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unamerican

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:14:04 AM4/30/07
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I dont see much about the mac.

Just flames and abuse.

Sandman

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:16:48 AM4/30/07
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In article <1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont see much about the mac.

This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
forums. It's its purpose.


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Sandman[.net]

Mayor of R'lyeh

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:24:30 AM4/30/07
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:16:48 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

That's why its populated by the lowest of the low of Macciedom. Why
should non-Maccies go to stuffy old conversations about Mac
programming when we can hang out here and watch the performing Maccies
proclaim that they aren't really in cages for everyone to watch, its
the rest of the world that's in the cage. Its hilarious!

--
"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the
very structure of our government."
Al Gore

Bill Clinton became eligible for reinstatement to the
bar on January 19,2006 after losing his law license
in 2001 for comitting perjury.

Mayor of R'lyeh

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:26:37 AM4/30/07
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On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> chose

to bless us with the following wisdom:

>I dont see much about the mac.
>
>Just flames and abuse.

I just came here for an argument!

unamerican

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:29:10 AM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 11:24 am, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:16:48 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <1177928044.663454.316...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

> > unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I dont see much about the mac.
>
> >This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
> >forums. It's its purpose.
>
> That's why its populated by the lowest of the low of Macciedom. Why
> should non-Maccies go to stuffy old conversations about Mac
> programming when we can hang out here and watch the performing Maccies
> proclaim that they aren't really in cages for everyone to watch, its
> the rest of the world that's in the cage. Its hilarious!
>
> --
> "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the
> very structure of our government."
> Al Gore
>
> Bill Clinton became eligible for reinstatement to the
> bar on January 19,2006 after losing his law license
> in 2001 for comitting perjury.

I run osx , windows and linux,

I eat apples, oranges and strawberries.

The world of OS's is pluralist like the real world.


C Lund

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:42:50 AM4/30/07
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> I dont see much about the mac.

> Just flames and abuse.

CSMA is a drainage ditch for the comp.sys.mac.* hierarchy. The
majority of the trolls gravitate to CSMA, leaving the other CSM*
forums in peace.

This is in other words not really a serious debate / advocacy forum.
Think of it as a zoo / freak show where you can point and laugh at the
strange animals.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

C Lund

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:44:12 AM4/30/07
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In article <1177928950.6...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The world of OS's is pluralist like the real world.

Exactly. And that's how it should be. But there are some Windows users
who simply cannot accept that there are people who actually prefer
something other than what they are using, and they come here to
complain about it.

--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund

Jim Lee Jr.

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Apr 30, 2007, 7:33:22 AM4/30/07
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> I dont see much about the mac.
>
> Just flames and abuse.

Par for the course coming from Wintrolls.

--
Posted from my 1999 Apple G4 Sawtooth
A 450 MHz G4 running OS X 10.4.8

Dr. zara

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Apr 30, 2007, 7:49:31 AM4/30/07
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"unamerican" <samma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>I dont see much about the mac.
>
> Just flames and abuse.

I have spent many enjoyable hours here. maccies are the most comical and
entertaining misfits. I love it here.


Dr. zara

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Apr 30, 2007, 7:52:01 AM4/30/07
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"C Lund" <cl...@notam02SPAMBLOCK.no> wrote in message
news:clund-E33E92....@news.get.no...

Do you consider yourself a "strange animal"? Or are you above all the rest?


Jim Lee Jr.

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Apr 30, 2007, 8:16:13 AM4/30/07
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In article <ZDkZh.926$0x4...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"Dr. zara" <Do...@nutbuster.com> wrote:

> "unamerican" <samma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >I dont see much about the mac.
> >
> > Just flames and abuse.
>

> I have spent many enjoyable hours here.Mac userses are the most comical and

> entertaining misfits. I love it here.

Are Windoze groups that boring to you?

New Bee

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Apr 30, 2007, 8:43:07 AM4/30/07
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unamerican wrote:
> I dont see much about the mac.
>
> Just flames and abuse.

It seems that way to me too.

Jim

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Apr 30, 2007, 9:52:43 AM4/30/07
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In article <v2hb3392s9ue8umif...@4ax.com>,

Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> chose
> to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >I dont see much about the mac.
> >
> >Just flames and abuse.
>
> I just came here for an argument!


That you come here, just for an argument, is more than telling.

Jim

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Apr 30, 2007, 9:56:06 AM4/30/07
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In article <3ogb33h8kso8aktl0...@4ax.com>,

Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:16:48 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I dont see much about the mac.
> >
> >This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
> >forums. It's its purpose.
>
> That's why its populated by the lowest of the low of Macciedom. Why
> should non-Maccies go to stuffy old conversations about Mac
> programming when we can hang out here and watch the performing Maccies
> proclaim that they aren't really in cages for everyone to watch, its
> the rest of the world that's in the cage. Its hilarious!

low of Macciedom = Winnuts who go out of their way to come here and
argue, spread lies, FUD and mistruths, as representatives of their
beloved platfrom, Windows.

If you go look, while there are a couple of Mac folks who post in
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, there's nowhere near the number as there
are WinNuts who come here so I think that addresses the imbalance that
is inherent in the class of Windows users who come here while not owning
a Mac of any recent vintage running the current OS, Tiger 10.4.9.

Edwin

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Apr 30, 2007, 10:36:47 AM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 5:14 am, unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I dont see much about the mac.
>
> Just flames and abuse.

The Maccies are in a losing battle. They have nothing but insults to
answer with. Their only goal is to sabotage any serious discussion
because they know it can never go their way.

allen goforth

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Apr 30, 2007, 10:43:48 AM4/30/07
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Me too, but I only have sex with women. My plurality only goes so
far. All joking aside you are 100 % right.

Sandman

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Apr 30, 2007, 11:49:47 AM4/30/07
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In article <1177943807.8...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

Edwin! You're back! Hope you feel better now! Sorry to break you
before. :)


--
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Edwin

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Apr 30, 2007, 11:54:55 AM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 10:49 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <1177943807.881573.244...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 5:14 am, unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I dont see much about the mac.
>
> > > Just flames and abuse.
>
> > The Maccies are in a losing battle. They have nothing but insults to
> > answer with. Their only goal is to sabotage any serious discussion
> > because they know it can never go their way.
>
> Edwin! You're back! Hope you feel better now! Sorry to break you
> before. :)

See what I mean?

Sandman

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Apr 30, 2007, 11:56:55 AM4/30/07
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In article <1177948495.4...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

> > Edwin! You're back! Hope you feel better now! Sorry to break you
> > before. :)
>
> See what I mean?

Yeah, it must have been rough on you. Good to see you back in good
shape. :-D


--
Sandman[.net]

Edwin

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Apr 30, 2007, 12:03:53 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 10:56 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <1177948495.425768.156...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:

Clatter on, Loopy. :-D

Sandman

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Apr 30, 2007, 12:16:56 PM4/30/07
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In article <1177949033....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Snit Jr. <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D

I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D


--
Sandman[.net]

Edwin

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Apr 30, 2007, 12:23:58 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 11:16 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,

Snit

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Apr 30, 2007, 12:30:29 PM4/30/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-8BB2E6.18...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:

Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.


--
€ Different viruses are still different even if in the same "family"
€ Dreamweaver and GoLive are professional web development applications
€ Dreamweaver, being the #1 pro web design tool, is used by many pros


Jesus

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Apr 30, 2007, 2:46:43 PM4/30/07
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What is this, trying to bring logical thought into CSMA? Come
now. :-)

(BTW, me too!)

Jesus

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:01:01 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
>
> > In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,

> > Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
>
> > I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
>
> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.
>
> --
> € Different viruses are still different even if in the same "family"
> € Dreamweaver and GoLive are professional web development applications
> € Dreamweaver, being the #1 pro web design tool, is used by many pros

I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?

