I was running Photoshop, Illustrator, MacPAR, Hogwasher, Acrobat Pro,
Distiller, Word, Graphic Converter, iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and others,
just merrily chugging along, everyone playing nice. iTunes would stutter if I
distilled a file *and* reassembled a PAR *and* ran some filter on a big TIFF
at the same time, but what do I expect, it's only a wee 1.67 GHz.
Right next to it was my wife's even older 1 GHz PowerBook, with 1 GB RAM, of
the pre-two-finger-scroll era, and I was churning away things on it too. (By
the way, the thing is bent. The whole thing. Close the lid and draw a line on
the lid from the right rear corner to the center of the front face, where the
latch is. Now, imagine holding down the main unit but bending upward on the
front right corner about a quarter inch, and bending both the lower main
chassis and the screen's chassis. Yeah, that's bent.)
Hell, I've seen Windows so-called scream machines collapse under a load far
less than that. The office machines can't run Word, PowerPoint, and Outlook
all at the same time for more than five minutes without a reboot, and my
neighbor kid with his tricked-out Dell can't run that many simultaneous apps
either.
Where I'm going with this has to do with threading. Now, I used to program
back in the days of Turbo Pascal but I've been on the user end since then,
and have not kept up with the ins and outs of multithreading, hyperthreading,
multitasking, hyperventilating, and so on, but I have heard jabs being
directed at Apple; that they're not doing it so well, and at the core,
Windows does it better.
Well, to those people, all I have to say is "bite me." When the rubber meets
the road is where it counts, and in years and years of running Windows, many
times on cutting-edge machines, and only running Macs here and there until
recently, my Mac experience -- and by experience I'm referring not to the
length of time used, but to the feeling -- is the one that's shown to be most
stable in the multiapplication area. It is far and away more satisfying than
my Windows experience.
>The office machines can't run Word, PowerPoint, and Outlook
>all at the same time for more than five minutes without a reboot, and my
>neighbor kid with his tricked-out Dell can't run that many simultaneous apps
>either.
Bull. My 3 year old Dell with 1 gig of ram and a 2.6 GHZ P4 runs
Outlook, Word, Excel and PowerPoint, Agent, makes PDF files, and plays
audio, all at the same time, and the audio never stutters. Windows XP
has never needed rebooting due to OS or application errors.
Tell your IT person to upgrade those old P2 Win 95 machines.
Tom Elam
Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
--
"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the
very structure of our government."
Al Gore
Bill Clinton became eligible for reinstatement to the
bar on January 19,2006 after losing his law license
in 2001 for comitting perjury.
um, yeah, not really that believable, unless you're leaving out a huge part
of the story (like you're running a 486 machine w/ bad ram that overheats or
something...)
> and my
> neighbor kid with his tricked-out Dell can't run that many simultaneous
> apps
> either.
<snip>
Jealous, Mayor? I bet you are.
--
Posted from my 1999 Apple G4 Sawtooth
A 450 MHz G4 running OS X 10.4.8
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:19 -0500, Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The office machines can't run Word, PowerPoint, and Outlook
> >all at the same time for more than five minutes without a reboot, and my
> >neighbor kid with his tricked-out Dell can't run that many simultaneous apps
> >either.
> Bull. My 3 year old Dell with 1GB RAM and a 2.6 GHz P4 runs
> Outlook, Word, Excel and PowerPoint, Agent, makes PDF files, and plays
> audio, all at the same time, and the audio never stutters. Windows XP
> has never needed rebooting due to OS or application errors.
>
> Tom Elam
Bull. Let your drug induced fog clear up, then you can make clear headed
posts.
> Tom Elam
Of a guy telling (another) made up story about how mighty his old Mac
is compared to PCs? Why would I be jealous of that?
P3 Win 2000.
My office machine takes 9 minutes to boot.
Bull.
Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
> >Well, to those people, all I have to say is "bite me." When the rubber meets
> >the road is where it counts, and in years and years of running Windows, many
> >times on cutting-edge machines, and only running Macs here and there until
> >recently, my Mac experience -- and by experience I'm referring not to the
> >length of time used, but to the feeling -- is the one that's shown to be
> >most
> >stable in the multiapplication area. It is far and away more satisfying than
> >my Windows experience.
>
> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
not only believable, but true.
i think it's funny to watch recent switchers with the bad habit of
"quitting" a program, or even worse is they will "wait" for a program to
stop doing something before "they" do something else. that's ABSURD on
OSX, you can run 10, 20 programs or even more all at the same time and
flip between them with ease. windows chokes on this, and their users
have learned bad habits as a result. shame on microsoft.
> On Feb 25, 2007, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
>
> Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
>
Show the facts!
--
€ There is no known malware that attacks OS X in the wild
€ There are two general types of PCs: Macs and PCs (odd naming conventions!)
€ Mac OS X 10.x.x is a version of Mac OS
>On Feb 25, 2007, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
>
>Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
Right now Snit's is higher than yours.
yeah, like i said, there's something whacked. do you NOT think your
experience here is a bit atypical? ( i doubt even the most delusional mac
advocates here would think i's representative.)
>Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
I see that you're as familiar with working on Windows as Mr. Murray
is. That is, I doubt either of you has ever even seen a computer
running it.
>"Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
Well you lost that one. Read Oxford's reply to me. He's about as
delusional as it gets when it comes to Maccies.
Yes, a 9-minute boot is atypical and absurd. But you tacked on the "not
really that believable" right behind where I specifically referred to "the
office machines", so I addressed the very same.
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:43:09 -0500, Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>> On Feb 25, 2007, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>>> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
>>
>> Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
>
> Right now Snit's is higher than yours.
>
While there are trolls who will say otherwise, really, those in CSMA who
have been here a while know full well I am, as I say, honest and honorable.
Heck, even the trolls have given up trying to show any examples otherwise
with me... the "best" they can do is run to allegations from years ago -
even though the one who they claim has "proof" of my wrong doing was
recently caught red handed *dishonestly* spewing the same, but new,
allegations against me.
If that is their best evidence against me, well, even they clearly know they
are just making stuff up.
--
€ Nuclear arms are arms
€ OS X's Command+Scroll wheel function does not exist in default XP
€ Technical competence and intelligence are not the same thing
>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
>7fp4u2pakoc9t00u4...@4ax.com on 2/25/07 9:45 PM:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:43:09 -0500, Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2007, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>>>> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
>>>
>>> Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
>>
>> Right now Snit's is higher than yours.
Snit Circus shut down.
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:20:01 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
> wisdom:
> >Jealous, Mayor? I bet you are.
>
> Of a guy telling (another) made up story about how mighty his old Mac
> is compared to PCs? Why would I be jealous of that?
Because you are one of many Wintrolls who are cheesed off at the fact
that Macs are superior to PCs.
What reason would I have to lie about my Macs? Does the truth about my
mighty Macs bother you that much?
If you were not jealous of Macs, you would post in Windoze groups.
> >i think it's funny to watch recent switchers with the bad habit of
> >"quitting" a program, or even worse is they will "wait" for a program to
> >stop doing something before "they" do something else. that's ABSURD on
> >OSX, you can run 10, 20 programs or even more all at the same time and
> >flip between them with ease. windows chokes on this, and their users
> >have learned bad habits as a result. shame on microsoft.
>
> I see that you're as familiar with working on Windows as Mr. Murray
> is. That is, I doubt either of you has ever even seen a computer
> running it.
nope, murray just wrote the facts out as he seems them, and i concur.
you have to remember we live in a more modern technical world than you
do. when we see windows users limping along, we look to reasons why, and
more often than not, "windows" has damaged them, they are less
productive since they come from an old technical world.
it's just funny, someday you'll get a mac and see why we get to smirk
and laugh at people still living in the past.
