Rumor: New iMacs Aug. 7
Snit
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Multiple sources have said Apple's highly anticipated iMac
revision is expected in the first week of August. The
revamped iMac will represent the first substantial upgrade
to the system since it initially adopted Intel processors in
January 2006, and will sport an entirely new brushed
aluminum enclosure.
Word of iLife's appearance in August is less certain.
Sources have said since late 2006 that the next versions of
iLife and iWork would not be released until Leopard hits
shelves, with both suites set to take advantage of new
technologies in Mac OS X 10.5.
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I have repeatedly stated I am anticipating this update with the expectation
of buying a new computer... I do hope this rumor is true!
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Peter Hayes
> <http://notes.thinksecret.com/secretnotes/0707august7.shtml>
> -----
> Multiple sources have said Apple's highly anticipated iMac
> revision is expected in the first week of August. The
> revamped iMac will represent the first substantial upgrade
> to the system since it initially adopted Intel processors in
> January 2006, and will sport an entirely new brushed
> aluminum enclosure.
Good - the white is too in your face.
> Word of iLife's appearance in August is less certain.
> Sources have said since late 2006 that the next versions of
> iLife and iWork would not be released until Leopard hits
> shelves, with both suites set to take advantage of new
> technologies in Mac OS X 10.5.
> -----
>
> I have repeatedly stated I am anticipating this update with the expectation
> of buying a new computer... I do hope this rumor is true!
Aug 7 to Oct 9 isn't too long - wait for Leopard...
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Snit
1i1fwlf.1pkgkxe1hmhucqN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/18/07 1:22 AM:
I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
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Peter Hayes
> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
> 1i1fwlf.1pkgkxe1hmhucqN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/18/07 1:22 AM:
>
> > Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://notes.thinksecret.com/secretnotes/0707august7.shtml>
> >> -----
> >> Multiple sources have said Apple's highly anticipated iMac
> >> revision is expected in the first week of August. The
> >> revamped iMac will represent the first substantial upgrade
> >> to the system since it initially adopted Intel processors in
> >> January 2006, and will sport an entirely new brushed
> >> aluminum enclosure.
> >
> > Good - the white is too in your face.
> >
> >> Word of iLife's appearance in August is less certain.
> >> Sources have said since late 2006 that the next versions of
> >> iLife and iWork would not be released until Leopard hits
> >> shelves, with both suites set to take advantage of new
> >> technologies in Mac OS X 10.5.
> >> -----
> >>
> >> I have repeatedly stated I am anticipating this update with the expectation
> >> of buying a new computer... I do hope this rumor is true!
> >
> > Aug 7 to Oct 9 isn't too long - wait for Leopard...
>
> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
Fairy nuff...
> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
Never buy V1 of anything ;-)
Mitch
<CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
Yeah, I know -- that's a common complaint. About as common as the
people who buy Windows. (hint)
What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
How about the iPhone? Any problems?
iPod shuffle?
It's fun for some to spout out aphorisms like they actually hit targets
every time -- but they have to apply to recent experience.
I don't feel an ounce of concern about getting Leopard as soon as it's
out. I have experience with other Apple system upgrades. I would have
no concern about buying AppleTV or iPhone or a new iPod design.
I would have no concern about buying any new Apple-made software.
They simply do better than the median company does.
Snit
on 7/18/07 4:34 PM:
They do better but they still have, on average, more problems with version 1
than they do with revisions. With Leopard that is, for most, not a big deal
- software is easily updated and the updates will be free. With hardware
there is more of a risk.
Joseph Crowe
> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them
were showstoppers. In fact, I remember quirks in pretty much every one
of the Apple products I've owned, going all the way back to the Apple
][+ in 1980. That said, none of them were anywhere near as frustrating
as some of the Windows quirks I've had to deal with. If you experienced
the 10.0 version of MacOS X....well, let's just say it was an
interesting experience.
>
> How about the iPhone? Any problems?
> iPod shuffle?
I don't know about the iPhone, as I have not tried it yet. I've owned
two iPods and they've been great, plus the shuffle I bought my SO. There
were some issues with my G1 iPod but nothing terrible. It died when I
leaned back on it rather forcefully in a fanny pack. But it was
serendipitous anyway as the 5Gbytes was getting to be fairly restraining.
> I don't feel an ounce of concern about getting Leopard as soon as it's
> out. I have experience with other Apple system upgrades. I would have
> no concern about buying AppleTV or iPhone or a new iPod design.
> I would have no concern about buying any new Apple-made software.
I intend to upgrade at least my MacBookPro to Leopard. The G5 iMac
may have to wait. Actually, I'm very interested in iLife's next upgrade
and possibly iWork as well. I do have a sister who is waiting for the
new iMacs to come back to the Mac fold. As of now, she's the only one
of four siblings who is using Windows as a primary platform.
>
> They simply do better than the median company does.
I think this is because Apple does both the systems and the OS.
That's a luxury in today's world.....the other UNIX based systems
have fallen on hard times...SGI, Sun et al.
Snit
Ugzni.23293$Rw1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net on 7/18/07 6:39 PM:
> Mitch wrote:
>> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
>>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
>>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>
>> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
>> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
>> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>
> I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them were
> showstoppers. In fact, I remember quirks in pretty much every one of the
> Apple products I've owned, going all the way back to the Apple ][+ in 1980.
> That said, none of them were anywhere near as frustrating as some of the
> Windows quirks I've had to deal with. If you experienced the 10.0 version of
> MacOS X....well, let's just say it was an interesting experience.
