Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
Cuss and discuss.
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> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-3-
> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
> Cuss and discuss.
I think you and Paul "Baloo" Johnson are bosom buddies. He bitches about
California's residents in alt.fan.furry while you bitch about Europeans
and the Mac here. Both of you need to get lives.
Jealous?
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Internet Explorer is my browser of choice."
Steve Jobs
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:26:11 -0500, "Jim Lee Jr."
> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
> wisdom:
>
> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
> >> -3-
> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >>
> >> Cuss and discuss.
> >
> >I think you and Paul "Baloo" Johnson are bosom buddies. He bitches about
> >California's residents in alt.fan.furry while you bitch about Europeans
> >and the Mac here. Both of you need to get lives.
>
> Jealous?
Why would I be jealous of whiney bitches?
Way to prove your point, dumbass:
"Denmark and Sweden fared the best in the survey by the European
Commission's statistical office, with 90 per cent of the population
between the ages of 16 and 74 being computer literate."
>In article <8j5h921lufj9ulf38...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:26:11 -0500, "Jim Lee Jr."
>> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
>> wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
>> >> -3-
>> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>> >>
>> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>> >>
>> >> Cuss and discuss.
>> >
>> >I think you and Paul "Baloo" Johnson are bosom buddies. He bitches about
>> >California's residents in alt.fan.furry while you bitch about Europeans
>> >and the Mac here. Both of you need to get lives.
>>
>> Jealous?
>
>Why would I be jealous of whiney bitches?
Still there it is.
>Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
And you think that no one is in that 10%?
>
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-3-
> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
>
>
> Cuss and discuss.
I will not group all of Europe with Sandman. I have only been to Europe
briefly, but did not encounter the depth of dishonesty and denial that he
spews on a daily basis.
--
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€ Teaching is a "real job"
€ The tilde in an OS X path does *not* mean "the hard drive only"
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:17:09 -0600, "Elizabot v2.0.3"
> <Eliz...@NsOpSyPmAaMc.com> chose to bless us with the following
> wisdom:
>
>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-
>>> 3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>>
>>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>
>> Way to prove your point, dumbass:
>>
>> "Denmark and Sweden fared the best in the survey by the European
>> Commission's statistical office, with 90 per cent of the population
>> between the ages of 16 and 74 being computer literate."
>
> And you think that no one is in that 10%?
>
Heck, that 10% may be made up by Sandman and his sock puppets. :)
--
€ Things which are not the same are not "identical"
€ Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
€ OS X is partially based on BSD (esp. FreeBSD)
>
>http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
>Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
>
Hit the nail on the head. Anyone running a Mac lacks basic computer
skills.
My Mac is getting a bit old so I no longer run it... though it still enjoys
long walks.
Bullshit.
--
George Graves
The health of our society is a direct result of the men
and women we choose to admire.
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-3-
> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
Personal attacks, eh? Ah well.
--
Sandman[.net]
>In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
Mr. Pot chimes in.
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-3-
> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
>
>
> Cuss and discuss.
LOL
Sandman runs his own webhosting company...
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:09:39 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
> >> -3-
> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >
> >Personal attacks, eh? Ah well.
>
> Mr. Pot chimes in.
Pleased to meet you.
--
Sandman[.net]
Do I?
How about some statistics where *you* live, Mayor?
For population 25 years and over in Middletown
* High school or higher: 81.4%
* Bachelor's degree or higher: 10.3%
* Graduate or professional degree: 3.6%
* Unemployed: 9.0%
* Mean travel time to work: 27.7 minutes
Now, I don't claim to know the margin of error on these statistics, but
I'd say it's just as likely that you are unemployed and/or three times
*less* likely that you have a graduate degree, as Sandman's chances of
being computer illiterate. :-P
Sandman is a Troll. Dishonesty and denial are well within the bounds. BTW,
I'm not signaling him out, just about everyone on this group qualifies.
>
> "Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:C0BE132E.526C0%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID...
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
>> fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com on 6/20/06 4:54 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-
>>> 3-
>>> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>>
>>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cuss and discuss.
>>
>> I will not group all of Europe with Sandman. I have only been to Europe
>> briefly, but did not encounter the depth of dishonesty and denial that he
>> spews on a daily basis.
>
> Sandman is a Troll. Dishonesty and denial are well within the bounds.
But Sandman says that Mike is the only one who sees through his crap and
realizes he is a lying troll. Well, he *also* says that I see through his
crap as do Mayor and Edwin. But he never says you do. How could he be so
wrong? Again.
> BTW,
> I'm not signaling him out, just about everyone on this group qualifies.
Far too many do. And it is easy to support that accusation.
>In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
And yet something braindead simple like networking Windows totally
eludes him. I hope he pays his tech guys well. He sure as hell isn't
doing that work.
Why, Elizabot, you surprise me. I had no idea that a delicate little
flower such as yourself had the strength to drag those big, heavy
goalposts so far.
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:09:39 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>> In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-
>>> 3-
>>> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>>
>>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>>
>> Personal attacks, eh? Ah well.
>
> Mr. Pot chimes in.
But Sandman claims to *never* make personal attacks - even thought he Google
record clearly proves he does: <http://snipurl.com/Sandman_Attacks>.
>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
>kvoh9210g8rmj9s63...@4ax.com on 6/20/06 11:15 PM:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:09:39 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
>> bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>>> In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
>>> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1-
>>>> 3-
>>>> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>>>
>>>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>>>
>>> Personal attacks, eh? Ah well.
>>
>> Mr. Pot chimes in.
>
>But Sandman claims to *never* make personal attacks - even thought he Google
>record clearly proves he does: <http://snipurl.com/Sandman_Attacks>.
Sandman does nothing but make personal attacks, lie and troll.
Er, I think this one is a dud, Mayor. Sweden and Norway had the
highest computer literacy rate- 90%. I doubt the USA does any better
than that.
C'mon, Mayor, you blew it. You tried to embarrass Sandman with
European computer literacy statistics, and you overlooked that his
country is amongst the most literate.