Snit

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:17:20 PM4/30/07
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"Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
1177959661.9...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:

> On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
>>
>>> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
>>
>>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
>>
>> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
>> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.

> I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?

His use of "Snit Jr." is clearly yet more of his baiting.

Mayor of R'lyeh

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:21:34 PM4/30/07
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:56:06 -0500, Jim <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote:

>In article <3ogb33h8kso8aktl0...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:16:48 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
>> bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I dont see much about the mac.
>> >
>> >This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
>> >forums. It's its purpose.
>>
>> That's why its populated by the lowest of the low of Macciedom. Why
>> should non-Maccies go to stuffy old conversations about Mac
>> programming when we can hang out here and watch the performing Maccies
>> proclaim that they aren't really in cages for everyone to watch, its
>> the rest of the world that's in the cage. Its hilarious!
>
>low of Macciedom = Winnuts who go out of their way to come here and
>argue, spread lies, FUD and mistruths, as representatives of their
>beloved platfrom, Windows.

1) By definition any kind of 'Winnut' would not be any part of
Macciedom so you're wrong there.
2) Those of us who aren't Macies don't come here to 'represent'
Windows. 'Representing' an Os is pretty muchan exclusive Maccie
concept. We come here to mock, tease and slap you Maccies about your
religious fervor over a mass produced consumer good. Its quite a bit
of fun.

>
>If you go look, while there are a couple of Mac folks who post in
>comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,

Don't know; don't care.

> there's nowhere near the number as there
>are WinNuts who come here so I think that addresses the imbalance that
>is inherent in the class of Windows users who come here while not owning
>a Mac of any recent vintage running the current OS, Tiger 10.4.9.


Windows groups aren't any fun because Windows users don't worship
their machines and OS like Maccies do theirs. And that is the
difference that you refuse to see.

--

Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008

Mayor of R'lyeh

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:23:19 PM4/30/07
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That 'Whoosh!' you heard was the sound of the joke flying over your
pointed, humorless head.

Jesus

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:53:52 PM4/30/07
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On Apr 30, 3:17 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1177959661.930435.187...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:

Whoops... missed that in the quote.

Snit

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Apr 30, 2007, 3:56:28 PM4/30/07
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"Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
1177962832.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:53 PM:

> On Apr 30, 3:17 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail.com> stated in post
>> 1177959661.930435.187...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>>>> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
>>
>>>>> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
>>
>>>>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
>>
>>>> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
>>>> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.
>>> I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?
>>
>> His use of "Snit Jr." is clearly yet more of his baiting.
>

> Whoops... missed that in the quote.

No problem. He uses that baiting technique... much as Carroll and Adams use
their .sig - though at least with Adams' .sig he does not outright lie as
Carroll does.

The three of them beg for my attention and then when I give it to them they
whine that I am not talking about Macs and helping people with tech problems
and the like... but if I do not give them the attention they beg for they
insist I am "running". Heck, look up how many times Carroll whines about
his crickets chirping when I do not give him attention.


--
€ The tilde in an OS X path does *not* mean "the hard drive only"
€ Things which are not the same are not "identical"
€ The word "ouch" is not a sure sign of agreement.

Dr. zara

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Apr 30, 2007, 4:01:45 PM4/30/07
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"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kegc33h6jionubd2n...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:52:43 -0500, Jim <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <v2hb3392s9ue8umif...@4ax.com>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> chose
>>> to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>>
>>> >I dont see much about the mac.
>>> >
>>> >Just flames and abuse.
>>>
>>> I just came here for an argument!
>>
>>
>>That you come here, just for an argument, is more than telling.
>
> That 'Whoosh!' you heard was the sound of the joke flying over your
> pointed, humorless head.

When will you realize that you can't communicate with an Alky? He is
incapable of reason.


Steve Carroll

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Apr 30, 2007, 5:51:09 PM4/30/07
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In article <C25B97FC.7EE67%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1177962832.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:53 PM:
>
> > On Apr 30, 3:17 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail.com> stated in post
> >> 1177959661.930435.187...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> >>>> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
> >>
> >>>>> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>> Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
> >>
> >>>>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
> >>
> >>>> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
> >>>> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.
> >>> I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?
> >>
> >> His use of "Snit Jr." is clearly yet more of his baiting.
> >
> > Whoops... missed that in the quote.
>
> No problem. He uses that baiting technique... much as Carroll and Adams use
> their .sig - though at least with Adams' .sig he does not outright lie as
> Carroll does.

Correction... there are no lies in my sig.

--
"None of you can be honest... you are all pathetic." - Snit
"I do not KF people" - Snit
"Not only do I lie about what others are claiming,
I show evidence from the records".-Snit
"You should take one of my IT classes some day." - Snit

Jim

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:13:10 PM4/30/07
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In article <55gc33105sd167uhv...@4ax.com>,

Since all you use is Windows, by default you represent that OS user and
it is the use of Windows on which your biased, FUD-based comments are
based. After that comes your eventual trip into the land of the lying
you do so well, with your posts.


>
> >
> >If you go look, while there are a couple of Mac folks who post in
> >comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,
>
> Don't know; don't care.

yeah, you're so goofed up you don't know where your own sandbox is
located.

>
> > there's nowhere near the number as there
> >are WinNuts who come here so I think that addresses the imbalance that
> >is inherent in the class of Windows users who come here while not owning
> >a Mac of any recent vintage running the current OS, Tiger 10.4.9.
>
>
> Windows groups aren't any fun because Windows users don't worship
> their machines and OS like Maccies do theirs. And that is the
> difference that you refuse to see.

WinNuts worship the Redmond deity as much or more, you defend it so
hotly and go to the lengths to lie about other users to defend that
along with any other argument you have here.

Mitch

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Apr 30, 2007, 9:32:58 PM4/30/07
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> I dont see much about the mac.
>

> Just flames and abuse.
>

There is actually a decent amount of platform and Mac discussion; it's
just that there are also many trolls and jackasses here.

Once you apply filters to those, you'll find plenty of on-topic and
related-topic messages. I promise.

Nashton

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Apr 30, 2007, 9:51:10 PM4/30/07
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:13:10 -0500, Jim <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote:

:In article <55gc33105sd167uhv...@4ax.com>,

As if you treat Mac users that happen to like Windows with an inkling
of objectivity.


:>
:> >
:> >If you go look, while there are a couple of Mac folks who post in

:> >comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,
:>
:> Don't know; don't care.
:
:yeah, you're so goofed up you don't know where your own sandbox is
:located.
:
:>
:> > there's nowhere near the number as there
:> >are WinNuts who come here so I think that addresses the imbalance
that
:> >is inherent in the class of Windows users who come here while not
owning
:> >a Mac of any recent vintage running the current OS, Tiger 10.4.9.
:>
:>
:> Windows groups aren't any fun because Windows users don't worship
:> their machines and OS like Maccies do theirs. And that is the
:> difference that you refuse to see.
:
:WinNuts worship the Redmond deity as much or more, you defend it so
:hotly and go to the lengths to lie about other users to defend that
:along with any other argument you have here.


That's all in your sick head, Jim.

--

Nicolas

Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 4:44:54 AM5/1/07
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In article <C25B67B5.7EE1E%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-8BB2E6.18...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
>
> > In article <1177949033....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> > Snit Jr. <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
> >
> > I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
>
> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
> again.

Eh?


--
Sandman[.net]

Dr. zara

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May 1, 2007, 7:36:05 AM5/1/07
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"Jim" <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote in message
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I love it here - another drunken rant by JP.


Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 8:25:00 AM5/1/07
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In article <jpolaski-232182...@netnews.comcast.net>,
Jim <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote:

> In article <3ogb33h8kso8aktl0...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:16:48 +0200, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> chose to
> > bless us with the following wisdom:
> >
> > >In article <1177928044.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I dont see much about the mac.
> > >
> > >This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
> > >forums. It's its purpose.
> >
> > That's why its populated by the lowest of the low of Macciedom. Why
> > should non-Maccies go to stuffy old conversations about Mac
> > programming when we can hang out here and watch the performing Maccies
> > proclaim that they aren't really in cages for everyone to watch, its
> > the rest of the world that's in the cage. Its hilarious!

Haha, is Clyde still trying to cut in on grown up talk? Man, that guy
never learns. He just can't get it through his head that I have him
killfiled. :-D

> low of Macciedom = Winnuts who go out of their way to come here and
> argue, spread lies, FUD and mistruths, as representatives of their
> beloved platfrom, Windows.
>
> If you go look, while there are a couple of Mac folks who post in
> comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, there's nowhere near the number as there
> are WinNuts who come here so I think that addresses the imbalance that
> is inherent in the class of Windows users who come here while not owning
> a Mac of any recent vintage running the current OS, Tiger 10.4.9.


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Sandman

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In article <C25B8ED0.7EE52%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1177959661.9...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:
>
> > On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> >> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
> >>
> >>> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
> >>
> >>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
> >>
> >> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
> >> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.
>
> > I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?
>
> His use of "Snit Jr." is clearly yet more of his baiting.

Haha!

These are your "baitings" from the last three weeks. These are the
times you have mentioned my nick in posts not directed at me. Fully
substantiated, as usual from me. 82 times, Michael! Eighty-two times!
In just three weeks. For reference, I have mentioned "Snit" or
"Michael" only 14 times in the same time frame in posts not directed
at you.

Did you want to say something more about "baiting"?

2007-04-11
- 00. <C24275B8.7CEFC%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
2007-04-14
- 01. <C245D51A.7D32C%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 02. <C245B0B0.7D2FC%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
2007-04-15
- 03. <C247E332.7D5E9%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
2007-04-16
- 04. <C2492F7A.7D805%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 05. <C2492F38.7D803%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 06. <C24901C1.7D7B1%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 07. <C248FF49.7D7AB%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 08. <C248F7C2.7D794%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 09. <C248F55A.7D789%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 10. <C2485C60.7D71C%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 11. <C2481702.7D68B%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
- 12. <C247F94A.7D636%SN...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
2007-04-17
- 13. <C24A39D6.7D9C0%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 14. <C24A32D8.7D9A3%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 15. <C24A2F4F.7D994%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 16. <C249CC9E.7D944%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-18
- 17. <C24AE850.7DB15%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 18. <C24AE7DB.7DB14%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 19. <C24AE622.7DB10%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 20. <C24AB2D7.7DAC6%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-20
- 21. <C24E7A0B.7DF81%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 22. <C24E74B2.7DF63%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 23. <C24E6FDC.7DF45%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 24. <C24E57EF.7DF20%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 25. <C24E557B.7DF15%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 26. <C24E45C6.7DEF2%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 27. <C24E3A6A.7DEE4%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 28. <C24D4F8F.7DDCF%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-21
- 29. <C24F0890.7E16D%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 30. <C24EF51F.7E12A%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 31. <C24EC938.7E0F6%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 32. <C24EA1E9.7E04E%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 33. <C24E9046.7DFD5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-22
- 34. <C2511462.7E394%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 35. <C2510BDF.7E37D%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 36. <C250C646.7E2E8%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 37. <C250C4DF.7E2E3%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 38. <C25015FF.7E27A%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 39. <C25015A6.7E279%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-23
- 40. <C2524927.7E4B6%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 41. <C25187B6.7E416%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-24
- 42. <C253C39B.7E683%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 43. <C253C276.7E67F%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 44. <C2538C76.7E63F%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 45. <C2538AAC.7E639%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 46. <C25386B5.7E631%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 47. <C2537FAD.7E623%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 48. <C2537F65.7E621%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 49. <C2536F89.7E600%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-25
- 50. <C2541B26.7E6E2%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-26
- 51. <C2566676.7E8B3%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 52. <C25658CB.7E89E%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 53. <C2562D5D.7E86B%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 54. <C25622E3.7E859%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 55. <C256229F.7E858%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 56. <C255A53B.7E816%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 57. <C2554B5F.7E7B4%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-27
- 58. <C2579B1D.7EA62%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 59. <C2577AED.7EA23%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 60. <C25779E0.7EA21%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 61. <C25774C5.7EA14%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 62. <C2577366.7EA08%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 63. <C2576ED1.7E9F9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 64. <C256F36B.7E9B3%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 65. <C2569D67.7E91A%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 66. <C2568CA1.7E904%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 67. <C25684B8.7E8F9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-28
- 68. <C258FC52.7EC1F%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 69. <C258CD82.7EC05%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 70. <C258364B.7EB81%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 71. <C258130E.7EB63%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 72. <C257EBB9.7EB2F%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 73. <C257D95A.7EAF2%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 74. <C257D08A.7EADE%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 75. <C257D029.7EADB%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 76. <C257C135.7EABD%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 77. <C257C0B6.7EABC%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-29
- 78. <C25A6226.7ED29%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 79. <C25A0106.7ECA9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 80. <C2596A11.7EC72%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
2007-04-30
- 81. <C25B9C4D.7EE78%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>
- 82. <C25A7406.7ED3E%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>


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Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 8:42:30 AM5/1/07
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> > Whoops... missed that in the quote.
>
> No problem. He uses that baiting technique... much as Carroll and Adams use
> their .sig - though at least with Adams' .sig he does not outright lie as
> Carroll does.
>
> The three of them beg for my attention

Ok, so me using your nick in a post not directed at you is "begging
for your attention", right? Ok, so I've obviously done that 14 times
in the last three weeks. Damn, that's some serious begging, wouldn't
you say?

But wait. In the same time period - you have used my nick no less than
82 times in the same manner! Oooops! You have some serious attention
seeking problems there, Snit.

Ironic is just the foreword to this.


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tom_...@earthlink.net

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May 1, 2007, 10:31:29 AM5/1/07
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On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <samma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I dont see much about the mac.
>

>Just flames and abuse.

comp.sys.mac.abuse are us!

Tom Elam

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 10:59:40 AM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-2EFFDB.10...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 1:44 AM:

Why are you baiting me yet again, Sandman? Your use of "Snit Jr." is
clearly a bait.


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€ A personal computer without an OS is crippled by that lacking
€ Web image alt-text shouldn't generally be "space", "left" or "right"


nospamatall

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May 1, 2007, 11:03:37 AM5/1/07
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No, you can act dumb, argue with stones, slag off MS, even a bit of mac
advocacy, if you're up to it.

Andy

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 11:03:41 AM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-7C201E.14...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 5:40 AM:

> In article <C25B8ED0.7EE52%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
>> 1177959661.9...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com on 4/30/07 12:01 PM:
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>>>> mr-8BB2E6.18165630042...@News.Individual.NET on 4/30/07 9:16 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <1177949033.721812.90...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Snit Jr. <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
>>>>
>>>>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
>>>> again. If you are sincere, Sandman, you will stop.
>>
>>> I'm confused. How is making fun of Edwin "baiting" you?
>>
>> His use of "Snit Jr." is clearly yet more of his baiting.
>
> Haha!

Below you whine about my behavior. In other words you change the topic.
Come on, Sandman - please stick to the topic.

Heck, you do not even talk about "baiting" below, though you dishonestly
claim to, you merely note times you have been mentioned.

Come on, Sandman... stick to the topic: why are you clearly trying to bait
me when just yesterday you apologized after doing so? Was your apology
sincere? If so, please just *stop*.

>
> These are your "baitings" from the last three weeks. These are the
> times you have mentioned my nick in posts not directed at me. Fully
> substantiated, as usual from me. 82 times, Michael! Eighty-two times!
> In just three weeks. For reference, I have mentioned "Snit" or
> "Michael" only 14 times in the same time frame in posts not directed
> at you.
>
> Did you want to say something more about "baiting"?

