1st week PC to eMac switch experiences
Chrisr
>C Lund wrote:
>> > The superior Win XP interface
>>
>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>> something off?
>>
>
>Hehehe... yes. And all that M$ did for the dos prompt was
>change the name to cmd line prompt.
>But it still looks the same without any scroll bars, unlike
>an xterm. Type in edit at the XP cmd prompt and it's the
>same old dos editor.
Hey, watch it buddy... I like edit, very good dos program for text
editing.
Chris
Steve White
"WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> And Macs are supposed to be so "easy" to use and learn because they
> are so much more "elegant". NOT!!! The superior Win XP interface
> is much easier for a person who has never used a computer to learn.
> Just think how bad OS X would be to use if you never had any PC
> experience.
You remind me of the baby bird that eats Mama's regurgitated worms.
Ballmer speaks, and you parrot.
How do you manage to consume oxygen during the day? I ask for
entertainment purposes only, of course :-)
> And Mac is supposed to be SOOOOOO compatible with the
> real world? NOT!!!
Silly mail room git. My Mac loads and works with virtually any file
created by a PC person -- even one created by a clueless mailroom git.
And if I sent you a file, your PC would read it, even though you
couldn't understand the contents :-)
> Along with a lot of other programs that have no Mac version. Mac
> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
Like Photoshop?
> Awful to have to resort to a substitute program anytime the
> standard choice is not available.
The PC world would be lucky to have iTunes.
> Welcome to the world of Mac illegal file sharing. Mac owners
> have a long and distinguished history of copyright infringment.
> Why do you think the iPod was designed the way it was?
This proves, without a doubt, that you are not a carbon-based life form.
PC users have been pirating profligately [1] for years. What do you
think all those "warez" guys are trading?
> Appleworks acceptable? NOT!!!
Stick to Notepad, Mouseman.
steve
[1] Note to PC uses: "profligately" is not a swear word.
Super Spinner
"Chrisr" <crex@.no-spam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:vfb8lu4iof2sort65...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:16:49 -0700, "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >> Winamp
> >> Apple零 iTunes does just fine.
> >>
> >
> >Awful to have to resort to a substitute program anytime the
> >standard choice is not available.
>
>
> Chris
Yes indeed. Winamp sucks badly.
John Bauer
> My overall impression with the eMac was frustrating the first few days
> while I was becoming accustomed to the look and feel of OS X [....]
Anything in particular?
> So, having said all that, here are my experiences so far with my
> programs that I use on a daily basis and my hardware:
>
> SOFTWARE
>
> [...]
>
> Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
> I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X I'm just going to stick
> with AppleWorks. It's becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
I'd be interested in hearing how well AppleWorks meets your needs.
Office is overkill for a lot of people.
[snip]
Nice post. Welcome to the Mac community!
--
John Bauer
C Lund
"Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The only
>> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
>> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
>Which one is it this time?
Eh? Which one is what this time?
>> > The superior Win XP interface
>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>> something off?
>I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
What do you mean, "Saab types"?
BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
ignition. Do you?
--
C Lund, Oslo
http://www.notam02.no/~clund/
CW
<christop...@NOSPAMchello.no>
<christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no> managed to
leave his iBong alone for a few seconds to write.
And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
face looking at me.
ZnU
[snip]
> And Macs are supposed to be so "easy" to use and learn because they
> are so much more "elegant". NOT!!! The superior Win XP interface
> is much easier for a person who has never used a computer to learn.
> Just think how bad OS X would be to use if you never had any PC
> experience.
People who haven't been corrupted by Windows tend to have an easier time
with the Mac. They don't wonder about silly things like where the
uninstallers are.
[snip]
> > Paint Shop Pro
> > My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
> > with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
> > PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
> > photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
> > Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
> >
>
>
> Along with a lot of other programs that have no Mac version. Mac
> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
Adobe Photoshop is a cheap substitute for Paint Shop Pro? You just
*can't* be real.
> > Winamp
> > Apple零 iTunes does just fine.
>
> Awful to have to resort to a substitute program anytime the
> standard choice is not available.
Yeah, I can see how people would get very upset about the Mac not
letting them choose inferior software.
> > Kazaa
> > No Mac version. Limewire seems to be the best for Mac but there are far
> > fewer search results and far less download success rates.
> >
>
> Welcome to the world of Mac illegal file sharing. Mac owners
> have a long and distinguished history of copyright infringment.
> Why do you think the iPod was designed the way it was?
Hey, you guys invented Napster. In order to pirate content that was, by
and large, created on the Mac. (The Mac is, after all, the first choice
for pro audio.)
> > AIM
> > There is a Mac version but with slightly less functtionality. I rarely
> > used the extra features anyway.
> >
> > Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
> > I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X I雋 just going to stick
> > with AppleWorks. It零 becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
> >
>
> Appleworks acceptable? NOT!!!
So you know what he needs from an Office package? AppleWorks is probably
just fine for 90% of users (excluding those who absolutely need MS
Office compatibility).
[snip; boring]
--
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here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed
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alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific."
- George W. Bush
yellow cake
dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
how the computer works? :o)
yc
--
"That's not what a Mac does. I want Mac on the PC,
I want Mac on the PC." -- Bill Gates
yellow cake
dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
>
> And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
> status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
> at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
> computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
> face looking at me.
>
yellow cake
dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
>
> And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
> status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
> at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
> computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
> face looking at me.
>
yellow cake
dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 06:03:36 GMT C Lund
yellow cake
wabi...@snotmail.com wrote on 8/10/02 12:23 AM:
> in article dse9luo0igu7mq11hbvda4uj9uapohhli5, CW at
> dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
>
>>
>> And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
>> status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
>> at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
>> computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
>> face looking at me.
>>
> Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
> how the computer works? :o)
>
> yc
Sorry about that, the news server kept telling me it didn't go thru. What is
up with this think lately...
yc
yellow cake
dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 06:03:36 GMT C Lund
Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
how the computer works? :o)
yc
yellow cake
wabi...@snotmail.com wrote on 8/10/02 12:28 AM:
> ^^^^^
> yc
>
Hells bells, now I can't spell. OK, (slaps hands) that should do the trick.
yc
Cyclical
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In article
<dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.ma
de.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org>, CW <dev....@localhost.localvoid.org>
wrote:
> I rather a start button than a freaky face looking at me.
Whats going to happen WHEN you start shaving?.
C Lund
<dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.eve
r.made.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org>,
CW <dev....@localhost.localvoid.org> wrote:
>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>ignition. Do you?
>And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
>status.
Why the big fuss over that smiley face? Seriously - why does it bug you
guys so much. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a tiny little icon on
the screen that lasts only a few seconds during startup. It's there and
then it's gone, not to be seen again until the next startup.
M$'s "Start" button, otoh, is a permanent, unintuitive fixture of the
Windows GUI (well, it was in win98 anyway. I'm assuming it's still
there).
> I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
>at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
>computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
>face looking at me.
You've smashed every single mirror in your parents' house, haven't you?
Tom Elam
<zrog...@cox-internet.com>:
<delete>
I switched too, then switched back.....
>So, having said all that, here are my experiences so far with my
>programs that I use on a daily basis and my hardware:
>
>SOFTWARE
>
>Quicken
>Quicken for Mac is in a different file format than Quicken for PC. I
>tried exporting then importing the data with no success. Basically I
>took this opportunity to łstart over˛ and reenter my accounts one by one
>as I get the next monthly statement.
Quicken for the Mac is a Joke. It's at least 4 years behind the PC version,
and will not even properly handle stock transactions. If all you have is a
checking account, then I suppose it might work.
>
>Paint Shop Pro
>My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
>with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
>PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
>photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
>Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
That was my experience too.
>
>Winamp
>Appleąs iTunes does just fine.
>
>Kazaa
>No Mac version. Limewire seems to be the best for Mac but there are far
>fewer search results and far less download success rates.
>
>AIM
>There is a Mac version but with slightly less functtionality. I rarely
>used the extra features anyway.
>
>Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
>I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X Iąm just going to stick
>with AppleWorks. Itąs becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
Appleworks will never take the place of Office, just wait until you want to
exchange files with anyone using Office, or try to import your old work.
>
>Norton Antivirus
>No problem. Mac version availble.
>
>NTI CD-Maker Deluxe
>No Mac version here, either. However the basic CD authoring tools in OS
>X and iTunes stll let me create a music CD, data CD and copy CDąs
>(although I seem to have to make a disk image on the desktop from my
>original CD then burn this image to a CD-R).