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> stated in post
> 0001HW.C207CF8D...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net on 2/25/07 9:43 PM:
>
> > On Feb 25, 2007, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> >> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
> >
> > Do you even think to compare my believability factor to yours?
> >
> Show the facts!
Exactly!
<52k4p4F...@mid.individual.net>
--
Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD" -
"I am a bigger liar than Steve" - Snit
"I do not KF people" - Snit
"Not only do I lie about what others are claiming,
I show evidence from the records".-Snit
even IF you have a 9 minute boot time, i still find your claim of machines
crashing every 5 minutes at a business to be unbelievable. no work would
ever get done, and the business would go under.
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C207C2EF...@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
> <snip>
>> Hell, I've seen Windows so-called scream machines collapse under a load
>> far
>> less than that. The office machines can't run Word, PowerPoint, and
>> Outlook
>> all at the same time for more than five minutes without a reboot,
>
> um, yeah, not really that believable, unless you're leaving out a huge part
> of the story (like you're running a 486 machine w/ bad ram that overheats or
> something...)
Agree. I've run Word, PP and Outlook simultaneously on dozens
of systems over the years. The problem is IE. One bogus
website and that'll send you off in the ditch.
--
Lefty
All of God's creatures have a place..........
.........right next to the potatoes and gravy.
See also: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif
You're getting better at it. Isn't it fun?
>On Feb 25, 2007, tom_...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> Tell your IT person to upgrade those old P2 Win 95 machines.
>
>P3 Win 2000.
Install more than 256 mb of ram
Tom Elam
>On Feb 25, 2007, tom_...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> Windows XP has never needed rebooting due to OS or application errors.
>
>Bull.
XP SP2
Tom Elam
>On Feb 25, 2007, tom_...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> Tell your IT person to upgrade those old P2 Win 95 machines.
>
>P3 Win 2000.
So let's be honest here. You are comparing a relatively new PowerBook
running the latest Mac OS with 2 gigs of ram with a P3 running an 8
year old OS and likely much less than 2 gigs of ram.
Is that true?
Tom Elam
I know I didn't... until you created this thread. Don't you think this
kind of 'advocacy' is better left to people like Snit who have already
trashed their reputation?
--
"I do not KF people" - Snit
"Not only do I lie about what others are claiming,
I show evidence from the records".-Snit
Sandman is not a pro because "his site's didn't perfectly validate"-Snit
"Once we see or hear of couples - even a relatively small number - who
engage in legal, consensual,adult incestuous relationships, the whole
idea of incest with minors becomes thinkable." - Snit
512KB
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:16:41 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
><peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
>wisdom:
>
>>In article <nvo4u2pu5ef8io45l...@4ax.com>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:20:01 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
>>> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
>>> wisdom:
>>
>>> >Jealous, Mayor? I bet you are.
>>>
>>> Of a guy telling (another) made up story about how mighty his old Mac
>>> is compared to PCs? Why would I be jealous of that?
>>
>>Because you are one of many Wintrolls who are cheesed off at the fact
>>that Macs are superior to PCs.
Why would I be jealous of your delusion?
>>
>>What reason would I have to lie about my Macs?
Because that's what Maccies do.
> Does the truth about my >mighty Macs bother you that much?
The truth about it doesn't bother me at all. I find your stories about
it both delusional and entertaining.
>>If you were not jealous of Macs, you would post in Windoze groups.
Add Jim Lee, Jr.'s name to the list that have never read this group's
charter.
And the reality is that if Joe hadn't blasted crossposting out of here
into every Windows group years ago I wouldn't be here.
>Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >i think it's funny to watch recent switchers with the bad habit of
>> >"quitting" a program, or even worse is they will "wait" for a program to
>> >stop doing something before "they" do something else. that's ABSURD on
>> >OSX, you can run 10, 20 programs or even more all at the same time and
>> >flip between them with ease. windows chokes on this, and their users
>> >have learned bad habits as a result. shame on microsoft.