Your error resulted from your unfortunate habit of lumping all your
'enemies' together. As with environmentalists, Europeans shouldn't
all be tossed into the same bag.
C'mon, Mayor, you blew it. You tried to embarrass Sandman with
Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
--
"Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD" - Snit
"Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
like myself" - Snit
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:37:56 -0700, Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
>> kvoh9210g8rmj9s63...@4ax.com on 6/20/06 11:15 PM:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:09:39 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
>>> bless us with the following wisdom:
>>>
>>>> In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-
>>>>> 1-
>>>>> 3-
>>>>> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Personal attacks, eh? Ah well.
>>>
>>> Mr. Pot chimes in.
>>
>> But Sandman claims to *never* make personal attacks - even thought he Google
>> record clearly proves he does: <http://snipurl.com/Sandman_Attacks>.
>
> Sandman does nothing but make personal attacks, lie and troll.
What about when he... well... there was that time when... um....
Damn, no counter argument comes to mind. Can *anyone* find a counter
example?
> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
LOL!
Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
--
€ As of Feb 2006 Apple had no wireless Mighty Mouse
€ If A = B then B = A (known as the "symmetric property of equality")
€ One can be guilty of a crime but neither tried nor convicted
Gee, Sandman, funny:
Sandman Objective Troll Criteria Summary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 [ ] Obfuscation
2 [ ] Antagonizing threads
3 [ ] Ignoring evidence
4 [ ] Antagonizing through other media
5 [ ] Quote-scavanging
6 [ ] Thread hijacking
7 [X] Projection
8 [ ] Unsubstantiated accusations
9 [ ] Unsubstantiated "refutations"
10 [ ] Forging posts and material
----------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL! Don't you realize yet that you fit your criteria very, very well.
Thanks for admitting you are a troll.
HTTP://snipurl.com/sandman_attacks
Have you admitted the Google record is correct yet, Sandman? LOL!
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:03:41 GMT, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
> >> -3-
> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cuss and discuss.
> >
> >LOL
> >
> >Sandman runs his own webhosting company...
>
> And yet something braindead simple like networking Windows totally
> eludes him. I hope he pays his tech guys well. He sure as hell isn't
> doing that work.
So no problem a user encounters with Windows is ever the fault of
Windows, is that right? Or is it just right when you want to toss around
insults?
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
>
> > Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
> > the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
> > Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
>
> Lookie!
... you can drool glue? Yes, I know... everyone knows.
Nobody said that.
> Or is it just right when you want to toss around
> insults?
It's never right. It's a Maccie straw man. Look at it well, for this
is one of the few times "straw man" has been used properly on this NG.
> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
>
> > Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
> > the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
> > Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
>
> Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
> Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
>
> LOL!
>
> Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
Says the guy who is well known for trolling using the names of people in
the title of bullshit threads he's started. Cap the tube, Snot;)
> In article <C0BF0E96.527E4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
>>
>>> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
>>> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
>>> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
>>
>> Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
>> Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
>
> Says the guy who is well known for trolling using the names of people in
> the title of bullshit threads he's started.
Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment, you present the
implied straw man that says I *agree* with your and Sandman's trolling.
Then you make your typical drug references. Someday I hope you rise to the
level of being able to have a mature conversation, Steve.
> Cap the tube, Snot;)
--
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <7qhi921ih23h8pdm5...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:03:41 GMT, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> > > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> > >
> > > >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
> > > > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterat
> > > >> es-1
> > > >> -3-
> > > >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Cuss and discuss.
> > > >
> > > >LOL
> > > >
> > > >Sandman runs his own webhosting company...
> > >
> > > And yet something braindead simple like networking Windows totally
> > > eludes him. I hope he pays his tech guys well. He sure as hell isn't
> > > doing that work.
> >
> > So no problem a user encounters with Windows is ever the fault of
> > Windows, is that right?
>
> Nobody said that.
He implied it.
>
> > Or is it just right when you want to toss around
> > insults?
>
> It's never right. It's a Maccie straw man. Look at it well, for this
> is one of the few times "straw man" has been used properly on this NG.
LOL
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:03:41 GMT, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
> >> -3-
> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cuss and discuss.
> >
> >LOL
> >
> >Sandman runs his own webhosting company...
>
> And yet something braindead simple like networking Windows totally
> eludes him. I hope he pays his tech guys well. He sure as hell isn't
> doing that work.
What tech guy? Do you think I use Windows servers for my company? Haha!
--
Sandman[.net]
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-F539EB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 5:22 PM:
>
> > In article <C0BF0E96.527E4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> > Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> >> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> >> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
> >>
> >>> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
> >>> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
> >>> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
> >>
> >> Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
> >> Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
> >
> > Says the guy who is well known for trolling using the names of people in
> > the title of bullshit threads he's started.
>
> Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment
I understand the many ways you keep showing yourself to be a hypocrite.
People like you and Clyde often whine when the shit they do to others is
thrown back at them.
> In article <C0BF34F7.52809%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-F539EB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 5:22 PM:
>>
>>> In article <C0BF0E96.527E4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
>>> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>>>> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
>>>>> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
>>>>> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
>>>> Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
>>>
>>> Says the guy who is well known for trolling using the names of people in
>>> the title of bullshit threads he's started.
>>
>> Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment
>
> I understand the many ways you keep showing yourself to be a hypocrite.
> People like you and Clyde often whine when the shit they do to others is
> thrown back at them.
Perhaps you do understand what I said... which is why you dishonestly
snipped and ran from it. Here it is again:
-----
Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment, you present the
implied straw man that says I *agree* with your and Sandman's trolling.
Then you make your typical drug references. Someday I hope you rise to the
level of being able to have a mature conversation, Steve.
-----
You are back to being able to do almost nothing but dishonestly snip and
run, Steve. You are a coward, a troll, and an admitted asshole and moron.
Worse than that, you are a bigot - though you snip and run from the
discussions about that as well. Here is (some of) what you run from on that
topic:
-----
The sad part is your attempts to try to claim other people are as bigoted as
you are because they *also* make stupid drug related comments... even when
they have not shown themselves to be bigots.