>
>Yahoo! Messenger.
>Hmm. Well there is a Mac version but it doesnąt support text, audio or
>video chat, just instant messenges. There is a program called Charla
>which allows text only chat rooms but I do miss audio and video chat.
>Right now Iąm trying a program called iSpQ VideoChat as a workaround.
>
<delete>
>
>To summarize my eMac and experiences so far:
>
>PROS
>- Itąs very pretty
>- Great sound from such tiny little speakers (theyąre pretty, too)
>- Very good quality feel
>
>NEUTRALS
>- doesnąt really seem any faster than my PC with a Celeron 800
It's actually quite a bit slower.
>- Iąve experienced a few crashes and lock-ups that I wasnąt expecting
>from a Mac
>- Definitely an adventure finding new software and making my hardware
>work
I know, my iMac crashed at least every 4-5 hours. It was in the shop more than
at home. Get used to it, as you install more programs and hardware it will get
worse.
>
>CONS
>- Fan is a bit noisy
>- I know itąs not a portable or laptop, but itąs still HEAVY
WAY too heavy, but then again it's such a primitive machine.
Good luck, sucker, you just wasted a ton of money.
--
Tom Elam
Cyclical
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In article <nq5alus8lnpmgjvjn...@4ax.com>, Tom Elam
<te...@iquest.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:50:25 -0500, Tom Elam wrote this reply to Roger
> <zrog...@cox-internet.com>:
>
> <delete>
>
> I switched too, then switched back.....
>
>>So, having said all that, here are my experiences so far with my
>>programs that I use on a daily basis and my hardware:
>>
>>SOFTWARE
>>
>>Quicken
>>Quicken for Mac is in a different file format than Quicken for PC. I
>>tried exporting then importing the data with no success. Basically I
>>took this opportunity to ³start over² and reenter my accounts one by one
>>as I get the next monthly statement.
>
> Quicken for the Mac is a Joke. It's at least 4 years behind the PC version,
> and will not even properly handle stock transactions. If all you have is a
> checking account, then I suppose it might work.
>
>>
>>Paint Shop Pro
>>My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
>>with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
>>PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
>>photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
>>Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
>
> That was my experience too.
>
>>
>>Winamp
>>Appleıs iTunes does just fine.
>>
>>Kazaa
>>No Mac version. Limewire seems to be the best for Mac but there are far
>>fewer search results and far less download success rates.
>>
>>AIM
>>There is a Mac version but with slightly less functtionality. I rarely
>>used the extra features anyway.
>>
>>Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
>>I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X Iım just going to stick
>>with AppleWorks. Itıs becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
>
> Appleworks will never take the place of Office, just wait until you want to
> exchange files with anyone using Office, or try to import your old work.
>
>>
>>Norton Antivirus
>>No problem. Mac version availble.
>>
>>NTI CD-Maker Deluxe
>>No Mac version here, either. However the basic CD authoring tools in OS
>>X and iTunes stll let me create a music CD, data CD and copy CDıs
>>(although I seem to have to make a disk image on the desktop from my
>>original CD then burn this image to a CD-R).
>>
>>Yahoo! Messenger.
>>Hmm. Well there is a Mac version but it doesnıt support text, audio or
>>video chat, just instant messenges. There is a program called Charla
>>which allows text only chat rooms but I do miss audio and video chat.
>>Right now Iım trying a program called iSpQ VideoChat as a workaround.
>>
> <delete>
>>
>>To summarize my eMac and experiences so far:
>>
>>PROS
>>- Itıs very pretty
>>- Great sound from such tiny little speakers (theyıre pretty, too)
>>- Very good quality feel
>>
>>NEUTRALS
>>- doesnıt really seem any faster than my PC with a Celeron 800
>
> It's actually quite a bit slower.
>
>>- Iıve experienced a few crashes and lock-ups that I wasnıt expecting
>>from a Mac
>>- Definitely an adventure finding new software and making my hardware
>>work
>
> I know, my iMac crashed at least every 4-5 hours. It was in the shop more
than
> at home. Get used to it, as you install more programs and hardware it will
get
> worse.
>
>>
>>CONS
>>- Fan is a bit noisy
>>- I know itıs not a portable or laptop, but itıs still HEAVY
>
> WAY too heavy, but then again it's such a primitive machine.
>
>
> Good luck, sucker, you just wasted a ton of money.
>
>
And if you actually got to the end of this post........A TON OF TIME TOO!.
Sucker?, Roger switched and is progressing well with his Mac, Tom on the
other hand switched then switched back, So WHO wasted a ton of money?, Tom
sounds like the sucker to me?,
And of course the only time Roger mentions his PC is to say "doesnıt really
seem any faster than my PC with a Celeron 800" and yet from that Tom arrives
at...
"It's actually quite a bit slower." How did Tom work out the rest of Rogers
hardware?, what marvellous insight prevents mere mortals from working out
what speed constraints may apply to Roger's PC based on that one statement?,
or could it just be a forlorn case of Wishful thinking?.
Tom Elam
<booR...@greyREMOVErock.org>:
>Roger wrote:
>>
>> Paint Shop Pro
>> My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
>> with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
>> PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
>> photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
>> Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
>
>I've used GraphicConverter to handle photo editing and such. I haven't
>used it under OSX. I've heard others recommend a program called gimp.
>Don't know much about that one.
>
>HTH Elizabeth
Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
Tom Elam
<cycl...@yourservice.net.au>:
>And of course the only time Roger mentions his PC is to say "doesnšt really
>seem any faster than my PC with a Celeron 800" and yet from that Tom arrives
>at...
>"It's actually quite a bit slower."
Based on an extensive 6 months of experience with a 500mhz G3 iMac side-by-side
with a 400 mhz P3 Compaq laptop I can tell you that the iMac was slower to do
everything except launch apps. Then too, the iMac had 512 mb of ram to make OS
9's kludge of an memory management and multitasking system work at all vs. 256
megs on the more elegant Windows 2000 machine. I cannot imagine how many megs
of ram it must take to make OS 9 run properly on top of a pig like OSuX - at
least a gig I'm guessing.
Of course, some of the iMac's slowness had to do with having to reboot it every
few hours, most of the time by pulling the power cord or using the hard reboot
button. It was, all in all, the worst computer I have ever owned. The funny
thing is that the guy who bought it thinks it is one of the best Macs he has
ever used! Goes 2 whole hours without freezing up! Guess it all depends on
your point of reference.
Elizabot
>
> On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:15:41 -0600, Tom Elam wrote this reply to Elizabot
> <booR...@greyREMOVErock.org>:
> >
> >used it under OSX. I've heard others recommend a program called gimp.
> >Don't know much about that one.
> >
> >HTH Elizabeth
>
> Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
Please expand your analogy including your personal experiences
concerning these two issues.
Cyclical
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In article <6ldaluk1krcg7mirf...@4ax.com>, Tom Elam
<te...@iquest.net> wrote:
The issue isn't, how any PC you have had compares to any Mac you have had,
The issue is, how not knowing anything about Rogers PC other than it had a
Celeron 800 can you make the assertion that "It's actually quite a bit
slower." When Roger having made the comparison said "doesnšt really seem any
faster than my PC with a Celeron 800", this conclusion was clearly made
hands on, under real world usage conditions, and apparently it didn't seem
quite a bit slower to him.
As Roger is in possession of ALL the facts regarding both systems, perhaps
his opinion should be considered the more accurate.
Rick
Tom is showing is overwhelming ignorance in that the GIMP was ported
-to- the Mac from Linux, and that he doesn't know what the letters GIMP
mean. He is also showing that he doen't know the GIMP has been ported to
window$.
--
Rick
Elizabot
I think Tom's post is pretty clear in that he was not talking about
computer programs when he used the word "Gimp."
david raoul derbes
Isn't The Gimp a Linux program? It may well have been ported to OS X,
but it was The Gimp long before that...
David Derbes
C Lund
Tom Elam <te...@iquest.net> wrote:
>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
Isn't Gimp a *Linux* program?
Wayne
>
> On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0700, Wayne <wa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >C Lund wrote:
> >> > The superior Win XP interface
> >>
> >> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
> >> something off?
> >>
> >
> >change the name to cmd line prompt.
> >But it still looks the same without any scroll bars, unlike
> >an xterm. Type in edit at the XP cmd prompt and it's the
> >same old dos editor.
>
> Hey, watch it buddy... I like edit, very good dos program for text
> editing.
>
Sorry bout that. :-)
Sam Morris
> In article <SNS49.3$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>,
> "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Mac
>> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
>> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
>
I find it hilarious that WinMan thinks Paint Shop Pro is a "cheap
substitute" for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.
