Mac Mini Overheating Issues?
Edwin
"On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
so I can sleep. "
So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
"It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
Mac. "
So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
Lloyd Parsons
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Oh please, Edwin.
A single report from one source and that means that the claims of
quality and reliability are naught?
Crap, if that were true, nothing that is manufactured anywhere would
pass your test!
You'll have to do better than that!
TravelinMan
Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
the rare examples of problems with Macs?
Considering that Apple is consistently rated the top PC vendor in terms
of reliablity, that must take quite a bit of effort. Why do you do it?
Alan Baker
> http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
>
> "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> so I can sleep. "
>
> So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
So -- without knowing anything about this person's ability to sleep --
you declare that a Mac Mini can't be quiet because it isn't quiet enough
in a room where you would be expecting something like complete silence...
>
> "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> Mac. "
>
> So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
LOL
Look up "anecdotal".
--
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to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Jim Polaski
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
But he gets a good score on the trolling exam.
--
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JP
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expecting that he will get nothing in return!"
Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo
TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote:
> Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
> the rare examples of problems with Macs?
>
> Considering that Apple is consistently rated the top PC vendor in terms
> of reliablity, that must take quite a bit of effort. Why do you do it?
you haven't figured it out? For EdWimp, PC stands for "Penis
Compensator" :)
--
making Usenet safer - one troll at a time!
Josh McKee
wrote:
>In article <1122499698....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
>>
>> "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
>> and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
>> so I can sleep. "
>>
>> So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
>>
>> "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
>> this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
>> also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
>> crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
>> Mac. "
>>
>> So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
>
>Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
>the rare examples of problems with Macs?
>
>Considering that Apple
Apple? I thought you only advocated the Mac.
>is consistently rated the top PC vendor in terms of reliablity,
Yet you go out and purchased from Dell.
Josh
Steve Hix
> In article <1122499698....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
> >
> > "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> > and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> > so I can sleep. "
Pretty sensitive hearing he's got; the fan is running right now in the
Mini next to my keyboard here, and it's barely audible. At night it
would be a little more noticeable, but not by much. (Perhaps it's right
next to his bed.)
And I'm one who'll get up in the middle of the night to turn off a slow
drip in the kitchen sink at the other end of the house.
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
> >
> > "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> > this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> > also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> > crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> > Mac. "
> >
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
>
> Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
> the rare examples of problems with Macs?
Nobody but EdThing would take an instance of someone turning off a
machine so he could sleep easier as being a quality or reliability issue.
If you didn't know better, you'd think the git didn't even read the
cites he's posted.
Edwin
Steve Hix wrote:
> In article <Nowhere-946818...@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
> TravelinMan <Now...@spamfree.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1122499698....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
> > >
> > > "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> > > and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> > > so I can sleep. "
>
> Pretty sensitive hearing he's got; the fan is running right now in the
> Mini next to my keyboard here, and it's barely audible. At night it
> would be a little more noticeable, but not by much. (Perhaps it's right
> next to his bed.)
Perhaps you've never tried to sleep with your Mac Mini running in the
same room.
> And I'm one who'll get up in the middle of the night to turn off a slow
> drip in the kitchen sink at the other end of the house.
>
> > > So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
> > >
> > > "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> > > this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> > > also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> > > crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> > > Mac. "
> > >
> > > So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
> >
> > Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
> > the rare examples of problems with Macs?
>
> Nobody but EdThing
You've never answered to why you refer to me as a thing.
> would take an instance of someone turning off a
> machine so he could sleep easier as being a quality or reliability issue.
You don't seem to be able to read too well. I said the quality and
reliabilty issue was : "... terrible performance, and occasional
freezes and crashes, which is something that never otherwise really
happens on a Mac. "
I said needing to turn off the fan proved the Mac Mini isn't quiet,
nothing about quality or reliability.
> If you didn't know better, you'd think the git didn't even read the
> cites he's posted.
Says the git who just showed poor reading comprehesion reading this
thread.
Edwin
Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <1122499698....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
> >
> > "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> > and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> > so I can sleep. "
> >
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
>
> So -- without knowing anything about this person's ability to sleep --
But counting on him knowing whether or not he has a sleep disorder...