<snip big, useless, list>

Yes: please stop trying to bait me. Show that your word has some meaning.
Stop running when you are confronted... stop changing the topic to merely
being mentioning of names.

Please, Sandman, show you are at least trying to live up to your agreement
to be honest and honorable.


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€ A person's actions speak more about him than what others say
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Snit

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May 1, 2007, 11:05:41 AM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-E2D1E1.14...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 5:42 AM:

> In article <C25B97FC.7EE67%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> Whoops... missed that in the quote.
>>
>> No problem. He uses that baiting technique... much as Carroll and Adams use
>> their .sig - though at least with Adams' .sig he does not outright lie as
>> Carroll does.
>>
>> The three of them beg for my attention
>
> Ok, so me using your nick in a post not directed at you is "begging
> for your attention", right?

Not necessarily. It depends on how it is used. Again, Sandman, your
"analysis" of a situation is amazingly shallow.

> Ok, so I've obviously done that 14 times in the last three weeks. Damn, that's
> some serious begging, wouldn't you say?

I would not say you are right about your shallow analysis... nor your
whining, below:


>
> But wait. In the same time period - you have used my nick no less than 82
> times in the same manner! Oooops! You have some serious attention seeking
> problems there, Snit.
>
> Ironic is just the foreword to this.

Again, your analysis is amazingly shallow... and an obfuscation from any
real issue. Hence why you will not let it go.


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€ There are two general types of PCs: Macs and PCs (odd naming conventions!)
€ Mac OS X 10.x.x is a version of Mac OS


Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 11:10:48 AM5/1/07
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In article <C25CA3EC.7EF44%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>>> Clatter on, Loopy. :-D
> >>>
> >>> I don't imagine I'll ever grow tired of making fun of you :-D
> >>
> >> Yesterday you apologized for your "baiting" of me. Now you are doing it
> >> again.
> >
> > Eh?
>
> Why are you baiting me yet again, Sandman? Your use of "Snit Jr." is
> clearly a bait.

82 times, Snit. 82 times, in three weeks. You were saying?


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Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 11:12:51 AM5/1/07
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In article <C25CA555.7EF47%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > Ok, so me using your nick in a post not directed at you is "begging
> > for your attention", right?
>
> Not necessarily. It depends on how it is used.

So, me calling Edwin "Snit Jr" is somehow beggin you for attention,
but you throwing around insults is not?


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Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 11:14:31 AM5/1/07
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In article <C25CA4DD.7EF46%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > These are your "baitings" from the last three weeks. These are the
> > times you have mentioned my nick in posts not directed at me. Fully
> > substantiated, as usual from me. 82 times, Michael! Eighty-two times!
> > In just three weeks. For reference, I have mentioned "Snit" or
> > "Michael" only 14 times in the same time frame in posts not directed
> > at you.
> >
> > Did you want to say something more about "baiting"?
>

> Yes: please stop trying to bait me

82 times have you tried to bait me, Snit. Stop, please.

Snit talks about me in posts not directed at me:

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 11:18:31 AM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-47E46C.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:10 AM:

Again, part of what you snipped:

Below you whine about my behavior. In other words you
change the topic. Come on, Sandman - please stick to the
topic.

Heck, you do not even talk about "baiting" below, though you
dishonestly claim to, you merely note times you have been
mentioned.

Come on, Sandman... stick to the topic: why are you clearly
trying to bait me when just yesterday you apologized after
doing so? Was your apology sincere? If so, please just
*stop*.

Come on, Sandman, at least try to hold up your end of a conversation.

Simple question:

Was your apology sincere?

Your lack of willingness to answer the question, Sandman, clearly shows your
answer.


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€ Similarly configured Macs and Win machines tend to cost roughly the same
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Snit

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May 1, 2007, 11:22:24 AM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-9C2D55.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:12 AM:

What makes you think that? As I noted, and you snipped:

Not necessarily. It depends on how it is used. Again,
Sandman, your "analysis" of a situation is amazingly shallow.

Merely mentioning someone's name need not be "baiting"... and when that was
pointed out you altered your claim and insinuated that every mention of your
name is an insult.

You recently apologized for your silly baiting. If you were sincere, I
noted, you would be stopping, and yet you continue. I asked a simple
question:

Were you sincere in your apology?

You have made it clear you were not. That, really, was all I was looking to
find out - if you were sincere or not. You refused to answer directly, but
your actions have made it clear... you only apologized because someone else
called you on your BS. You will not actually live up to what you would do
if your apology was sincere.

Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 11:31:13 AM5/1/07
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In article <C25CA940.7EF69%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>> Ok, so me using your nick in a post not directed at you is "begging
> >>> for your attention", right?
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. It depends on how it is used.
> >
> > So, me calling Edwin "Snit Jr" is somehow beggin you for attention,
> > but you throwing around insults is not?
>
> What makes you think that?

Your implication on how it is used. Or are you agreeing that you have
begged for my attention 82 times in the last three weeks?


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Edwin

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May 1, 2007, 11:49:36 AM5/1/07
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On Apr 30, 2:23 pm, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:52:43 -0500, Jim <jpola...@NOync.net> wrote:
> >In article <v2hb3392s9ue8umif4m8l48ts4bbset...@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> chose

> >> to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >> >I dont see much about the mac.
>
> >> >Just flames and abuse.
>
> >> I just came here for an argument!
>
> >That you come here, just for an argument, is more than telling.
>
> That 'Whoosh!' you heard was the sound of the joke flying over your
> pointed, humorless head.

Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for
"creatives" its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding
dullards?

Sandman

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May 1, 2007, 11:57:46 AM5/1/07
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In article <1178034576.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

> Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for
> "creatives" its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding
> dullards?

It would, if anyone but the wintrolls agreed with that statement :)

It's two camps, they trash talk each other. Somehow this is news to
some. :)


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Snit

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May 1, 2007, 12:04:19 PM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-3BEF7A.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:57 AM:

Well, the two "camps" also trash talk members of their own group... look at
how often you belittle me and I am, clearly, one of the better Mac advocates
in CSMA - helping people on both sides to learn skills.

Jim

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May 1, 2007, 12:09:39 PM5/1/07
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In article <4CFZh.3470$F11....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Dr. zara" <Do...@nutbuster.com> wrote:

You're too blinking stupid to even know what a rant is, ZERO. You're
nothing.

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 12:39:35 PM5/1/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post

> In article <C25CA555.7EF47%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,

What makes you think that? As I noted, and you snipped:

Not necessarily. It depends on how it is used. Again,


Sandman, your "analysis" of a situation is amazingly shallow.

Merely mentioning someone's name need not be "baiting"... and when that was

Dr. zara

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May 1, 2007, 12:55:44 PM5/1/07
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"Jim" <jpol...@NOync.net> wrote in message
news:jpolaski-9ED09E...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...

Glug, glug, glug.


Steve Carroll

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May 1, 2007, 2:55:21 PM5/1/07
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In article <mr-9C2D55.17...@News.Individual.NET>,
Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

That's how it works when you're a hypocrite like Snit.

--
"None of you can be honest... you are all pathetic." - Snit
"I do not KF people" - Snit
"Not only do I lie about what others are claiming,
I show evidence from the records".-Snit
"You should take one of my IT classes some day." - Snit

Steve Carroll

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May 1, 2007, 2:57:54 PM5/1/07
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In article <C25CB313.7EF7C%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-3BEF7A.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:57 AM:
>
> > In article <1178034576.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for
> >> "creatives" its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding
> >> dullards?
> >
> > It would, if anyone but the wintrolls agreed with that statement :)
> >
> > It's two camps, they trash talk each other. Somehow this is news to
> > some. :)
>
> Well, the two "camps" also trash talk members of their own group... look at
> how often you belittle me and I am, clearly, one of the better Mac advocates
> in CSMA - helping people on both sides to learn skills.