--
Sam Morris
Unknown
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:17:05 GMT, Tom Elam wrote this reply to
> "Cyclical" <cycl...@yourservice.net.au>:
>
>>that Tom arrives at... "It's actually quite a bit slower."
>
> Based on an extensive 6 months of experience with a 500mhz G3 iMac
> side-by-side with a 400 mhz P3 Compaq laptop I can tell you that the
> iMac was slower to do everything except launch apps. Then too, the
> iMac had 512 mb of ram to make OS 9's kludge of an memory management
> and multitasking system work at all vs. 256 megs on the more elegant
> Windows 2000 machine. I cannot imagine how many megs of ram it must
> take to make OS 9 run properly on top of a pig like OSuX - at least a
> gig I'm guessing.
>
> Of course, some of the iMac's slowness had to do with having to reboot
> it every few hours, most of the time by pulling the power cord or
> using the hard reboot button. It was, all in all, the worst computer
> I have ever owned. The funny thing is that the guy who bought it
> thinks it is one of the best Macs he has ever used! Goes 2 whole
> hours without freezing up! Guess it all depends on your point of
> reference.
What are you doing that causes the Mac to freeze up? I switched in
March (from OS/2 btw) and turned have only turned it off twice when I
left town. Other wise the machine has been on the whole time and I have
had NO freeze ups. I use my Mac for web/java/jsp development and
anything else I need a computer for.
Mike
WinMan
"Sam Morris" <s...@netcity.co.FROGBLASTIT.uk> wrote in message
news:jHe59.16952$IO5.15...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> C Lund wrote:
> > In article <SNS49.3$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>,
> > "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Mac
> >> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
> >> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
> >
> > Examples?
>
> I find it hilarious that WinMan thinks Paint Shop Pro is a "cheap
> substitute" for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.
>
> --
I find it hilarious that a dumbshit like you cannot read what is
written. I guess that goes with being a Macer.
Chrisr
Thats OK:)
Chris
Sam Morris
You wrote the above in response to the original poster stating that PSP was
is not available for the Mac:
>> Paint Shop Pro
>> My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
>> with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
>> PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
>> photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
>> Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
>
>Along with a lot of other programs that have no Mac version. Mac
>owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
>being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
In case you suffer a convenient lapse of memory, you can see your original
post, in which you refer to both PhotoImpressions and Photoshop as "cheap
substitutes" is available at:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=S
NS49.3%24iH6.382%40newsfeed.avtel.net&rnum=2>.
sllv521
>every
>few hours, most of the time by pulling the power cord or using the hard
>reboot
>button.
My g3 desktop only crashed about once a month using os 9.2. And that was
usually in internet explorer. And in the 11 years I have been using macs I
think the 3 finger restart has only not worked like 1 or 2. I think the
chances of the 3 finger salute not working are about the same as getting hit by
lightning. (ok, I am exagerating, but it is still very rare).
yellow cake
s...@netcity.co.FROGBLASTIT.uk wrote on 8/10/02 4:31 PM:
Yeah, goddamn Winman/mailroom boy, if you are going to troll, point out they
are/were *expensive* replacements. They are not cheap, ya idiot. :o)
Speaking of PS, I finally started playing with it and learned my first
lesson. Make copies, make saves. Doh! :o)
yc
--
You didn't pass out at the keyboard did you?
Oh, no. It was actually my first and only beer of the evening. The
bottle opener/bottle cap/ swivel chair physics proved suboptimal, and
spillage ensued.
sllv521
128 megs of ram and was only as fast as a celery 800. I would hope it to be
about as fast as a p4 1.5.
Rick
>In article <gidaluca1d7pjh11u...@4ax.com>,
> Tom Elam <te...@iquest.net> wrote:
>
>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>
>Isn't Gimp a *Linux* program?
>
The GIMP runs under window$ (with or without XFree, IIRC), *nix, Linux and
MacOS X (under XFree). I'm not sure if there has been an Aqua port.
--
Rick
Jim Polaski
Elam trips over own mouth. Gimp is Open source for linux, not Mac!
Speeding, speeding, over a bounding brain,
making mistakes left and right,
trying to think again,
Speeding, speeding....
Jim Polaski
"Lloyd Parsons" <ll...@lloydparsons.com> wrote:
> "ZnU" <z...@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:znu-8551E0.1...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> > In article <zroger73-8D334C...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > Roger <zrog...@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Paint Shop Pro
> > > My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
> > > with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
> > > PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
> > > photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
> > > Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
> >
> > Well, Photoshop upgrades are priced pretty reasonably, at least.
> >
> And if he doesn't need full Photoshop, Photoshop Elements V2 is OSX now. It
> is also priced well. For a new user, its about $60 if bought from Amazon
> with a rebate, for an upgrader, its $29 with rebates.
>
Not to mention that it is a FABULOUS image editing program. Adobe did it
totally right and at a good price point. It is really THE PROGRAM to use
with your digital still camera.
>
>
> > > Winamp
> > > Apple零 iTunes does just fine.
> >
> > Did you download iTunes 3? Smart playlists are great. Nothing else has
> > them yet, as far as I know.
> >
> > > Kazaa
> > > No Mac version. Limewire seems to be the best for Mac but there are far
> > > fewer search results and far less download success rates.
> >
> > Try Neo: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mthole/neo/
> >
> > > AIM
> > > There is a Mac version but with slightly less functtionality. I rarely
> > > used the extra features anyway.
> >
> > Try Adium: http://www.adiumx.com/
> >
> > Or with Mac OS 10.2 Jaguar, iChat, Apple's own AIM client.
> >
> > > Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
> > > I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X I雋 just going to stick
> > > with AppleWorks. It零 becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
> >
> > MS Office X is way overpriced.
> >
> > > Norton Antivirus
> > > No problem. Mac version availble.
> >
> > Of course, there aren't actually any viruses for OS X yet.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Canon D670U scanner
> > > This one took a while. Appearently OS X 10.1.4 has no TWAIN support
> > > therefore manufacturers don靖 have TWAIN driver for OS X yet. Canon
> > > did/does offer a Photoshop 7 plug-in but I don靖 have $800 laying around
> > > just to scan. So I finally came across a program called Vuescan that
> > > works beautifully with this scanner.
> >
> > Photoshop plug-ins work in other applications. I'd recommend
> > GraphicConverter, which is shareware: http://lemkesoft.com/
> >
> > Jaguar adds TWAIN support, by the way, and you can scan from supported
> > scanners with the included Image Capture application.
> >
> Also, canon has a beta driver out for that scanner, check
> www.versiontracker.com
>
> The driver works fine in some software, but graphic converter isn't one of
> them. ;-(
>
> > [snip]
> >
> > > - doesn靖 really seem any faster than my PC with a Celeron 800
> >
> > 10.1 isn't very optimized. Jaguar feels much faster on the same hardware.
> >
> > > - I靶e experienced a few crashes and lock-ups that I wasn靖 expecting
> > > from a Mac
> >
> > Regular crashes are *not* normal with OS X. You mention above about
> > crashes caused by unplugging your MP3 player without unmounting it.
> > Those are understandable, but if you're having crashes at other times,
> > there's probably something that needs fixing.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > --
> > "My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason. It begins
> > here because for a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed
> > one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that
> > alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific."
> > - George W. Bush
>
>
tom keyes
Morris <s...@netcity.co.FROGBLASTIT.uk> wrote:
> I find it hilarious that WinMan thinks Paint Shop Pro is a "cheap
> substitute" for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.
But is that more hilarious than poor elam thinking Gimp is a "Mac
program" "Gnu Image Manipulation Program" = Mac hahahahahaha. That's
priceless - the toughest thing in csma is deciding which bozo is #1.
of course now that mac os is the most widely distributed unix system
and part of the open source world all the gnu programs in a sense *are*
mac programs, but i'm sure that's not what he meant. well, gotta run
and prepare some figs for a new paper with that mac program, gnuplot.
WinMan
"Steve White" <ju...@say.no.to.spammers.com> wrote in message
news:just-089B51.2...@netnews.attbi.com...> > And Macs are supposed to be so "easy" to use and learn because they
> > are so much more "elegant". NOT!!! The superior Win XP interface
> > is much easier for a person who has never used a computer to learn.
> > Just think how bad OS X would be to use if you never had any PC
> > experience.
>
>
> You remind me of the baby bird that eats Mama's regurgitated worms.
> Ballmer speaks, and you parrot.