Again, Steve, you just show off your inability to understand the written
word... even when you are the one who has written it! Bottom like, Steve,
is you are a bigot: you have repeated stated you troll and flame me based on
your perception of my "bizarre behavior", but the only behavior you can
support is to point to ancient posts of mine from a health related group
where I discussed my health concerns.
Who else has shown such bigotry, Steve? What makes you think everyone who
makes a drug allegation flame is as bigoted as you? Come on, Steve... can't
you are least *try* to understand and provide an honest and mature response.
-----
Of course, that's why I said you're a hypocrite. Anyone can see that
you are whining about the very thing you constantly do on this NG. Do
you really think people won't notice? I keep telling you... people just
aren't as stupid as you need them to be.
No he didn't.
> >
> > > Or is it just right when you want to toss around
> > > insults?
> >
> > It's never right. It's a Maccie straw man. Look at it well, for this
> > is one of the few times "straw man" has been used properly on this NG.
>
> LOL
Your shorthand for "duh,what?"
>>> I understand the many ways you keep showing yourself to be a hypocrite.
>>> People like you and Clyde often whine when the shit they do to others is
>>> thrown back at them.
>>
>> Perhaps you do understand what I said... which is why you dishonestly snipped
>> and ran from it.
>
> Of course,
And you always will run. You are a bigot and by now you have even figured
it out. You have even said that when you run from discussions you do so
because you know you would be ripped to pieces.
> that's why I said you're a hypocrite. Anyone can see that you are whining
> about the very thing you constantly do on this NG.
By all means, Steve, support your accusation! What do you think I am
"whining" about? What do you think I am doing? Here is a hint:
You and Sandman try to pretend that number of people in CSMA making
accusations against someone is evidence of what those people say...
not only do I show why this is incorrect, I show that if you do
foolishly believe it, that you and he are also spoken poorly about.
The fact is it is our actions that define us... not what others say
about us. And your actions, Steve, show you to be a bigot - even you
have admitted that you run from such discussions because you know you
would get ripped to shreds. Sandman and you are both trolls, though
that is of much less concern that your open bigotry.
-----
The sad part is your attempts to try to claim other people are as bigoted as
you are because they *also* make stupid drug related comments... even when
they have not shown themselves to be bigots.
Again, Steve, you just show off your inability to understand the written
word... even when you are the one who has written it! Bottom like, Steve,
is you are a bigot: you have repeated stated you troll and flame me based on
your perception of my "bizarre behavior", but the only behavior you can
support is to point to ancient posts of mine from a health related group
where I discussed my health concerns.
Who else has shown such bigotry, Steve? What makes you think everyone who
makes a drug allegation flame is as bigoted as you? Come on, Steve... can't
you are least *try* to understand and provide an honest and mature response.
-----
> Do you really think people won't notice?
Won't notice *what*? That you make accusations but refuse to support them
while running from all discussions of your behavior? What makes you think
people are so stupid as to not see your bigotry and irrational flaming?
> I keep telling you... people just aren't as stupid as you need them to be.
What the hell do you even mean by that? I want people to be honest and
honorable... and anything but "stupid".
> In article <C0BF34F7.52809%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>> noone-F539EB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 5:22 PM:
>>
>>> In article <C0BF0E96.527E4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
>>> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
>>>> noone-8461FB....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 6/21/06 8:30 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> Says Clyde as he projects his activity onto someone else while missing
>>>>> the obvious point which now manifests in a new thread entitled 'Clyde
>>>>> Stoeckel explained'. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Lookie! Steve is using someone's name in a thread. I wonder when he and
>>>> Sandman will jump up and down and point to his trolling?
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Gotta love how much they deny their double standards.
>>>
>>> Says the guy who is well known for trolling using the names of people in
>>> the title of bullshit threads he's started.
>>
>> Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment
>
> I understand the many ways you keep showing yourself to be a hypocrite.
> People like you and Clyde often whine when the shit they do to others is
> thrown back at them.
Perhaps you do understand what I said... which is why you dishonestly
snipped and ran from it. Here it is again:
-----
Not only do you show no sign of understanding my comment, you present the
implied straw man that says I *agree* with your and Sandman's trolling.
Then you make your typical drug references. Someday I hope you rise to the
level of being able to have a mature conversation, Steve.
-----
You are back to being able to do almost nothing but dishonestly snip and
run, Steve. You are a coward, a troll, and an admitted asshole and moron.
Worse than that, you are a bigot - though you snip and run from the
discussions about that as well. Here is (some of) what you run from on that
topic:
-----
The sad part is your attempts to try to claim other people are as bigoted as
you are because they *also* make stupid drug related comments... even when
they have not shown themselves to be bigots.
Again, Steve, you just show off your inability to understand the written
word... even when you are the one who has written it! Bottom like, Steve,
is you are a bigot: you have repeated stated you troll and flame me based on
your perception of my "bizarre behavior", but the only behavior you can
support is to point to ancient posts of mine from a health related group
where I discussed my health concerns.
Who else has shown such bigotry, Steve? What makes you think everyone who
makes a drug allegation flame is as bigoted as you? Come on, Steve... can't
you are least *try* to understand and provide an honest and mature response.
-----
--
>In article <7qhi921ih23h8pdm5...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:03:41 GMT, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <fi2h92tbbudkrq471...@4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-1
>> >> -3-
>> >> european-adults-lack-basic.html
>> >>
>> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cuss and discuss.
>> >
>> >LOL
>> >
>> >Sandman runs his own webhosting company...
>>
>> And yet something braindead simple like networking Windows totally
>> eludes him. I hope he pays his tech guys well. He sure as hell isn't
>> doing that work.
>
>So no problem a user encounters with Windows is ever the fault of
>Windows, is that right?
And once again we see Alan reaching out to grab absurdities off the
shelf that were not present in the posting.
> Or is it just right when you want to toss around
>insults?