Oh, 10.0 was - as far as I am concerned - a beta. Apple put it out because
they did not want to be late... but they kept OS 9 as the default. Good
choice. Even 10.1 was only so-so... 10.2 was when OS X really started to
shine. By 10.3 it was excellent... 10.4 is extraordinary... and I look very
forward to 10.5 - I expect it will have all sorts of little goodies that
have yet to really be reported on.
>> How about the iPhone? Any problems? iPod shuffle?
>>
> I don't know about the iPhone, as I have not tried it yet. I've owned two
> iPods and they've been great, plus the shuffle I bought my SO. There were some
> issues with my G1 iPod but nothing terrible. It died when I leaned back on it
> rather forcefully in a fanny pack. But it was serendipitous anyway as the
> 5Gbytes was getting to be fairly restraining.
>
>> I don't feel an ounce of concern about getting Leopard as soon as it's out. I
>> have experience with other Apple system upgrades. I would have no concern
>> about buying AppleTV or iPhone or a new iPod design. I would have no concern
>> about buying any new Apple-made software.
>>
> I intend to upgrade at least my MacBookPro to Leopard. The G5 iMac may have to
> wait. Actually, I'm very interested in iLife's next upgrade and possibly iWork
> as well. I do have a sister who is waiting for the new iMacs to come back to
> the Mac fold. As of now, she's the only one of four siblings who is using
> Windows as a primary platform.
Apple is behind their normal schedule to update the iMac... one of the
rumors about it will eventually be true! :)
>> They simply do better than the median company does.
>>
> I think this is because Apple does both the systems and the OS. That's a
> luxury in today's world.....the other UNIX based systems have fallen on hard
> times...SGI, Sun et al.
Apple also gets the fact that computers are *about* the user experience and
not the buzz words.
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Steve Hix
Joseph Crowe <jcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Sun's not dead yet...
Elizabot v2.0.3
> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>
>
> Yeah, I know -- that's a common complaint. About as common as the
> people who buy Windows. (hint)
>
> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>
> How about the iPhone? Any problems?
> iPod shuffle?
>
Weren't there problems with the mac book? I don't have one, but I recall
hearing lots of problems with that.
Mitch
<Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
There was a heat-goop issue, apparently a problem in manufacturing
standards. Too much goop made it use the fan too often.
It was apparently a simple fix, and didn't affect many units, but it
was very visible because there was something to look at.
Mitch
Crowe <jcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> > Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> > Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>
> I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them
> were showstoppers. In fact, I remember quirks in pretty much every one
> of the Apple products I've owned, going all the way back to the Apple
> ][+ in 1980. That said, none of them were anywhere near as frustrating
> as some of the Windows quirks I've had to deal with. If you experienced
> the 10.0 version of MacOS X....well, let's just say it was an
> interesting experience.
Well, that's a good example, and definitely an exception in Apple's
practices. It seems 10.0 was released too soon. I don't know why.
I missed the problems -- I had a decent system running 9.1, so I didn't
upgrade until Jaguar, and Panther was out when I got new hardware.
> I think this is because Apple does both the systems and the OS.
> That's a luxury in today's world.....the other UNIX based systems
> have fallen on hard times...SGI, Sun et al.
Yes, it's bad news that other niche players are having trouble.
Industries rely on niche developments to drive innovation and get
applied in unusual purposes.
Tim Murray
> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>
So in other words the model you need is already out there.
Snit
0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
PM:
> On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>>
>
> So in other words the model you need is already out there.
>
Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
next-big-thing. It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
*always* a good thing. :)
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€ Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
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Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
> 0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
> PM:
>
> > On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
> >> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
> >>
> >
> > So in other words the model you need is already out there.
> >
> Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
> that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
> next-big-thing. It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
> *always* a good thing. :)
Unless they have changed, I think you'd be better off buying a tower for your
needs. Something like this:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=FA3
56LL/A
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Steve Carroll
> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
> > things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for Leopard.
> > What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac -
> > I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>
>
> Yeah, I know -- that's a common complaint. About as common as the
> people who buy Windows. (hint)
>
> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
Speaking of "New iMacs" (title) ... the first gen iMac G5's had their share of
problems... not all of which could be traced to the 'bad cap issue'.
Peter Hayes
Screens with little round blotches where the keys rested up against it?
Or was that some other Apple laptop?
Peter Hayes
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
> 0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
> PM:
>
> > On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
> >> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
> >>
> >
> > So in other words the model you need is already out there.
> >
> Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
> that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
> next-big-thing.
Depends who is footing the bill...
> It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
> *always* a good thing. :)
Ah... image.
Snit
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
>> 0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
>> PM:
>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
>>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So in other words the model you need is already out there.
>>>
>> Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
>> that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
>> next-big-thing.
>
> Depends who is footing the bill...
I am.
>
>> It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
>> *always* a good thing. :)
>
> Ah... image.
Nope.
--
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€ Macs are Macs and Apple is still making and selling Macs
€ The early IBM PCs and Commodores shipped with an OS in ROM
Peter Hayes
> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
> 1i1i6v8.ym088a126dsxcN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 6:58 AM:
>
> > Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
> >> 0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
> >> PM:
> >>
> >>> On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
> >>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> So in other words the model you need is already out there.
> >>>
> >> Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
> >> that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
> >> next-big-thing.
> >
> > Depends who is footing the bill...
>
> I am.
Right. So the current iMac range will be heavily discounted come the
release of the new range. Something perhaps to consider. Sure, payback
time comes in five years or so, but how well can any of us plan that far
ahead?