>
> How do you manage to consume oxygen during the day? I ask for
> entertainment purposes only, of course :-)
>
>
> > And Mac is supposed to be SOOOOOO compatible with the
> > real world? NOT!!!
>
>
> Silly mail room git. My Mac loads and works with virtually any file
> created by a PC person -- even one created by a clueless mailroom git.
> And if I sent you a file, your PC would read it, even though you
> couldn't understand the contents :-)
>
>
For your simplistic work Trashman Mac may have satisfactory
compatibility. For real work only about 80% of Word files
will transfer between platforms without some formatting screwup.
And thats just one example.
Lloyd Parsons
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
The simplistic work in a word processor IS about 80% or more of what is
done on a daily basis by those that don't need all the crap loaded to
make an assinine point.
In the spreadsheet, I would agree that Excel has many functions that a
majority might need. For a fairly large minority, Appleworks has
enough.
Lloyd
Rick
>In article <gidaluca1d7pjh11u...@4ax.com>,
> Tom Elam <te...@iquest.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:15:41 -0600, Tom Elam wrote this reply to Elizabot
>> <booR...@greyREMOVErock.org>:
>>
>> >Roger wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Paint Shop Pro
>> >> My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
>> >> with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
>> >> PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
>> >> photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
>> >> Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
>> >
>> >I've used GraphicConverter to handle photo editing and such. I haven't
>> >used it under OSX. I've heard others recommend a program called gimp.
>> >Don't know much about that one.
>> >
>> >HTH Elizabeth
>>
>> Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tom Elam
>>
>> http://members.iquest.net/~telam/
>
>Elam trips over own mouth. Gimp is Open source for linux, not Mac!
>
Really? You mean the versions of the GIMP that have been ported to MacOS
X don't really run?
(snip)
--
Rick
Rick
>In article <jHe59.16952$IO5.15...@news-text.cableinet.net>, Sam
>Morris <s...@netcity.co.FROGBLASTIT.uk> wrote:
>
>> I find it hilarious that WinMan thinks Paint Shop Pro is a "cheap
>> substitute" for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.
>
>But is that more hilarious than poor elam thinking Gimp is a "Mac
>program" "Gnu Image Manipulation Program" = Mac hahahahahaha. That's
>priceless - the toughest thing in csma is deciding which bozo is #1.
.. so, are you saying that the version MacOS version of the GIMP doen't
work?
>
>of course now that mac os is the most widely distributed unix system
>and part of the open source world all the gnu programs in a sense *are*
>mac programs, but i'm sure that's not what he meant. well, gotta run
>and prepare some figs for a new paper with that mac program, gnuplot.
In what sense are all gnu programs Mac programs?
--
Rick
Tom Elam
>What are you doing that causes the Mac to freeze up? I switched in
>March (from OS/2 btw) and turned have only turned it off twice when I
>left town. Other wise the machine has been on the whole time and I have
>had NO freeze ups. I use my Mac for web/java/jsp development and
>anything else I need a computer for.
>
>Mike
Heck if I know. I tried everything to fix it, including having the system
board changed out twice, reloading OS 9 at least a dozen times, stripping off
all the software and changing out the ram. Nothing helped. The OS itself
would lock up with no apps other than Finder running. Like I said, it was a
piece of crap. I got fed up and sold it on eBay to the second bidder. I paid
well over $2,250 for the machine, new apps, ram and a Firewire Jaz drive that
never worked right either, got $800 back. You might say I'm still a bit
cheesed off. I've owned at least a dozen Wintel machines over the years and
never had anything even close to that bad. It made Windows 95 look like a
paradigm of stability.
<rant off>
ZnU
"Sam Morris" <s...@netcity.co.FROGBLASTIT.uk> wrote:
> C Lund wrote:
> > In article <SNS49.3$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>,
> > "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Mac
> >> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
> >> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
> >
> > Examples?
>
> I find it hilarious that WinMan thinks Paint Shop Pro is a "cheap
> substitute" for ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.
What do you expect from someone who actually believe XP is easier to use
than Mac OS?
Jason S.
>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
How that dating thing going for you, BTW?
Lance Togar
news:christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no...
> In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The
only
> >> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
> >> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
> >Which one is it this time?
>
> Eh? Which one is what this time?
..
The MacOS, the MacOS X or, more to the point, the Xerox OS.
..
> >> > The superior Win XP interface
> >> something off?
>
> What do you mean, "Saab types"?
..
You haven't got one? Gawd what a surprise!
..
> BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
> ignition. Do you?
..
You didn't answer the question. Do you have a "Stop" key for whatever you
drive? Or, do you averagely understand that you'd use the start key to stop
(shutdown) the car's engine? BTW, most people don't need a great big "Start"
sign as evidenced by the small Windows Start button.
..
..
Jim Polaski
Ri...@nomail.com (Rick) wrote:
My error, I meant to say it was originally open source. It was not Mac
first....which is the important part.
interesting to note too that there is a GIMP driver for the epson Stylus
3000 ink jet printer and Epson is more than dragging their feet doing
one although manhy, many graphics and photo folks use this printer for
proofing spreads in doing design. It is a GREAT printer. Epsons
solution( one of their reps) was that we should forget the 3000 an buy a
7600 which has a X driver. makes sense to me, ditching a $2000 printer
by buying a $3600 one...Phew...
Mayor of R'lyeh
(Jason S.) wrote:
>Tom Elam posted the following first-level quoted material to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>
>Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
>a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
>
>http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
Does it work right yet? The last time I tried it it didn't even work
right with my Artpad.
>
>How that dating thing going for you, BTW?
He's in here again. Draw your own conclusion. 8)
--
From the Confused About The Concept Dept:
A legal way to dissolve civil unions or gay marriages
would minimize the harm to the families involved.
That's especially important when there are kids
involved.
David Buckel attorney at Lamda Legal Defense
Mayor of R'lyeh
<christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The only
>>> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
>>> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
>>Which one is it this time?
>
>Eh? Which one is what this time?
>
>>> > The superior Win XP interface
>>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>>> something off?
>>I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
>
>What do you mean, "Saab types"?
>
>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>ignition. Do you?
But you do use the same switch to shut it off that you used to start
it. According to you this is confusing even though no one else has a
problem with it.
Mayor of R'lyeh
<wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>in article
>dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
>e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
>on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 06:03:36 GMT C Lund
>> <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no>
>> <christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no> managed to
>> leave his iBong alone for a few seconds to write.
>>
>>> In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
>>> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The only
>>>>> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
>>>>> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
>>>> Which one is it this time?
>>>
>>> Eh? Which one is what this time?
>>>
>>>>>> The superior Win XP interface
>>>>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>>>>> something off?
>>>> I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
>>>
>>> What do you mean, "Saab types"?
>>>
>>> BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>> ignition. Do you?
>>
>> And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
>> status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
>> at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
>> computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
>> face looking at me.
>>
>Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
>how the computer works? :o)
>
>yc
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about that's not a
part of Windows. That's something that HP adds.
Mayor of R'lyeh
>C Lund wrote:
>> > The superior Win XP interface
>>
>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>> something off?
>>
>
>Hehehe... yes. And all that M$ did for the dos prompt was
>change the name to cmd line prompt.
Well that and get rid of DOS and replace it with a DOS emulater.
>But it still looks the same without any scroll bars, unlike
>an xterm. Type in edit at the XP cmd prompt and it's the
>same old dos editor.
Its supposed to look the same. Why would you expect it to look
different?
Mayor of R'lyeh
<christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>In article
><dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.eve
>r.made.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org>,
> CW <dev....@localhost.localvoid.org> wrote:
>
>>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>>ignition. Do you?
>
>>And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
>>status.
>
>Why the big fuss over that smiley face? Seriously - why does it bug you
>guys so much. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a tiny little icon on
>the screen that lasts only a few seconds during startup. It's there and
>then it's gone, not to be seen again until the next startup.
Its a stellar example of the cheesy cutesiness of the Mac.
>
>M$'s "Start" button, otoh, is a permanent, unintuitive fixture of the
>Windows GUI (well, it was in win98 anyway. I'm assuming it's still
>there).
What is 'unintuitive' about it? You're constantly whining about having
to go to the Start button to shut down the computer. Most things use
the same switch to turn them off that they do to turn them on. Why
you're suddenly confused by the concept just because its on the
computer is a bit baffling.
>
>> I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
>>at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
>>computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
>>face looking at me.
>
>You've smashed every single mirror in your parents' house, haven't you?