Its just when Sandman confesses to posting nonsense in order to make
Windows look bad. He's had the situation explained to him and been
given the solution. All he replies with is 'It didn't work.' If this
were the first time he'd done this he might have some credibility.
However since this is a regular game with him, and if his Windows
machines really had all the problems he claims they do they wouldn't
even run, I'm feeling pretty good calling bullshit on him.
I'd say that you inferred it but there's nothing in my post that would
lead a reasonable person to come to that conclusion. I'm going to have
to say that you snatched this out of your Big Box of Absurdities that
you like to keep next to your computer.
>
>>
>> > Or is it just right when you want to toss around
>> > insults?
>>
>> It's never right. It's a Maccie straw man. Look at it well, for this
>> is one of the few times "straw man" has been used properly on this NG.
>
>LOL
What's funny is George's new complaint about Windows. He's genuinely
surprised that when you shut down the trackpad completely its actually
shut down completely. Apparently when you shut down the trackpad
completely on a Mac it still works. Now that's a call for LOL!
He confessed to no such thing. He had problems, he reported them.
And his credibility far outstrips yours.
>> Its just when Sandman confesses to posting nonsense in order to make
>> Windows look bad. He's had the situation explained to him and been
>> given the solution. All he replies with is 'It didn't work.' If this
>> were the first time he'd done this he might have some credibility.
>> However since this is a regular game with him, and if his Windows
>> machines really had all the problems he claims they do they wouldn't
>> even run, I'm feeling pretty good calling bullshit on him.
>
> He confessed to no such thing. He had problems, he reported them.
>
> And his credibility far outstrips yours.
Sandman does repeatedly play the game where he belittles those that help him
and then tries to make himself look more knowledgeable or more worthy.
Heck, look at how Sandman humiliated himself when he took my advice for
bettering his web skills and then continued to spew accusations and lies
about me. He was pathetic.
Do you have a contract with someone that contains a clause stipulating
that must always be wrong?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bad6d3edc70fdbb4?dmode=source&hl=en
>
>And his credibility far outstrips yours.
Among braindead Maccies who will believe anything another braindead
Maccie says and deny anything said by a non-Maccie.
It says nothing about posting anything that could be construed as
"nonsense". It only says that he wasn't making the post hoping to find a
solution from the likes of you.
And no surprise, you didn't fail to live down to his low expectations.
>> Do you have a contract with someone that contains a clause stipulating
>> that must always be wrong?
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bad6d3edc70fdbb4?dmo>>
d
>> e=source&hl=en
>
> It says nothing about posting anything that could be construed as
> "nonsense". It only says that he wasn't making the post hoping to find a
> solution from the likes of you.
* Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
* Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post trolling
and flaming (to make fun of people).
* Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of the
people in CSMA.
* When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
* Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
Sandman is a troll. Period.
> > Or is it just right when you want to toss around
> >insults?
>
> Its just when Sandman confesses to posting nonsense in order to make
> Windows look bad. He's had the situation explained to him and been
> given the solution. All he replies with is 'It didn't work.' If this
> were the first time he'd done this he might have some credibility.
> However since this is a regular game with him, and if his Windows
> machines really had all the problems he claims they do they wouldn't
> even run, I'm feeling pretty good calling bullshit on him.
Haha! You always make it so obvious when you've gone into denial-mode
:)
--
Sandman[.net]
> >> Its just when Sandman confesses to posting nonsense in order to make
> >> Windows look bad. He's had the situation explained to him and been
> >> given the solution. All he replies with is 'It didn't work.' If this
> >> were the first time he'd done this he might have some credibility.
> >> However since this is a regular game with him, and if his Windows
> >> machines really had all the problems he claims they do they wouldn't
> >> even run, I'm feeling pretty good calling bullshit on him.
> >
> > He confessed to no such thing. He had problems, he reported them.
> >
> > And his credibility far outstrips yours.
>
> Sandman does repeatedly play the game where he belittles those that help him
> and then tries to make himself look more knowledgeable or more worthy.
Do you have any examples?
Michael Objective Troll Criteria Summary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 [ ] Obfuscation
2 [ ] Antagonizing threads
3 [ ] Ignoring evidence
4 [ ] Antagonizing through other media
5 [ ] Quote-scavanging
6 [ ] Thread hijacking
7 [ ] Projection
8 [X] Unsubstantiated accusations
9 [ ] Unsubstantiated "refutations"
10 [ ] Forging posts and material
11 [ ] Insults
12 [ ] Role Reversal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
8. Unsubstantiated accusations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A troll needs to accuse people of all sort of things, and since
substantiating accusations is time consuming, the troll is likely to
accuse people without substantiation. This is of course closely
related to obfuscation, since most of the time when the troll
actually does offer substantiation, it's based on the trolls own
obfuscation.
--
Sandman[.net]
> * Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
This has never happened.
> * Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post trolling
> and flaming (to make fun of people).
This has never happened.
> * Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of the
> people in CSMA.
This has never happened.
> * When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
This has never happened.
> * Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
> way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
This has never happened.
0 out of 5, Michael.
Michael Objective Troll Criteria Summary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 [X] Obfuscation
2 [ ] Antagonizing threads
3 [ ] Ignoring evidence
4 [ ] Antagonizing through other media
5 [ ] Quote-scavanging
6 [ ] Thread hijacking
7 [ ] Projection
8 [X] Unsubstantiated accusations
9 [ ] Unsubstantiated "refutations"
10 [ ] Forging posts and material
11 [ ] Insults
12 [ ] Role Reversal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Obfuscation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a trolls main weapon. Most trolls are not very good debaters
or have very good or compelling arguments, so it's of outmost
importance that they are well versed in obfuscation instead. This is
mainly noticeable when their "opponents" say something that has even
the slightest chance to be misinterpreted. So even if this
misinterpretation is the most far fetched on can think of, it's
naturally the only valid way it could possibly be interpreted
according to the troll. A fine example of this is in one of Steve
Carrolls posts which was a reply to CSMA_Moderator (a periodic poster
that posts quotes that point out the number of people that has said
unfavorable things about Michael Glasser. Steve Carroll posted this
reply [1] to the original post and quite clearly only quoted one
quote and stated that he was the author of that quote. It is
noteworthy that he directs his comment to Snit, which is due to the
fact that somehow Snit wants to claim that Steve is the one who is
posting as CSMA_Moderator and Steve just plays the same card back.