> >> It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
> >> *always* a good thing. :)
> >
> > Ah... image.
>
> Nope.
Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
If you can soldier on with the old stuff, wait for Leopard.
Snit
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
>> 1i1i6v8.ym088a126dsxcN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 6:58 AM:
>>
>>> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>> 0001HW.C2C473CF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 7/18/07 10:50
>>>> PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2007, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So in other words the model you need is already out there.
>>>>>
>>>> Might be. My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product
>>>> that is fine but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the
>>>> next-big-thing.
>>>
>>> Depends who is footing the bill...
>>
>> I am.
>
> Right. So the current iMac range will be heavily discounted come the
> release of the new range. Something perhaps to consider. Sure, payback
> time comes in five years or so, but how well can any of us plan that far
> ahead?
I have considered that - and I am on a pretty tight budget.
>>>> It will, no doubt, be faster and more buzz-wordy, which is
>>>> *always* a good thing. :)
>>>
>>> Ah... image.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
Yes.
> If you can soldier on with the old stuff, wait for Leopard.
I need to be able to run Windows before then... if I get a free Windows
machine, though, I might do that.
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€ Similarly configured Macs and Win machines tend to cost roughly the same
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Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Have you thought about a refurbed laptop (don't you take your business on the
road occasionally)? Here's the machine I have (for $500 less):
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=FA6
09LL/A
Initially, I was worried about the 15" screen but it's plenty big enough for
many tasks, at least the ones I do. Just this week I put in 2GB more of RAM
(about $150 - Kingston brand) ... but I was running Parallels w/Win XP-Pro on 1
GB... it ran OK for the most part. With an external keyboard, mouse, external
monitor and hard drive storage you'll be ready for almost any kind of situation.
I have a dual G5 2.5 Ghz tower... this laptop rivals it in many ways.
Elizabot v2.0.3
> In article <139tm7a...@news.supernews.com>, Elizabot v2.0.3
> <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
>>>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for
>>>> Leopard.
>>>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac
>>>> -
>>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I know -- that's a common complaint. About as common as the
>>> people who buy Windows. (hint)
>>>
>>> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
>>> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther?
I did. Many did.
How about when Panther came out and killed all those firewire drives,
mine included? Also screwed up my backup program. And DiskWarrior. Maybe
you'll claim that that wasn't Apple's fault?
> Tiger?
>>> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>>>
>>> How about the iPhone? Any problems?
>>> iPod shuffle?
>>>
>> Weren't there problems with the mac book? I don't have one, but I recall
>> hearing lots of problems with that.
> There was a heat-goop issue, apparently a problem in manufacturing
> standards. Too much goop made it use the fan too often.
> It was apparently a simple fix, and didn't affect many units, but it
> was very visible because there was something to look at.
There were more problems than that. I was wanting to get one, but not
with the all problems they were having.
Elizabot v2.0.3
Possibly. I know that PowerBooks had that issue. You'd think they figure
out how to fix that by now.
Snit
noone-5C0C3C....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/19/07 10:16 AM:
> FA6 09LL/A
>
> Initially, I was worried about the 15" screen but it's plenty big enough for
> many tasks, at least the ones I do. Just this week I put in 2GB more of RAM
> (about $150 - Kingston brand) ... but I was running Parallels w/Win XP-Pro on
> 1 GB... it ran OK for the most part. With an external keyboard, mouse,
> external monitor and hard drive storage you'll be ready for almost any kind of
> situation.
>
> I have a dual G5 2.5 Ghz tower... this laptop rivals it in many ways.
The 15" screen would be a limiting factor for me... I use dual 19" screens
now. For doing web and image work 15" is just not good enough.
I have thought of a refurbished tower, but I also have need of a camera - so
that would be an added expense and from what I have read there are some
problems with third party camera compatibility that do not exist for the
integrated ones in the iMacs (or portables).
I will look more closely at the refurbished products - they can offer a
decent savings and you still can get Apple Care on them... I have rarely if
ever heard of problems with them.
--
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Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
range" can't?
> > If you can soldier on with the old stuff, wait for Leopard.
>
> I need to be able to run Windows before then... if I get a free Windows
> machine, though, I might do that.
--
Snit
It is a matter of how well the needs will be met. Presumably the new Macs
will be faster - a definite plus. If you list the specs for the new Macs I
can be more specific. :)
>>> If you can soldier on with the old stuff, wait for Leopard.
>>
>> I need to be able to run Windows before then... if I get a free Windows
>> machine, though, I might do that.
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€ There are two general types of PCs: Macs and PCs (odd naming conventions!)
€ Mac OS X 10.x.x is a version of Mac OS
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
We all know there will be a speed increase (but that isn't the thing that'd be
worth the wait IMO). So... you *could* use a machine from the current crop, you
just prefer to get one of the new ones... it *is* your desire, not your needs;)
I just hope they don't have the level of problems the first G5 iMacs had... you
may wanna wait for v.2
Snit
>>>>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
>>> range" can't?
>>
>> It is a matter of how well the needs will be met. Presumably the new Macs
>> will be faster - a definite plus. If you list the specs for the new Macs I
>> can be more specific. :)
>
> We all know there will be a speed increase (but that isn't the thing that'd be
> worth the wait IMO). So... you *could* use a machine from the current crop,
> you just prefer to get one of the new ones... it *is* your desire, not your
> needs;)
My needs would be met better by a faster machine. Speed, camera, and
ability to run Windows are "biggies" for me.