> you declare that a Mac Mini can't be quiet because it isn't quiet enough
> in a room where you would be expecting something like complete silence...
You write as if you don't live in the real world. Very few people
would get any sleep if "complete silence" was required.
Those of us who do live in the real world live with fans and A/C in the
summer, and hot air heat or radiators in the winter, none of which is
"completely silent."
If that Mac Mini fan kept him awake, it wasn't because "complete
silence" is what was "expected."
> > "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> > this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> > also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> > crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> > Mac. "
> >
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
>
> LOL
>
> Look up "anecdotal".
You look it up for the next time an anti-PC story, or a pro-Mac story,
gets posted by one of you MacLunkHeads.
Nasht0n
You're the life of the party, aren't you, Polaski?
Nicolas
Nasht0n
Isn't 10 years old a bit too young to be advocating a platfrom?
Nicolas
Nasht0n
I've had silent fans make lots of noise at the end of their life cycle.
Could it be simply a bad fan?
Nicolas
Edwin
Sure, but what about the "terrible performance, and occasional freezes
and crashes?"
Travelinman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
You mean: "This fan issue is also accompanied with terrible performance,
and occasional freezes and crashes, which is something that never
otherwise really happens on a Mac."
The fan is only noisy on warm nights. The system only has performance
issues and crashes on warm nights.
Sounds like a hardware problem. He needs to have it looked at.
Since no one ever claimed that it was impossible for Mac hardware to
fail, what's your point?
Nasht0n
Overheating, most likely.
Nicolas
Edwin
TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <1122499698....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
> >
> > "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> > and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> > so I can sleep. "
> >
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
> >
> > "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> > this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> > also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> > crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> > Mac. "
> >
> > So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
>
> Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
> the rare examples of problems with Macs?
Hey, Joe, why do you try to pretend every problem reported about the
Mac is "rare?" Or that problems with the Mac are so rare that it
takes a long, extensive search to find them?
> Considering that Apple is consistently rated the top PC vendor in terms
> of reliablity, that must take quite a bit of effort.
It took no effort at all. As usual, I wasn't even doing a search for
Mac problems when this popped up. I was looking for Mac Mini
performance reviews.
> Why do you do it?
Because Mac Advocates aren't honest enough to post the truth themselves.
Edwin
He didn't say that. He said it only runs continuously on warm nights.
> The system only has performance
> issues and crashes on warm nights.
He didn't say that either. You're making an assumption.
> Sounds like a hardware problem. He needs to have it looked at.
>
> Since no one ever claimed that it was impossible for Mac hardware to
> fail, what's your point?
The point is under your hat.
Bob B.
It would not be surprising to me that the Mini is juicing up its fan on
warm nights. My 12 inch Powerbook has been going crazy during the recent
heatwave - hot to the touch, with the fan kicking in loudly all day
long. I think Apple sometimes specs out its computers right on the edge
of heat tolerance - bragging about how quiet the machine is in 'normal'
use, but any small increase in temperature, or heavy usage, causes the
fan to come on, and its a load fan..
Bob B.
Lloyd Parsons
"Bob B." <bo...@sphinx.com> wrote:
Well, we've been plenty 'warm' here the last 2 weeks, and neither my G5
tower nor my mini have been kicking it up any more than usual. The mini
is always nearly dead silent, while the tower is a bit noisier.
Snit
1122562944.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 8:02 AM:
>>> So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
>>
>> Hey, Eddie. Why do you spend so much time searching the web looking for
>> the rare examples of problems with Macs?
>
> Hey, Joe, why do you try to pretend every problem reported about the
> Mac is "rare?" Or that problems with the Mac are so rare that it
> takes a long, extensive search to find them?
>
>> Considering that Apple is consistently rated the top PC vendor in terms
>> of reliablity, that must take quite a bit of effort.
>
> It took no effort at all. As usual, I wasn't even doing a search for
> Mac problems when this popped up. I was looking for Mac Mini
> performance reviews.
>
>> Why do you do it?