Snit, being a troll, responds [2] by interpreting Steves reply as an
admittance that he is not the author of the quote he quoted, he is
the author of the entire post that was posted under the name
CSMA_Moderator. You can't get much far fetched than that.
1:<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9f843713b31
751a1>
2:<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fbee674dfde
048da>
> In article <C0C0DA26.52A34%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> * Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
>
> This has never happened.
>
>> * Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post trolling
>> and flaming (to make fun of people).
>
> This has never happened.
>
>> * Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of the
>> people in CSMA.
>
> This has never happened.
>
>> * When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
>
> This has never happened.
>
>> * Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
>> way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
>
> This has never happened.
Your knee-jerk denial does not make the facts change, Sandman. Hey, tell
you what... pick the two you think are hardest to support... and I will show
clear examples in the Google record.
Pick two, Sandman... if you dare.
Prediction: Sandman will run. Even he knows the above accusations about him
are completely correct. The only real question is what games will he play
to try to obfuscate that fact.
Oh, and Sandman, being that in the very post I responded to you went out of
your way to ignore the evidence that has been previously posted and used
unsubstantiated "refutations" I would suggest you keep that in mind as you
pick your two. :)
What do you think he is denying? Do you think Mayor is wrong about you?
In this little caper about your networking at home I have shown where you
are a complete and total hypocrite: <http://snipurl.com/s6f7>. Since you
immediately go into your "denial-mode" when those facts are pointed out,
what makes you think you do not do so elsewhere?
> >> * Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
> >
> > This has never happened.
> >
> >> * Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post
> >> trolling
> >> and flaming (to make fun of people).
> >
> > This has never happened.
> >
> >> * Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of
> >> the
> >> people in CSMA.
> >
> > This has never happened.
> >
> >> * When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
> >
> > This has never happened.
> >
> >> * Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
> >> way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
> >
> > This has never happened.
>
> Your knee-jerk denial does not make the facts change, Sandman. Hey, tell
> you what... pick the two you think are hardest to support...
I pick all five and await your lies and obfuscation. You can type them
here:
In the end - None of the five items of your list has ever happened.
0/5.
--
Sandman[.net]
Or from anyone. He's been given the solution several times. He still
refuses to acknowledge it.
>
>And no surprise, you didn't fail to live down to his low expectations.
Just like you and he never fail to live down to those everyone has of
you.
>>
>> >
>> >And his credibility far outstrips yours.
>>
>> Among braindead Maccies who will believe anything another braindead
>> Maccie says and deny anything said by a non-Maccie.
Well, since you are not able to pick two, I will just go with the first two
- that should be a good representation. Keep in mind that you had the
option for which two I should spend the time for you on...
1) Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
Sandman asking questions that are clearly a plea for help:
Uh, ok... What does that mean? What is "Server"? ...
Why can't Windows be as easy as the Mac, where this would just work?
But then you back pedal and state:
This thread, "Networking with PCs", wasn't really meant as a "help me
out here, guys".
2) Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post
trolling and flaming (to make fun of people).
Just a few of your quotes:
Oh, get real - when did I last try to get you to discuss anything?
... I just make fun of your trolling, Windows apologies, lies
and hypocrisy. I thought you had that figured out years ago.
It's in our interest to make fun with you (I really couldn't bring
myself to call it "argue")
To make fun of you, [name withheld]. What else?
That's because you're mad at me because I constantly make fun of you
since you're a kooky fanboy.
> Why did you even bother to reply?
To make fun of you. That's all I ever do, pretty much.
I make fun of lying teenagers like you? I don't think I'll
ever grow too old for that
Etc. That was just a couple minutes of Googling. I am sure anyone with
moderate skills could double that list if they really wanted to.
Remember, Sandman, I gave you the option to pick which two I spend time
supporting. Tell you what: you do not go into your dishonest knee-jerk
denial mode and actually admit the Google evidence is correct (and, of
course, supports what I said) then I will let you pick the next two. :)
No.
He's reported back that it didn't work.
The real world is more complicated than your fantasy world.
> >
> >And no surprise, you didn't fail to live down to his low expectations.
>
> Just like you and he never fail to live down to those everyone has of
> you.
LOL
> > I pick all five and await your lies and obfuscation. You can type them
> > here:
> >
> > In the end - None of the five items of your list has ever happened.
> > 0/5.
<snip lies and obfuscations>
Right on cue. You're still att 0/5, Michael. Try again :)
--
Sandman[.net]
> >It says nothing about posting anything that could be construed as
> >"nonsense". It only says that he wasn't making the post hoping to find a
> >solution from the likes of you.
>
> Or from anyone. He's been given the solution several times.
When was I given it and who gave it, Clyde?
--
Sandman[.net]
If you really believed that, Sandman, you would not have felt the need to
snip and run. Funny how your actions speak so much louder than your words.
Here is the post you ran from: <http://snipurl.com/TwoIsNotZero>
As I stated in that post:
-----
Remember, Sandman, I gave you the option to pick which two I spend time
supporting. Tell you what: you do not go into your dishonest knee-jerk
denial mode and actually admit the Google evidence is correct (and, of
course, supports what I said) then I will let you pick the next two. :)
-----
And, of course, you were 100% predictable - you snipped, ran, and went into
your dishonest knee-jerk denial mode. Do you have any other mode at all?
In the end, Sandman, the facts remain the same:
-----
* Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
* Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post trolling
and flaming (to make fun of people).
* Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of the
people in CSMA.
* When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
* Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
Sandman is a troll. Period.
-----
Actually its 'mysteriously' started working now that Josh tricked him
into posting something that indicates it has been all along.
>
>The real world is more complicated than your fantasy world.
In the real world Sandman is a lying troll and you're a little toady
that will agree with anything another Maccies says.
