Apple Maps Sucks?

[Flint]

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736

Apparently a lot of other think so...

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[Sandman]

In article <k3gr4m$r0c$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
wrote:

> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...

Indeed. More fun here:

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com


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Sandman[.net]

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 21.09.2012 06:41, Flint wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>

Haven't you got the choice to drop it an keep using GoogleMaps?

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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

[Sandman]

In article <k3h26e$8sf$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 21.09.2012 06:41, Flint wrote:
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
> >
> > Apparently a lot of other think so...
> >
> Haven't you got the choice to drop it an keep using GoogleMaps?

Of course. Google Maps works like a charm in iOS 6. In fact, it's even
slightly better.


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Sandman[.net]

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3gr4m$r0c$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
wrote:

> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...

Yup.

Apple has lots of work to do.

--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook

[Laszlo Lebrun]

So what? Keep using it and let Apple fail in their attempt to tie a bit
more their customers in their private ecosystem...

[Sandman]

In article <k3h5cc$j98$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 21.09.2012 08:56, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <k3h26e$8sf$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 21.09.2012 06:41, Flint wrote:
> >>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
> >>>
> >>> Apparently a lot of other think so...
> >>>
> >> Haven't you got the choice to drop it an keep using GoogleMaps?
> >
> > Of course. Google Maps works like a charm in iOS 6. In fact, it's even
> > slightly better.
> >
> So what? Keep using it and let Apple fail in their attempt to tie a bit
> more their customers in their private ecosystem...

Huh? Your English truly sucks. You asked a question and got an answer
- and you're making judgement on Apples *ecosystem* as if that were
any different than Googles ecosystem. I await the day when something
you say is related to anything that's being discussed.


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Sandman[.net]

[Flint]

On 9/21/2012 3:35 AM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> On 21.09.2012 08:56, Sandman wrote:
>> In article <k3h26e$8sf$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
>> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21.09.2012 06:41, Flint wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>>>>
>>>> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>>>>
>>> Haven't you got the choice to drop it an keep using GoogleMaps?
>>
>> Of course. Google Maps works like a charm in iOS 6. In fact, it's even
>> slightly better.
>>
> So what? Keep using it and let Apple fail in their attempt to tie a
> bit more their customers in their private ecosystem...
>
>
>

]
]
It should be pointed out although there is no Google Maps app in iOS6,
one can still using Google maps via the iPhone's browser.

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MFB

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 21.09.2012 12:27, Flint wrote:
> It should be pointed out although there is no Google Maps app in iOS6

Any way to get it from the AppStore?

[Nashton]

On 12-09-21 1:41 AM, Flint wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>

No more Google apps such as Youtube and Maps.
Their attempt to try to replace it with some half-baked map app of their
own is laughable. I could understand if they had something to rival
Google maps, but this is a joke.

This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
and MS.

I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
the near future.

In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
an iPhone.....

[Nashton]

On 12-09-21 4:35 AM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> On 21.09.2012 08:56, Sandman wrote:
>> In article <k3h26e$8sf$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
>> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21.09.2012 06:41, Flint wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>>>>
>>>> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>>>>
>>> Haven't you got the choice to drop it an keep using GoogleMaps?
>>
>> Of course. Google Maps works like a charm in iOS 6. In fact, it's even
>> slightly better.
>>
> So what? Keep using it and let Apple fail in their attempt to tie a bit
> more their customers in their private ecosystem...
>
>
>

What is that moron Jonas mumbling about again?

[David Fritzinger]

In article <mr-7A99D9.07...@News.Individual.NET>,

Yeah, from what I've seen on the web, Apple Maps needs a lot of work.
See the Huffington Post article on Apple Maps to see lots of really
strange screen shots from Apple Maps. Hopefully, they get things
straightened out soon.

I do recall similar (though perhaps not as bad) glitches in early
versions of Google Maps. One thing I recall is that when I mapped stores
in a Hawaii shopping center, it showed the location of the stores off by
about a quarter of a mile, in the middle of a bay. That has since been
fixed, of course.

[Flint]

On 9/21/2012 7:44 AM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> On 21.09.2012 12:27, Flint wrote:
>> It should be pointed out although there is no Google Maps app in iOS6
>
> Any way to get it from the AppStore?
>

Apparently not at this time. I understand Google is working on an app
for iOS6 however, but it remains to be seen if Apple will play nice
with them when/if they do submit a Google map app.

If Apple doesn't, I would think they could open themselves up to a DoJ
vs Microsoft style lawsuit.

--
MFB

[Flint]

A lot of this is a common glitch to new map services, and usually is a
matter of simple massaging/combing knots out of data.