>
> Because Mac Advocates aren't honest enough to post the truth themselves.
>
I look forward to your explanation as to why Apple is quite consistently
rated the top PC vender in terms of reliability.
--
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Edwin
Snit wrote:
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> 1122562944.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 8:02 AM:
[Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
--
"I eat dog shit to get attention." - Snit
Steve Carroll
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
LOL!
--
"Why is proof needed?". The answer is simple: To support your claim." - Snit
Steve
Snit
Gee, Edwin, look at the BS you wrote. Let's do a Google search:
Well, what do you know... you have been caught in another lie.
Why do you feel the need to lie, Edwin? Makes no sense to me...
Your comment, though, does let me honestly add my new sig. Do you like it?
There is nothing dishonest about saying *you* authored that quote - being
that you did.
--
"I eat dog shit to get attention." - Edwin
Tim Smith
> Snit wrote:
>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
>> 1122562944.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 8:02 AM:
>
> [Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
Translation: "You totally demolished what little of a point I had, so I am
going to ignore you".
--
--Tim Smith
Edwin
Edwin
Oh look, Tim Smith is kissing Snit's ass.
Snit
5OcGe.18603$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net on 7/28/05 3:15 PM:
I get the idea of not responding - or responding with the comment that it is
clear we will never reach agreement - but I do not understand it when Edwin
(and others) snip all the contents of the post they are "responding" to with
nothing but insults.
"Responding" is in quotes because it is the lowest possible form of
"response"... it really should not be considered a response at all - it is a
plea for attention and help.
Edwin is clearly very, very desperate for attention.
Snit
>
>
> Snit wrote:
>
> [Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I eat dog shit to get attention." - Snit
Other than to beg for attention, Edwin, is there any reason you are
attributing your own quotes to me *and* dishonestly removing all content
from the post you are "responding".
How sad that you are so desperate for attention... I simply can not think of
any other reason why you would lower yourself to this level.
--
"I presented the idea of [ingesting canine feces] to get attention." - Edwin
Edwin
Snit wrote:
> "Tim Smith" <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> stated in post
> 5OcGe.18603$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net on 7/28/05 3:15 PM:
>
> > In article <1122582395.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Edwin
> > wrote:
> >> Snit wrote:
> >>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> >>> 1122562944.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 8:02 AM:
[Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
> "I presented the idea of Snit ingesting canine feces to get attention for > himself." - Edwin
Snit
Let me get this straight... you want me to believe you presented the idea of
ingesting canine feces so that not only would *I* would attention, but that
your comments would be me getting attention for myself.
Ro you *really* think you are a my sock puppet? That is the only way your
actions could be done me getting attention for myself.
No, Edwin, you and I are not the same person... you, Edwin, presented the
idea of eating canine feces... for the reason you stated:
I presented the idea of [ingesting canine feces] to get attention.
Other than making the bracketed phrase less offensive than the term you used
to get attention, I changed nothing. The meaning is the same. Heck, let's
just quote you directly:
I eat dog shit to get attention.
Those are your words - though even at the time of your stating them you
tried to attribute them to me.
You can try to twist things all you want, Edwin, but the Google record
clearly shows that those are your words - not mine.
You clearly did not think very hard about your choice of words.
--
The sentence started with "In my life I never..." is finished by Edwin with
"... thought very hard."
Edwin
Snit wrote:
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> 1122593907.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 4:38 PM:
>
> >
> >
> > Snit wrote:
> >> "Tim Smith" <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> stated in post
> >> 5OcGe.18603$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net on 7/28/05 3:15 PM:
> >>
> >>> In article <1122582395.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Edwin
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Snit wrote:
> >>>>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> >>>>> 1122562944.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 8:02 AM:
> >
> > [Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
> >
> >> "I presented the idea of Snit ingesting canine feces to get attention for
> >> > himself." - Edwin
> >
> Let me get this straight... you want me to believe you presented the idea of
Snit
> ingesting canine feces so that
Snit
> would be getting attention for Snit.
>
[toilet flush]
>
> You presented the idea of me ingesting canine feces to get attention for > myself.
Yes I did, Snit.