Neither of you make any kind of appearance in my fantasies.
>> >
>> >And no surprise, you didn't fail to live down to his low expectations.
>>
>> Just like you and he never fail to live down to those everyone has of
>> you.
>
>LOL
I'm glad that you poor reputation amongst thinking people amuses you.
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-894290.10...@individual.net on 6/24/06 1:27 AM:
>
> > In article <C0C1F5B4.52B9F%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> > Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> >>> I pick all five and await your lies and obfuscation. You can type them
> >>> here:
> >>>
> >>> In the end - None of the five items of your list has ever happened.
> >>> 0/5.
> >
> > <snip lies and obfuscations>
> >
> > Right on cue. You're still att 0/5, Michael. Try again :)
> >
> If you really believed that, Sandman, you would not have felt the need to
> snip and run.
If you were capable of comprehending what was written, you would see that he's
already answered your babbling so he's not snipping and running from anything
other that a repeat of your repeated verbal diarrhea.
babbling snipped
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
> In article <C0C29462.52C12%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>> mr-894290.10...@individual.net on 6/24/06 1:27 AM:
>>
>>> In article <C0C1F5B4.52B9F%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
>>> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I pick all five and await your lies and obfuscation. You can type them
>>>>> here:
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end - None of the five items of your list has ever happened.
>>>>> 0/5.
>>>
>>> <snip lies and obfuscations>
>>>
>>> Right on cue. You're still att 0/5, Michael. Try again :)
>>>
>> If you really believed that, Sandman, you would not have felt the need to
>> snip and run.
>
> If you were capable of comprehending what was written, you would see that he's
> already answered your babbling so he's not snipping and running from anything
> other that a repeat of your repeated verbal diarrhea.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zt2p7
Knee-jerk denials are not *reasoned* answers, which is what I am hoping he
will someday give. I am not denying he has given answers outside of that
parameter, though, oddly enough, the post you point to is not the respond he
gave to the post in question. Perhaps you mean this:
<http://snipurl.com/s8f4>. Notice how Sandman does not offer any *reasoned*
response at all, just - as I said - a knee-jerl denial. Sort of like how
you act, really.
>> Funny how your actions speak so much louder than your words.
>>
>> Here is the post you ran from: <http://snipurl.com/TwoIsNotZero>
>>
>> As I stated in that post:
>>
>> -----
>> Remember, Sandman, I gave you the option to pick which two I spend time
>> supporting. Tell you what: you do not go into your dishonest knee-jerk
>> denial mode and actually admit the Google evidence is correct (and, of
>> course, supports what I said) then I will let you pick the next two. :)
>> -----
Note: no response from Tim Adams.
>> And, of course, you were 100% predictable - you snipped, ran, and went into
>> your dishonest knee-jerk denial mode. Do you have any other mode at all?
>>
>> In the end, Sandman, the facts remain the same:
>>
>> -----
>> * Sandman admits that he asks for help when he does not really want it.
>>
>> * Sandman admits he posts *not* to further conversation but to post trolling
>> and flaming (to make fun of people).
>>
>> * Sandman admits he is not able to hold adult conversations with many of the
>> people in CSMA.
>>
>> * When given help Sandman belittles the very people who help him.
>>
>> * Sandman posts "objective criteria" of trolling and then goes out of his
>> way to fit each and every one of those criteria.
>>
>> Sandman is a troll. Period.
>> -----
Note: no response from Tim Adams.
Who do you think is going to help you find such info after the way you have
treated those that do help you? Not I... unless you start acting like the
adult you claim to be.
--
€ Some people do use the term "screen name" in relation to IRC
€ Teaching is a "real job"
€ The tilde in an OS X path does *not* mean "the hard drive only"
>>> Or from anyone. He's been given the solution several times. He still
>>> refuses to acknowledge it.
>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> He's reported back that it didn't work.
>
> Actually its 'mysteriously' started working now that Josh tricked him
> into posting something that indicates it has been all along.
And, being that others have reported that Windows works for them, if Sandman
was being consistent he would admit his claims had been fully "debunked".
Well, maybe Sandman thinks it takes a contrived video to debunk someone
else's experience. He really is not very clear on this point. Gee, I
wonder why. :)
>> The real world is more complicated than your fantasy world.
>
> In the real world Sandman is a lying troll and you're a little toady
> that will agree with anything another Maccies says.
> Neither of you make any kind of appearance in my fantasies.
Sandman is a lying troll who is simply not able to handle it when people
point out flaws in his claims.
Yet they are answers, something you continue to claim he's never given, proving
once again that you are indeed an idiot.
~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
> ~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
The post Tim ran from: <http://snipurl.com/s8i3>.
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
<http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
"Did you know?
About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
"Many of the 22 per-cent of adults with the lowest literacy skills,
called Level 1 on the NALS, could perform simple, routine tasks, like
finding the time or place of a meeting on a form, but not much more."
> Cuss and discuss.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
--
Peter
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterates-
> 1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>
> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
>
>
> Cuss and discuss.
The reason for that is the much higher marketshare of Windows in the EU.
Thanks for confirming: Windows sucks.
--
Lars T.
Yeah, but they are "able to perform basic computer tasks such as using a
mouse to open Internet or word processing programs".
That they don't know what to do then (but watch purdy picshures) is a
different issue.
Unless of course the reason why there are no computer literacy
statistics for the US is that most questioned didn't understand the
questions.
--
Lars T.
Sure. Post the proof.
>
> >
> >The real world is more complicated than your fantasy world.
>
> In the real world Sandman is a lying troll and you're a little toady
> that will agree with anything another Maccies says.
> Neither of you make any kind of appearance in my fantasies.
LOL
>
> >> >
> >> >And no surprise, you didn't fail to live down to his low expectations.
> >>
> >> Just like you and he never fail to live down to those everyone has of
> >> you.
> >
> >LOL
>
>
> I'm glad that you poor reputation amongst thinking people amuses you.
You amuse me, Clyde.