Yeah... sure, Snit. I tried to help you stay focused on Mac advocacy yesterday
when Clyde was doing his usual thing... but you got all confused and focused on
Clyde's bullshit so you could attack me for calling him on his crap. You're a
hypocritical idiot.

Mayor of R'lyeh

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:57:54 -0600, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net>

chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <C25CB313.7EF7C%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,


> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>> mr-3BEF7A.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:57 AM:
>>
>> > In article <1178034576.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for
>> >> "creatives" its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding
>> >> dullards?
>> >
>> > It would, if anyone but the wintrolls agreed with that statement :)
>> >
>> > It's two camps, they trash talk each other. Somehow this is news to
>> > some. :)
>>
>> Well, the two "camps" also trash talk members of their own group... look at
>> how often you belittle me and I am, clearly, one of the better Mac advocates
>> in CSMA - helping people on both sides to learn skills.
>
>Yeah... sure, Snit. I tried to help you stay focused on Mac advocacy yesterday
>when Clyde was doing his usual thing... but you got all confused and focused on
>Clyde's bullshit so you could attack me for calling him on his crap. You're a
>hypocritical idiot.

So to answer the OP's question - it is when Steve Carroll is posting.


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May 1, 2007, 3:02:53 PM5/1/07
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In article <tk3f33prkcot41h65...@4ax.com>,

Quit whining because your sarcastic, off topic smokescreen didn't work.

Mayor of R'lyeh

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 13:02:53 -0600, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net>

You misspelled 'Adult conversations lacking in animosity piss me off.'

Snit

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"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
tk3f33prkcot41h65...@4ax.com on 5/1/07 12:01 PM:

> On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:57:54 -0600, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>> In article <C25CB313.7EF7C%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
>>> mr-3BEF7A.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/1/07 8:57 AM:
>>>
>>>> In article <1178034576.8...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for "creatives"
>>>>> its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding dullards?
>>>>>
>>>> It would, if anyone but the wintrolls agreed with that statement :)
>>>>
>>>> It's two camps, they trash talk each other. Somehow this is news to some.
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>> Well, the two "camps" also trash talk members of their own group... look at
>>> how often you belittle me and I am, clearly, one of the better Mac advocates
>>> in CSMA - helping people on both sides to learn skills.
>>>
>> Yeah... sure, Snit. I tried to help you stay focused on Mac advocacy
>> yesterday when Clyde was doing his usual thing... but you got all confused
>> and focused on Clyde's bullshit so you could attack me for calling him on his
>> crap. You're a hypocritical idiot.
>>
> So to answer the OP's question - it is when Steve Carroll is posting.
>

Maybe Steve is sincere in what he was trying - but his try was based on his
ignorance and inability to understand what he reads... and compounded by his
intense hatred that he displays in every post but dishonest denies.

Steve has some major issues... even if you accept he is sincere in what he
claimed.


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May 1, 2007, 5:37:10 PM5/1/07
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In article <C25CFA2E.7EFE7%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

Wrong. For a rare change you had an actual advocacy point to which Clyde tossed
out an off topic, sarcastic barb that sought to let the steam out of your
argument. When George asked an obvious and relevant question, the guy who was
busy moving the goalpost away from the actual topic (Clyde) accused George of
moving goalposts. If anyone here didn't understand things it was you.

Jesus

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On May 1, 11:14 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <C25CA4DD.7EF46%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>,

>
> Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > > These are your "baitings" from the last three weeks. These are the
> > > times you have mentioned my nick in posts not directed at me. Fully
> > > substantiated, as usual from me. 82 times, Michael! Eighty-two times!
> > > In just three weeks. For reference, I have mentioned "Snit" or
> > > "Michael" only 14 times in the same time frame in posts not directed
> > > at you.
>
> > > Did you want to say something more about "baiting"?
>
> > Yes: please stop trying to bait me
>
> 82 times have you tried to bait me, Snit. Stop, please.
>
> Snit talks about me in posts not directed at me:
>
> 2007-04-11
> - 00. <C24275B8.7CEFC%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> 2007-04-14
> - 01. <C245D51A.7D32C%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 02. <C245B0B0.7D2FC%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> 2007-04-15
> - 03. <C247E332.7D5E9%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> 2007-04-16
> - 04. <C2492F7A.7D805%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 05. <C2492F38.7D803%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 06. <C24901C1.7D7B1%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 07. <C248FF49.7D7AB%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 08. <C248F7C2.7D794%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 09. <C248F55A.7D789%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 10. <C2485C60.7D71C%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 11. <C2481702.7D68B%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> - 12. <C247F94A.7D636%S...@CABLEONE.NET.lNVALID>
> 2007-04-17
> - 13. <C24A39D6.7D9C0%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 14. <C24A32D8.7D9A3%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 15. <C24A2F4F.7D994%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 16. <C249CC9E.7D944%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-18
> - 17. <C24AE850.7DB15%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 18. <C24AE7DB.7DB14%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 19. <C24AE622.7DB10%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 20. <C24AB2D7.7DAC6%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-20
> - 21. <C24E7A0B.7DF81%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 22. <C24E74B2.7DF63%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 23. <C24E6FDC.7DF45%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 24. <C24E57EF.7DF20%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 25. <C24E557B.7DF15%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 26. <C24E45C6.7DEF2%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 27. <C24E3A6A.7DEE4%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 28. <C24D4F8F.7DDCF%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-21
> - 29. <C24F0890.7E16D%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 30. <C24EF51F.7E12A%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 31. <C24EC938.7E0F6%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 32. <C24EA1E9.7E04E%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 33. <C24E9046.7DFD5%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-22
> - 34. <C2511462.7E394%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 35. <C2510BDF.7E37D%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 36. <C250C646.7E2E8%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 37. <C250C4DF.7E2E3%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 38. <C25015FF.7E27A%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 39. <C25015A6.7E279%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-23
> - 40. <C2524927.7E4B6%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 41. <C25187B6.7E416%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-24
> - 42. <C253C39B.7E683%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 43. <C253C276.7E67F%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 44. <C2538C76.7E63F%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 45. <C2538AAC.7E639%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 46. <C25386B5.7E631%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 47. <C2537FAD.7E623%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 48. <C2537F65.7E621%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 49. <C2536F89.7E600%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-25
> - 50. <C2541B26.7E6E2%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-26
> - 51. <C2566676.7E8B3%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 52. <C25658CB.7E89E%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 53. <C2562D5D.7E86B%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 54. <C25622E3.7E859%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 55. <C256229F.7E858%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 56. <C255A53B.7E816%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 57. <C2554B5F.7E7B4%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-27
> - 58. <C2579B1D.7EA62%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 59. <C2577AED.7EA23%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 60. <C25779E0.7EA21%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 61. <C25774C5.7EA14%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 62. <C2577366.7EA08%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 63. <C2576ED1.7E9F9%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 64. <C256F36B.7E9B3%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 65. <C2569D67.7E91A%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 66. <C2568CA1.7E904%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 67. <C25684B8.7E8F9%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-28
> - 68. <C258FC52.7EC1F%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 69. <C258CD82.7EC05%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 70. <C258364B.7EB81%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 71. <C258130E.7EB63%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 72. <C257EBB9.7EB2F%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 73. <C257D95A.7EAF2%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 74. <C257D08A.7EADE%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 75. <C257D029.7EADB%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 76. <C257C135.7EABD%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 77. <C257C0B6.7EABC%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-29
> - 78. <C25A6226.7ED29%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 79. <C25A0106.7ECA9%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 80. <C2596A11.7EC72%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> 2007-04-30
> - 81. <C25B9C4D.7EE78%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> - 82. <C25A7406.7ED3E%C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>
> --
> Sandman[.net]

Isn't it 83 since the list starts at 0? :-P

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 8:16:38 PM5/1/07
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"Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
1178062581.9...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com on 5/1/07 4:36 PM:

It is irrelevant - Sandman apologized for his baiting of me... I noted that
if he was sincere he would stop... Sandman quickly showed he was not sincere
by trying to bait me again. Instead of admitting to his actions Sandman
tried to alter the topic to my *mentioning* him, a topic that is completely
irrelevant.