It's no big thang...

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MFB

[Laszlo Lebrun]

So why didn't they fix it BOFORE the release?

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 21.09.2012 16:16, Flint wrote:
> Apparently not at this time. I understand Google is working on an app
> for iOS6 however, but it remains to be seen if Apple will play nice with
> them when/if they do submit a Google map app.

So once again, they dare to jeopardise very popular but "not invented
here" services, and replace it with inferior stuff?

How long will customers play that game?

[Invid Fan]

In article <k3hv5p$6i8$1...@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun

Probably a combination of not wanting to hold the feature back while
releasing the rest of the OS, and just needing a few million users to
break the program to see where the bugs are. I'm sure it works
perfectly in California :)

--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3hv5p$6i8$1...@tota-refugium.de>,
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

Because there is so much data, you can't possibly find all the glitches
in a reasonable length of time. If you want to release the application
before the next century, you have to accept that there will be things
you find out once the tens of millions of people who use it will find.

[ed]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:18:29 AM UTC-7, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <k3hv5p$6i8$1...@tota-refugium.de>, Laszlo Lebrun

...

> Probably a combination of not wanting to hold the feature back while
> releasing the rest of the OS, and just needing a few million users to
> break the program to see where the bugs are. I'm sure it works
> perfectly in California :)

or not. ;D
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-UR392_golden_DV_20120921122809.jpg

[MuahMan]

Huffington Post. Hahahaha. Stupid fucking Fritzy. Always gobbling up the propaganda. Damn why won't you pass away yet you old socialist prick.

[D Finnigan]

Flint wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>

Only an idiot would need to depend on some computer map. Just like the same
idiots who can't go anywhere without their stupid GPS.

Who cares about this Google Maps thing?

I've got my paper maps that work just fine.

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[MuahMan]

Paper maps are for pussies. I navigate using a sun dial and at night, the stars.

[MuahMan]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 6:36:12 PM UTC-4, D Finnigan wrote:

Sometimes I float a leaf in a puddle and put a paperclip in it.

[Lloyd]

In article <37fd0ae3-f568-4f2f...@googlegroups.com>,

Going from the trailer to the outhouse is easy, I can't imagine needing
even that much crap to take a crap!

[MuahMan]

Listen. You are a 47%er, not me.

[Tim Adams]

In article <k3hmaf$gs7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca> wrote:

> On 12-09-21 1:41 AM, Flint wrote:
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
> >
> > Apparently a lot of other think so...
> >
>
> No more Google apps such as Youtube and Maps.
> Their attempt to try to replace it with some half-baked map app of their
> own is laughable. I could understand if they had something to rival
> Google maps, but this is a joke.
>
> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
> and MS.
>
> I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
> the near future.

Don't get out much do you? The Google YouTube App is available and a Google Map
App is coming RSN.

>
> In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
> an iPhone.....

Of course people forget what a POS Google Maps were when they were first
released.

--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

[MuahMan]

Vaporware

[Flint]

On 9/21/2012 9:04 PM, Tim Adams wrote:

> Of course people forget what a POS Google Maps were when they were first
> released.
>

I don't remember Google maps ever being a POS. It certainly wsn't as
fleshed out/feature rich as today, but it was never a piece of shit.
Mapquest, yes... Bing maps, perhaps... Google maps no. It's been
ahead of the curve ever since it debuted. I certainly don't remember
Google maps with anything close to this in the way rollout snafu, however.

Face it, Apple took a rather large bite of the fruit trying to roll
out as fleshed out service as what took Google and others *years* to
develop.

They screwed up, it's that simple. It's not like they can't recover -
after all at $80+ BILLION cash on hand, I >think< Apple can handle it
and course correct here, but make no mistake - this is an Apple
misstep like no other.

--
MFB

[David Fritzinger]

In article <c780ff74-fe12-4610...@googlegroups.com>,

With what I said, the only thing you could comment on is the HP, and
ignoring what I actually said? How typical of you, Brian. As usual, no
content, just insults.

[Sandman]

In article
<dfritzin-B8F287...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> I do recall similar (though perhaps not as bad) glitches in early
> versions of Google Maps.

Sure, there were tons of similar pages making fun of oddities found in
Google Maps and Google Streetview in particular. No one is immune to
this, but it sure went viral fast for Apple, so that surely suggest
that Apples misses are on another level :)


--
Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <7191bd77-be7f-4481...@googlegroups.com>,

And here you thought it was that big thing that crossed the water?
Bah, you foolish Android fanboys! Apple knows better! :-D

Joking aside, all these misplaced landmarks - I wonder if some would
correlate to each other when talking about offsets to their actual
position, and if that means that the data has been imported faulty,
with - I don't know, a rounding error?