>>
>> I see that you're as familiar with working on Windows as Mr. Murray
>> is. That is, I doubt either of you has ever even seen a computer
>> running it.
>
>nope, murray just wrote the facts out as he seems them, and i concur.
Mr. Murray wrote out a bunch of hooey that even most Maccies had a
hard time swallowing. Its not surprise that you slurped them right
down though.
>
>you have to remember we live in a more modern technical world than you
>do.
LOL! Explain how your world is more advanced when it was built by
following around my world and picking up its discards.
> when we see windows users limping along, we look to reasons why, and
>more often than not, "windows" has damaged them, they are less
>productive since they come from an old technical world.
LOL! Now all you have to do is convince 95% of the computer using
world. Good luck with that! 8)
>it's just funny, someday you'll get a mac and see why we get to smirk
>and laugh at people still living in the past.
Sorry. I've used Macs, even ones with Tiger. They're still
backasswards PITAs to use. Now unlike you Maccies I'm putting that
down to my lack of familiarity with the system instead of saying that
means the system is defective. I'm sure I could learn it. Of course
that fact that I actually need to learn it cuts a big hole in a lot of
Maccies' arguments.
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:19:48 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
> <mayor.o...@gmail.com> chose to bless us with the following
> wisdom:
>
> >On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:16:41 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
> ><peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
> >wisdom:
> >
> >>In article <nvo4u2pu5ef8io45l...@4ax.com>,
> >> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:20:01 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
> >>> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
> >>> wisdom:
> >>
> >>> >Jealous, Mayor? I bet you are.
> >>>
> >>> Of a guy telling (another) made up story about how mighty his old Mac
> >>> is compared to PCs? Why would I be jealous of that?
> >>
> >>Because you are one of many Wintrolls who are cheesed off at the fact
> >>that Macs are superior to PCs.
>
> Why would I be jealous of your delusion?
Again, you are jealous over the Mac's superiority. Delusions have
nothing to do with it, because there are none.
> >>What reason would I have to lie about my Macs?
>
> Because that's what Maccies do.
I cannot tell a lie about my Macs.
> > Does the truth about my >mighty Macs bother you that much?
>
> The truth about it doesn't bother me at all. I find your stories about
> it both delusional and entertaining.
> >>If you were not jealous of Macs, you would post in Windoze groups.
>
> Add Jim Lee Jr.'s name to the list that have never read this group's
> charter.
Point me to the charter so I can read it.
> And the reality is that if Joe hadn't blasted crossposting out of here
> into every Windows group years ago I wouldn't be here.
Why are you letting Joe control where you post? You must like being led
around by your balls, huh?
>In article <ejj6u2dtb0rtamuvr...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:19:48 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> <mayor.o...@gmail.com> chose to bless us with the following
>> wisdom:
>>
>> >On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:16:41 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
>> ><peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
>> >wisdom:
>> >
>> >>In article <nvo4u2pu5ef8io45l...@4ax.com>,
>> >> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:20:01 -0600, "Jim Lee Jr."
>> >>> <peejs...@insightbb.com> chose to bless us with the following
>> >>> wisdom:
>> >>
>> >>> >Jealous, Mayor? I bet you are.
>> >>>
>> >>> Of a guy telling (another) made up story about how mighty his old Mac
>> >>> is compared to PCs? Why would I be jealous of that?
>> >>
>> >>Because you are one of many Wintrolls who are cheesed off at the fact
>> >>that Macs are superior to PCs.
>>
>> Why would I be jealous of your delusion?
>
>Again, you are jealous over the Mac's superiority. Delusions have
>nothing to do with it, because there are none.
Until you admit you have a problem you can't be helped.
>> >>What reason would I have to lie about my Macs?
>>
>> Because that's what Maccies do.
>
>I cannot tell a lie about my Macs.