> I just hope they don't have the level of problems the first G5 iMacs had...
> you may wanna wait for v.2
That is my concern.
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Elizabot v2.0.3
> In article <C2C4E595.87FD5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
<snip a kook's name/fake email>
>
>> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
>> 1i1idla.r77ur31gochapN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 9:29 AM:
>>
>
>>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
<snip a kook's answer>
>
> What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
> range" can't?
Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
wants. I don't. I know most of what I want is a want. Doesn't make me a
bad person. But reality dictates that I can afford what I want, so I
don't have moral qualms distinguishing between what I want and I need. I
also don't have a spouse making demands on me, nor do I have a couple of
non-potty trained humans in my house soiling themselves all the time.
You've had kids. Why aren't you more sensitive to your retarded little
bro???
Steve Carroll
"Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > In article <C2C4E595.87FD5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>
> <snip a kook's name/fake email>
> >
> >> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
> >> 1i1idla.r77ur31gochapN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 9:29 AM:
> >>
> >
> >>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
>
> <snip a kook's answer>
>
> >
> > What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
> > range" can't?
>
> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
> wants. I don't.
I suspect that's what is going on here.
>I know most of what I want is a want. Doesn't make me a
> bad person. But reality dictates that I can afford what I want, so I
> don't have moral qualms distinguishing between what I want and I need. I
> also don't have a spouse making demands on me, nor do I have a couple of
> non-potty trained humans in my house soiling themselves all the time.
>
> You've had kids. Why aren't you more sensitive to your retarded little
> bro???
Bro? That's stretching things a bit;)
Snit
> In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> In article <C2C4E595.87FD5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>
>> <snip a kook's name/fake email>
>>>
>>>> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
>>>> 1i1idla.r77ur31gochapN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 9:29 AM:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
>>
>> <snip a kook's answer>
>>
>>>
>>> What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
>>> range" can't?
>>
>> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
>> wants. I don't.
>
> I suspect that's what is going on here.
Well, I suppose I could change my job and give up taking classes... but if I
want to do my job and continue my own schooling I *need* to have access to a
Windows and to a camera such as the ones that come with an iMac. My current
machine simply is not adequate to serve my work needs. The current iMacs
would serve my needs well - I suspect the new ones will serve it even
better, with greater speed if nothing else. That will, hopefully, allow me
to keep the machine longer.
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-A6743C....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/19/07 6:51 PM:
>
> >>>>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>> What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current
> >>> iMac
> >>> range" can't?
> >>
> >> It is a matter of how well the needs will be met. Presumably the new Macs
> >> will be faster - a definite plus. If you list the specs for the new Macs
> >> I
> >> can be more specific. :)
> >
> > We all know there will be a speed increase (but that isn't the thing that'd
> > be
> > worth the wait IMO). So... you *could* use a machine from the current crop,
> > you just prefer to get one of the new ones... it *is* your desire, not your
> > needs;)
>
> My needs would be met better by a faster machine.
While the speed difference between what is currently available and what will
soon be available is a notable point, it isn't, IMO, be worth buying a v.1 for.
> Speed, camera, and ability to run Windows are "biggies" for me.
The current iMac crop has iSight and runs Windows. My point is... If speed is
"central" to your "NEEDS" you shouldn't be buying an iMac at all.
> > I just hope they don't have the level of problems the first G5 iMacs had...
> > you may wanna wait for v.2
>
> That is my concern.
Like the man said, don't buy anything v.1
Snit
>> My needs would be met better by a faster machine.
>
> While the speed difference between what is currently available and what will
> soon be available is a notable point, it isn't, IMO, be worth buying a v.1
> for.
>
>> Speed, camera, and ability to run Windows are "biggies" for me.
>
> The current iMac crop has iSight and runs Windows. My point is... If speed is
> "central" to your "NEEDS" you shouldn't be buying an iMac at all.
Clearly a 2-3 GHz Intel iMac is going to be *much* faster than my 800 MHz
G4. Speed is *undoubtedly* an advantage of moving to such a machine...
heck, even if I had to run key programs in Rosetta they would likely be
faster from what I have read (though I did wait for Photoshop and
Dreamweaver to be updated).
If you want to send me the difference in cost between an iMac and the tower
*plus* the monitor *plus* the camera then by all means, Steve, you can tell
me I "shouldn't be buying an iMac at all". :)
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€ The word "ouch" is not a sure sign of agreement.
Steve Carroll
"Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > In article <139tm7a...@news.supernews.com>, Elizabot v2.0.3
> > <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mitch wrote:
> >>> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> >>> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
> >>>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for
> >>>> Leopard.
> >>>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated
> >>>> Mac
> >>>> -
> >>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I know -- that's a common complaint. About as common as the
> >>> people who buy Windows. (hint)
> >>>
> >>> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> >>> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther?
>
> I did. Many did.
I had my share (mostly with the audio/video stuff)
> How about when Panther came out and killed all those firewire drives,
> mine included? Also screwed up my backup program. And DiskWarrior. Maybe
> you'll claim that that wasn't Apple's fault?
Yeah... I remember that FW stuff happening... what a hassle.
> > Tiger?
> >>> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
> >>>
> >>> How about the iPhone? Any problems?
> >>> iPod shuffle?
> >>>
> >> Weren't there problems with the mac book? I don't have one, but I recall
> >> hearing lots of problems with that.
> > There was a heat-goop issue, apparently a problem in manufacturing
> > standards. Too much goop made it use the fan too often.
> > It was apparently a simple fix, and didn't affect many units, but it
> > was very visible because there was something to look at.