Perhaps Apple should set up a global botnet that handles map queries
and pipes them into Google Maps to return the correct latlng? :-D


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Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <k3hjui$229$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 21.09.2012 12:27, Flint wrote:
> > It should be pointed out although there is no Google Maps app in iOS6
>
> Any way to get it from the AppStore?

http://maps.google.com

Works like a charm.


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Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <k3hss3$j7d$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
wrote:

> On 9/21/2012 7:44 AM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> > On 21.09.2012 12:27, Flint wrote:
> >> It should be pointed out although there is no Google Maps app in iOS6
> >
> > Any way to get it from the AppStore?
> >
>
> Apparently not at this time. I understand Google is working on an app
> for iOS6 however, but it remains to be seen if Apple will play nice
> with them when/if they do submit a Google map app.

With the current malcontent from early adopters, I'm certain they
would feel forced to accept it. But if it has navigation - maybe not?

> If Apple doesn't, I would think they could open themselves up to a DoJ
> vs Microsoft style lawsuit.

How so? I mean, they've banned tons of stuff they do themselves from
the AppStore (web browsers (i.e. web rendering engines), for
instance), and no suing yet?


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Sandman[.net]

[Sandman]

In article <k3hmcf$gs7$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

I wrote it in English, so I can understand why you didn't understand
it :)


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Sandman[.net]

[Tim Adams]

In article <k3j5ea$fhh$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org> wrote:

> On 9/21/2012 9:04 PM, Tim Adams wrote:
>
> > Of course people forget what a POS Google Maps were when they were first
> > released.
> >
>
> I don't remember Google maps ever being a POS.

So, directing traffic down a cement stair walkway is normal? Google Maps did
(and I believe still might) do this in the SF area.

> It certainly wsn't as
> fleshed out/feature rich as today, but it was never a piece of shit.
> Mapquest, yes... Bing maps, perhaps... Google maps no. It's been
> ahead of the curve ever since it debuted. I certainly don't remember
> Google maps with anything close to this in the way rollout snafu, however.
>
> Face it, Apple took a rather large bite of the fruit trying to roll
> out as fleshed out service as what took Google and others *years* to
> develop.
>
> They screwed up, it's that simple. It's not like they can't recover -
> after all at $80+ BILLION cash on hand, I >think< Apple can handle it
> and course correct here, but make no mistake - this is an Apple
> misstep like no other.

--

[FDK]

"David Fritzinger" wrote in message
news:dfritzin-B8F287...@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <mr-7A99D9.07...@News.Individual.NET>,
Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <k3gr4m$r0c$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint
> <age...@section31.org>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
> >
> > Apparently a lot of other think so...
>
> Indeed. More fun here:
>
> http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com

>Yeah, from what I've seen on the web, Apple Maps needs a lot of work.
>See the Huffington Post article on Apple Maps to see lots of really
>strange screen shots from Apple Maps. Hopefully, they get things
>straightened out soon.

>I do recall similar (though perhaps not as bad) glitches in early
>versions of Google Maps.

How many years ago would you say that was?

[Nashton]

On 12-09-22 4:29 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <k3hmaf$gs7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>

> Nashton <na...@na.ca> wrote:
>> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
>> and MS.
>

> You don't know what that word means.
>

Aren't you busy waiting in line for a new iPhone, fangirl?

[Nashton]

On 12-09-21 10:22 PM, MuahMan wrote:
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:04:17 PM UTC-4, Tim Adams wrote:
>> In article <k3hmaf$gs7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12-09-21 1:41 AM, Flint wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
>>
>>>
>>

>>> I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
>>
>>> the near future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't get out much do you? The Google YouTube App is available and a Google Map
>>
>> App is coming RSN.

It's for iPhone only, you stupid little fart.

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
>>
>>> an iPhone.....
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course people forget what a POS Google Maps were when they were first
>>
>> released.

You're retarded.

[Flint]

On 9/22/2012 9:19 AM, Sandman wrote:

>> If Apple doesn't, I would think they could open themselves up to a DoJ
>> vs Microsoft style lawsuit.
>
> How so? I mean, they've banned tons of stuff they do themselves from
> the AppStore (web browsers (i.e. web rendering engines), for
> instance), and no suing yet?

Perhaps because no one has deep enough pockets to fight Apple's war
chest? I dunno...

Google, OTOH, would have an adequate size war chest.

--
MFB

[Sandman]

In article <k3l9p5$jaa$1...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
wrote:

Googles war chest is pocket money compared to Apples, so funding
surely isn't the problem here.