[toilet flush]
> "I would eat dog shit to get attention." -- Snit
[toliet flush]
> The sentence started with "In Snit's life he never..." is finished by Edwin with
> "... thought very hard."
Edwin
Snit wrote:
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> 1122589182....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com on 7/28/05 3:19 PM:
>
> >
> >
> > Snit wrote:
> >
> > [Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "I eat dog shit to get attention." - Snit
[Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
> --
Snit
Wow, Edwin, even for you that was pathetic. Here we see you altering quotes
and giving non-answers... just plain bad trolling. At least *try* to be
entertaining or you risk being ignored. Since you have already admitted how
low you will sink merely to get attention that must be a horrid thought for
you...
--
"I eat dog shit to get attention." - Edwin
Tim Smith
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > [Snit Circus closed by Order of the Board of Health]
> >
> > Translation: "You totally demolished what little of a point I had, so I am
> > going to ignore you".
> >
> > --
> > --Tim Smith
>
> Oh look, Tim Smith is kissing Snit's ass.
How is it kissing his ass to recognize that he was right, and he totally
demolished your argument?
--
--Tim Smith
macaroni
> http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
>
> "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> so I can sleep. "
Hey why not sleep or even shut down the computer at night. What a novel
idea!
>
> So much for Mac Advocate claims that the Mac Mini is quiet.
>
> "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights. This fan issue is
> also accompanied with terrible performance, and occasional freezes and
> crashes, which is something that never otherwise really happens on a
> Mac. "
>
> So much for Mac Advocate claims of Apple quality and reliability.
Anyone expecting server-level or even high single user-level performance
out of Mac Mini is asking for too much. This basically is a backpacking
school model that can be plugged into available peripherals (monitor,
keyboard, mouse, etc.) for low-level tasks - word processing, a bit of
iTunes and minimal web surfing. 512K memory with a G4 in a small, hot
box is not going to give a PowerMac performance. He needs to trade up.
Snit
6:07 PM:
At this point Edwin and I are just messing with each other pretending the
other one might agree - which of course will never happen.
The difference is that I am able to mess with Edwin being completely
honest... he really did say the quotes I attribute to him:
I presented the idea of [ingesting canine feces] to get attention.
and
I eat dog [poop] to get attention.
The *only* honest claim Edwin might make is that the first quote could
*possibly* be taken two ways:
1) Edwin admitting what he does to get attention
2) Edwin dishonestly attributing his ideas to me
I think the first reading of the quote makes more sense, but the Edwin has
tried to support the a dishonest version of the second. While usually the
author of the quote would be the best source, Edwin's inability to admit to
his dishonest attribution puts his claim in question... and the second quote
of his pretty much kills his claims.
Clearly Edwin has claimed not only that he present the idea of eating dog
poop to get attention, Edwin now claims he *does* eat dog poop to get
attention.
He clearly did not think very hard about what he was saying...
--
The sentence started with "In my life I never..." is finished by Edwin with
"... thought very hard."
macaroni
LOL, this is great PR for the Mac Mini, isn't it?
macaroni
> Sure, but what about the "terrible performance, and occasional freezes
> and crashes?"
"Get real, dude!" in the vernacular of a Mac Mini user.
Forgive me hypersensitive Mac users, but far more PC users are hardware
literate than Mac users if, for no other reason, because of sheer number
of users. I built PC systems that ran successfully for a number of
years before I switched to Macs. I'd build my own Mac system if it
becomes possible in the future with Mactel. The insomniac dude in
question is overloading the hardware capability of his machine.
Andrew J. Brehm
> http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2417
>
> "On particularly warm nights, the fan never seems to switch itself off,
> and seeing as it's in my bedroom, I have to switch the computer off
> so I can sleep. "
>
Why not allow the computer to sleep instead of switching it off?
>
> "It's also my Web server (I'm on a budget, get over it!), and so
> this means my Website is unavailable on warm nights.
I wouldn't put my Web server in my bed room. In fact, I didn't put my
Web server in my bed room.
--
Andrew J. Brehm
Marx Brothers Fan
PowerPC/Macintosh User
Supporter of Chicken Sandwiches