>
> There were more problems than that. I was wanting to get one, but not
> with the all problems they were having.
--
Steve Carroll
> In article <Ugzni.23293$Rw1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, Joseph
> Crowe <jcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> > > Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> > > Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
> >
> > I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them
> > were showstoppers. In fact, I remember quirks in pretty much every one
> > of the Apple products I've owned, going all the way back to the Apple
> > ][+ in 1980. That said, none of them were anywhere near as frustrating
> > as some of the Windows quirks I've had to deal with. If you experienced
> > the 10.0 version of MacOS X....well, let's just say it was an
> > interesting experience.
> Well, that's a good example, and definitely an exception in Apple's
> practices. It seems 10.0 was released too soon. I don't know why.
> I missed the problems -- I had a decent system running 9.1, so I didn't
> upgrade until Jaguar, and Panther was out when I got new hardware.
Perhaps you are unaware... but 9.1 fixed a lot of 'quirks' created by 9.0 ("a v1
Apple product").
Steve Carroll
Joseph Crowe <jcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> > <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
> >> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for
> >> Leopard.
> >> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac
> >> -
> >> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>
> > What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
> > Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
> > Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>
> I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them
> were showstoppers.
Depends on what 'show' you're running... for serious audio/video work there were
plenty of Apple V1 showstoppers along the way. I will agree with Mitch on one
point, for the most part, Apple has been pretty good about getting out a fix
fairly quickly. I never had these kinds of problems when I used tape;)
Snit
> In article <Ugzni.23293$Rw1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> Joseph Crowe <jcr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>> In article <C2C370A1.87EC5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>> <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
>>>> things. I will likely end up having to pay the extra $70 or so for
>>>> Leopard.
>>>> What worries me more is getting a "first edition" of a heavily updated Mac
>>>> -
>>>> I would prefer to wait for any quirks to be worked out.
>>
>>> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
>>> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther? Tiger?
>>> Anything that didn't just need a quick updater, available a week later?
>>
>> I remember some quirks in V1 products from Apple but none of them
>> were showstoppers.
>
> Depends on what 'show' you're running... for serious audio/video work there
> were plenty of Apple V1 showstoppers along the way. I will agree with Mitch on
> one point, for the most part, Apple has been pretty good about getting out a
> fix fairly quickly. I never had these kinds of problems when I used tape;)
My concern about getting a v1 version of the next iMac (assuming rumors are
true and it is being heavily changed) is that there will be some show
stopper - overheating or the like. I think the chances of this are pretty
low - and thus the benefits that are likely to be seen with the rumored new
iMacs likely outweigh this risk. Still, once the new iMac is announced, if
it is quite different but not significantly better at serving my computing
needs I may very well go with the current crop of iMacs.
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€ OS X's Command+Scroll wheel function does not exist in default XP
€ Technical competence and intelligence are not the same thing
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-2A068F....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 8:12 AM:
>
> >> My needs would be met better by a faster machine.
> >
> > While the speed difference between what is currently available and what
> > will
> > soon be available is a notable point, it isn't, IMO, be worth buying a v.1
> > for.
> >
> >> Speed, camera, and ability to run Windows are "biggies" for me.
> >
> > The current iMac crop has iSight and runs Windows. My point is... If speed
> > is
> > "central" to your "NEEDS" you shouldn't be buying an iMac at all.
>
> Clearly a 2-3 GHz Intel iMac is going to be *much* faster than my 800 MHz
> G4. Speed is *undoubtedly* an advantage of moving to such a machine...
> heck, even if I had to run key programs in Rosetta they would likely be
> faster from what I have read (though I did wait for Photoshop and
> Dreamweaver to be updated).
Sigh...
You have *already* said you were planning on buying another machine, more than
once... and did so again in the first post of this thread.
"I have repeatedly stated I am anticipating this update with the expectation
of buying a new computer... I do hope this rumor is true!".
Also from this thread:
"I need a new computer before the school year... even Aug 7 is pushing
things".
*You* set the comparison being discussed here to that of being between the
"current iMac range" and "the next-big-thing"... in fact, you even labeled this
comparison your "dilemma":
"My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product that is fine
but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the next-big-thing".
Because of what *you* have written, I am not talking about comparisons with your
old machine... so... why are you making a comparison with your old machine?
> If you want to send me the difference in cost between an iMac and the tower
> *plus* the monitor *plus* the camera then by all means, Steve, you can tell
> me I "shouldn't be buying an iMac at all". :)
How about I send you a book on improving your reading comprehension instead ;)
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-90B1BE....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 8:01 AM:
>
> > In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
> > "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>> In article <C2C4E595.87FD5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> >>
> >> <snip a kook's name/fake email>
> >>>
> >>>> "Peter Hayes" <noti...@btinternet.com> stated in post
> >>>> 1i1idla.r77ur31gochapN%noti...@btinternet.com on 7/19/07 9:29 AM:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?
> >>
> >> <snip a kook's answer>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
> >>> range" can't?
> >>
> >> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
> >> wants. I don't.
> >
> > I suspect that's what is going on here.
>
> Well, I suppose I could change my job and give up taking classes... but if I
> want to do my job and continue my own schooling I *need* to have access to a
> Windows and to a camera such as the ones that come with an iMac. My current
> machine simply is not adequate to serve my work needs. The current iMacs
> would serve my needs well - I suspect the new ones will serve it even
> better, with greater speed if nothing else. That will, hopefully, allow me
> to keep the machine longer.