Sandman has made it clear he was not sincere in his apology for his actions.
He apologized because someone other than me called him on his BS, not
because he really means to stop baiting me, trolling me, and lying about me.


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€ Things which are not the same are not "identical"
€ The word "ouch" is not a sure sign of agreement.

Jesus

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May 1, 2007, 8:55:00 PM5/1/07
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On May 1, 8:16 pm, Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail.com> stated in post
> 1178062581.944838.323...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com on 5/1/07 4:36 PM:

I made no comment about the content of those messages, Snit... I was
just questioning Sandman's counting.

Mayor of R'lyeh

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:52:43 -0500, Jim <jpol...@NOync.net> chose to

bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <v2hb3392s9ue8umif...@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <samma...@gmail.com> chose


>> to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>

>> >I dont see much about the mac.
>> >

>> >Just flames and abuse.
>>
>> I just came here for an argument!
>
>
>That you come here, just for an argument, is more than telling.

Because you just come here to spread love, joy and happiness, right?

Mayor of R'lyeh

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On 1 May 2007 08:49:36 -0700, Edwin <thor...@juno.com> chose to bless

us with the following wisdom:

>On Apr 30, 2:23 pm, Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:52:43 -0500, Jim <jpola...@NOync.net> wrote:
>> >In article <v2hb3392s9ue8umif4m8l48ts4bbset...@4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On 30 Apr 2007 03:14:04 -0700, unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> chose
>> >> to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >> >I dont see much about the mac.
>>
>> >> >Just flames and abuse.
>>
>> >> I just came here for an argument!
>>
>> >That you come here, just for an argument, is more than telling.
>>
>> That 'Whoosh!' you heard was the sound of the joke flying over your
>> pointed, humorless head.
>
>Isn't ironic that while the Mac is touted as the computer for
>"creatives" its most vocal supporters in this group are plodding
>dullards?

You've got to admit that you could never think of as many ways to
express dullardhood as they have! 8)

Mayor of R'lyeh

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 15:37:10 -0600, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net>

Does it piss you off that it's possible to have a rational, adult
conversation with Snit but not you....Wait! What am I saying! Of
course it does! Everything pisses you off!

Snit

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May 1, 2007, 11:49:03 PM5/1/07
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"Jesus" <rustybu...@gmail.com> stated in post
1178067300.0...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com on 5/1/07 5:55 PM:

> I made no comment about the content of those messages, Snit... I was
> just questioning Sandman's counting.
>

Fair enough - but I am also noting that regardless of the count, his very
premise is flawed. I just want the BS to stop and to have Sandman stop
spewing such baiting into CSMA. He counts my commenting on that desire in
the same category as his baiting... something that is clearly dishonest of
him to do.


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€ A person's actions speak more about him than what others say
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Snit

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"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
ddrf33ps2ds80ci85...@4ax.com on 5/1/07 6:48 PM:

>>>> So to answer the OP's question - it is when Steve Carroll is posting.
>>>>
>>> Maybe Steve is sincere in what he was trying - but his try was based on his
>>> ignorance and inability to understand what he reads...
>>
>> Wrong. For a rare change you had an actual advocacy point to which Clyde
>> tossed out an off topic, sarcastic barb that sought to let the steam out of
>> your argument. When George asked an obvious and relevant question, the guy
>> who was busy moving the goalpost away from the actual topic (Clyde) accused
>> George of moving goalposts. If anyone here didn't understand things it was
>> you.
>
> Does it piss you off that it's possible to have a rational, adult
> conversation with Snit but not you....Wait! What am I saying! Of
> course it does! Everything pisses you off!

And yet Steve denies he is filled with hatred. Amazing. He cannot even be
honest about that!


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May 2, 2007, 5:52:25 AM5/2/07
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In article <1178062581.9...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Jesus <rustybu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't it 83 since the list starts at 0? :-P

Yeah. Oops. :)


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Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 5:53:22 AM5/2/07
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In article <C25D2676.7F047%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> It is irrelevant - Sandman apologized for his baiting of me... I noted that
> if he was sincere he would stop... Sandman quickly showed he was not sincere
> by trying to bait me again. Instead of admitting to his actions Sandman
> tried to alter the topic to my *mentioning* him, a topic that is completely
> irrelevant.

In what way was I "baiting" you then, if not by mentioning your nick?


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Sandman[.net]

Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 5:54:11 AM5/2/07
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In article <C25D583F.7F0AE%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> I just want the BS to stop

Me too, will you agree to it under the below circumstances?

Code of Honesty:

1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is
bothering you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially
in a forum like this.  

2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
   generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.

3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
   counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
   problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
   problems as they arise.

4) Agree to let the past go...

Dishonesty examples:
- Creative snipping
- Deliberate misinterpretation
- Diversion
- Having an agenda
- Lying
- Role Reversal
- Insults
- Forging posts and material
- Thread hijacking
- Projection
- Unsubstantiated accusations
- Antagonizing through other media
- Antagonizing threads
- Ignoring evidence
- Obfuscation

It should be clear that this agreement is valid for all posts made by
the signers, not merely those between the signers. Agreeing to this
displays ones commitment to "end the BS" (as worded by one possible
signer) and end ongoing and past disputes to embrace common
understanding, patience and tolerance.

After signing, the signers should refrain from entering discussions
that are, and opt-out of discussion that are becoming, offensive or
destructive, regardless of who is the instigator. This unless the
signer feels confident that he or she can continue participation
without engaging in the elevated level of argumentation.

A good example of opting-out would be:

"I respect your opinion, but I am not interested in arguing this
matter in the way you seem to be proposing, so I will
respectfully withdraw from the discussion. Thank you for
understanding"

But the signers can choose wording at their discretion, of course.

--
Sandman[.net]

Steve Carroll

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May 2, 2007, 10:10:57 AM5/2/07
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In article <ddrf33ps2ds80ci85...@4ax.com>,

It won't work, Clyde. Trying to shift the spotlight onto me won't change the
fact that you avoided a point in favor of the Mac with your off topic sarcasm
and projecting of goalpost moving onto George. None of those actions define a
"rational, adult conversation" by any rational adult... which is why you are
found defining them as such.

> Wait! What am I saying! Of
> course it does! Everything pisses you off!

Next you'll be talking about how I "hate" you... anything to shift the focus
away from your own actions.

Steve Carroll

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May 2, 2007, 10:12:59 AM5/2/07
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In article <C25D59B1.7F0B5%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> stated in post
> ddrf33ps2ds80ci85...@4ax.com on 5/1/07 6:48 PM:
>
> >>>> So to answer the OP's question - it is when Steve Carroll is posting.
> >>>>
> >>> Maybe Steve is sincere in what he was trying - but his try was based on
> >>> his
> >>> ignorance and inability to understand what he reads...
> >>
> >> Wrong. For a rare change you had an actual advocacy point to which Clyde
> >> tossed out an off topic, sarcastic barb that sought to let the steam out
> >> of
> >> your argument. When George asked an obvious and relevant question, the guy
> >> who was busy moving the goalpost away from the actual topic (Clyde)
> >> accused
> >> George of moving goalposts. If anyone here didn't understand things it was
> >> you.
> >
> > Does it piss you off that it's possible to have a rational, adult
> > conversation with Snit but not you....Wait! What am I saying! Of
> > course it does! Everything pisses you off!
>
> And yet Steve denies he is filled with hatred. Amazing. He cannot even be
> honest about that!