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Sandman[.net]

[Flint]

I really don't care to get into a chest thumping, territorial line
spraying thing over who's war chest is bigger, expecially over a
hypothetical app submission refusal.

I just know both companies have puh-lenty of money to fight a long
drawn out protracted legal battle if need be - and both would be losers.

I suspect both know it too.


--
MFB

[Sandman]

In article <slrnk600sl....@mbp55.local>,

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> If Apple doesn't, I would think they could open themselves up to a DoJ
> >> vs Microsoft style lawsuit.
>
> > How so? I mean, they've banned tons of stuff they do themselves from
> > the AppStore (web browsers (i.e. web rendering engines),
>

> Like Opera, Axis, and Chrome?

Exactly. Neither of these are allowed to use their own rendering
engine on iOS. They all need to use Webkit from Apple, also using
Apples slower javascript engine on top of that. The faster on is
reserved for Safari.

Well, Opera is Opera mini - rendering takes place on their servers and
not on the device.


--
Sandman[.net]

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 24.09.2012 08:54, Lewis wrote:

> The point is, Apple does not have a monopoly of any kind on anything.
>
They would love to and are actively trying...
Apparently, they have achieved to break through the brains of many
people and have got armadas of zombies.
They are surely even more successful as Scientology.
S. Jobs and R.L.Hubbard must be counting the points, day by day.


--
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

[Jon]

On 21/09/2012 5:41 am, Flint wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>

Google Maps was fucking terrible when it first started, but I guess a
lot of people have forgotten that.

[Sandman]

In article <k3pr4a$g59$1...@dont-email.me>, Jon <j...@no-email.org>
wrote:

> Google Maps was fucking terrible when it first started, but I guess a
> lot of people have forgotten that.

No it wasn't. Google Maps was fucking awesome when it first started.


--
Sandman[.net]

[Flint]

Yeah, that's why Apple is going to former Google Map app developers to
fix their screwed up map app...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/apple-recruiting-former-google-employees-to-make-amend-for-faulty-ios6-maps-app/17264.html

--
MFB

[ed]

On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:51:19 PM UTC-7, Flint wrote:
> On 9/24/2012 10:35 AM, Jon wrote:

...

> Yeah, that's why Apple is going to former Google Map app developers to
> fix their screwed up map app...
>
>
>
> http://vr-zone.com/articles/apple-recruiting-former-google-employees-to-make-amend-for-faulty-ios6-maps-app/17264.html

'Another coworker that was a project lead at Google Maps, left for the East Coast after his contract ended, and was recently contacted by an Apple recruiter. The position sounds like a product development manager position, and will pay him $85k+ and all the moving expenses from the East Coast. He’s gone through 2 rounds of interview and seems like a frontrunner to land that position.”'

sorry, i don't find that story credible based just on this- $85k for a product development manager job, for someone with gis experience and lead a project at a well regarded competitor, in palo alto? sheesh, yeah, right, they might as well tell him to bend over and kiss his own ass.

[KDT]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:24:51 AM UTC-4, Nashton wrote:

> On 12-09-21 1:41 AM, Flint wrote:
>
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
> >
>
> > Apparently a lot of other think so...
>
> >
>
>
>

> No more Google apps such as Youtube

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8&uo=2&v0=WWW-NAUS-ITSTOP100
> and Maps.
>

http://maps.google.com

> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
>
> and MS.
>
>

Uhh, Google is free to put a maps app in the app store.

>
> I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
>
> the near future.

Google has already put a Youtube app in the app store....

>
>
>
> In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
>
> an iPhone.....

Well, since you are the one who doesn't seem to know that not only is there already an official Youtube app from Google but that you can also simply go to youtube.com and view videos on any ios device, what does that say about you?

Have fun waiting for Rim to come out with something decent....

[Nashton]

On 12-09-25 12:24 AM, KDT wrote:
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:24:51 AM UTC-4, Nashton wrote:
>> On 12-09-21 1:41 AM, Flint wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No more Google apps such as Youtube
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8&uo=2&v0=WWW-NAUS-ITSTOP100
>> and Maps.
>>
>
> http://maps.google.com
>
>
>> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
>>
>> and MS.
>>
>>
>
> Uhh, Google is free to put a maps app in the app store.

I know, fangirl. And that is great for users.

>
>>
>> I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
>>
>> the near future.
>
> Google has already put a Youtube app in the app store....

That's nice. Ditto.