Amazingly, it doesn't occur to you that you have created a thread where you are
comparing the "current iMac range" with the "next-big-thing", yet, when asked if
the "next-big-thing" is "central" to your "NEEDS" ("rather than desires") you
answered "Yes". All this, despite having just written:
"The current iMacs would serve my needs well"
I'm sure you'll view this as me engaging in "nitpicking" and being driven by
"hate". Whatever you do... don't take any responsibility here <sarcasm mode=off>
Snit
The biggies for me in getting a new machine, Steve, are:
* Speed (my G4 800, while a fine machine, is simply getting dated)
* Webcam (I do not have one now)
* Ability to run Windows (Virtual PC will not do)
Some things I would like:
* Wireless Internet for making quick wireless networks
Getting a new iMac should meet those needs well. The current crop would do
quite well, but I suspect the new ones (when they come out) will serve even
better (if nothing else they will be faster).
Based on that, Steve, and the fact that my current machine fits *none* of
those criteria there is no reason for me to *not* get a new iMac (despite
you saying I "shouldn't be buying an iMac at all"). My question has been if
I should get either the current crop or the next. I have discussed the
risks of getting a new machine and my belief that the benefits will likely
outweigh those risks.
A tower, of course, would be a great thing - assuming I wanted to spend the
rather considerable extra money to get not only the tower but also the
monitor and a camera (and one that I know would work for the various
software I plan on using it with - some that is not even available yet).
Add to that the benefit of the iMac of having wireless Internet built in for
no "extra" cost and it seems unlikely I will be going with a PowerMac. Who
knows, I might even find a use for Bluetooth over the next few years - might
be nice to have.
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Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
From what I've heard it's being changed with addressing some of the heat issues
in mind.. a thing that's long overdue IMO as heat tends to cause premature
component failure.
> and thus the benefits that are likely to be seen with the rumored new
> iMacs likely outweigh this risk.
As to other types of showstoppers... v.1 is always a bit of a crap shoot.
> Still, once the new iMac is announced, if
> it is quite different but not significantly better at serving my computing
> needs I may very well go with the current crop of iMacs.
Sounds like speed is the only issue you really have. While it will definitely be
better than the current lineup... is it significant enough to justify difference
in cost to you? Who knows. There will undoubtedly be some good refurb deals.
Snit
From another post:
-----
The biggies for me in getting a new machine, Steve, are:
* Speed (my G4 800, while a fine machine, is simply getting dated)
* Webcam (I do not have one now)
* Ability to run Windows (Virtual PC will not do)
Some things I would like:
* Wireless Internet for making quick wireless networks
Getting a new iMac should meet those needs well. The
current crop would do quite well, but I suspect the new ones
(when they come out) will serve even better (if nothing else
they will be faster).
Based on that, Steve, and the fact that my current machine
fits *none* of those criteria there is no reason for me to
*not* get a new iMac (despite you saying I "shouldn't be
buying an iMac at all"). My question has been if I should
get either the current crop or the next. I have discussed
the risks of getting a new machine and my belief that the
benefits will likely outweigh those risks.
A tower, of course, would be a great thing - assuming I
wanted to spend the rather considerable extra money to get
not only the tower but also the monitor and a camera (and
one that I know would work for the various software I plan
on using it with - some that is not even available yet). Add
to that the benefit of the iMac of having wireless Internet
built in for no "extra" cost and it seems unlikely I will be
going with a PowerMac. Who knows, I might even find a use
for Bluetooth over the next few years - might be nice to
have.
-----
Again: the current crop of iMacs would fit my needs, but the next gen will
likely fit my needs better.
This will remain true even if you object and spew insults. :)
Snit
I might go with a refurb once the new ones come out... assuming they come
out soon!
Do you have data on the price of the new rumored iMacs? You talk about a
difference in cost... what difference do you know of are you just
speculating?
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
(snip)
> My question has been if I should get either the current crop or the next.
Exactly. As the conversation initially proceeded from making a comparison
between the current iMacs and those on the way I suggest you stop talking about
your old machine now.
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
--
It's obvious you have gotten confused with the wording "new machine".
You have stated:
"The current iMacs would serve my needs well"
You wrote this, yet, when Peter Hayes asked you:
"Are your NEEDS, rather than desires, central to the new machine?"
You replied with:
"Yes."
It's evident that when you told Peter your "NEEDS" were "central to the "new
machine"... you meant *any* new machine (current crop or those coming). But
that's not what Peter was referring to when he asked you that question... here
is where you left the track:
<1i1idla.r77ur31gochapN%noti...@btinternet.com>
When Peter used the term "new machine" in his question, he rightfully assumed
you were making the comparison you *claimed* you were making:
"My dilemma is if I should get what is available now - a product that is fine
but about to be outdated or if I should wait and get v1 of the next-big-thing".
The term "new machine"... as Peter was using it, referred to the crop of iMacs
on the way... it didn't refer to *any* machine that you might choose.
I then asked this because you responded to Peter with a "Yes":
"What part of your needs do the new machines address that the "current iMac
range" can't?"
Your reply indicated that you didn't understand my question, either:
"It is a matter of how well the needs will be met".
<C2C50ABE.87FFF%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
From there you went downhill pretty fast.
--
> * Webcam (I do not have one now)
Which the "current iMacs" have.
> * Ability to run Windows (Virtual PC will not do)
"current iMacs" run Windows.
> Some things I would like:
> * Wireless Internet for making quick wireless networks
The "current" iMacs have this.
> Getting a new iMac should meet those needs well.