Pointing out Clyde's BS (or yours) doesn't involve hatred. You should be able to
spot what Clyde is doing here as you do it often enough yourself.

Steve Carroll

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May 2, 2007, 10:16:30 AM5/2/07
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In article <1178067300.0...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Jesus <rustybu...@gmail.com> wrote:

You no longer have need to think, feel or believe things for yourself... Snit
will take care of all that for you;)

Steve Carroll

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May 2, 2007, 10:18:27 AM5/2/07
to

Fair enough? What was fair about you attempting to be his spokesperson, the very
thing you keep complaining about? Can you spell hypocrite? You really should
learn...

(irrelevant crap snipped)

Snit

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May 2, 2007, 11:10:30 AM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-F1EEDA.11...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 2:53 AM:

I am not going to engage you in a game where you pretend to be ignorant of
your baiting. When you refer to people in derogatory ways as "Snit Jr." it
is clear you are trying to pull me into your BS circus with your baiting.

It is also clear you were anything but sincere when you apologized for your
baiting - you have no intention of stopping.

Steve Carroll

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May 2, 2007, 11:25:52 AM5/2/07
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In article <C25DF7F6.7F175%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-F1EEDA.11...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 2:53 AM:
>
> > In article <C25D2676.7F047%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> > Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is irrelevant - Sandman apologized for his baiting of me... I noted
> >> that
> >> if he was sincere he would stop... Sandman quickly showed he was not
> >> sincere
> >> by trying to bait me again. Instead of admitting to his actions Sandman
> >> tried to alter the topic to my *mentioning* him, a topic that is
> >> completely
> >> irrelevant.
> >
> > In what way was I "baiting" you then, if not by mentioning your nick?
>
> I am not going to engage you in a game where you pretend to be ignorant of
> your baiting. When you refer to people in derogatory ways as "Snit Jr." it
> is clear you are trying to pull me into your BS circus with your baiting.
>
> It is also clear you were anything but sincere when you apologized for your
> baiting - you have no intention of stopping.

This is what google shows Sandman wrote:

"Sure. I will. I don't usually do, and I was actually not baiting him,
but really thanking him".

And he followed with this (perhaps it is what confused you):

"I see how it could be taken as a bait and I apologize to both Snit and you".

Sandman obviously apologized for the fact that you (and ed) took what he wrote
as a baiting exercise and not an expression of his gratitude (based on you not
trolling him much after your lie about him using sock puppets). If any baiting
was done... it was by you, with your lie about unsubstantiated sock puppet use.

Edwin

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May 2, 2007, 11:42:29 AM5/2/07
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On Apr 30, 5:16 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <1177928044.663454.316...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

>
> unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I dont see much about the mac.
>
> This group is designed to draw the trolls away from the serious mac
> forums. It's its purpose.

It keeps you out of the serious Mac forums. Gotcha.

Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 11:54:08 AM5/2/07
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> > In what way was I "baiting" you then, if not by mentioning your nick?
>
> I am not going to engage you in a game where you pretend to be ignorant of
> your baiting. When you refer to people in derogatory ways as "Snit Jr." it
> is clear you are trying to pull me into your BS circus with your baiting.

And it is by doing it in some other way than by mentioning your nick?

> It is also clear you were anything but sincere when you apologized for your
> baiting - you have no intention of stopping.

If you are in reference to my "thank you" post, then I apologized if
you took it as "baiting", since it wasn't, but I understood how it
could be interpreted as such. My apology had no implication that I
wouldn't "bait" you, if "baiting" you is me mentioning your nick in
posts not directed at you.

You have yet to say what part of my "bait" wasn't connected to me
using your nick in a post not directed at you. You seem to want to say
that me calling Edwin "Snit Jr." is baiting you, as well as me
thanking you. The only thing those two posts have in common is that
they contain your nick.


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Snit

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May 2, 2007, 12:44:32 PM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-25C20F.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 8:54 AM:

Sandman, please stop denying your clear and incessant baiting. Nobody is
stupid enough to believe even you do not understand your silly actions.


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Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 12:54:35 PM5/2/07
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In article <1178120548.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:

Hehe :)


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Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 12:55:13 PM5/2/07
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In article <C25E0E00.7F1A7%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> Sandman, please stop denying your clear and incessant baiting.

And yet to be defined baiting, by the way :)


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Snit

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May 2, 2007, 1:01:41 PM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-E3A29B.18...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 9:55 AM:

Do you really want to argue that you are so amazingly ignorant of your own
actions that you cannot figure out when you are begging for my attention? A
request: just try to explain why you call people "Snit Jr."... see if you
can do so without referencing your silly baiting and trolling.

I would love to see your explanation... but I bet you just snip and run.


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Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 1:12:50 PM5/2/07
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In article <C25E1205.7F1B8%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >> Sandman, please stop denying your clear and incessant baiting.
> >
> > And yet to be defined baiting, by the way :)
>
> Do you really want to argue that you are so amazingly ignorant of your own
> actions that you cannot figure out when you are begging for my attention?

I suppose I have to, since I am unaware of this "baiting" of mine that
does not mean that I merely mentioned your nick.

> A request: just try to explain why you call people "Snit Jr."... see
> if you can do so without referencing your silly baiting and
> trolling.

I called Edwin "Snit Jr" since he used your debating technique. How is
that "baiting" you? You have yet to answer that question.

Maybe you would feel better if we agreed that we should "end the BS"?
I am willing to sign the below agreement with you, are you?

Snit

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May 2, 2007, 1:33:21 PM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-5CD7DF.19...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 10:12 AM:

> In article <C25E1205.7F1B8%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Sandman, please stop denying your clear and incessant baiting.
>>>
>>> And yet to be defined baiting, by the way :)
>>
>> Do you really want to argue that you are so amazingly ignorant of your own
>> actions that you cannot figure out when you are begging for my attention?
>
> I suppose I have to, since I am unaware of this "baiting" of mine that
> does not mean that I merely mentioned your nick.
>
>> A request: just try to explain why you call people "Snit Jr."... see
>> if you can do so without referencing your silly baiting and
>> trolling.
>
> I called Edwin "Snit Jr" since he used your debating technique. How is
> that "baiting" you? You have yet to answer that question.

And what do you think that "debating technique" is. I look forward to your
explanation of that one! I bet you sink to your normal accusations... but
let's see!



> Maybe you would feel better if we agreed that we should "end the BS"?

I have already asked you to. You have, so far, not been willing.

I recognize your opinion, but I am not interested in arguing this matter in
the way you seem to be proposing, so I will respectfully withdraw from this
part of the discussion. Thank you for understanding.


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Steve Carroll

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> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-E3A29B.18...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 9:55 AM:
>
> > In article <C25E0E00.7F1A7%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> > Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sandman, please stop denying your clear and incessant baiting.
> >
> > And yet to be defined baiting, by the way :)
> >
> Do you really want to argue that you are so amazingly ignorant of your own
> actions that you cannot figure out when you are begging for my attention? A
> request: just try to explain why you call people "Snit Jr."...

Simple... it's an obvious point of reference that everyone in csma can
understand.

Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 2:34:22 PM5/2/07
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In article <C25E1971.7F1C9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > I called Edwin "Snit Jr" since he used your debating technique. How is
> > that "baiting" you? You have yet to answer that question.
>
> And what do you think that "debating technique" is.

In fear of this discussion leading to a place I don't want to
participate in, I respectfully decline to elaborate on that, and I
hope you understand that this is a manifestation of my desire to "end
the BS".

> > Maybe you would feel better if we agreed that we should "end the BS"?
>
> I have already asked you to. You have, so far, not been willing.

In spite of me asking you repeatedly to agree to the below?


