> No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> How odd!
> Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
Same reason they don't use x86 hardware, Macs are high end consumer/low-to-midrange workstation machines. SGI and Sun hardware of the type they are most probably using is decidedly high end.
We _might_ see a swing towards Macs if the GPUL lives up to expectations however.
James Boswell <jamesbosw...@btopenworld.com> writes: > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac? > Same reason they don't use x86 hardware, Macs are high end > consumer/low-to-midrange workstation machines. [...]
Actually, I've seen a few articles about x86 hardware (with Linux) at Pixar. A quick google yields:
"It is now clear that Mac OS X will not be replacing IRIX for Pixar's future workstations anytime soon. The Linux workstation market for highend 3D has made similar beachheads at Dreamworks too. What is important to realize however is that one of Linux's great strengths is its remarkable scalability (IBM has it running on mainframes with dozens and dozens of processors and yet we see Sony is shipping Linux for the PlayStation 2 game machine)."
That was written 30 Jan 2002 ... perhaps they've changed their plan since then?
you of course, might have lower standards and think of a machine with a pair of Xeons in it as "A high end workstation".. but you'd be wrong ;)
>> Macs are high end >> consumer/low-to-midrange workstation machines. > IOW, too expensive to be a consumer machine, and too underpowered to > be a workstation.
IOW, too expensive to be a cheapass-emachines-buying-consumer machine, and not equipped with specific features that are kinda vital for high end rendering (videocard that keeps12-bits per channel in the framebuffer and outputs to the monitor(s) at 10-bits per channel, only AGP videocard that springs to mind that gets anywhere near that is the Matrox Parhelia.. though some of the (very) expensive 3dlabs gear might also be capable.)
>> SGI and Sun hardware of the type they are most probably using is >> decidedly high end. > Steve Jobs can't find any use for Mac at his own compamy, Pixar?
How do we know they AREN'T using Macs for everything but the 3d modelling/scene layout/rendering ? (If there were hard evidence that they were using Windows boxes for things there I'd be incredibly amused.)
Edwin wrote: > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > movie...
> Hmm...
> Final render... Sun Microsystems
> Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> Networking... Cisco...
> No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> How odd!
> Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> Edwin
Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore were not used.
"WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > Edwin wrote: > > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it > > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > > movie...
> > Hmm...
> > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > Networking... Cisco...
> > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > How odd!
> > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > Edwin
> Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore were > not used.
Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was not used either?
> you of course, might have lower standards and think of a machine with a pair > of Xeons in it as "A high end workstation".. but you'd be wrong ;)
No I wouldn't. I judge a workstation by what's in it, not your way, by the price Apple charges for it.
> >> Macs are high end > >> consumer/low-to-midrange workstation machines. > > IOW, too expensive to be a consumer machine, and too underpowered to > > be a workstation.
> IOW, too expensive to be a cheapass-emachines-buying-consumer machine,
eMachines is the only inexpensive PC you know about? You need to get out more.
>and not > equipped with specific features that are kinda vital for high end rendering > (videocard that keeps12-bits per channel in the framebuffer and outputs to the > monitor(s) at 10-bits per channel, only AGP videocard that springs to mind > that gets anywhere near that is the Matrox Parhelia.. though some of the > (very) expensive 3dlabs gear might also be capable.)
PCs equiped that way are cheaper than Macs.
> >> SGI and Sun hardware of the type they are most probably using is > >> decidedly high end. > > Steve Jobs can't find any use for Mac at his own compamy, Pixar?
> How do we know they AREN'T using Macs for everything but the 3d > modelling/scene layout/rendering ?
How do you know they're not using PCs for that? John Jensen posted proof they ARE using PCs for that.
Why do you suppose Steve Jobs kept mention of the Macs out of the movie credits if Pixar is using them?
> (If there were hard evidence that they were using Windows boxes for things > there I'd be incredibly amused.)
> In article <%Z0l9.353$mm2.13...@newsfeed.avtel.net>, > "WinMan" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > Edwin wrote: > > > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it > > > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > > > movie...
> > > Hmm...
> > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > How odd!
> > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > Edwin
> > Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore were > > not used.
> Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was > not used either?
Is Steve Jobs the head of Microsoft or the head of Apple Computer, Inc?
> > > Edwin wrote: > > > > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it > > > > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > > > > movie...
> > > > Hmm...
> > > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > > How odd!
> > > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > > Edwin
> > > Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore were > > > not used.
> > Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was > > not used either?
> Is Steve Jobs the head of Microsoft or the head of Apple Computer, Inc?
"Edwin" <z...@aiur.org> wrote: > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it to > look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the movie...
> Hmm...
> Final render... Sun Microsystems
> Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> Networking... Cisco...
> No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> How odd!
> Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> Edwin
Having been to the old Pixar building (the new one is too far away) I can tell you that they do use Macs. Macs are all over the building, sitting on most people's desks. Individual frame clean-up is done using Photoshop on Macs, BTW. But the high-end animation programs that they use didn't run on Macs at the time that 'Monster's Inc' was made, but I was told that even this was going to change (Maya was one of them, but they use something else a lot too, something I've never heard of and don't remember the name of).
-- George Graves
"Outside of a dog, a book is probably a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, its too dark to read."
PowerMacs OTOH start at £1148 + VAT, the 1Ghz DP model is £1701 + VAT
> How do you know they're not using PCs for that? John Jensen posted > proof they ARE using PCs for that.
link to google groups archive of the post please? (my news server sucks quite majorly)
> Why do you suppose Steve Jobs kept mention of the Macs out of the > movie credits if Pixar is using them?