>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
>>
>> an iPhone.....
>
> Well, since you are the one who doesn't seem to know that not only is there

> already an official Youtube app from Google but that you can also simply

> go to youtube.com and view videos on any ios device, what does that say about you?
>
> Have fun waiting for Rim to come out with something decent....
>

I'm already using non-Apple tablets and they suit my needs perfectly.
What makes you think I'm waiting for something from RIM? Are you retarded?

[Flint]

Nah, he's just stuck in a time warp and is confusing you for me.



--
MFB

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3s5p9$t9h$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

Right.

To suit your needs perfectly, you need to use multiple tablets.

LOL

> What makes you think I'm waiting for something from RIM? Are you retarded?

--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook

[Laszlo Lebrun]

On 25.09.2012 19:12, Alan Baker wrote:
> To suit your needs perfectly, you need to use multiple tablets.

Yes, when the other one is in the dishwasher.
SCNR

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3sqj0$rvd$1...@tota-refugium.de>,

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_...@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 25.09.2012 19:12, Alan Baker wrote:
> > To suit your needs perfectly, you need to use multiple tablets.
>
> Yes, when the other one is in the dishwasher.
> SCNR

Hey...

Nicolas brags about how his tablet choices are better than an iPad...

...and doesn't see how hilarious it is that he had to buy two tablets to
get his needs covered.

:-)

[KDT]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:50:05 AM UTC-4, Nashton wrote:

> >> No more Google apps such as Youtube
>
> >
>
> > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8&uo=2&v0=WWW-NAUS-ITSTOP100
>
> >> and Maps.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > http://maps.google.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
>
> >>
>
> >> and MS.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > Uhh, Google is free to put a maps app in the app store.
>
>
>
> I know, fangirl. And that is great for users.
>
>

So if you "knew" that Google already had a Youtube app available on the app store, then why did you say "No more Google apps such as Youtube"?

>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> I wonder if they'll approve the newer Google map/Youtube app for iOS6 in
>
> >>
>
> >> the near future.
>
> >
>
> > Google has already put a Youtube app in the app store....
>
>
>
> That's nice. Ditto.
>

So why did you "wonder" if Apple would allow a Youtube app when there was already one available?

>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> In the meantime, brain-dead Maccies are lining up for days to purchase
>
> >>
>
> >> an iPhone.....
>
> >
>
> > Well, since you are the one who doesn't seem to know that not only is there
>
>
>
> > already an official Youtube app from Google but that you can also simply
>
>
>
> > go to youtube.com and view videos on any ios device, what does that say about you?
>
> >
>
> > Have fun waiting for Rim to come out with something decent....
>
> >
>
>
>
> I'm already using non-Apple tablets and they suit my needs perfectly.
>
> What makes you think I'm waiting for something from RIM? Are you retarded?

Well maybe because you said you were waiting on the new BlackBerrys?

[ed]

On Monday, September 24, 2012 8:24:22 PM UTC-7, KDT wrote:
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:24:51 AM UTC-4, Nashton wrote:

...

> Uhh, Google is free to put a maps app in the app store.

well, they're free to submit one for apple to put into the app store. ;D

...

[Nashton]

Sure I said that, just as iPhone 4 users were waiting for the iPhone 5.

I'll be glad to enlighten you further in case this notion goes over your
head ....again.

[Sandman]

In article <k3hmaf$gs7$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>

wrote:

> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
> >
> > Apparently a lot of other think so...
>

> No more Google apps such as Youtube and Maps.
>
> ...

>
> This is monopolistic behavior at its best. Very reminiscent of Netscape
> and MS.

Well, at least it's monopolistic behavior at its BEST, not its worst,
ey?



--
Sandman[.net]

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/21/12 7:26 AM, Flint wrote:

> A lot of this is a common glitch to new map services, and usually is a
> matter of simple massaging/combing knots out of data.
>
> It's no big thang...
>

Why was it released if it had so many glitches?

Shouldn't they have tested it more and released it when it was ready
and had missing features (public transportation, etc) included?

Is "TomTom", their main map source, a "new map service"?

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/21/12 9:18 AM, Invid Fan wrote:

>> So why didn't they fix it BEFORE the release?
>
> Probably a combination of not wanting to hold the feature back while
> releasing the rest of the OS, and just needing a few million users to
> break the program to see where the bugs are. I'm sure it works
> perfectly in California :)
>

That's why you have public beta testing, to allow users WHO WANT TO BE
GUINEA PIGS, to try out an unfinished product.

This was simply done for emotional reasons, to get rid of Google's
presence on the iPhone. You know they had another year on their
contract, contrary to some stories that the contract for Apple to use
Google Maps had "run out".