> "Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> stated in post
~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
--
If you're not going to follow the threads that you're commenting on,
I'm not going to read them to you.
[Snip]
>Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
>> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>>
>> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>
><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
>rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
>464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
>basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
>
>"Did you know?
>About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
from everywhere.
>
>"Many of the 22 per-cent of adults with the lowest literacy skills,
>called Level 1 on the NALS, could perform simple, routine tasks, like
>finding the time or place of a meeting on a form, but not much more."
>
>> Cuss and discuss.
>
>People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I see you had to drag the goalposts pretty far.
> ~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
The post Tim ran from: <http://snipurl.com/s8i3>.
And he *always* will.
>>>> It says nothing about posting anything that could be construed as
>>>> "nonsense". It only says that he wasn't making the post hoping to
>>>> find a solution from the likes of you.
>>>
>>> Or from anyone. He's been given the solution several times.
>>
>> When was I given it and who gave it, Clyde?
>
> Who do you think is going to help you find such info after the way
> you have treated those that do help you?
Such as?
> Not I...
Now that's a relief.
--
Sandman[.net]
> >>> I pick all five and await your lies and obfuscation. You can type them
> >>> here:
> >>>
> >>> In the end - None of the five items of your list has ever happened.
> >>> 0/5.
> >
> > <snip lies and obfuscations>
> >
> > Right on cue. You're still att 0/5, Michael. Try again :)
> >
> If you really believed that, Sandman, you would not have felt the need to
> snip and run.
Eh? I usually snip your lies and obfuscation. Nothing new there.
--
Sandman[.net]
> >He's reported back that it didn't work.
>
> Actually its 'mysteriously' started working now that Josh tricked him
> into posting something that indicates it has been all along.
Eh? Joshs "trick" didn't work. Now it works, since I've messed around
and something started working, which it didn't before. Duh.
> >The real world is more complicated than your fantasy world.
>
> In the real world Sandman is a lying troll and you're a little toady
> that will agree with anything another Maccies says.
I'm happy that I don't live in your "real world", Clyde. :-D
--
Sandman[.net]
And since you're not following them, can we expect you to stop your
little jealousy game? :)
--
Sandman[.net]
> "Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> stated in post
> teadams$2$0$0$3-9120EC.01...@news.west.earthlink.net on 6/24/06
> 10:11 PM:
>
> > ~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
>
> The post
snit's still upset with as it proves him an idiot -
In article <C0C2ED79.52C5F%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Tim Adams" <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> stated in post
~babbling from the trolling idiot snit snipped
--
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:31:07 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
> >> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >
> ><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
> >rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
> >464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
> >basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
> >
> >"Did you know?
> >About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
>
> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
> from everywhere.
Since my country is taking in hordes of uneducated bozos from
everywhere, I'm getting back to you.
Now, you were saying...?
> >"Many of the 22 per-cent of adults with the lowest literacy skills,
> >called Level 1 on the NALS, could perform simple, routine tasks, like
> >finding the time or place of a meeting on a form, but not much more."
> >
> >> Cuss and discuss.
> >
> >People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>
> I see you had to drag the goalposts pretty far.
Just pointing out that illiteracy, both computer and otherwise, is
widely endemic in the US of A.
--
Peter
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:54:07 -0400, Mayor of R'lyeh
> <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-i
> > lliterates-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >
> >Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >
> >
>
> Hit the nail on the head. Anyone running a Mac lacks basic computer
> skills.
Thanks for pointing out that those lacking basic computer skills can
still run a Mac, unlike Windows where they'll be rooted within 15
minutes.
--
Peter
>Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:31:07 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
>> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
>> >> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>> >>
>> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>> >
>> ><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
>> >rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
>> >464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
>> >basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
>> >
>> >"Did you know?
>> >About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
>>
>> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
>> from everywhere.
>
>Since my country is taking in hordes of uneducated bozos from
>everywhere, I'm getting back to you.
>
>Now, you were saying...?
Get back with me when you have 1 out of 10 of everybody from some
other country.
The UK doesn't take in nearly has many people as we do.
>
>> >"Many of the 22 per-cent of adults with the lowest literacy skills,
>> >called Level 1 on the NALS, could perform simple, routine tasks, like
>> >finding the time or place of a meeting on a form, but not much more."
>> >
>> >> Cuss and discuss.
>> >
>> >People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>
>> I see you had to drag the goalposts pretty far.
>
>Just pointing out that illiteracy, both computer and otherwise, is
>widely endemic in the US of A.
Largely thanks to our minorities being such a large part of our
population. Something Europe doesn't have to deal with.
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:28:40 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:31:07 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
> >> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >>
> >> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
> >> >> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >> >
> >> ><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
> >> >rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
> >> >464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
> >> >basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
> >> >
> >> >"Did you know?
> >> >About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
> >>
> >> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
> >> from everywhere.
> >
> >Since my country is taking in hordes of uneducated bozos from
> >everywhere, I'm getting back to you.
> >
> >Now, you were saying...?
>
> Get back with me when you have 1 out of 10 of everybody from some
> other country.
Since even the UK government has admitted it hasn't a clue how many
immigrants there are in this country, perhaps you'd be good enough to
pass along your information.
Contact Tony here,
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page821.asp
> The UK doesn't take in nearly has many people as we do.
So can I buy a one-way ticket to New York, step off the plane and find
legal employment?
--
Peter
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:31:07 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
> >> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
> >>
> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
> >
> ><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
> >rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
> >464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
> >basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
> >
> >"Did you know?
> >About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
>
> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
> from everywhere.
Why would any country let in hordes of Americans?
--
Lars T.
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:28:40 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
> >> from everywhere.
> >
> >Since my country is taking in hordes of uneducated bozos from
> >everywhere, I'm getting back to you.
> >
> >Now, you were saying...?
>
> Get back with me when you have 1 out of 10 of everybody from some
> other country.
> The UK doesn't take in nearly has many people as we do.
It also doesn't have as many "natives", that need to be "overpowered".