ZnU
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:50:12 GMT, C Lund
> <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.eve
> >r.made.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org>,
> > CW <dev....@localhost.localvoid.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
> >>>ignition. Do you?
> >
> >>And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
> >>status.
> >
> >Why the big fuss over that smiley face? Seriously - why does it bug you
> >guys so much. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a tiny little icon on
> >the screen that lasts only a few seconds during startup. It's there and
> >then it's gone, not to be seen again until the next startup.
>
> Its a stellar example of the cheesy cutesiness of the Mac.
The Happy Mac is in its last days. Jaguar replaces it with a nice
tasteful Apple logo.
In any case, nobody who uses Windows XP has any room to complain about
"cutesiness". At least Apple thinks its users are capable of using a
file searching tool without the help of an animated puppy.
[snip]
C Lund
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>ignition. Do you?
>But you do use the same switch to shut it off that you used to start
>it.
Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere. M$ could have
fixed this simply by renaming it to "Start/Stop". One does not label a
toggle function as "Start".
> According to you this is confusing even though no one else has a
>problem with it.
Newbies *do* have a problem with it. If the "Start" menu is where you go
to *start* something, where do you go to stop it? It's counterintuitive.
--
C Lund, Oslo
http://www.notam02.no/~clund/
C Lund
"Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>"C Lund" <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote in message
>news:christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no...
>> In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
>> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The only
>> >> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
>> >> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
>> >Which one is it this time?
>> Eh? Which one is what this time?
Win98 was a kludge of the old MacOS, and according to you wintrolls,
most of the changes made up to W2K were "under the hood", meaning that
the W2K GUI was still just an ugly MacOS ripoff. Which version XP is a
ripoff of I don't know (since I've never actually seen it in action),
although it has a superficial resemblance to Aqua (judging by
screenshots).
>> >> > The superior Win XP interface
>> >> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
>> >> something off?
>> >I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
>> What do you mean, "Saab types"?
>You haven't got one? Gawd what a surprise!
I ride a bike. Why shold I have a Saab (or car of any type for that
matter)?
>> BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>> ignition. Do you?
>You didn't answer the question. Do you have a "Stop" key for whatever you
>drive? Or, do you averagely understand that you'd use the start key to stop
>(shutdown) the car's engine? BTW, most people don't need a great big "Start"
>sign as evidenced by the small Windows Start button.
The ignition of a car is not labeled "Start". It's a toggle and doesn't
pretend to be anything else. By using the "Start" label, new users would
automatically assume that there was a "stop" button/menu somewhere.
Counterintuitive, iow.
C Lund
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Why the big fuss over that smiley face? Seriously - why does it bug you
>>guys so much. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a tiny little icon on
>>the screen that lasts only a few seconds during startup. It's there and
>>then it's gone, not to be seen again until the next startup.
>Its a stellar example of the cheesy cutesiness of the Mac.
A tiny icon that appears only for a few seconds during startup? The mac
isn't all that cheesy then.
>>M$'s "Start" button, otoh, is a permanent, unintuitive fixture of the
>>Windows GUI (well, it was in win98 anyway. I'm assuming it's still
>>there).
>What is 'unintuitive' about it?
The presence of "start" indicates that there is a "stop" somewhere.
> You're constantly whining about having
>to go to the Start button
Unlike your constant whining over the sminling mac?
> to shut down the computer. Most things use
>the same switch to turn them off that they do to turn them on.
Yeah, but they (usually) don't have a label that indicates that one
shold look for a second switch to turn the thing off. Electrical
appliances generally have a switch that's labeled "on/off" or "power". A
car's ignition doesn't have any label at all, and neither do light
switches (not here in Norway anyway).
Rick
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:37:26 -0400, jhst...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM
>(Jason S.) wrote:
>
>>Tom Elam posted the following first-level quoted material to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>
>>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>>
>>Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
>>a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
>>
>>http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
>
>Does it work right yet? The last time I tried it it didn't even work
>right with my Artpad.
>
No, window$ still doesn't work right.
>>
>>How that dating thing going for you, BTW?
>
>He's in here again. Draw your own conclusion. 8)
>
--
Rick
Jason McNorton
christop...@NOSPAMchello.no says...
My Tivo has a 'play' button, but no 'stop' button.
Jeez, I dunno how I manage..
Ted
ROTFLMFAO
Ted
Tim Adams
IF there is a problem with 20% or so of Word files not transfering
correctly from one platform to another, then the problem is an MS Word
problem, NOT a problem with either OS.
Andy Walton
> Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
Mac program?
C'mon, Tom. This is idiotic even by your standards.
WinMan
"Tim Adams" <tea...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:teadams-23A637...@netnews.attbi.com...
Does'nt matter. The fact is if you own Mac you WILL have
compatibility problems.
Cyclical
----------
In article <owt59.11$iH6....@newsfeed.avtel.net>, "WinMan"
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Does'nt matter. The fact is if you own Mac you WILL have
> compatibility problems.
>
Unless your WinMan then you only have comprehension problems!.
tom keyes
<Ri...@nomail.com> wrote:
> .. so, are you saying that the version MacOS version of the GIMP doen't
> work?
I'm saying that it's not a lousy, inferior "mac program" in the sense
that elam used it
>
> >
> >of course now that mac os is the most widely distributed unix system
> >and part of the open source world all the gnu programs in a sense *are*
> >mac programs, but i'm sure that's not what he meant. well, gotta run
> >and prepare some figs for a new paper with that mac program, gnuplot.
>
> In what sense are all gnu programs Mac programs?
in the sense that they run on the OS X Mac unix system, constituting a
huge increase in the amount of available 'mac software'
Lance Togar
> In article <w0m59.7805$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >"C Lund" <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote in message
> >news:christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no...
> >> In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
> >> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The
only
> >> >> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
> >> >> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
> >> >Which one is it this time?
> >> Eh? Which one is what this time?
> >The MacOS, the MacOS X or, more to the point, the Xerox OS.
>
> Win98 was a kludge of the old MacOS, and according to you wintrolls,
> most of the changes made up to W2K were "under the hood", meaning that
> the W2K GUI was still just an ugly MacOS ripoff. Which version XP is a
> ripoff of I don't know (since I've never actually seen it in action),
> although it has a superficial resemblance to Aqua (judging by
> screenshots).
Oh, just so we know the current spin.
..
> >> >> > The superior Win XP interface
> >> >> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
> >> >> something off?
> >> >I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
> >> What do you mean, "Saab types"?
> >You haven't got one? Gawd what a surprise!
>
> I ride a bike. Why shold I have a Saab (or car of any type for that
> matter)?
>
> >> BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
> >> ignition. Do you?
>
> >You didn't answer the question. Do you have a "Stop" key for whatever you
> >drive? Or, do you averagely understand that you'd use the start key to
stop
> >(shutdown) the car's engine? BTW, most people don't need a great big
"Start"
> >sign as evidenced by the small Windows Start button.
>
> The ignition of a car is not labeled "Start". It's a toggle and doesn't
> pretend to be anything else. By using the "Start" label, new users would
> automatically assume that there was a "stop" button/menu somewhere.
> Counterintuitive, iow.
Maybe it's because of the bike but auto ignition switches _do_ have a
"Start" label _and_ the same switch is used to "Stop" the engine. I also use
the same control to "Start" and "Stop" the fire on the gas grill and the
same control to "Start" and "Stop" the microwave oven. Doesn't seem
counterintuitive to me and, other than here, I've never heard it mentioned
before.
..
..
Chris
"C Lund" <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote in message
> Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
> label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere. M$ could have
> fixed this simply by renaming it to "Start/Stop". One does not label a
> toggle function as "Start".
> http://www.notam02.no/~clund/
What do the Red, Yellow & Green balls mean on the OSX title bar?
What are the words for [O]pen, [S]ave, [C]opy, [P]aste in Norwegian?
Does Japanese language have Latin alphabets?
English IS a logical language ... "play at a recital; recite at a play"
Mayor of R'lyeh
<christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>In article <3d55f4ed$0$3571$272e...@news.execpc.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>>ignition. Do you?
>
>>But you do use the same switch to shut it off that you used to start
>>it.
>
>Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
>label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere.
Why? Just because I have an ignition switch on my car doesn't mean
that there's a seperate 'unignition' switch somewhere. And btw the
ignition switch in my van has a 'Start' and a 'Run' position labelled.
There is no 'Stop' position labelled on it. Somehow I struggle
through.
> M$ could have
>fixed this simply by renaming it to "Start/Stop". One does not label a
>toggle function as "Start".