And, as *you* said, so would getting one of the "current iMacs":
"The current iMacs would serve my needs well" - Snit
> The
> current crop would do quite well, but I suspect the new ones
> (when they come out) will serve even better (if nothing else
> they will be faster).
>
> Based on that, Steve, and the fact that my current machine
> fits *none* of those criteria there is no reason for me to
> *not* get a new iMac (despite you saying I "shouldn't be
> buying an iMac at all"). My question has been if I should
> get either the current crop or the next. I have discussed
> the risks of getting a new machine and my belief that the
> benefits will likely outweigh those risks.
>
> A tower, of course, would be a great thing - assuming I
> wanted to spend the rather considerable extra money to get
> not only the tower but also the monitor and a camera (and
> one that I know would work for the various software I plan
> on using it with - some that is not even available yet). Add
> to that the benefit of the iMac of having wireless Internet
> built in for no "extra" cost and it seems unlikely I will be
> going with a PowerMac. Who knows, I might even find a use
> for Bluetooth over the next few years - might be nice to
> have.
> -----
>
> Again: the current crop of iMacs would fit my needs, but the next gen will
> likely fit my needs better.
That's not what "central" to your needs means. Almost everyone *wants* a faster
computer... the question is, will the speed difference between the current iMac
crop and the "new" (as yet to be released) crop create a situation where a "new"
iMac is a *must have* for you. You're saying the answer to that is no, "the
current crop of iMacs would fit" your "needs".
> This will remain true even if you object and spew insults. :)
Spouting irrelevancies doesn't make you appear to have comprehended what you read
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Speculating... but it's pretty obvious what'll happen. When the "new iMacs" come
out, the "current iMacs" will, in all likelihood, be lower in price than the
"new iMacs" (this is usually how it works). You also mentioned buying a
refurb... depending upon which way you go, there will most likely be a cost
difference involved.
Snit
>>> Sounds like speed is the only issue you really have. While it will
>>> definitely be better than the current lineup... is it significant enough to
>>> justify difference in cost to you? Who knows. There will undoubtedly be some
>>> good refurb deals.
>>>
>> I might go with a refurb once the new ones come out... assuming they come out
>> soon!
>>
>> Do you have data on the price of the new rumored iMacs? You talk about a
>> difference in cost... what difference do you know of are you just
>> speculating?
>>
> Speculating... but it's pretty obvious what'll happen. When the "new iMacs"
> come out, the "current iMacs" will, in all likelihood, be lower in price than
> the "new iMacs" (this is usually how it works). You also mentioned buying a
> refurb... depending upon which way you go, there will most likely be a cost
> difference involved.
Often the new ones, I thought, were the same price - or sometimes even
lower. Especially if Apple dumps the 17 inch iMacs and the minis then they
will likely want to keep the 20 inch iMacs relatively affordable. But, if I
am wrong and the price jumps considerably I will still be able to get the
older machines.
Snit
I have stated my needs and my reasons for looking at an iMac - current or,
perhaps, new. This is true even if you think I "shouldn't be buying an iMac
at all." I thank you for your opinion but am not interested in ongoing
debates about it... frankly my choice of computer comes down to what *I*
want.
Snit
>> My question has been if I should get either the current crop or the next.
>
> Exactly.
And the answer most certainly is *not* that I "shouldn't be
buying an iMac at all", which was the comment of yours I disagreed with. I
*should* be getting a new computer soon... it is a clear business need. I
have stated why I think the iMac is likely the best option for me and some
of the pros and cons of buying now vs. waiting. I am leaning toward getting
the new ones but it depends on several factors. I welcome suggestions but
am not interested in debates.
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Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-8AAE62....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 9:48 AM:
>
> >> My question has been if I should get either the current crop or the next.
> >
> > Exactly.
>
> And the answer most certainly is *not* that I "shouldn't be
> buying an iMac at all", which was the comment of yours I disagreed with.
Yet, not but a few lines down in this paragraph you claim to "welcome
suggestions".
> I
> *should* be getting a new computer soon... it is a clear business need. I
> have stated why I think the iMac is likely the best option for me and some
> of the pros and cons of buying now vs. waiting. I am leaning toward getting
> the new ones but it depends on several factors. I welcome suggestions but
> am not interested in debates.
Then stop talking about irrelevant issues. All you did was confuse yourself.
Snit
> In article <C2C64B55.880AC%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-8AAE62....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 9:48 AM:
>>
>>>> My question has been if I should get either the current crop or the next.
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>
>> And the answer most certainly is *not* that I "shouldn't be
>> buying an iMac at all", which was the comment of yours I disagreed with.
>
> Yet, not but a few lines down in this paragraph you claim to "welcome
> suggestions".
>
>> I
>> *should* be getting a new computer soon... it is a clear business need. I
>> have stated why I think the iMac is likely the best option for me and some
>> of the pros and cons of buying now vs. waiting. I am leaning toward getting
>> the new ones but it depends on several factors. I welcome suggestions but
>> am not interested in debates.
>
> Then stop talking about irrelevant issues. All you did was confuse yourself.
Being that you have left the topic and are not babbling about irrelevant
meta-topics of who you think got confused by *my* needs (or whatever you are
worked up about now) I think we can safely say you have nothing more of
value to say.
Thanks for your thoughts - I appreciated the links and comments about the
refurbished machines and even some of your other comments.
Elizabot v2.0.3
> In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>
>> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
>> wants. I don't.
>
> I suspect that's what is going on here.