> >> >"Many of the 22 per-cent of adults with the lowest literacy skills,
> >> >called Level 1 on the NALS, could perform simple, routine tasks, like
> >> >finding the time or place of a meeting on a form, but not much more."
> >> >
> >> >> Cuss and discuss.
> >> >
> >> >People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
> >>
> >> I see you had to drag the goalposts pretty far.
> >
> >Just pointing out that illiteracy, both computer and otherwise, is
> >widely endemic in the US of A.
>
> Largely thanks to our minorities being such a large part of our
> population. Something Europe doesn't have to deal with.
Hey, if it weren't for Asians, you'ld be even worse off.
--
Lars T.
Your report is 16 years old. Did you think that was irrelevant
enough, or were you just too lazy to dig up an older report? I ask
for information only.
http://www.arthurhu.com/index/literacy.htm
Some say that "almost half of adult Americans are barely literate and
literacy rates among younger adults are falling."(Literacy in
America, 1993, cited in Who Got It Right? What Proponents and
Opponents of the Creation of the Department of Education Promised &
Predicted John E. Berthoud, Ph.D. http://schoolreport.com/AdTI
/education/files/whogot.htm Alexis de Tocqueville Institution)
Reality is that, by global standards, literacy in the US among blacks
and whites has been basically wiped out among US youth since the
70's. Worldwide, Asians have a low rate of literacy except in
developed nations.
More sophisticated measures of social literacy show big differences
in minorities, and Asians score as poorly as blacks when education is
taken into account, at least on the National Literacy Test.
Summary
Asian Week Mar 22, 1996 - "Vital Signs"
These figures are the latest available from national and multilateral
sources Though standards may differ, literacy generally means the
ability to read and write a short, simple statement about everyday
life. Literacy rates refer to population over 15 years of age.
Literacy Spectrum
--------------------
Britain 100.00%
Germany 100.00%
Japan 100.00%
Switzerland 100.00%
New Zealand 99.80%
Australia 99.50%
Canada 99.00%
Russia 99.00%
France 99.00%
South Korea 97.40% 87.6%
Italy 97.40%
U.S. 95.50% 99.5% (UN) 97% (Newsweek 4/16/01)
Mongolia 95.00%
Philippines 94.00% 83.3
Thailand 93.80% 88.0
Taiwan 93.20%
Maldives 92.60%
Vietnam 91.90%
Singapore 91.60% 82.9
Hong Kong 91.20% 77.3
Mexico 90.30% 83.0
Fiji 90.10%
Malaysia 89.30%
Sri Lanka 89.30%
Brunei 89.20%
Indonesia 84.40%
Laos 83.90%
Brazil 82.10%
Myanmar 82.00%
Turkey 81.90%
South Africa 80.60%
China 80.00% 81.5% (Newsweek 4/16/01)
Macau 74.80%
Kenya 74.50%
P.N. Guinea 69.70%
Iran 64.90%
Saudi Arabia 64.10%
Nigeria 52.50%
India 52.10% 39.1
Egypt 50.00%
Black SAf 50.00% CG95
Bhutan 40.90%
Cambodia 37.80%
Bangladesh 36.60%
Pakistan 35.70% 25.2
Afghanistan 31.60%
Nepal 27.00%
Niger 13.00% CG95
(UN figures from United Nations Statistical Yearbook 37th ed)
Ask your local tourism board.
You havent proved that's the reason.
> Thanks for confirming: Windows sucks.
Why are you thanking the Mayor for something you wrote yourself?
>Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:31:07 +0100, not_i...@btinternet.com (Peter
>> Hayes) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/20062006/2/ztechnology-digital-age-illiterate
>> >> s-1-3-european-adults-lack-basic.html
>> >>
>> >> Having dealt with Europeans I can't say that I'm surprised.
>> >
>> ><http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TNhRnWP7KUwJ:www.uschamber.com/NR/
>> >rdonlyres/ex4iompih3ayuahczg43ralhfdfurjowerrs64mgacl7iwjj6odtndjo6midec
>> >464tgmdsiapxmr7klltq3vefwazge/literacybook0202.pdf+american+adults+lack+
>> >basic+computer+skills&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=safari>
>> >
>> >"Did you know?
>> >About 50 percent of American adults have low literacy skills."
>>
>> Get back with me when your country takes in hordes of uneducated bozos
>> from everywhere.
>
>Why would any country let in hordes of Americans?
Your country didn't 'let' us in. We came in anyway. You guys were
behaving badly and we needed to babysit you for the next 60 years so
you'd finally grow up.
The population of the UK is ~60 million. We have an estimated 13
million illegals from Mexico in the Us with another 13 million
illegals from elsewhere. If you guys took in anywhere near as many as
we do half your population would be from somewhere else. I'm pretty
you'd notice something like that.
>> The UK doesn't take in nearly has many people as we do.
>
>So can I buy a one-way ticket to New York, step off the plane and find
>legal employment?
One has nothing to do with the other.
Hmmmm...
You used the phrase "1 out of 10" and now you want to talk in absolutes.
If you factor the UKs population in, they only need to have around 5
million "illegals".
Tell us, Clyde. Since you've just shown your innumeracy, tell us where
you immigrated from?
So tell us, oh sage, how pointing out that 1 out of every 10 Mexicans
is living in the US counters anything I said. This should be good.
Everybody sit back and grab some popcorn.
>
>If you factor the UKs population in, they only need to have around 5
>million "illegals".
LOL! So you're disputing my assertion that 26 million is roughly half
of sixty million and insisting that 5 million is actually half of 60
million? Math wasn't your best subject was it? Or, judging from your
past performances, maybe it was.
>
>Tell us, Clyde. Since you've just shown your innumeracy, tell us where
>you immigrated from?
LOL! The guy who is claiming that 5 million is half of 60 million is
calling me out on my math skills. That's hilarious!
>
>>
>> >> The UK doesn't take in nearly has many people as we do.
>> >
>> >So can I buy a one-way ticket to New York, step off the plane and find
>> >legal employment?
>>
>> One has nothing to do with the other.