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/21/12 9:55 AM, Alan Baker wrote:

>> So why didn't they fix it BOFORE the release?
>
> Because there is so much data, you can't possibly find all the glitches
> in a reasonable length of time. If you want to release the application
> before the next century, you have to accept that there will be things
> you find out once the tens of millions of people who use it will find.
>

It's TomTom map data, a known accurate map source.

Why are you defending an obvious fuck up?

Steve

[Nashton]

It doesn't matter how reasoned, intelligent and logical your arguments are.
The Mac Cult is based on a deep-seated religious belief that defies
logic and reason.

[Alan Baker]

In article <-PWdncEas_2cof7N...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/12 9:55 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> >> So why didn't they fix it BOFORE the release?
> >
> > Because there is so much data, you can't possibly find all the glitches
> > in a reasonable length of time. If you want to release the application
> > before the next century, you have to accept that there will be things
> > you find out once the tens of millions of people who use it will find.
> >
>
> It's TomTom map data, a known accurate map source.

So you know for a fact that every error in Apple's app is not to be
found in TomTom?

You've checked them all?

To say nothing of the fact that some of the glitches are things that
cannot exist in TomTom's data as they are related to the 3rd dimension.

>
> Why are you defending an obvious fuck up?

So how many glitches are they allowed in the release version, Steve? You
tell me.

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3veb0$2q5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

LOL!

[FDK]

"Steve de Mena" wrote in message
news:-PWdncEas_2cof7N...@giganews.com...

Because he is insecure and needs attention.

[Alan Baker]

LOL

[Nashton]

When a Mac Cult member believes that 3 clicks=1 click, what do you expect?

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3vh3c$agl$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

LOL

I believe no such thing, Nicolas.

Are there problems with Apple's map app? Yup.

But given that Google had little incentive to add the features to the
previous app that Apple needed to be competitive with Android, what
choice did Apple have but to get on with their own app?

[MuahMan]

85K in California is poverty level.... thanks to liberals.

[Alan Baker]

In article <b795a2c1-d3ae-4b7e...@googlegroups.com>,

Says the guy living in a bungalow worth about $100K...

I guess it would make you an expert on poverty.

[MuahMan]

You spent 20k on a pile of broken go-kart parts. I'll avoid you financial input. LOL. Off to the beach.

[Alan Baker]

In article <e3da7dd8-4a84-4c65...@googlegroups.com>,

MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:42:30 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <b795a2c1-d3ae-4b7e...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Monday, September 24, 2012 8:36:41 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
> >
> > > > On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:51:19 PM UTC-7, Flint wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > On 9/24/2012 10:35 AM, Jon wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > ...
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Yeah, that's why Apple is going to former Google Map app developers
> > > > > to
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > fix their screwed up map app...
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > http://vr-zone.com/articles/apple-recruiting-former-google-employees-t
> > > > > o-ma
> >
> > > > > ke-amend-for-faulty-ios6-maps-app/17264.html
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > 'Another coworker that was a project lead at Google Maps, left for the
> > > > East
> >
> > > > Coast after his contract ended, and was recently contacted by an Apple
> >
> > > > recruiter. The position sounds like a product development manager
> > > > position,
> >
> > > > and will pay him $85k+ and all the moving expenses from the East Coast.
> >

> > > > He?s gone through 2 rounds of interview and seems like a frontrunner to
> >
> > > > land that position.?'

> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > sorry, i don't find that story credible based just on this- $85k for a
> >
> > > > product development manager job, for someone with gis experience and
> > > > lead a
> >
> > > > project at a well regarded competitor, in palo alto? sheesh, yeah,
> > > > right,
> >
> > > > they might as well tell him to bend over and kiss his own ass.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 85K in California is poverty level.... thanks to liberals.
> >
> >
> >
> > Says the guy living in a bungalow worth about $100K...
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess it would make you an expert on poverty.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > "The iPhone doesn't have...
> >
> > ...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
> >
> > I guess I'll let him off the hook
>
> You spent 20k on a pile of broken go-kart parts. I'll avoid you financial
> input. LOL.

Nope. I spent $10.5K on a car with two engines, spare parts, jigs,
moulds, a purpose-built enclosed trailer, that the owner originally
listed at around $20K.

> Off to the beach.

Is that where your hotdog stand is?

[MuahMan]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 12:40:55 AM UTC-4, Flint wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736
>
>
>
> Apparently a lot of other think so...
>
>
>

> --
>
> MFB

I could stand at stoplights with an empty coffee can an make what you do repairing non-existent Macs.