Because Macs weren't DIRECTLY involved in the making of the movie? Do other companies list the equipment used by the art department to make the DVD case cover?
> Having been to the old Pixar building (the new one is too far away) I > can tell you that they do use Macs. Macs are all over the building, > sitting on most people's desks. Individual frame clean-up is done > using Photoshop on Macs, BTW. But the high-end animation programs > that they use didn't run on Macs at the time that 'Monster's Inc' was > made, but I was told that even this was going to change (Maya was one > of them, but they use something else a lot too, something I've never > heard of and don't remember the name of).
> > > > Edwin wrote: > > > > > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > > > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use > it > > > > > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make > the > > > > > movie...
> > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > > > How odd!
> > > > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > > > Edwin
> > > > Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore were > > > > not used.
> > > Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was > > > not used either?
> > Is Steve Jobs the head of Microsoft or the head of Apple Computer, Inc?
> Irrelevent. Answer the question.
It's "irrelevant" that Steve Jobs doesn't use Macs at Pixar?
> In article <an1prf$aef1...@ID-56786.news.dfncis.de>, > "Edwin" <z...@aiur.org> wrote:
> > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it to > > look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the movie...
> > Hmm...
> > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > Networking... Cisco...
> > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > How odd!
> > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > Edwin
> Having been to the old Pixar building (the new one is too far away) I > can tell you that they do use Macs.
Yet the Mac is not mentioned in the movie credits.
> Macs are all over the building, > sitting on most people's desks. Individual frame clean-up is done using > Photoshop on Macs, BTW. But the high-end animation programs that they > use didn't run on Macs at the time that 'Monster's Inc' was made, but I > was told that even this was going to change (Maya was one of them, but > they use something else a lot too, something I've never heard of and > don't remember the name of).
Neither Photoshop nor Maya are mentioned in the movie credits.
> > > > > Edwin wrote: > > > > > > I watched Monsters, Inc. on DVD last night.
> > > > > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use > > it > > > > > > to look in the film credits for which computers were used to make > > the > > > > > > movie...
> > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > > > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > > > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > > > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > > > > How odd!
> > > > > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > > > > Edwin
> > > > > Macs are incapable of doing work in an efficient manner therefore > were > > > > > not used.
> > > > Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was > > > > not used either?
> > > Is Steve Jobs the head of Microsoft or the head of Apple Computer, Inc?
> > Irrelevent. Answer the question.
> It's "irrelevant" that Steve Jobs doesn't use Macs at Pixar?
"> > > > Can that arguement be extended to Windows since of course Windows was
> > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause... let's use it to > > > look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > movie...
> > > Hmm...
> > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > How odd!
> > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > Edwin
> > Having been to the old Pixar building (the new one is too far away) I > > can tell you that they do use Macs.
> Yet the Mac is not mentioned in the movie credits.
Which of course doesn't address that your *assumption* that since they're not mentioned they weren't being used.
> > Macs are all over the building, > > sitting on most people's desks. Individual frame clean-up is done using > > Photoshop on Macs, BTW. But the high-end animation programs that they > > use didn't run on Macs at the time that 'Monster's Inc' was made, but I > > was told that even this was going to change (Maya was one of them, but > > they use something else a lot too, something I've never heard of and > > don't remember the name of).
> Neither Photoshop nor Maya are mentioned in the movie credits.
> > Gee, it don't look anything like a Mac, does it?
> Doesn't look anything like an x86 machine running Windows either..
Does Steve Jobs produce x86 machines at Apple?
> > No I wouldn't. I judge a workstation by what's in it, not your way, > > by the price Apple charges for it.
> just drop the "Making fun of Mac advocates" shit Edwin, you aren't very good > at it. > (hint, I have three machines in the house, none of them are Macs)
> > eMachines is the only inexpensive PC you know about? You need to > > get out more.
> eMachines are not "inexpensive" they're "cheap", there is a difference, it's > subtle but it's there.
Your PC experience is limited, however you slice it.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:02:41 +0000 (UTC), "James Boswell" <jamesbosw...@btopenworld.com> wrote: >>> eMachines are not "inexpensive" they're "cheap", there is a >>> difference, it's subtle but it's there.
>> Your PC experience is limited, however you slice it.
>My PC experience is limited ?
>I'm sitting at an AthlonXP, to my left is a Pentium 3, downstairs is another >Pentium 3...
>NEXT
>-JB
You just don't understand. You disagree with the wild assed assertions Edwin is spewing, therefor there must be something wrong with you.
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> > > DVDs are great. They have clear, flicker free pause.. let's use it to > > > look in the film credits for which computers were used to make the > movie...
> > > Hmm...
> > > Final render... Sun Microsystems
> > > Workstations... Silicon Graphics..
> > > Networking... Cisco...
> > > No mention of the Mac anywhere in the credits...
> > > How odd!
> > > Why doesn't Steve Jobs' own company (Pixar) like to use the Mac?
> > > Edwin
> > Having been to the old Pixar building (the new one is too far away) I > > can tell you that they do use Macs.
> Yet the Mac is not mentioned in the movie credits.
> > Macs are all over the building, > > sitting on most people's desks. Individual frame clean-up is done using > > Photoshop on Macs, BTW. But the high-end animation programs that they > > use didn't run on Macs at the time that 'Monster's Inc' was made, but I > > was told that even this was going to change (Maya was one of them, but > > they use something else a lot too, something I've never heard of and > > don't remember the name of).
> Neither Photoshop nor Maya are mentioned in the movie credits.
> Alias/Wavefront and Marionette are mentioned.
> Edwin
FFR - Alias/Wavefront = Maya
I have a full featured demo for OSX on my tower. Nice program, WAY too deep for me.