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Snit

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May 2, 2007, 2:40:41 PM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-EEB8FE.20...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 11:34 AM:

> In article <C25E1971.7F1C9%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> I called Edwin "Snit Jr" since he used your debating technique. How is
>>> that "baiting" you? You have yet to answer that question.
>>
>> And what do you think that "debating technique" is.
>
> In fear of this discussion leading to a place I don't want to
> participate in, I respectfully decline to elaborate on that, and I
> hope you understand that this is a manifestation of my desire to "end
> the BS".

You claim to want to end the BS by not talking about your baiting... but you
will not end the actual baiting. That is absurd.



>>> Maybe you would feel better if we agreed that we should "end the BS"?
>>
>> I have already asked you to. You have, so far, not been willing.
>
> In spite of me asking you repeatedly to agree to the below?
>
> I am willing to sign the below agreement with you, are you?

I have already agreed to - and am - honest and honorable. You have claimed
you will be and I hope you live up to that agreement.

Sandman

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May 2, 2007, 2:47:25 PM5/2/07
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In article <C25E2939.7F1E2%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > In fear of this discussion leading to a place I don't want to
> > participate in, I respectfully decline to elaborate on that, and I
> > hope you understand that this is a manifestation of my desire to "end
> > the BS".
>
> You claim to want to end the BS by not talking about your baiting... but you
> will not end the actual baiting. That is absurd.

I can not end something you think I am doing without knowing what to
end since you have yet to define what it is that I am doing that you
call "baiting" that I am currently doing.

> >>> Maybe you would feel better if we agreed that we should "end the BS"?
> >>
> >> I have already asked you to. You have, so far, not been willing.
> >
> > In spite of me asking you repeatedly to agree to the below?
> >
> > I am willing to sign the below agreement with you, are you?
>
> I have already agreed to - and am - honest and honorable.

Are you now claiming that you are agreeing to the below - yes or no?

Snit

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May 2, 2007, 2:56:58 PM5/2/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-9AAC0E.20...@News.Individual.NET on 5/2/07 11:47 AM:

> In article <C25E2939.7F1E2%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> In fear of this discussion leading to a place I don't want to
>>> participate in, I respectfully decline to elaborate on that, and I
>>> hope you understand that this is a manifestation of my desire to "end
>>> the BS".
>>
>> You claim to want to end the BS by not talking about your baiting... but you
>> will not end the actual baiting. That is absurd.
>
> I can not end something you think I am doing without knowing what to
> end since you have yet to define what it is that I am doing that you
> call "baiting" that I am currently doing.

Gee, Sandman, for some reason you will not elaborate on what you mean by
calling people "Snit Jr.", and yet you are willing to deny it is the baiting
it clearly is. Your running from any request to define what you think you
could mean other than a clear baiting has been noted... even you do not
believe your BS.

In other words, Sandman, I am called you on your BS and you folded.

Will you please end playing such stupid baiting games?

da newb

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May 2, 2007, 8:52:34 PM5/2/07
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On Apr 30, 6:14 am, unamerican <sammac1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I dont see much about the mac.
>
> Just flames and abuse.

It would be interesting to do some kind of study about how people
behave in these forums and compare it to other forms of communication.
Nice Person + Audience + Anonymity = Total asshole (in most cases)

Sandman

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May 3, 2007, 3:49:00 AM5/3/07
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In article <C25E2D0A.7F1E6%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>> I can not end something you think I am doing without knowing what
>> to end since you have yet to define what it is that I am doing that
>> you call "baiting" that I am currently doing.
>
> Gee, Sandman, for some reason you will not elaborate on what you
> mean by calling people "Snit Jr.",

Not for "some" reason. For the reason specified.

> and yet you are willing to deny it is the baiting it clearly is.

I have come to realise that you think it is "baiting", but you have
failed to tell me in what way it is baiting that isn't merely me
mentioning your nick. I can't deny something I'm not even aware of
exists since you haven't even defined what "it" is.

> Your running from any request to define what you think you could
> mean other than a clear baiting has been noted... even you do not
> believe your BS.

Obviously I don't agree with your description of it being a "clear
baiting" since I've repeatedly asked you for a definition of this
"baiting". Why are you unable to provide such a definition?

> In other words, Sandman, I am called you on your BS and you folded.
>
> Will you please end playing such stupid baiting games?

Will you please join me in an agreement to end the BS?


Code of Honesty:

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Snit

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May 3, 2007, 10:51:37 AM5/3/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-72862B.09...@News.Individual.NET on 5/3/07 12:49 AM:

Read the post you responded to for a full reply.


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Sandman

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May 3, 2007, 11:43:14 AM5/3/07
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In article <C25F4509.7F30F%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

That post does not contain a response to the questions I ask in my
follow-up to it.

I have asked you to define what I am doing that you call "baiting".
You have replied that I must be stupid if I don't know. Fine, then I
suppose I'm stupid. But you refuse to provide the definition in spite
of me explicitly asking for it. Why?

I have also asked you repeatedly to join me in, what you call, "ending
the BS". I have put forth an agreement that I am willing to sign for
the sake of "ending the BS". You have refused to sign it and call my
plea for peace "trolling" for some reason. How it can be trolling is
beyond me and you have refused to explain how it is.


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Snit

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May 3, 2007, 12:18:27 PM5/3/07
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"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-E2BA6C.17...@News.Individual.NET on 5/3/07 8:43 AM:

I recognize your opinion, but I am not interested in arguing this matter in
the way you seem to be proposing, so I will respectfully withdraw from this
part of the discussion. Thank you for understanding.

I am, however, interested in the fact that although you apologized for your
baiting of me you continued to do so, then tried to deny your baiting was
baiting, then refused to say what else your baiting could be, then demanded
that I tell you why your baiting was baiting as if you did not know... you
are not being honest. You claim to have agreed to be honest and honorable,
Sandman, but you refuse to act in a way that is in accordance with that
agreement.

Please stop trolling me.


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Sandman

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May 3, 2007, 12:25:50 PM5/3/07
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In article <C25F5963.7F31E%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > That post does not contain a response to the questions I ask in my
> > follow-up to it.
> >
> > I have asked you to define what I am doing that you call "baiting".
> > You have replied that I must be stupid if I don't know. Fine, then I
> > suppose I'm stupid. But you refuse to provide the definition in spite
> > of me explicitly asking for it. Why?
> >
> > I have also asked you repeatedly to join me in, what you call, "ending
> > the BS". I have put forth an agreement that I am willing to sign for
> > the sake of "ending the BS". You have refused to sign it and call my
> > plea for peace "trolling" for some reason. How it can be trolling is
> > beyond me and you have refused to explain how it is.
>
> I recognize your opinion, but I am not interested in arguing this matter in
> the way you seem to be proposing, so I will respectfully withdraw from this
> part of the discussion. Thank you for understanding.
>
> I am, however, interested in the fact that although you apologized for your
> baiting of me you continued to do so

Do what, specifically? I am willing to apologize for what you took as
"baiting" as soon as you can specify what it was.

> then tried to deny your baiting was
> baiting

Rather, denying that I knew about it being "baiting" by your
definition, since that definition hasn't been revealed.

> then refused to say what else your baiting could be, then demanded
> that I tell you why your baiting was baiting as if you did not know...

Exactly. I am asking you that just as if I didn't know, which of
course is due to the fact that I don't know.

> you are not being honest.

Am I not honest? Where have I been dishonest regarding this "baiting"
issue?

> You claim to have agreed to be honest and honorable,

Actually, I calim to be willing to sign the agreement with you. You
have refused to sign it with me. I have no idea why you would refuse
to sign something that would "end the BS".

> Sandman, but you refuse to act in a way that is in accordance with that
> agreement.

I have lived by my proposal since I put it forward.

> Please stop trolling me.

I really want to accomodate your request, but you won't let me know
just what I am doing that is "trolling" to you.

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