Mail from MT-NewsWatcher is no longer working
Robert Peirce
to get sent and received fine, but mail from MT-NewsWatcher seems to
hang forever. I can copy an article and paste it into regular mail, but
that sort of defeats the purpose.
I am on 10.4.11. I don't know if it matters, but mail goes through
Verizon.
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Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid> wrote:
> I doubt this is an app problem, although it may be. Normal mail seems
> to get sent and received fine, but mail from MT-NewsWatcher seems to
> hang forever. I can copy an article and paste it into regular mail, but
> that sort of defeats the purpose.
>
> I am on 10.4.11. I don't know if it matters, but mail goes through
> Verizon.
Exactly the same thing has been happening for me (all the time) starting
suddenly some months ago, with no obvious cause. I'm using 10.4.11 and
MTNW to access a university newsserver.
I have no way to judge whether this was the result of some Apple
security patch or software upgrade, or something changing in the way my
university IT system manages its ports and authentication procedures, or
maybe my recent switch from AT&T DSL to Comcast Triple Play for Internet
access (I'm not sure that switchover was exactly when this problem first
arose; I think it actually happened earlier).
Robert Peirce
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <bob-0E584A.1...@nntp.aioe.org>,
> Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I doubt this is an app problem, although it may be. Normal mail seems
> > to get sent and received fine, but mail from MT-NewsWatcher seems to
> > hang forever. I can copy an article and paste it into regular mail, but
> > that sort of defeats the purpose.
> >
> > I am on 10.4.11. I don't know if it matters, but mail goes through
> > Verizon.
>
> More and more ISPs are using specialized ports and encryption to send
> mail. Gone are the days of an open port 25 (sendmail). My ISP and my
> backup ISP offer different ways to connect an email client and sendmail
> on my system to their email servers. Neither work with MT-Newswatcher.
> I guess the code to add the email security layers isn't there which is
> why this fails. So, I just use my email client, cut/paste the post, and
> send that way. Or I don't bother with email. Most of the addresses in
> posts are anti-spam protected or outright bogus anyway.
My Apple mail has always been set up to use outgoing server port 25. I
send mail through Verizon and when it switched on 11/3, it said I would
have no problem and I haven't with regular mail. Are you saying there
is something different about MT-NewsWatcher which is hard-wired in and
cannot be changed?
Richard Maine
> In article <vilain-A04186....@individual.net>,
> Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> > More and more ISPs are using specialized ports and encryption to send
> > mail. Gone are the days of an open port 25 (sendmail)...
>
> My Apple mail has always been set up to use outgoing server port 25. I
> send mail through Verizon and when it switched on 11/3, it said I would
> have no problem and I haven't with regular mail. Are you saying there
> is something different about MT-NewsWatcher which is hard-wired in and
> cannot be changed?
I know little about mail with MT-NW. I'll note that I was surprised just
a few weeks ago when my wife suddenly stopped being able to send email
from her store. She was using Thunderbird at the time. She has Verizon
as the ISP there. We don't use Verizon's email servers - just their ISP
services.
I was able to send mail using the same setup through the same servers
from home. On a hunch, I turned on ssl, switching from port 25
to..ahh... whatever one it is that ssl uses by default for that purpose.
Then it worked fine. I conclude that Verizon started blocking outgoing
port 25 connections. It had worked before then, and they gave me no
notice of any kind, but it sure looks like that's what happened. It
probably was a good idea fro me to switch to SSL connections there
anyway, but it would still have been nice for Verizon to at least tell
me when they started blocking something. Then again, lots of things with
Verizon "would be nice".
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Avrum Lapin
Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid> wrote:
> I doubt this is an app problem, although it may be. Normal mail seems
> to get sent and received fine, but mail from MT-NewsWatcher seems to
> hang forever. I can copy an article and paste it into regular mail, but
> that sort of defeats the purpose.
>
> I am on 10.4.11. I don't know if it matters, but mail goes through
> Verizon.
Verizon gave up newsgroups & newsservers (at least in SoCal) and so my
MT newswatcher had nothing to connect to until I changed news servers.
Now using news.solani.org.
Robert Peirce
Avrum Lapin <avru...@verizon.net> wrote:
I have been using three different servers. I used Aieo to replace
Verizon. I also use msnews.microsoft.com to keep track of RDC and
Office and gmane for OpenOffice. I am not having trouble getting news.
I am having trouble sending mail from MT-NewsWatcher.
Jean Smith
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <avrum223-4B50FC...@news.solani.org>,
> Avrum Lapin <avru...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> What does Verizon's halting of their news server (and the offering of
> news groups) have to do with being able to send mail from within
> MT-Newswatcher?
>
> I had Crapcast for about 18 months. During that time, the closed
> outbound access to port 25 at all their routers. When I switched to
> digital service, port 25 worked for while until they closed that as
> well. I was supposed to connect to port 465 and use SSL with a password
> to authenticate with my email client. That doesn't work in
> MT-Newswatcher, so I'm guessing the code isn't there to support it or
> both A2Hosting and AT&T/Yahoo are using a non-standard way of
> connecting. I can get this running with Apple's implementation of
> postfix on my system but not MT-Newswatcher. Prior ISPs had TTL or TTS
> authentication which I couldn't get to work either, so I've just given
> up.
>
> YMMV.
Mine is setup at Special/Personalities/Mail Server.
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Joe D
(in article <1j8vb3k.14r3v2y1fmzu5cN%nos...@see.signature>):
> I conclude that Verizon started blocking outgoing
> port 25 connections. It had worked before then, and they gave me no
> notice of any kind, but it sure looks like that's what happened. It
> probably was a good idea fro me to switch to SSL connections there
> anyway, but it would still have been nice for Verizon to at least tell
> me when they started blocking something. Then again, lots of things with
> Verizon "would be nice".
I got no fewer than three notifications from Verizon that they would be
making that change. The first one was six weeks before the change. This is in
the NYC area.
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Barry Margolin
Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid> wrote:
> I am having trouble sending mail from MT-NewsWatcher.
Go to Special->Personalities->Mail Server and make sure it's set to use
port 465 (with SSL) or 587 (without SSL), and that authentication is
enabled.
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Robert Peirce
Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <bob-4BDB06.2...@nntp.aioe.org>,
> Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I am having trouble sending mail from MT-NewsWatcher.
>
> Go to Special->Personalities->Mail Server and make sure it's set to use
> port 465 (with SSL) or 587 (without SSL), and that authentication is
> enabled.
That worked. Thanks. I didn't realize there was a place to set that in
MT-Newswatcher.
I was notified by Verizon a while back but didn't realize it would
affect MT-W.