[Sandman]

In article <k3veb0$2q5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:

> > That's why you have public beta testing, to allow users WHO WANT TO BE
> > GUINEA PIGS, to try out an unfinished product.
> >
> > This was simply done for emotional reasons, to get rid of Google's
> > presence on the iPhone. You know they had another year on their
> > contract, contrary to some stories that the contract for Apple to use
> > Google Maps had "run out".
> >
> > Steve
>
> It doesn't matter how reasoned, intelligent and logical your arguments are.

It's not like Nashton has any experience in trying that though :)


--
Sandman[.net]

[FDK]

"Sandman" wrote in message
news:mr-55A6A5.22...@News.Individual.NET...

Widdle baby had to resort to clipping because he can't compete
otherwise. Fucking loser.

[Sandman]

In article <k3vqpq$b80$1...@dont-email.me>, "FDK" <f...@aol.com> wrote:

> > It doesn't matter how reasoned, intelligent and logical your
> > arguments are.
>
> >It's not like Nashton has any experience in trying that though :)
>
> Widdle

Baby speak just fits Michael so well :)


--
Sandman[.net]

[KDT]

So you're not waiting but you are waiting....got it.

[Invid Fan]

In article <-PWdncYas_31pv7N...@giganews.com>, Steve de

Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/12 9:18 AM, Invid Fan wrote:
>
> >> So why didn't they fix it BEFORE the release?
> >
> > Probably a combination of not wanting to hold the feature back while
> > releasing the rest of the OS, and just needing a few million users to
> > break the program to see where the bugs are. I'm sure it works
> > perfectly in California :)
> >
>
> That's why you have public beta testing, to allow users WHO WANT TO BE
> GUINEA PIGS, to try out an unfinished product.
>

Apple's software can be as bad as anyone's when it first comes out :) I
apparently took part in an unannounced beta program regarding their iOS
podcast app. It was total crap. A few updates have improved it so it's
at least useable, which is good as podcasts have been stripped from my
iPod's Music app, but still has things that annoy me.

--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[KDT]

So it was "emotional" that Google wouldn't allow turn by turn directions?

[KDT]

You mean like "you believed" that Apple wouldn't allow a YouTube app on the app store that's been there for three weeks?

[Tim Adams]

In article <alangbaker-C11B4...@news.shawcable.net>,

Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

> In article <k3vh3c$agl$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > On 09-26-12 2:31 PM, Steve de Mena wrote:
> > > On 9/21/12 9:55 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > >
> > >>> So why didn't they fix it BOFORE the release?
> > >>
> > >> Because there is so much data, you can't possibly find all the glitches
> > >> in a reasonable length of time. If you want to release the application
> > >> before the next century, you have to accept that there will be things
> > >> you find out once the tens of millions of people who use it will find.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's TomTom map data, a known accurate map source.
> > >
> > > Why are you defending an obvious fuck up?
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > When a Mac Cult member believes that 3 clicks=1 click, what do you expect?
>
> LOL
>
> I believe no such thing, Nicolas.
>
> Are there problems with Apple's map app? Yup.
>
> But given that Google had little incentive to add the features to the
> previous app that Apple needed to be competitive with Android, what
> choice did Apple have but to get on with their own app?

Alan, the previous app was written by Apple not Google.

You might also note that many of the initial complaints have already been fixed.

--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

[Steve de Mena]

No, that was good business sense.

Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
what was there before is emotional.

Steve

[Alan Baker]

In article <k3vqpq$b80$1...@dont-email.me>, "FDK" <f...@aol.com> wrote:

Seriously: if you want any of your socks to remain anonymous for more
than a day, you HAVE to change your habitual language.

[Sandman]

In article <xaidnXJ8fqBUPf7N...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

> > So it was "emotional" that Google wouldn't allow turn by turn directions?
>
> No, that was good business sense.
>
> Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
> what was there before is emotional.

So, if they had replaced it with something considered superior - would
it be less emotional?



--
Sandman[.net]

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/26/12 7:27 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <xaidnXJ8fqBUPf7N...@giganews.com>

> Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

>> Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
>> what was there before is emotional.
>

> Not universally. Not even close.
>

http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

[Steve de Mena]

Of course. Replacing an app with something better is always good business.

http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

Steve

[Steve de Mena]

On 9/26/12 10:12 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <k3vqpq$b80$1...@dont-email.me>, "FDK" <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Sandman" wrote in message
>> news:mr-55A6A5.22...@News.Individual.NET...
>>
>> In article <k3veb0$2q5$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> That's why you have public beta testing, to allow users WHO WANT
>>>> TO BE
>>>> GUINEA PIGS, to try out an unfinished product.
>>>>
>>>> This was simply done for emotional reasons, to get rid of Google's
>>>> presence on the iPhone. You know they had another year on their
>>>> contract, contrary to some stories that the contract for Apple to
>>>> use
>>>> Google Maps had "run out".
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter how reasoned, intelligent and logical your
>>> arguments are.
>>
>>> It's not like Nashton has any experience in trying that though :)
>>
>> Widdle baby had to resort to clipping because he can't compete
>> otherwise. Fucking loser.
>
> Seriously: if you want any of your socks to remain anonymous for more
> than a day, you HAVE to change your habitual language.
>

http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

[Alan Baker]

In article <QqmdnYSw59xuHPrN...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

That's a reply to my comments to Michael?

