is not fully compliant with the spec.
if you want 100% compatibility, adobe acrobat reader is the only way.
In article <k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
you said pdf format.
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if > you can even get it open.
i must be lucky, since it works just fine.
the only problem is form support in preview is pretty bad. some forms
don't work properly, but the file is not corrupted.
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave, > the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even > open. DOA
PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
> > In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
Now it's clear thanks. What you actually wrote was "PDF format"
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if > you can even get it open.
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave, > the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even > open. DOA
I had problems with PDF forms and Preview back in Panther / Tiger days too.
My wife downloaded the same document on her PC, then sent it to me via Dropbox. That worked fine. Now I have a proper copy of it.
It looks as if Safari might be the problem. Surprises me, because I usually find Safari pretty terrific for wide ranges of jobs. But this one certainly failed.
PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
> > In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> I said PDF *Forms*.
> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if > you can even get it open.
So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no surprise there.
My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my purposes.
> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave, > the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even > open. DOA
-- PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
> In article <k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Lewis wrote:
> > > In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> > > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> > >> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> > > Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> > I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > I said PDF *Forms*.
> > Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if > > you can even get it open.
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no > surprise there.
Since he meant to say "form", his obvious assumption was that the reason you opened the form was to fill it out and save the result. Although many I've filled out forms just to print the result, not save it.
-- Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
In article <5071f0e2$0$44656$c3e8da3$9deca...@news.astraweb.com>,
Gary <gary...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The medicare.gov contains the book "Medicare and You 2013" in pdf >format. I downloaded it. It didn't work with my Adobe reader. So I >downloaded and installed the most current Adobe reader (vsn X). It >still doesn't work with that document.
Have you tried Preview?
I've encountered the opposite problem. I have a Garmin GPS receiver
manual that comes up blank in Preview but displays just fine in Adobe
Reader. But usually Preview works just fine, so give it a try.
nospam wrote:
> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
> <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>> I said PDF *Forms*.
> you said pdf format.
>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>> you can even get it open.
> i must be lucky, since it works just fine.
> the only problem is form support in preview is pretty bad. some forms
> don't work properly, but the file is not corrupted.
>> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
>> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
>> open. DOA
> bullshit.
Go read on the Acrobat forums from Adobe about this problem.
Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Lewis wrote:
>>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>> you can even get it open.
> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> surprise there.
> My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> purposes.
True as long as you alter nothing.
>> I've tried it and they preach about the on Adobe Forums for acrobat.
>> As long as you open and look your fine. The second you alter and resave,
>> the form is no longer usable in Reader or Acrobat. Often it won't even
>> open. DOA
PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> > if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
> True as long as you alter nothing.
I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved, re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything is intact.
You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
-- PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
Stiller <tom_stil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> > >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> > >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> > >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> > >> you can even get it open.
> > > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > > surprise there.
> > > if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > > purposes.
> > True as long as you alter nothing.
> I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved, > re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything > is intact.
> You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
so have i, and have had *no* problems with file corruption or being
unable to read it in other apps.
the only problem is that preview can't handle all types of pdf forms
because it's not fully compliant which is a different problem entirely.
it's also something that will never be fixed.
PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Lewis wrote:
> >>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> >>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >> you can even get it open.
> > So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> > However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> > surprise there.
> > My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> > with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> > purposes.
> True as long as you alter nothing.
How do you fill out a form without altering anything?
-- Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4v4gd$n2...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Tom Stiller wrote:
>>> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
>>>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>>>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>>>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>>>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>>>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>>>> you can even get it open.
>>> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
>>> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
>>> surprise there.
>>> if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
>>> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
>>> purposes.
>> True as long as you alter nothing.
> I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
> is intact.
> You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
Well I have tried several time to prove the point to myself and it does happen every time I have save an altered PDF Form, Altered by Preview, they failed.
Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article<k4v4gd$n2...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Tom Stiller wrote:
>>> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
>>>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>>>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>>>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>>>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>>>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>>>> you can even get it open.
>>> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
>>> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
>>> surprise there.
>>> if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
>>> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
>>> purposes.
>> True as long as you alter nothing.
> I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
> is intact.
> You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article<k4v4gd$n2...@news.albasani.net>,
> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Tom Stiller wrote:
>>> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
>>>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
>>>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
>>>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
>>>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
>>>> I said PDF *Forms*.
>>>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
>>>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
>>>> you can even get it open.
>>> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
>>> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
>>> surprise there.
>>> My experience is that if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
>>> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
>>> purposes.
>> True as long as you alter nothing.
> How do you fill out a form without altering anything?
Excatly you can't see links I have on subject in another thread in this subject. Both of the links are directly from Adobe.
PhillipJones <pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article<k4v4gd$n2...@news.albasani.net>,
> > PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Tom Stiller wrote:
> >>> In article<k4thvc$gu...@news.albasani.net>,
> >>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> Lewis wrote:
> >>>>> In message<k4t45b$hr...@news.albasani.net>
> >>>>> PhillipJones<pjones...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> NOTE: under no circumstances open any PDF format with Preview. It will
> >>>>>> ruin the File so it not usable in Preview, Acrobat or Reader.
> >>>>> Hogwash. I've opened thousands of PDFs with Preview.
> >>>> I did not say PDF's. A standard PDF Fine.
> >>>> I said PDF *Forms*.
> >>>> Open a PDF for in Preview then type something in the form and save it.
> >>>> Then try to open in Acrobat and try to work on it. you'll be lucky if
> >>>> you can even get it open.
> >>> So, opening the PDF in Preview does _not_ cause a problem as you stated.
> >>> However _saving_ it from Preview may corrupt it for Adobe Reader; no
> >>> surprise there.
> >>> if the saved. filled-out, form file is re-opened
> >>> with Preview, everything is intact and the file can be used for my
> >>> purposes.
> >> True as long as you alter nothing.
> > I said "My experience is that ...". I have filled out forms, saved,
> > re-opened, modified and re-saved and _my experience_ is that everything
> > is intact.
> > You are in no position to comment on the veracity of that statement.
> Well I have tried several time to prove the point to myself and it does > happen every time I have save an altered PDF Form, Altered by Preview, > they failed.
And what happens when you re-open it in Preview?
-- PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