>
>> According to you this is confusing even though no one else has a
>>problem with it.
>
>Newbies *do* have a problem with it.
I haven't seen it. I've shown lots of people how to use Windows and
none of them found this issue to be the stumper it is for you.
> If the "Start" menu is where you go
>to *start* something, where do you go to stop it? It's counterintuitive.
Once people see the 'Shut Down' option under the Start Menu they
generally remember it. Perhaps if you laid off the ' chemical
recreation' you'd be able to as well.
Mayor of R'lyeh
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:23:27 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:37:26 -0400, jhst...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM
>>(Jason S.) wrote:
>>
>>>Tom Elam posted the following first-level quoted material to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>>
>>>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>>>
>>>Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
>>>a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
>>>
>>>http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
>>
>>Does it work right yet? The last time I tried it it didn't even work
>>right with my Artpad.
>>
>
>No, window$ still doesn't work right.
It works just fine for me. Maybe if you bothered to learn it...?
>
>>>
>>>How that dating thing going for you, BTW?
>>
>>He's in here again. Draw your own conclusion. 8)
>>
--
flip
Really? I own a Mac. I don't have compatibility problems.
Thank goodness--you haven't ended your 100% wrong record.
flip
Tom Elam <te...@iquest.net> wrote:
>
> Quicken for the Mac is a Joke. It's at least 4 years behind the PC version,
> and will not even properly handle stock transactions. If all you have is a
> checking account, then I suppose it might work.
Really? Quicken for the Mac won't handle stock transactions?
Since when? I track most of my investments with Quicken.
It doesn't handle stock _options_, but it handles other stock
transactions just fine.
flip
sll...@aol.com (sllv521) wrote:
> Actually I would be preety pissed off if I bought a $1200 Emac which only had
> 128 megs of ram and was only as fast as a celery 800. I would hope it to be
> about as fast as a p4 1.5.
Yeah, but you wouldn't actually pay for the Mac so it would be OK.
Steve White
You've just eaten a bad worm, silly git. I transfer Word files from Macs
to PCs and back on a daily basis. No problems at all.
My real work = physician scientist.
Your real work = mail room boy.
I'll put my real work against yours any day :-)
steve
Ted
I love this place. It's posts like this that make me love it even more.
A physician scientist acting like an 8 year old child. Where else can
you find such entertainment at such a good price?
Trashman, how are you gonna put your work up against his, put them in a
ring and let them go at it?
You are one Stupid Fuck.
Ted
Rick
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:50:06 -0000, Ri...@nomail.com (Rick) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:23:27 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:37:26 -0400, jhst...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM
>>>(Jason S.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tom Elam posted the following first-level quoted material to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>>>
>>>>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>>>>
>>>>Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
>>>>a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
>>>
>>>Does it work right yet? The last time I tried it it didn't even work
>>>right with my Artpad.
>>>
>>
>>No, window$ still doesn't work right.
>
>It works just fine for me.
I don't doubt it.
> Maybe if you bothered to learn it...?
Maybe if you learned what the hell you were talking about.... I highly
doubt you have been using window$ any longer than I have.
(snip)
--
Rick
flip
"Ted" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
And Teddy continues to grow more Pikey-like every day.
Are you ever going to contribute something of value to this group (other
than the entertainment value of people laughing at you, of course)?
Ted
Hell no, what would I have to contribute that would be of any use to you
Flip?
Ted
WinMan
"flip" <fli...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:flippo-C5242D....@news.central.cox.net...
You haven't changed your 100% record of making a dumbass
of yourself. Of course you will not have problems with
the simplistic files you use. People who do real work
do have problems.
WinMan
"Steve White" <sp...@spam.me.not> wrote in message
news:spam-8D487B.1...@netnews.attbi.com...
Your real work = Trashman. And we all know trashpeople
don't have problems with interchanging files.
Rincon Gum
XP is terrible. The start button is messed up that everything is taking
longer to accomplish than doing it on Win 2k. Lots of applications
that work fine with win 2K still do not
work with win XP. So I sold me win XP on eBay and
reinstalled my PC with win 2K.
"WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<SNS49.3$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>...
> "Roger" <zrog...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:zroger73-8D334C...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Well, I did it. I made the switch. Actually, Iąm making the switch. This
> > is my first Mac - an eMac from CompUSA which I promptly added 256 megs
> > and sent off my OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) order form. I am having mixed
> > experiences so far but as time goes on Iąm getting more comfortable with
> > OS X. I purchased this machine completely out of curiosity about the Mac
> > realm. It was an unnecessary purchase and definitely something I could
> > have done without. However, since I have plopped down the money for it,
> > I might as well use it and hopefully, eventually, sell off my three PCs
> > to recover the cost of the eMac.
> >
>
>
> Why would you want to get rid of all 3 of your PCs? No PC means
> no compatibility with the real world out there.
>
>
> > My overall impression with the eMac was frustrating the first few days
> > while I was becoming accustomed to the look and feel of OS X and while
> > trying to make my hardware work and find suitable replacements for my
> > favorite programs. Itąs been almost a week now and Iąve not touched a PC
> > except to reference to old data somewhere. Iąm going back to school soon
> > and havenąt found a job yet in my new locattion so I basically sit in
> > front of the computer all day long to occupy my time. I like the eMac
> > now but I think Iąm going to grow to love it. My roomate is mostly
> > responsible for this purchase. He hates Microsoft and wants an iBook to
> > get away from it all. He likes my eMac and still plans to purchase his
> > iBook in a few months.
> >
>
> And Macs are supposed to be so "easy" to use and learn because they
> are so much more "elegant". NOT!!! The superior Win XP interface
> is much easier for a person who has never used a computer to learn.
> Just think how bad OS X would be to use if you never had any PC
> experience.
>
>
>
> > So, having said all that, here are my experiences so far with my
> > programs that I use on a daily basis and my hardware:
> >
> > SOFTWARE
> >
> > Quicken
> > Quicken for Mac is in a different file format than Quicken for PC. I
> > tried exporting then importing the data with no success. Basically I
> > took this opportunity to łstart over˛ and reenter my accounts one by one
> > as I get the next monthly statement.
> >
>
> And Mac is supposed to be SOOOOOO compatible with the
> real world? NOT!!!
>
>
>
> > Paint Shop Pro
> > My favorite graphics program has no Mac version. However my eMac came
> > with a free Epson Photo 820 printer that came with a program called
> > PhotoImpressions that seems to do the basics of what I need as far as
> > photo editing. I have Adobe Photoshop 6.0 but it has to run in Classic
> > Mode which I feel is going backward from native OS X programs.
> >
>
>
> Along with a lot of other programs that have no Mac version. Mac
> owners always have to worry about the most optimal program
> being available. If not they must resort to cheap substitutes.
>
>
> > Winamp
> > Appleąs iTunes does just fine.
> >
>
> Awful to have to resort to a substitute program anytime the
> standard choice is not available.
>
>
>
>
> > Kazaa
> > No Mac version. Limewire seems to be the best for Mac but there are far
> > fewer search results and far less download success rates.
> >
>
> Welcome to the world of Mac illegal file sharing. Mac owners
> have a long and distinguished history of copyright infringment.
> Why do you think the iPod was designed the way it was?
>
>
>
>
> > AIM
> > There is a Mac version but with slightly less functtionality. I rarely
> > used the extra features anyway.
> >
> > Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Publisher)
> > I miss this one. Short of purchasing Office v.X Iąm just going to stick
> > with AppleWorks. Itąs becoming more acceptable as I learn how to use it.
> >
>
> Appleworks acceptable? NOT!!!
>
>
>
>
> > Norton Antivirus
> > No problem. Mac version availble.
> >
> > NTI CD-Maker Deluxe
> > No Mac version here, either. However the basic CD authoring tools in OS
> > X and iTunes stll let me create a music CD, data CD and copy CDąs
> > (although I seem to have to make a disk image on the desktop from my
> > original CD then burn this image to a CD-R).
> >
>
>
> Awful not to have the program you really want isn't it?
>
>
>
> > Yahoo! Messenger.
> > Hmm. Well there is a Mac version but it doesnąt support text, audio or
> > video chat, just instant messenges. There is a program called Charla
> > which allows text only chat rooms but I do miss audio and video chat.
> > Right now Iąm trying a program called iSpQ VideoChat as a workaround.
> >
> > HARDWARE
> >
> > HP Deskjet 722C printer
> > GOOD old inkjet. In no way Mac compatible. Thank goodness (I think? I
> > donąt care for Epson) my eMac came with a free Epson Photo 820 printer.