Did you chop down a cherry tree with your Mac? I ask for information
only.
>> > Does the truth about my >mighty Macs bother you that much?
>>
>> The truth about it doesn't bother me at all. I find your stories about
>> it both delusional and entertaining.
>
>
>> >>If you were not jealous of Macs, you would post in Windoze groups.
>>
>> Add Jim Lee Jr.'s name to the list that have never read this group's
>> charter.
>
>Point me to the charter so I can read it.
>> And the reality is that if Joe hadn't blasted crossposting out of here
>> into every Windows group years ago I wouldn't be here.
>
>Why are you letting Joe control where you post? You must like being led
>around by your balls, huh?
You mistakenly assume that I share your deepest desires.
One day you'll realize that fulfilling your destiny includes moving to
San Francisco and singing along with show tunes and you'll feel really
silly about all the time you spent denying the obvious.
The Winboxes in our HS do that routinely, that is freeze, crash or do other
silliness. So much so, the kids have a hard time getting things done. The
librarian has requested more Macs since the one's they have there run and run
with fewer problems and tech support issues.
That said, I suspect a lot of the Wintel hardware is older and could be the
source of the problem, but with the schools taking some 60-70% of the tax
dollars, you'd think things could be better.
[now, before klyde jumps in here, the HS is a different district than the
elementary with different funding, IS folks and so on.]
--
Regards,
Jim
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:49:19 -0500, Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >Today I pushed the old 1.67 GHz, 2 GB RAM PowerBook like a workhorse, and at
> >the end of the day I realized I've never had Windows hold together like
> >that.
> >It was like James T. Kirk calling to Scottie "more power" and Scotty
> >answering "she'll break apart, captain!" but then the power comes anyway.
> >
> >I was running Photoshop, Illustrator, MacPAR, Hogwasher, Acrobat Pro,
> Yet another unbelievable post from Mr. Murray.
You're a fine one to critique Tim, since you don't have a Mac, much less a
current one running OS X nor do you use a Mac, anywhere near a current one
running OS X.
Yet, somehow, you know everything and all, especially here to imply Tim is lying
since you consider his first-person account unbelievable.
--
Regards,
Jim
Jim claims psychic powers.
I know people who own Macs, Jim. I even use them from time to time.
>Yet, somehow, you know everything and all, especially here to imply Tim is lying
>since you consider his first-person account unbelievable.
The parts that make Tim's story unbelievable are the parts where he
tells lies about Windows.
>In article <iUuEh.1967$M65....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
Actually I suspect that the problem is a clueless It staff who lets
the Winows machines sit running with the administrative account.
>
>[now, before klyde jumps in here, the HS is a different district than the
>elementary with different funding, IS folks and so on.]
As if that matters. The district isn't the issue. The fact that
there's zero evidence that computers do anything to improve education
anywhere is.
Well, duh! You are so astute! How can anything get past you? Sheesh, I
really didn't think anyone would be so foolish as to latch on to such an
obvious exaggeration to prove a point as testimony. The follow-on from the
Mayor et al. will be, "well, then how can we believe any of it?" Frankly I
really don't care, as I firmly believe you *do* believe my story, but your
need to aggravate is too great.
if it does what tim says, nobody would EVER get ANYTHING done on them,
nevermind just 'have a hard time getting things done.' which might be
vaguely believable for a piss poor school or some such (not saying the
school in your story is such), but there's no way a BUSINESS would put up
with that.
> The
> librarian has requested more Macs since the one's they have there run and
> run
> with fewer problems and tech support issues.
> That said, I suspect a lot of the Wintel hardware is older and could be
> the
> source of the problem,
you 'suspect'? why can't you tell?
<snip>
ok, so how bad ARE the machines?
>On Feb 26, 2007, ed wrote:
Anything else to confess other than your admittance that your stories
are made up?
Good tactic - stir the pot a little.
Whoops, I meant 512MB
Correction: P4