Especially when I read things like "frankly my choice of computer comes
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Yeah... what you "want" not what you *think* you "need"... I got it a long time
ago, Snit;)
Elizabot v2.0.3
> In article <139v74i...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>> In article <139tm7a...@news.supernews.com>, Elizabot v2.0.3
>>> <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitch wrote:
>>>>> What is the last 'quirk' you can remember in a v1 Apple product?
>>>>> Does anyone remember people having real problems with Panther?
>> I did. Many did.
>
> I had my share (mostly with the audio/video stuff)
>
>> How about when Panther came out and killed all those firewire drives,
>> mine included? Also screwed up my backup program. And DiskWarrior. Maybe
>> you'll claim that that wasn't Apple's fault?
>
> Yeah... I remember that FW stuff happening... what a hassle.
I was unable to back up my computer for 3 months.
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
You are correct... I am "not babbling about irrelevant meta-topics" (but you
are)... however, you're incorrect when you say that *I* left the topic... you
did that.
> of who you think got confused
I don't merely think that someone got confused... I know you got confused;)
> by *my* needs (or whatever you are
> worked up about now) I think we can safely say you have nothing more of
> value to say.
You can say all you want, though, you're idea that you can babble irrelevant
crap "safely" is wrong... it will get challenged when you so quickly veer away
from what *you* began talking about.
> Thanks for your thoughts - I appreciated the links and comments about the
> refurbished machines and even some of your other comments.
You're welcome.
Steve Carroll
"Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
> > "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
> >> wants. I don't.
> >
> > I suspect that's what is going on here.
>
> Especially when I read things like "frankly my choice of computer comes
> down to what *I* want."
Yeah... I saw that... I was sorta expecting something just like that as he's
been doing it all week;)
Maybe the pressure of going back to work at the end of the summer is getting to
him...
Snit
>> Thanks for your thoughts - I appreciated the links and comments about the
>> refurbished machines and even some of your other comments.
>
> You're welcome.
If you have other thoughts on the issue I welcome them.
Snit
> In article <13a2dfn...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
>>> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
>>>> wants. I don't.
>>>
>>> I suspect that's what is going on here.
>>
>> Especially when I read things like "frankly my choice of computer comes
>> down to what *I* want."
>
> Yeah... I saw that... I was sorta expecting something just like that as he's
> been doing it all week;)
>
> Maybe the pressure of going back to work at the end of the summer is getting
> to him...
How can someone who is working now go "back to work"?
It is sad, Steve, to see how worked up you get when I talk about how I am
going to get a new iMac. Is there anything that does not set you off?
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-6A5CCC....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 3:39 PM:
>
> > In article <13a2dfn...@news.supernews.com>,
> > "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>> In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
> >>> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
> >>>> wants. I don't.
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that's what is going on here.
> >>
> >> Especially when I read things like "frankly my choice of computer comes
> >> down to what *I* want."
> >
> > Yeah... I saw that... I was sorta expecting something just like that as he's
> > been doing it all week;)
> >
> > Maybe the pressure of going back to work at the end of the summer is getting
> > to him...
>
> How can someone who is working now go "back to work"?
I don't consider your disruption of csma to be a *real* job;)
> It is sad, Steve, to see how worked up you get when I talk about how I am
> going to get a new iMac. Is there anything that does not set you off?
Anyone can see that you're the guy getting all worked up here. Lighten up, dude.
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-D477A5....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 3:37 PM:
>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts - I appreciated the links and comments about the
> >> refurbished machines and even some of your other comments.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> If you have other thoughts on the issue I welcome them.
I just posted one to a thread Pratt created... I'm sure you won't like the idea,
though... because you "hate" me so much;)
Snit
> In article <C2C68B01.880D9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-6A5CCC....@newsgroups.comcast.net on 7/20/07 3:39 PM:
>>
>>> In article <13a2dfn...@news.supernews.com>,
>>> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>> In article <13a0kmi...@news.supernews.com>,
>>>>> "Elizabot v2.0.3" <Eliz...@NOspySPAMmac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people have HUGE difficulties distinguishing between needs and
>>>>>> wants. I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that's what is going on here.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when I read things like "frankly my choice of computer comes
>>>> down to what *I* want."
>>>
>>> Yeah... I saw that... I was sorta expecting something just like that as he's
>>> been doing it all week;)
>>>
>>> Maybe the pressure of going back to work at the end of the summer is getting
>>> to him...
>>
>> How can someone who is working now go "back to work"?
>
> I don't consider your disruption of csma to be a *real* job;)
>
>
>> It is sad, Steve, to see how worked up you get when I talk about how I am
>> going to get a new iMac. Is there anything that does not set you off?
>
> Anyone can see that you're the guy getting all worked up here. Lighten up,
> dude.
What makes you think my pointing out your BS is a sign I am "getting worked
up"? Seriously, I am not the one who belittles you in every post I make nor
do I lie about you... you do both in just about every post you make... even
*excluding* your .sig where you openly lie about me.
Face it, Steve, your actions speak loudly - you act in a way that is
completely consistent with you being unable to control yourself and being
overcome by your hatred. Try to turn that around all you want, Steve, but
you are unlikely to convince anyone but yourself.
My biggest "sin" is to respond to your posts and to offer corrections...
when it has been clear for years that you are not going to ever grow up. I
am "guilty" of giving you too many chances... that is a "sin" I can live
with. Can you live with yours? I doubt you will even acknowledge them.
--
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€ Things which are not the same are not "identical"
€ The word "ouch" is not a sure sign of agreement.
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
See what I mean?