> > I used to sell printers at a retail office supply store and Epson is not
> > among my favorable brands of printers. I always go HP. This Epson is
> > noisy and ink doesnąt last long and is more difficult to find. I think
> > there is an HP 960 in my future.
> >
>
> Another time when a peice of hardware is not compatible. An
> old story with OS 10.
>
>
>
> > Kodak EZ200 digicam/webcam
> > Not compatible with Mac. Rarely used it anyway. I also have an old
> > Logitech Quickcam Express that seems to work with a beta version of a
> > program called Macam.
> >
>
> Yet another incompatibility with the real world.
>
>
>
> > Kodak DC-240 digicam
> > Supposedly it works natively with iPhoto and/or Image Capture. I havenąt
> > tried it yet though because my USB cable is not with me right now.
> >
> > Sandisk SDDR31 CF card reader
> > Works natively with OS X very well. Just pops up on the desktop when I
> > insert my memory card.
> >
> > JAMP3 junkie el-cheapo mp3 player
> > I bought this at my last job because it was on clearance. It never
> > worked with my PC very well but works fine with my eMac. OS X sees the
> > device as a mass storage device and puts an icon on the desktop. Hint:
> > be sure to łeject˛ the device before you disconnect it. It froze my eMac
> > once.
> >
> > Canon D670U scanner
> > This one took a while. Appearently OS X 10.1.4 has no TWAIN support
> > therefore manufacturers donąt have TWAIN driver for OS X yet. Canon
> > did/does offer a Photoshop 7 plug-in but I donąt have $800 laying around
> > just to scan. So I finally came across a program called Vuescan that
> > works beautifully with this scanner.
> >
>
> A Twain standard still not agreed on AFTER OVER ONE YEAR of
> OS X being out.
WinMan
"Rincon Gum" <somers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f4fa4a6.02081...@posting.google.com...
> I switched from windows to OS X last Fall and one of the reasons is
> XP is terrible. The start button is messed up that everything is taking
> longer to accomplish than doing it on Win 2k. Lots of applications
> that work fine with win 2K still do not
> work with win XP. So I sold me win XP on eBay and
> reinstalled my PC with win 2K.
>
You must have some pretty uncommon applications. I have
tried hundreds of programs and only 1 did not work with XP.
Elizabot
He sure is. From the "nice guy" routine straight into the foul-mouthed dolt.
John Bauer
> In article <christopher.lund-FF...@news01.chello.no>,
> christop...@NOSPAMchello.no says...
> > The ignition of a car is not labeled "Start". It's a toggle and doesn't
> > pretend to be anything else. By using the "Start" label, new users would
> > automatically assume that there was a "stop" button/menu somewhere.
> > Counterintuitive, iow.
>
> My Tivo has a 'play' button, but no 'stop' button.
>
> Jeez, I dunno how I manage..
Do you hit the play button to stop playing? If so, wouldn't you say
that's rather counterintuitive?
--
John Bauer
John C. Randolph
Tom Elam wrote:
> Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
The GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) is an open-source image
editor, that was first developed on UNIX using X-Windows. It's been
ported to other platforms including Macintosh.
GIMP can also run under MS windoze, for those who are willing to
tolerate the instability of that platform.
-jcr
The Pikey
Ted, you are officially the funniest guy in CSMA right now. ROFLMAO
CW
<christop...@NOSPAMchello.no>
<christopher.lund-54...@news01.chello.no> managed to
leave his iBong alone for a few seconds to write.
>In article
><dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.eve
>r.made.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org>,
> CW <dev....@localhost.localvoid.org> wrote:
>
>>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>>>ignition. Do you?
>
>>And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
>>status.
>
>Why the big fuss over that smiley face? Seriously - why does it bug you
>guys so much. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a tiny little icon on
>the screen that lasts only a few seconds during startup. It's there and
>then it's gone, not to be seen again until the next startup.
Umm, because a computer making faces at you is not normal. That face
makes the computer look like a toy meant for little children and is
meant for those with no technical skills. I rather pop the side case
on my tower and look at the on board Hex code display when something
goes wrong with my system instead of wasting my time looking at faces
on the screen. And if the smiley face was so "normal" then why is the
face only on the Mac and no other computer platform?
Don't answer...I'll tell you. It's because anyone would even an ounce
of technical training would smash their screen if they got some kiddie
watered down error code message with a face on their screen. And since
most Maccies have no technical skills they don't mind the smiley face.
>M$'s "Start" button, otoh, is a permanent, unintuitive fixture of the
>Windows GUI (well, it was in win98 anyway. I'm assuming it's still
>there).
Yes it's still there in XP and it will probably still be here in
future versions of Winblowz as well...big deal. I don't need to click
on the start button while I'm using Windows. All I have to do is click
short cut keys
WinKey, P will open programs menu
WinKey, U, U will shut down
Winkey, U, S will place in standby
Winkey, S, C will open control panel
etc, etc, etc
I barely ever click on that start button, so I don't really see the
start button as a problem, unlike that stupid smiley face.
>> I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
>>at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
>>computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
>>face looking at me.
>
>You've smashed every single mirror in your parents' house, haven't you?
No my house has always been Norwegian free so all the mirrors didn't
need to be smashed. The last thing I would need in any house of mine
is a fat, dirty, stupid, poor Norwegian asking were he can get some
whale blubber. Not that I would have to worry about that since the
security checkpoints in Norway just check for the last time a
Norwegian has used a bar of soap.
David C. Fritzinger
<ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:17:42 -0700, yellow cake
> <wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >in article
> >dse9luo0igu7mq11h...@windows.is.the.most.crappiest.os.ever.mad
> >e.and.is.nothing.but.junk.org, CW at dev....@localhost.localvoid.org wrote
> >on 8/10/02 12:11 AM:
> >
> >> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 06:03:36 GMT C Lund
> >> <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no>
> >> <christopher.lund-8F...@news01.chello.no> managed to
> >> leave his iBong alone for a few seconds to write.
> >>
> >>> In article <P_X49.5915$QV2....@news.webusenet.com>,
> >>> "Lance Togar" <lto...@hub.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Why not? It's a new OS. Some fumbling around is bond to happen. The only
> >>>>> reason Windows is fairly easy for a maccie to begin with is that the
> >>>>> Windows GUI is basically just a kludged ripoff of the mac GUI.
> >>>> Which one is it this time?
> >>>
> >>> Eh? Which one is what this time?
> >>>
> >>>>>> The superior Win XP interface
> >>>>> Supiriour how? Does the user still ahve to go to "Start" to shut
> >>>>> something off?
> >>>> I suppose you Saab types have a "Stop" key for your car.
> >>>
> >>> What do you mean, "Saab types"?
> >>>
> >>> BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
> >>> ignition. Do you?
> >>
> >> And I don't know of any car that makes faces at you depending on it's
> >> status. I think I would smash my dashboard if my car ever made a face
> >> at me if it was low on oil, gas,etc. What kind of pothead makes a
> >> computer that has a face on it? I rather a start button than a freaky
> >> face looking at me.
> >>
> >Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
> >how the computer works? :o)
> >
> >yc
>
> If you're talking about what I think you're talking about that's not a
> part of Windows. That's something that HP adds.
Actually, if it is what I'm thinking about, it _isn't_ part of Windows.
It is part of Office, though. And, HP doesn't add it.
Dave Fritzinger
David C. Fritzinger
<ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:24:36 GMT, C Lund
> <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>
> >In article <3d55f4ed$0$3571$272e...@news.execpc.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
> >>>ignition. Do you?
> >
> >>But you do use the same switch to shut it off that you used to start
> >>it.
> >
> >Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
> >label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere.
>
> Why? Just because I have an ignition switch on my car doesn't mean
> that there's a seperate 'unignition' switch somewhere. And btw the
> ignition switch in my van has a 'Start' and a 'Run' position labelled.
> There is no 'Stop' position labelled on it. Somehow I struggle
> through.
You mean that it doesn't have an "off" position? Gee, both my cars do.
As have every car I have driven. You drive some strange cars, Mayor.
Dave Fritzinger
[snip]
David C. Fritzinger
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Too bad that one program was the OS...
8^)
Dave Fritzinger
Steve White
Elizabot <booR...@greyREMOVErock.org> wrote:
> He sure is. From the "nice guy" routine straight into the foul-mouthed dolt.
Was he ever a "nice guy"? I ask for amusement purposes only :-)
steve
Steve White
"WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> You haven't changed your 100% record of making a dumbass
> of yourself. Of course you will not have problems with
> the simplistic files you use. People who do real work
> do have problems.