I never said there weren't problems with the new maps app, Steve.

[Sandman]

In article <QqmdnYWw59x6HPrN...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

> >> Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
> >> what was there before is emotional.
> >
> > So, if they had replaced it with something considered superior - would
> > it be less emotional?
>
> Of course. Replacing an app with something better is always good business.

So whether the replacement was emotional (for Apple) or not depends
wholly on the quality of the developers of the function?

--
Sandman[.net]

[Nashton]

On 12-09-26 11:27 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <xaidnXJ8fqBUPf7N...@giganews.com>

> Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

>> Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
>> what was there before is emotional.
>

> Not universally. Not even close.
>

Oh yes, universally.
Are you in denial fanguuurl?

[Laszlo Lebrun]

> ...

No, not universally.
Baker is the exception that jeopardizes the mentioned universality.
Ok, one can also consider he belongs to another universe...
Laszlo

--
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

[David Fritzinger]

In article <QqmdnYWw59x6HPrN...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:

> On 9/27/12 5:55 AM, Sandman wrote:
> > In article <xaidnXJ8fqBUPf7N...@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> So it was "emotional" that Google wouldn't allow turn by turn directions?
> >>
> >> No, that was good business sense.
> >>
> >> Apple replacing an app with one universally proclaimed as inferior to
> >> what was there before is emotional.
> >
> > So, if they had replaced it with something considered superior - would
> > it be less emotional?
>
> Of course. Replacing an app with something better is always good business.
>
> http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/
>
> Steve

Apple released Map.app before it was ready, and there are problems with
it. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. However, from what I
have heard, Apple felt they badly needed turn-by-turn directions, which
Google wasn't willing to bake into the iOS version of Maps. So, Apple
had two choices, as they saw it. They could have developed their own
program, or they could have been left with a Map program from Google
that would be forever inferior to the Map application offered on
Android. Should they have done more testing before they released the
application (perhaps as a point release in iOS 6)? Probably.

I guess the upside for Apple (and iOS users) is that by releasing the
app essentially as a beta, it will become more mature faster, since
there will be far more chance for corrections to be made.

[FDK]

"Flint" wrote in message news:k3gr4m$r0c$1...@dont-email.me...

>http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736

>Apparently a lot of other think so...

Apple screws up, the "Defenders of the Faith" jump in with all their
whining and teeth gnashing and reassignment of blame, in an amusingly
pathetic attempt at damage control. I guess they can eke out a living
from the dole and the Apple stipend. My advice to them; try to get a
real job.

Great OP. They came running out of the woodwork and from under rocks.

[Laszlo Lebrun]

Although, if you really need a GPS guidance, you would have got a real
GPS software, working unleashed.

[Flint]

I was with you right up to that last sentence. If this was Apple's
reason for bringing out their own map app, all I can say is they
greatly miscalculated their app as being a 'beta' level app. I don't
disagree they can benefit from millions of users banging on the app.
What I disagree with is that there is any logical argument for doing
so when their pre-announcing their intention to do their own app (hen
disincentivized Google in continuing supporting iOS before Apple is
ready to roll out its own map app/service). It was actually
shortsighted on its part at best, annoying to its users at worst.

The real blunder was not the app itself, it was Apple's execution
beginning with them pre-announcing an app/service they haven't
thoroughly tested BEFORE going live with it. EOS

This is a fuckup, plain and simple. Any attempt to rationalize this
away is pure looniness on the part of fanboys.

Having said that, I have no doubt Apple will fix it, and probably
develop an app that will rival everyone else, eventually. I see that
as a good thing as it will keep Google and Microsoft on their toes (as
they should), and consumers of all ecosystems benefit as a result.

Like Alan said and openly conceded way upthread, Apple still has work
to do.




--
MFB

[Flint]

It certainly is starting to look that way, isn't? The ironic thing is
I really wasn't even trolling with that OP. But just sort of throwing
it out there to get a perspective as to what was going on with it.
The funny thing is Alan started out with a simple acknowledgement of
the situation as a reality, but then he backslid into his old ways and
succumbed yet again to the RDF with apple-a-gist behavior.

--
MFB