>
>
Silly git: come to a University, any University, where both Macs and PCs
are being used. You'll see files going back and forth all the time. They
do real work there (imagine!) and they don't have problems.
Better rest up -- busy day in the mail room tomorrow!
steve
Tim Adams
> "Tim Adams" <tea...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:teadams-23A637...@netnews.attbi.com...
> > In article <P5k59.10$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>,
> > "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Steve White" <ju...@say.no.to.spammers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:just-089B51.2...@netnews.attbi.com...
> > > > In article <SNS49.3$iH6...@newsfeed.avtel.net>,
> > > > "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > And Macs are supposed to be so "easy" to use and learn because they
> > > > > are so much more "elegant". NOT!!! The superior Win XP interface
> > > > > is much easier for a person who has never used a computer to learn.
> > > > > Just think how bad OS X would be to use if you never had any PC
> > > > > experience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You remind me of the baby bird that eats Mama's regurgitated worms.
> > > > Ballmer speaks, and you parrot.
> > > >
> > > > How do you manage to consume oxygen during the day? I ask for
> > > > entertainment purposes only, of course :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > And Mac is supposed to be SOOOOOO compatible with the
> > > > > real world? NOT!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Silly mail room git. My Mac loads and works with virtually any file
> > > > created by a PC person -- even one created by a clueless mailroom git.
> > > > And if I sent you a file, your PC would read it, even though you
> > > > couldn't understand the contents :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > For your simplistic work Trashman Mac may have satisfactory
> > > compatibility. For real work only about 80% of Word files
> > > will transfer between platforms without some formatting screwup.
> > > And thats just one example.
> > >
> >
> > IF there is a problem with 20% or so of Word files not transfering
> > correctly from one platform to another, then the problem is an MS Word
> > problem, NOT a problem with either OS.
>
>
> Does'nt matter. The fact is if you own Mac you WILL have
> compatibility problems.
>
Problems ONLY if you use crap written by MS, like xp.
yellow cake
Fritzinger at dfri...@nospam.hotmail.nospam.com wrote on 8/11/02 7:00 PM:
> In article <3d55f575$0$3571$272e...@news.execpc.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh
> <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:17:42 -0700, yellow cake
>> <wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
snip
>>>>
>>> Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
>>> how the computer works? :o)
>>>
>>> yc
>>
>> If you're talking about what I think you're talking about that's not a
>> part of Windows. That's something that HP adds.
>
>
> Actually, if it is what I'm thinking about, it _isn't_ part of Windows.
> It is part of Office, though. And, HP doesn't add it.
>
> Dave Fritzinger
No, I think the Mayor is correct. It is an HP that I was talking about. You
are thinking of the ever annoying clippy, or the stupid dog with the cape.
Those are from MSOffice. And they can be turned off, but you have to (oh the
horror!) right click to turn them off.
Speaking of MS, here are some menus that would be nice in Windows...
http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html
yc
--
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that
heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I've found it!),
but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov
Mayor of R'lyeh
<wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>in article 110820021600191466%dfri...@nospam.hotmail.nospam.com, David C.
>Fritzinger at dfri...@nospam.hotmail.nospam.com wrote on 8/11/02 7:00 PM:
>
>> In article <3d55f575$0$3571$272e...@news.execpc.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:17:42 -0700, yellow cake
>>> <wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>snip
>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, what kind of freak has an OS with a little Einstein guy pointing out
>>>> how the computer works? :o)
>>>>
>>>> yc
>>>
>>> If you're talking about what I think you're talking about that's not a
>>> part of Windows. That's something that HP adds.
>>
>>
>> Actually, if it is what I'm thinking about, it _isn't_ part of Windows.
>> It is part of Office, though. And, HP doesn't add it.
>>
>> Dave Fritzinger
>
>No, I think the Mayor is correct. It is an HP that I was talking about. You
>are thinking of the ever annoying clippy, or the stupid dog with the cape.
>Those are from MSOffice. And they can be turned off, but you have to (oh the
>horror!) right click to turn them off.
Or better yet you don't need to install them in the first place.
>
>Speaking of MS, here are some menus that would be nice in Windows...
>
>http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html
>
>yc
--
Elizabot
I dunno. He was aping Pikey's "Mr. Nice Guy" for a little while
recently. That's all I was referring to.
WinMan
"Steve White" <sp...@spam.me.not> wrote in message
Steve your work is even lighter duty then I imagined. People
who do technical work with lots of illustrations(And I'm not talking
about a simple drawing of your favorite object- a trash can) often
experience problems with getting files to display or print properly
on both platforms.
yellow cake
ev5...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/11/02 8:29 PM:
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:26:10 -0700, yellow cake
> <wabi...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>
snip
>>
>> No, I think the Mayor is correct. It is an HP that I was talking about. You
>> are thinking of the ever annoying clippy, or the stupid dog with the cape.
>> Those are from MSOffice. And they can be turned off, but you have to (oh the
>> horror!) right click to turn them off.
>
> Or better yet you don't need to install them in the first place.
I thought they were *on* by default when you install MS Office? Most every
computer I have been on I turn the damn thing off. Way more annoying then
the Mac smiley face. Myself, when I occasionally have to reboot my Mac, I
don't sit and stare at the screen, I go get coffee or something, so I never
see it anyway.
yc
Mayor of R'lyeh
<dfri...@nospam.hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>In article <3d56979f$0$1432$272e...@news.execpc.com>, Mayor of R'lyeh
><ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:24:36 GMT, C Lund
>> <christop...@NOSPAMchello.no> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3d55f4ed$0$3571$272e...@news.execpc.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>BTW: I don't know of any car that has a great big "Start" sign over the
>> >>>ignition. Do you?
>> >
>> >>But you do use the same switch to shut it off that you used to start
>> >>it.
>> >
>> >Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
>> >label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere.
>>
>> Why? Just because I have an ignition switch on my car doesn't mean
>> that there's a seperate 'unignition' switch somewhere. And btw the
>> ignition switch in my van has a 'Start' and a 'Run' position labelled.
>> There is no 'Stop' position labelled on it. Somehow I struggle
>> through.
>
>You mean that it doesn't have an "off" position?
Of course it has on off position. Its just not labelled.
> Gee, both my cars do.
How do you manage? According to C Lund because it has an 'On' switch
that means it has to have a seperate 'Off' switch.
>As have every car I have driven. You drive some strange cars, Mayor.
It seems like a perfectly normal Aerostar to me. You don't happen to
know where I can get JATO unit do you? 8)
>
>Dave Fritzinger
>[snip]
Mayor of R'lyeh
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:01:38 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:50:06 -0000, Ri...@nomail.com (Rick) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:23:27 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:37:26 -0400, jhst...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM
>>>>(Jason S.) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Tom Elam posted the following first-level quoted material to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gimp, such an appropriate name for a Mac program.
>>>>>
>>>>>Um, Tommy, it's a UNIX program; I've had it for years. The Maccies get
>>>>>a port. You Windrones get a port as well:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/
>>>>
>>>>Does it work right yet? The last time I tried it it didn't even work
>>>>right with my Artpad.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, window$ still doesn't work right.
>>
>>It works just fine for me.
>
>I don't doubt it.
What happened to me being a liar and nothing I say counting? 8)
>
>> Maybe if you bothered to learn it...?
>
>Maybe if you learned what the hell you were talking about.... I highly
>doubt you have been using window$ any longer than I have.
And yet I learned how to use it and you didn't. Its not the amount of
time you put in, Rick, its the amount of effort.
>(snip)
C Lund
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Correct. But it doesn't have a big "Start" label on it. The "Start"
>>label indicates that there is a "Stop" menu somewhere.
>Why? Just because I have an ignition switch on my car doesn't mean
>that there's a seperate 'unignition' switch somewhere. And btw the
>ignition switch in my van has a 'Start' and a 'Run' position labelled.
>There is no 'Stop' position labelled on it. Somehow I struggle
>through.
So does it come with a great big "start" label?
>>> According to you this is confusing even though no one else has a
>>>problem with it.
>>Newbies *do* have a problem with it.
>I haven't seen it.
So?
>> If the "Start" menu is where you go
>>to *start* something, where do you go to stop it? It's counterintuitive.
>Once people see the 'Shut Down' option under the Start Menu they
>generally remember it. Perhaps if you laid off the ' chemical
>recreation' you'd be able to as well.
Sorry mayor, but I'm not the one inhaling rubber fumes.
--
C Lund, Oslo
http://www.notam02.no/~clund/